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Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball / Re: Per my sources at the game
« on: December 22, 2012, 10:07:00 PM »
I told Kougs that this should have been on the Jumbotron at half.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Can't wait for the Riots/Militia rising up
« on: November 13, 2012, 09:02:19 PM »
that guy's dangerous. he posts like 100 times/day. I think all he does all day is sit in front of his computer and post in the world forum. very scary.
I totally agree. I read the world forum to laugh at the crazy folk, but he freaks me out and makes my blood boil with his racist, homophobic crap. Here is a gem:
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ksucatinokc posted on 11/8/2012
Liberals, I have FOUND your political END GAME!!!!!
... This will be our final coffin nail in every election to come.
We all know you love keeping dead people on the voting rolls to vote...you guys need to take it just ONE STEP further and you have your power for life all locked up.
Step 1: Since you guys perform almost all the abortions....just NAME ALL OF THE BABIES YOU KILL!!!!!!
Step 2: REGISTER these poor dead babies to vote!!!!
Step 3: Send in for absentee ballots for your murdered babies!!!!
Step 4: VOTE!!!!
Think about it, what little remorse you may feel...who am I kidding...you guys don't feel remorse over this stuff...this stuff is FUN to you guys. At least then you could remember back to the day you went to the Planned Parenthood clinic (in some cases several days) and had that little future dead vote sucked out of your womb and smile, knowing that your bouncy, bloody glob of tissue is really the murder that keeps on giving!!!!
Liberals would no longer even have to campaign...how cool would that be??
Just trying to help you out with your clear mandate of well under half the country!!!!
EMAW
Todd M.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: GAH!
« on: October 25, 2012, 09:31:57 PM »Quote from: john "teach me how to" dougie link=topic=23830.msg643153#msg643153
pFFT, no. Dems are the ones that categorize everyone. Every person fits into a nice little binder that gets treated differently according to race, creed, color, gender, sexual orientation, and religion, which perpetuates stereo types, racism, etc.
As opposed to Romney's binders full of women?
It's not that hard to understand. Every sane person knows Murder is worse than rape. They think abortion is murder.
Disgusting.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« on: October 23, 2012, 01:43:05 PM »i like how the president was a super smart ass several times last night. the horses and bayonets thing was fantastic. romney is such a dufus.
It actually made Obama seem childish.
I love how the right wing claimed that Romney was being "strong, presidential" in the first debate while characterizing something similar from Obama in the second debate was "childish".
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« on: October 16, 2012, 11:41:02 PM »After watching the Rose Garden speech the day after the Benghazi murders, Candy Crowley was wrong about Obama saying it was a terrorist attack. He didn't.
He said, " No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation, alter that character, or eclipse the light of the values that we stand for. Today we mourn four more Americans who represent the very best of the United States of America. We will not waver in our commitment to see that justice is done for this terrible act. And make no mistake, justice will be done."
I knew that some people would play semantics.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« on: October 16, 2012, 11:16:42 PM »
In the interest of full disclosure, I'm a woman who will be voting for Obama. I do believe that the bumbling answer about the binder full of women and references to women being home to make dinner was off-putting to most. He doesn't support fair pay. Awesome.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: 2012 Presidential Debate Master Thread
« on: October 16, 2012, 11:06:32 PM »
Two things they both royally mumped up was the question about women and pay, and the one about machine guns(didn't realize this was an issue this go round).
You clearly aren't a woman if you don't think that President Obama curbstomped Mitt on this one. Also, if you think that independent women voters would watch this and not take issue, you are mistaken.
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Kansas State Football / Re: Optimus Klein on the U
« on: September 25, 2012, 07:41:44 PM »Have we discussed how much poon poonhound69 is going to get on top of his usual poon now that his work has been featured on national ("nat'l") television?
I hope he gets oodles.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 11:04:11 PM »
I don't think the Scheme is worth the wait anyway.
I think you're Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Public school or private school?
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:51:43 PM »87
The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:34:00 PM »Anyplace new in Salina that'll be a good spot for a late breakfast / early lunch on Monday?
Not really. I never stray from Bogey's or La Casita when I eat in Salina.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:22:32 PM »in no way does private education offer all the services available in a public education setting. that is one thing people miss when they talk about privatising education. There are tons of social services, welfare services, and family counciling services only available to certain segments of the population (low SES) through the school house. A private school would have no interest whatsoever in accepted many students with the challenges that public schools are mandated to take care of. This is one of the biggest reason why school vouchers scare me so much. If any more money is stolen from public schools hundreds of thousands of kids would go without even more basic services. Hell just look at free food programs. There is something inherently wrong when the school is the place to provide a warm meal for a kid and its the highlight of their day.
Exactly. Private schools don't have the special education, speech, OT services available, not are they required to provide those services at the same level as public schools.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 10:14:02 PM »It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching. While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told. It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?
I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions. It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi. And no, We did not take our kid out juJu school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read. That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.
My reading comprehension is fine, thanks. I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said. I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class. However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read. And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick. I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.
I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.
I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot. I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him. I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.
We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives. Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.
No, and sorry for attacking your reading comprehension; there's so much trolling going on towards little 'ol me, I figured the fishing was slow and you were throwing your bait out as well. Your assessment of our decision to pull my son is a bit off. It was primarily due to his sudden decrease in his passion for learning - which I attributed to his teacher being a 40 year old woman in her first year of teaching that just switched careers from nursing. We had several issues but the major ones involved the teacher using my son as a surrogate for a learning disabled ADD kid; because my son was the only person he would play with & not bite. That's not to say my kid was never disruptive, but during PT conferences, his teacher herself would defend my son saying he was never the instigator and everyone at the LD kids table constantly got into trouble. That didn't stop us from having serious consequences for him when he did get into trouble, but when we noticed a trend of him avoiding trouble on the days LD kid was not there (which was often) we asked our teacher to move desk around - which she did... for 2 days. She moved them back together because the LD kid would become un-managable when he couldn't sit next to his "only friend" I honestly feel like an ass for not wanting that kid to sit next to mine but he went through pre-school and he ended up at the top of the class by years end; he started out so eager and loving kindergarten and within 3 months was begging to not go to school. (I'm sure I'll catch flack from what's his name that said parents put their kids in private school to stay away from poor kids, but that simply isn't true) I'm aware that the testing had nothing to do with NCLB, but it didn't stop our teacher. We actually asked why in kindergarten, kids were sent home with at the very least 3 pieces of homework on a daily basis and why they were tested monthly for retention. We were told it was district curriculum and all kindergarten was like that now. My wife and I feel however, that it was more a result of a 1st year teacher not receiving any proper guidance from administrators or peers.
The snack situation was a definite problem that was allowed and encouraged by the teacher. Parents were responsible for bringing snack and we were told at the beginning of the year that healthy snacks are nice, but not to bother because they're often just thrown in the trash and kids only eat things that taste good. Did I also mention his teacher was about 100 lb's overweight?
It was never that my kid refused to learn to read - he was just burnt out. He just didn't rough ridin' care and that's not who my son is. It took 4 months of "un-schooling" to see that spark come back and he is again eager to learn to read. We're seeing an eye specialist to check out his tracking tomorrow, as he has no problem reading sight words & sounding out longer words, but when reading books, he tends to not finish sentences and loses his place. Which, for all of the trollers reading this, is completely normal for a 6 year old kid.
But anyway, the short answer to your question, we pulled him out because he hated school and was beginning to hate learning. My wife being a teacher on an extended sabbatical to be a stay at home mom who just happened to be working on her masters as a reading specialist afforded us the opportunity to provide a better education for our kid. Concerns over socialization were initially high on my list, but after this homeschooling experience, I realize this is hogwash. He spends TONS of time around kids his own age and is even relating to kids better than before. We live in a suburb of Wichita and we've found that Wichita, KS is the homeschooling capitol of the world. There are hundreds of kids his age we see on our weekly excursions and he's made friends with several of the other homeschool kids - we also live in a neighborhood with 3 other families with kids his own age that he plays with on a daily basis. Socialization is not a problem and anyone that tells you it is, isn't doing it right.
But anyway, I felt through all of this thread that we were on the same side. The reason you're not teaching anymore is likely the reason I hate public education and would rather my son and much younger daughter not be a part of it. Listening to your 5th grade curriculum, I know you understand EXACTLY how I feel about repetitious learning and how to properly educate someone. People may be taking offense to my position because it may seem I'm not on the teachers side. Quite the contrary. I'm not on government education's side. I have a feeling that if more teachers could let go of the career that they've had to buy into to get by, they would agree whole heartedly.
My question to you is this, When did not supporting government education become not supporting teachers? It reminds me of people that tell me that I don't support our troops and I'm not a patriot because I don't agree with the current war we're in.
Sounds like your son had a crappy teacher. It sucks that his first school experience was poor.
I don't think that you have to approve of the education system to support teachers. I think education should be handled at the state level, though with Brownback, Kansas would be screwed.
Oh, and homework in elementary school is stupid, especially in kindergarten.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 04:20:00 PM »It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching. While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told. It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?
I do expect my kid to sit still and follow directions. It becomes harder for a 6 year old to do that however when their morning snack is a little debbie cake filled with sugar and topped off with a pepsi. And no, We did not take our kid out of school because he couldn't sit still and learn to read. That's absurd and I question your reading comprehension if that's what you took from the last 7 pages of me describing our situation.
My reading comprehension is fine, thanks. I went back and reread, just to make sure that I didn't miss anything that you had said. I get that you have problems with teaching to the NCLB tests, and that your child wasn't getting enough attention with regard to enrichment because of the other children in the class. However, if I was teaching kindergarten, my first priority would be to teach the kid how to read. And yes, I would find it frustrating if I knew that the student was refusing to learn to read because it was all a parlor trick. I would have a hard time just letting that be okay and skipping reading instruction because the child would prefer to do something else.
I'm not sure where your child went to school, because I have never seen a classroom where snack cakes and Pepsi were given (or allowed) as snacks, or where a kindergarten teacher was cramming test prep...they don't have NCLB until third grade.
I'm glad that you can afford to homeschool, because a majority of people cannot. I'm sure my son would learn at an accelerated pace if I could devote all of my time to teaching him. I think school is more important, though, because he will learn more about interaction with others and expectations of society than I could ever teach him if I kept him home.
We agree on a lot regarding NCLB, and perhaps I overstepped a bit questioning you on your motives. Like I said, the fact that six year olds are able to determine what they will and will not do is a frustration of mine, but you have to do what you think is right for your own kid.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 13, 2012, 03:09:52 PM »
It is the idea that 6 year olds should be able to dictate what they are learning that contributes to the frustration of teaching. While I agree that cramming test prep is a horrible way to teach, it drives me crazy that parents don't think that their kids should be expected to sit still, follow directions, and do what they are told. It is great that you provide learning opportunities outside of normal school activities, but did you really take your kid out of school because they were expecting him to sit still and learn to read?
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 12, 2012, 11:04:39 PM »
Wow, HeinBallz....you clearly don't use a tablet to post. That would have taken me an hour to type.
Um, so...anybody want to discuss vouchers?
Oh, and I did forget about rural areas re: year round school. Good point.
Um, so...anybody want to discuss vouchers?
Oh, and I did forget about rural areas re: year round school. Good point.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 12, 2012, 09:28:53 PM »
I agree that kids would retain more with year round school, though I wonder if they would shut down for a few weeks before each break, like most do before winter and summer. I actually think that I would prefer to teach year round, once I got married and didn't have to count on a summer job to supplement my teaching income. As a kid, I think I would have hated it, because as much as I liked school, I 
summer break.
summer break.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 12, 2012, 10:51:39 AM »Heinballz, what you fail to realize is that this is not about your kid. It's about education and the effect that the kids our system is producing have on the economy in general. It's about taxpayers getting a return on their investment. Claiming you shouldn't have to fund education with your taxpayer dollars because your child is homeschooled is incredibly short-sighted.
I think the point is that kids learn at their own pace, and judging their intelligence or the efficacy of the teacher by some arbitrary test results is ridiculous. Memorizing is not an effective way to learn most concepts. I have a great memory. Math was a breeze for me when all I had to do was memorize facts and steps. Once I actually had to apply what I was memorizing, I bombed big time.
I would never homeschool, and I don't want to send my son to private school, so he will definitely be going to public school. It makes me uncomfortable that our neighborhood elementary school has freakishly high test scores, though, because now I know what they teach all day. I guess all schools do...they just excel at it.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 11, 2012, 11:21:49 PM »1. NCLB is not perfect however it has made teachers and schools more aware of struggling populations/students. This information when used successfully allows teachers to generate programs/curriculum to meet the needs of each student. This increased individualization has had an impact.
I disagree with this point. As the proficiency percentages increased, I was less able to create lessons or even supplement the district curriculum. We spent all day, every day until the end of April cramming test prep into all students' heads, regardless of ability or readiness level. Once May came around, the whole atmosphere lightened and the kids started to enjoy learning. We were allowed to do big, cross-curricular projects. We were allowed to teach social studies and science!
Elementary?
It can be time consuming but science and social studies can be incorporated into lessons preparing students for math and language arts assessment.
Yes, elementary. The point is that teachers have less freedom to incorporate anything into the lessons, because districts are now on a kick to stick to the textbooks. When I started teaching, it was the opposite and teaching straight from the book was frowned upon. Besides, the best way to teach SS and Science is to do so with a hands-on approach. I still have students from years ago who remember colonization because we divided into teams, "sailed" across the ocean, traded with Native Americans, lost colony members to illness, etc. Teamwork, compromise... They wouldn't have learned our retained nearly as much if the subject was being taught while reading passages for test prep.
Kind of getting off topic, because I'm sure you all were dying to read about my lesson plans for fifth grade. I loved teaching, but I hated cramming test prep every hour of every day. Just got my Master's in School Counseling, so I'm pretty excited that I will struggle to find a job because of the budget cuts and subsequent decisions to cut counselors left and right.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 11, 2012, 03:41:23 PM »1. NCLB is not perfect however it has made teachers and schools more aware of struggling populations/students. This information when used successfully allows teachers to generate programs/curriculum to meet the needs of each student. This increased individualization has had an impact.
I disagree with this point. As the proficiency percentages increased, I was less able to create lessons or even supplement the district curriculum. We spent all day, every day until the end of April cramming test prep into all students' heads, regardless of ability or readiness level. Once May came around, the whole atmosphere lightened and the kids started to enjoy learning. We were allowed to do big, cross-curricular projects. We were allowed to teach social studies and science!
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 11, 2012, 10:35:51 AM »My main problem with the admin(at least in my wife's district) is that many of them are not good at their job. I don't think teachers make good admins, but that is who they hire.
They take people who's experience is dealing with 20-30 10yr olds for the last decade, then put them in charge of 20-30 adults and a medium to large budget/facility. I don't care what the 4 semesters of Masters class does for them, the leap between the two is extraordinarily drastic and the personality required to be successful at the former is most likely not the right personality to be effective at the later.
I mean, the way the admins admin is ridic in 80% of the examples I have knowledge of. Their handling of personnel, the culture they create/maintain, and their decisions overall are insane as often as not.
When the supt is a former PE, Language, or Science teacher who is managing a hundred teachers and a 15 mill budget, it seems like a recipe for a product that isn't as quality as it should be. Yet this is normal.
I had never thought about it that way. I do think that there has to be some teaching experience required, though, unless every building was required to have a curriculum/instruction person as well.
I would hate to be a principal, fwiw. Dealing with crappy parents, meeting AYP, trying to help bad teachers. Hey, wait! I already did all of that as a teacher.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 11, 2012, 12:06:37 AM »
I am not sure where you are getting the notion that there is a plethora of paras in schools, but there are definitely more now than there were when I started teaching. However, they are certainly needed, especially when the law states that all children must be educated in the least restrictive environment possible.
My last year of teaching (2 years ago), I had 22 students in my fifth grade class. One student was autistic, and he was on the lower functioning end of the spectrum...very challenging. Another student was bipolar and oppositional defiant, and he regularly threw things across the room, was violent toward both students and adults, and ran out of the classroom every time he was expected to do work. I had one para for a limited time each day. But hey, if my students (including the two mentioned above) didn't pass the state assessments, guess who got the blame?
My last year of teaching (2 years ago), I had 22 students in my fifth grade class. One student was autistic, and he was on the lower functioning end of the spectrum...very challenging. Another student was bipolar and oppositional defiant, and he regularly threw things across the room, was violent toward both students and adults, and ran out of the classroom every time he was expected to do work. I had one para for a limited time each day. But hey, if my students (including the two mentioned above) didn't pass the state assessments, guess who got the blame?
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 09, 2012, 09:06:23 AM »
Yes, I knew who the good teachers were, and the bad ones were totally obvious. However, the water cooler point is true. My principal loved me....and I'm pretty sure he wanted to get in my pants. I would have received excellent reviews even if I had gone in and passed out worksheets everyday.
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The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit / Re: Privatizing Education/Romney's plan
« on: June 08, 2012, 09:51:16 PM »I full agree about bad teachers. That was my point about raising pay. An $80k yr job attracts a lot of very qualified workers who work hard to keep that job. A $30k starting salary attracts candidates who want to be finished for the day at 3:30pm and get summers off.
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I don't really see a problem with teachers starting at $30K for a 24 year old. If they are driven and enjoy teaching, having a performance based salary should allow for pretty quick increase. An employer matched 401K could also be a good incentive.
But eff all the kids in the classes of those teachers 1st & 2nd years of learning how to be a teacher - which is a fairly large amount of kids considering the flame out teachers who quit early in their careers. Quality educators can make more money in their first 5 years with less standards running a day care with only 5 kids. Fact.
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I was a teacher for 13 years, mostly in KCK. NCLB was doomed from the beginning. The goal of having 100% of students test at a proficient level is ridiculous, because 100% of students are not capable of meeting that standard. This includes special ed students, ELL students who have lived in the U.S. for a year, and students who are more worried about when they will be able to eat or have a bed to sleep in than if they can identify the text structure of a reading passage.
Parents blame teachers for everything. Tommy didn't do his homework? Teacher's fault. Tommy punched another kid? Teacher's fault. Kids ARE learning...learning how to avoid responsibility just like their parents!
BTW, I didn't belong to the union. I do think it is ridiculously hard to fire bad teachers, but it can be done if the principals document everything. I don't think there is a fair way to reward teachers based on performance. Reviews are too subjective. Test scores don't reflect the quality of the teacher.