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Other Sports (Tiger's Back) / Re: ksu ladycats
« on: March 29, 2025, 07:59:01 PM »
Maybe call any foul at all (e.g. being arm hooked on a D-board) committed against Yoki on both ends?
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Kansas State Football / Re: Wild Wildcats in NFL Draft
« on: March 27, 2025, 04:04:43 PM »
I know these rankings are always all over the map but this one surprised me regarding Giddens:
https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-draft-ranking-rb-prospects-no-1-to-31
https://www.nfl.com/news/2025-nfl-draft-ranking-rb-prospects-no-1-to-31
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process
« on: March 25, 2025, 04:53:01 PM »
These are the words Hossam Shabat, a Palestinian journalist, wrote knowing he would one day be killed by the IDF:
If you’re reading this, it means I have been killed — most likely targeted — by the Israeli occupation forces. When this all began, I was only 21 years old — a college student with dreams like anyone else. For the past 18 months, I have dedicated every moment of my life to my people. I documented the horrors in northern Gaza minute by minute, determined to show the world the truth they tried to bury. I slept on pavements, in schools, in tents — anywhere I could. Each day was a battle for survival. I endured hunger for months, yet I never left my people’s side. By God, I fulfilled my duty as a journalist. I risked everything to report the truth, and now, I am finally at rest — something I haven’t known in the past 18 months. I did all this because I believe in the Palestinian cause. I believe this land is ours, and it has been the highest honor of my life to die defending it and serving its people. I ask you now: do not stop speaking about Gaza. Do not let the world look away. Keep fighting, keep telling our stories — until Palestine is free.” — For the last time, Hossam Shabat, from northern Gaza.
He was killed on 3/24/2025
If you’re reading this, it means I have been killed — most likely targeted — by the Israeli occupation forces. When this all began, I was only 21 years old — a college student with dreams like anyone else. For the past 18 months, I have dedicated every moment of my life to my people. I documented the horrors in northern Gaza minute by minute, determined to show the world the truth they tried to bury. I slept on pavements, in schools, in tents — anywhere I could. Each day was a battle for survival. I endured hunger for months, yet I never left my people’s side. By God, I fulfilled my duty as a journalist. I risked everything to report the truth, and now, I am finally at rest — something I haven’t known in the past 18 months. I did all this because I believe in the Palestinian cause. I believe this land is ours, and it has been the highest honor of my life to die defending it and serving its people. I ask you now: do not stop speaking about Gaza. Do not let the world look away. Keep fighting, keep telling our stories — until Palestine is free.” — For the last time, Hossam Shabat, from northern Gaza.
He was killed on 3/24/2025
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The Trump Presidency
« on: March 24, 2025, 04:15:18 PM »Damn. Administration’s faith advisor bringing TBN level of grift to the White House:
https://x.com/RightWingWatch/status/1904177146936832225
I think her husband used to play keys for Journey? Now he's tickling the ivories for faith hero Paula White. So blessed!
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Kansas State Football / Re: RIP Greg Sharpe
« on: February 20, 2025, 05:04:58 PM »Tribute to Greg Sharpe:
https://mereorthodoxy.com/in-memoriam-greg-sharpe
Thanks for linking this. Sometimes people have no idea who they've influenced in positive ways.
". . . he may have been a better listener. He didn’t preach, he didn’t try to fix them. He showed up, he listened, and made a huge impact."
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process
« on: February 18, 2025, 04:26:08 PM »
Regarding the distinction between war and genocide:
"Genocide and war are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they often coexist. Moreover, the 1948 United Nations Genocide Convention designates genocide a crime 'whether committed in time of peace or in time of war'” (United Nations, 1948).
We must not let war camouflage genocide.
Regarding the Holocaust as the exemplar for genocide:
"The prevailing assumption that the Holocaust is the example of genocide still blinds many observers to the fact that genocide occured outside of Europe prior to the twentieth century and continues to occur across the globe through a variety of means."
"Genocide and war are not mutually exclusive. Indeed, they often coexist. Moreover, the 1948 United Nations Genocide Convention designates genocide a crime 'whether committed in time of peace or in time of war'” (United Nations, 1948).
We must not let war camouflage genocide.
Regarding the Holocaust as the exemplar for genocide:
"The prevailing assumption that the Holocaust is the example of genocide still blinds many observers to the fact that genocide occured outside of Europe prior to the twentieth century and continues to occur across the globe through a variety of means."
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process
« on: February 18, 2025, 07:23:46 AM »
This is the accepted and ratified definition (criteria) used to identify genocide (the term coined by Rafael Lemkin):
DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE IN THE CONVENTION:
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group; (c)
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The land and historical connection to a geographical region is woven into the cultural identity of some people groups (e.g. indigenous populations in North America, etc.). Forced displacement can easily fit b or c (and potentially d depending on how children may be assimilated into another people group). Much of what follows is written specfically with North American Indigenous populations in mind but I believe, historically, most Middle Eastern populations share many of the characteristics.
'Moreover such nonhuman actors are also potential participants in a group’s identity formation and therefore, in some cases, inseparable from the group itself. For example, the role of story in many Indigenous cultures is to connect identity to territory in a manner that makes any assault on the territory, or the stories that sustain the Indigenous group’s connection to territory, an assault upon the group itself" (Cruickshank, 1998).
Duncan Campbell Scott, in 1920 proclaimed, “Our objective is . . . to get rid of the Indian problem” (Titley, 1986). It's not a reach to recognize this same sentiment regarding Israel-Hamas "our objective is . . . to get rid of the Palestinian problem."
Similarly, Richard Henry Pratt (superintendent of an "Indian" School) said “kill the Indian in him, and save the man.” Again, this can easily be seen in the implied "kill the Palestinian in him, and save the man." This is social engineering at it's finest! As Bauman (1989) said "Modern genocide is an element of social engineering."
It's forced displacement and assimilation (ethnocide). The U.S. and Canada have our own histories with this and I see threads of this in how, politically at least, the horrors in Gaza are depicted and how the "solutions" are being crafted.
"Interestingly issues of territorial occupation and conquest were present in the very first formulation of genocide as provided by Raphael Lemkin." He "wrote that genocide involves “two phases”: first, the destruction of the targeted group’s “national pattern” and second, “the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor” on the territory of the former. This oft-quoted passage explicates that genocide may be deeply bound up with colonizing processes as a particular form of conquest and occupation" (Curthoys and Docker, 2008).
"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups" (Lemkin, 1944).
"Lemkin equates genocide not with physical extermination but with the destruction of the collective life, the 'national pattern' of the group. This means that when he writes of the destruction of a group by genocide, he means the destruction of the sociocultural existence of the group, and not necessarily the physical destruction of its members."
TLDNR: Genocide can, and has been, defined in ways that extend beyond the systematic, physical mass murder of a people group. Forced displacement of Palestinians can, arguably, be considered another element demonstrating that what is happening in Gaza is indeed genocide.
DEFINITION OF GENOCIDE IN THE CONVENTION:
The current definition of Genocide is set out in Article II of the Genocide Convention: Genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group; (c)
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
The land and historical connection to a geographical region is woven into the cultural identity of some people groups (e.g. indigenous populations in North America, etc.). Forced displacement can easily fit b or c (and potentially d depending on how children may be assimilated into another people group). Much of what follows is written specfically with North American Indigenous populations in mind but I believe, historically, most Middle Eastern populations share many of the characteristics.
'Moreover such nonhuman actors are also potential participants in a group’s identity formation and therefore, in some cases, inseparable from the group itself. For example, the role of story in many Indigenous cultures is to connect identity to territory in a manner that makes any assault on the territory, or the stories that sustain the Indigenous group’s connection to territory, an assault upon the group itself" (Cruickshank, 1998).
Duncan Campbell Scott, in 1920 proclaimed, “Our objective is . . . to get rid of the Indian problem” (Titley, 1986). It's not a reach to recognize this same sentiment regarding Israel-Hamas "our objective is . . . to get rid of the Palestinian problem."
Similarly, Richard Henry Pratt (superintendent of an "Indian" School) said “kill the Indian in him, and save the man.” Again, this can easily be seen in the implied "kill the Palestinian in him, and save the man." This is social engineering at it's finest! As Bauman (1989) said "Modern genocide is an element of social engineering."
It's forced displacement and assimilation (ethnocide). The U.S. and Canada have our own histories with this and I see threads of this in how, politically at least, the horrors in Gaza are depicted and how the "solutions" are being crafted.
"Interestingly issues of territorial occupation and conquest were present in the very first formulation of genocide as provided by Raphael Lemkin." He "wrote that genocide involves “two phases”: first, the destruction of the targeted group’s “national pattern” and second, “the imposition of the national pattern of the oppressor” on the territory of the former. This oft-quoted passage explicates that genocide may be deeply bound up with colonizing processes as a particular form of conquest and occupation" (Curthoys and Docker, 2008).
"Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions, of culture, language, national feelings, religion, and the economic existence of national groups, and the destruction of the personal security, liberty, health, dignity, and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups" (Lemkin, 1944).
"Lemkin equates genocide not with physical extermination but with the destruction of the collective life, the 'national pattern' of the group. This means that when he writes of the destruction of a group by genocide, he means the destruction of the sociocultural existence of the group, and not necessarily the physical destruction of its members."
TLDNR: Genocide can, and has been, defined in ways that extend beyond the systematic, physical mass murder of a people group. Forced displacement of Palestinians can, arguably, be considered another element demonstrating that what is happening in Gaza is indeed genocide.
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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« on: February 01, 2025, 07:16:09 PM »
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Lol. He thrived because we were buying players when we weren't supposed to. Now everyone can.
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Only certain programs should be allowed to. Besides, there's zero credible evidence that we did.
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Lol. He thrived because we were buying players when we weren't supposed to. Now everyone can.
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Only certain programs should be allowed to. Besides, there's zero credible evidence that we did.
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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« on: January 29, 2025, 05:39:48 PM »lots of booing in afh last night. seems like ku acts like every other fanbase when their team is like every other team
You mean like Nebraska's greatest fans in human history? Funny how that happens.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process
« on: January 27, 2025, 09:10:18 AM »
"And in the last days the DoD will restore the temple mount to the righteous." - I Peter (Hegseth) 3:12
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Other Sports (Tiger's Back) / Re: ksu ladycats
« on: January 26, 2025, 07:01:44 AM »the defense was horrible all game
also i hate that this team is defined by lee
Arguably, Mittie is defined by Lee.
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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: KU Basketball is Hurting
« on: January 26, 2025, 06:54:19 AM »
The 5-second violation with 16 seconds left in regulation, followed by game tying free-throws and the stolen inbounds pass in OT1 that turned into a game tying 3 tying were special treats!
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Let's talk about Elon Musk
« on: January 26, 2025, 06:34:46 AM »https://x.com/barakravid/status/1883210731845550324?s=46
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This was like worse than the Nazi salute.
Think about that sentence!
In "The Question of German Guilt," Karl Jaspers noted four types of guilt (criminal, political, moral, metaphysical) providing at least some nuance to the often generalized meaning of the word.
In a recent interview, Enzo Traverso - a historian teaching at Cornell, said this: "Rather than speaking of historical guilt, I would speak of historical responsibility. I was born more than twenty years after the Ethiopian genocide perpetrated by Italian Fascism in 1935–36. I am not guilty of that Fascist genocide, but I think I would be guilty if, as an Italian citizen, I ignored my country’s past and refused to assume the historical responsibilities tied to it. As a responsible Italian citizen, I cannot ignore the crimes that belong to my country’s history."
I mean, I know we're talking about Elon's speech to the AfD here but the larger point remains. In our rush to assuage guilt (whether in Germany, the U.S., or anywhere else), we have at best mitigated historical responsibility, if not outright denied it has any value or even exists.
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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: This week in the mercury
« on: January 24, 2025, 06:14:25 AM »
Ned Seaton has always been his own biggest fan. The great thing about Ned is he's very transparent about it!
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: The Biden (interim) Dictator
« on: January 04, 2025, 05:48:42 PM »
There's a point where these feel like boomer participation trophies. Stick around long enough and you'll receive one.
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Kansas State Basketball is hard / Re: Thread for changing the title and subtitle of the basketball board
« on: December 22, 2024, 06:52:03 AM »
Crazy Filth!
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Kansas State Football / Re: Status/Twitter/Whatever steve dave Wants To Talk About Thread
« on: December 08, 2024, 07:24:26 AM »This is pretty great
https://x.com/EvryManAWildcat/status/1865492491287322977?t=yauMPqXRNWb5lSMTGB2LYA&s=19
I love this! Thanks for a great start to my Sunday.
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Kansas State Football / Re: Something Left to Play For
« on: November 30, 2024, 03:53:26 PM »[/quote]
Could someone please explain to me why FB
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Israel - Hamas peace process
« on: November 21, 2024, 06:28:17 PM »
This is a year old but remains relevant:
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust
https://www.newyorker.com/news/the-weekend-essay/in-the-shadow-of-the-holocaust
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Who should the dems blame?
« on: November 11, 2024, 12:16:28 PM »22
The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Who should the dems blame?
« on: November 09, 2024, 07:47:10 AM »
I fully believe the main difference in messaging involves the "We see you" republican approach compared to the "We see us" democratic approach. I have no illusion that Trump or the republican party see anyone in any real way but they do a great job of communicating that they do. Kamala Harris and the democrats made no discernable effort to connect with everyman.
Another issue, I believe, is that we are living in an era of story and "relationship." Republicans seem to have better stories, true or not, than democrats. They also have a single person, with whom people can allegedly relate, manifesting what they seem to value. That's relationship. Democrats present as unrelatable in many ways and there is no single person in whom people can invest. I'm not saying this is healthy or right. There is nothing genuine in the "relationship" the republican party offers and I think the faux connection will hurt the party in the long run. But they sell this well, and I assume, very intentionally. Democrats can learn something from this. I would just hope that if they do, it's actually something real that they offer and not just a marketing strategy.
In addition, the republican party wears being common and ordinary as a badge. That resonates with ordinary people of all backgrounds and since nearly everyone is ordinary, it's a big deal. The democrats seem to be in a detached circlejerk reveling in their superior intelligence and knowledge of all things. It's even shown up in this thread. I'm not unintelligent, having earned a terminal degree (which I think is really as much about opportunity and persistence as intelligence) but I'm not an expert in everything. I'm not a climate scientist. I'm not an economist. I'm not an expert in geopolitics. I can research those topics and I do. I believe I have informed opinions on them. But, expecting everyone to study everything is unreasonable. If I was doing any work with either party, I'd encourage them to provide some scaffolding for ordinary people, like me, to understand these concepts in such a way as they can make an informed decision. Assuming people are not intelligent enough to understand these things is inaccurate, condescending, and an ineffective political posture to take.
Also, the appeal that both major parties make to outliers is frustrating and a terrible way to write policy. "Border-crossers" killing suburban, white women is an outlier. 12 year-olds having abortions is an outlier. That messaging seems to work with the already decided but it's abhorrent to me. It's the opposite of addressing the "middle." What is normative? What can we do to make things better for everyone, as much as that's possible? There is little appeal to that made by either side.
The fact that the people have ceded power to the two major candidates who ran for president is discouraging. It's embarrassing to me that these were our options.
Finally, I have zero belief that anyone at the higher levels of politics has any interest at all in the well-being and opportunities of people in this country. My bias is that they are all about themselves, power acquisition, and generating perpetually increasing financial resources. Maybe I'm a cynic. But I will own that. I'm the voter many people hate. I couldn't vote for either with any integrity. That's just me though. I don't question the integrity or rationale of anyone else's voting decisions.
Real change happens at the grassroots level. I don't hope for and wait for policy changes made by unaffected politicians. I just do my work and place my hope in having a positive impact on the people and communities with whom I engage.
Another issue, I believe, is that we are living in an era of story and "relationship." Republicans seem to have better stories, true or not, than democrats. They also have a single person, with whom people can allegedly relate, manifesting what they seem to value. That's relationship. Democrats present as unrelatable in many ways and there is no single person in whom people can invest. I'm not saying this is healthy or right. There is nothing genuine in the "relationship" the republican party offers and I think the faux connection will hurt the party in the long run. But they sell this well, and I assume, very intentionally. Democrats can learn something from this. I would just hope that if they do, it's actually something real that they offer and not just a marketing strategy.
In addition, the republican party wears being common and ordinary as a badge. That resonates with ordinary people of all backgrounds and since nearly everyone is ordinary, it's a big deal. The democrats seem to be in a detached circlejerk reveling in their superior intelligence and knowledge of all things. It's even shown up in this thread. I'm not unintelligent, having earned a terminal degree (which I think is really as much about opportunity and persistence as intelligence) but I'm not an expert in everything. I'm not a climate scientist. I'm not an economist. I'm not an expert in geopolitics. I can research those topics and I do. I believe I have informed opinions on them. But, expecting everyone to study everything is unreasonable. If I was doing any work with either party, I'd encourage them to provide some scaffolding for ordinary people, like me, to understand these concepts in such a way as they can make an informed decision. Assuming people are not intelligent enough to understand these things is inaccurate, condescending, and an ineffective political posture to take.
Also, the appeal that both major parties make to outliers is frustrating and a terrible way to write policy. "Border-crossers" killing suburban, white women is an outlier. 12 year-olds having abortions is an outlier. That messaging seems to work with the already decided but it's abhorrent to me. It's the opposite of addressing the "middle." What is normative? What can we do to make things better for everyone, as much as that's possible? There is little appeal to that made by either side.
The fact that the people have ceded power to the two major candidates who ran for president is discouraging. It's embarrassing to me that these were our options.
Finally, I have zero belief that anyone at the higher levels of politics has any interest at all in the well-being and opportunities of people in this country. My bias is that they are all about themselves, power acquisition, and generating perpetually increasing financial resources. Maybe I'm a cynic. But I will own that. I'm the voter many people hate. I couldn't vote for either with any integrity. That's just me though. I don't question the integrity or rationale of anyone else's voting decisions.
Real change happens at the grassroots level. I don't hope for and wait for policy changes made by unaffected politicians. I just do my work and place my hope in having a positive impact on the people and communities with whom I engage.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Transgender issues (not necessarily in sports)
« on: November 09, 2024, 07:07:21 AM »IMO there's a chance to win the middle with data on outcomes and information from health experts combined with an element of "we aren't going to tell you how to care for your kids - it's between you and your doctors. Parents know their kids best and should do what they think is best for them, not what the government thinks is best for them".Then the left needs to rethink the “teachers don’t need to tell parents if the kid’s gender identity at school is different” issue, which is explicitly the opposite of that “parents know better than the state argument.” I’m paraphrasing the issue but I hope you know what I mean.
I hear you, at the very least, the messaging on schools not telling parents needs to be improved. I mean to start it should be clear that the school won't be administering hormone therapy, just providing a safe-ish space for social transition. I went to look for data on how often this happens and didn't find any but instead found this thread, which has some useful perspectives:
https://www.reddit.com/r/trans/s/BwjGmtm1hYQuote1. Schools should not place kids in danger.
2. Schools are not in a position to know about or evaluate the potential danger to a kid if that kid's parents find out they're queer.
3. Therefore, schools should not share (or be compelled to share) information about a kid's LGBTQ+ status with parents.
It was obviously all anecdotes, including a few about being outed by their school and it leading to abuse at home. It also leads to some questions about the parent/school/child relationships:
Should the state out a trans child that doesn't want to be outed?
How much autonomy should a child have in a decision to out their identity to some communities but not their parents?
Should a school out a child who is gay to parents?
Should a school tell a parent if a child is dating someone, even if it's a hetero relationship?
So I think in terms of who knows best, it's probably:
The child
The medical professionals
Parents
School/government
I also understand how that's more difficult to message than "parents know best". Need to think about it some more.
I agree with a lot of this, in principle. I believe there are some other factors that could be considered.
1. I would maybe reframe "who knows best" with "whose knowledge is most accurate."
2. I would also determine, as much as possible, the entity with the greatest stake in the child's well-being if I were to place these in an order of importance. An argument could likely be made for each of those you mentioned.
3. I believe it's important to keep variables in mind such as the child's intrapersonal development of identity/self-concept, biases/presuppositions of medical professionals, parents, and government, and the desired outcomes all entities work toward regardless of research-based findings.
4. The safety of the child, obviously, needs to be paramount. So, attitudes and outlooks of each of the entities mentioned must be part of the process. The problem is, these are often kept well-hidden and rarely fully disclosed.
Having said all of that, I would like to see everyone in any decision-making position regarding transgender children (including parents/guardians) be much more forthright about their own processes and policies, biases, etc. I see no value in trotting out anecdotes of extreme cases or touting anything as "absolute" in the soft sciences, which much of this is. The DSM has changed considerably over the years based on new data. Everyone is still learning and admitting that, inviting reasoned discussion, and moving toward the well-being of the children, as opposed to getting a win, would enhance healthy outcomes for everyone.
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Essentially Flyertalk / Re: Mildly interesting things about you
« on: October 17, 2024, 09:57:58 AM »
It does mess with your mind... Am I really color blind or did I just never learn my colors?
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These two possibilities are not necessarily mutually exclusive!