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Title: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: manpow5 on September 26, 2017, 08:46:33 AM
http://www.businessinsider.com/college-basketball-bribery-scandal-arrests-2017-9
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Post by: manpow5 on September 26, 2017, 08:51:32 AM
FYI, apparently Addidas is the sportswear company involved
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 26, 2017, 08:51:55 AM
 :surprised:
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Post by: Kat Kid on September 26, 2017, 08:59:49 AM

 :lol:
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2017, 09:05:32 AM
Hmmmmm, two coaches from Nike schools and one from an Under Armour school involved with an Adidas exec :confused:
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Post by: chum1 on September 26, 2017, 09:07:14 AM
oh wow
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Post by: Kat Kid on September 26, 2017, 09:10:18 AM
anyone know an adidas school with known sleaze ball recruiters?

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Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Kat Kid on September 26, 2017, 09:12:06 AM
Bill Self right now:
http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS (http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS)
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2017, 09:14:05 AM
Smart of the feds to target these low level assistants, and leaking the names, they will absolutely roll on the big fish. Having their names out there already, they are already unemployable, they have zero incentive to keep quiet and take the full brunt of this.
Title: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: ednksu on September 26, 2017, 09:45:01 AM
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/four-college-basketball-assistant-coaches-hit-with-federal-fraud-corruption-charges/

The United States Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York announced early Tuesday that a press conference will be held at noon ET to detail charges of fraud and corruption in college basketball against four current assistant coaches -- Arizona's Emanuel "Book" Richardson, Auburn's Chuck Person, Oklahoma State's Lamont Evans and USC's Tony Bland. Managers, financial advisers and representatives of a major international sportswear company are also involved.

He's accused of helping funnel approximately $100,000 to the family of an "All-American high school basketball player" to secure the prospect's commitment to a school Adidas sponsors.



As if there wasn't enough money and corruption in sport. 
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: OK_Cat on September 26, 2017, 09:45:16 AM
Bill Self right now:
http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS (http://t.co/Y9iy9JSrwS)

Let’s not get too excited. GRCOAT rumblings.


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Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 09:50:48 AM
Wonder who's going to jail today?  :ohno:
Title: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: The Big Train on September 26, 2017, 09:54:44 AM
Anyone wanna take bets?
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 09:59:14 AM
Dirty Birds...

http://www.wdrb.com/story/36454113/university-of-louisville-appears-linked-to-federal-fraud-probe-of-college-basketball
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 10:00:06 AM
Cardinal sins  :nono:
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Post by: chum1 on September 26, 2017, 10:01:50 AM
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 10:02:52 AM
Ruh roh. Little Ricky gonna be in trouble!
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 26, 2017, 10:03:16 AM
I was just looking at a list of high profile adidas basketball schools, wow pretty short list  :ohno:
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 10:14:33 AM
I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??

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Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: ednksu on September 26, 2017, 10:26:06 AM
I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??

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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines.  Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?


I can't believe Adidas got involved in this.  I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 10:26:51 AM
I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??

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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines.  Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?


I can't believe Adidas got involved in this.  I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.

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Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: The Big Train on September 26, 2017, 10:31:50 AM
For the resident licensed lawyers what could be brought down on these schools and coaches?
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: kso_FAN on September 26, 2017, 10:34:56 AM
For the resident licensed lawyers what could be brought down on these schools and coaches?

I'm sure they covered their tracks, but can this lead to junk for the head coaches they worked under (Pitino, Frank, Underwood, etc.)?
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: ednksu on September 26, 2017, 10:34:59 AM
Side question, are college coaches considered "public officials?"

I'm probably wrong here:
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/224
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: TheHamburglar on September 26, 2017, 10:40:53 AM
I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??

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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines.  Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?


I can't believe Adidas got involved in this.  I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.

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Adidas payed (bribed) assistant coaches to funnel players to Adidas payed (bribed) agents & financial advisors to funnel college athletes to Adidas without the college athletes knowing their coaches, agents, & financial advisors (the last 2 they pay for services) received payment to influence their decisions via professional services.

That's a lot of interstate fraud.
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: ednksu on September 26, 2017, 10:41:43 AM
my bad on luke-ing this thread.  If mods want to merge or whatevs.....
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: manpow5 on September 26, 2017, 10:43:55 AM
 :Lurk:
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: ednksu on September 26, 2017, 10:46:50 AM
From another dimension, I wonder how many of these "student athletes" (or their close family) got to see any of this money.
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: renocat on September 26, 2017, 10:54:09 AM
https://www.sbnation.com/college-basketball/2017/9/26/16366046/ncaa-basketball-fbi-corruption-investigation-bribery
This article mentions Frank's South Carolina.  Evans at KU likely will be scrutinized over his latest recruiting of BigMonster.   When this all shakes out maybe Weber will seem like good stuff.
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 11:07:51 AM
Stream on SDNY's Facebook page, for those interested: youjizz.com

edit: https://www.facebook.com/usaosdny/
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 11:10:43 AM
A certain Mr. Gilmore reppin' oscar and the Cats in the live chat.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 11:16:18 AM
Live now on FB.
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Post by: BMWWcat on September 26, 2017, 11:21:09 AM
can someone post some cliffnotes of the conf...can't get the video to play.
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Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 11:25:11 AM
I would, but for the fact I'd rather not.
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Post by: BMWWcat on September 26, 2017, 11:25:47 AM
thanks man!   :flush:
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 11:37:17 AM
Ten arrests. Four coaches. Investigation continues.

Just look at the list of Adidas schools for which one drops next.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 11:44:21 AM
Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them. 
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 11:45:46 AM
Criminal complaint press release: https://www.justice.gov/usao-sdny/press-release/file/998746/download
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 11:46:36 AM
Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
This will certainly lead to a death penalty for them. Too much crap has gone down there in last few years.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: OK_Cat on September 26, 2017, 11:49:47 AM
Get your popcorn ready. This is going to get ugly for a lot of schools.


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Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Spracne on September 26, 2017, 11:53:28 AM
Interesting that the NCAA did not know about the investigation until this morning. Now the ball is in their court *cough*. Will they protect the institutions, or make an example d/t egg on face?

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Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: manpow5 on September 26, 2017, 12:05:36 PM
What does this mean for our guy Brad?
Title: Re: Four college basketball assistant coaches hit with federal fraud charges
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on September 26, 2017, 12:14:27 PM
I don't really understand why the feds are involved, here. RICO??

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Multi national corps, huge schools, and teams that travel across state lines.  Pretty interesting case, but definitely has to be fed, who else?


I can't believe Adidas got involved in this.  I get the money shifting with AAU and boosters, but getting corporations involved is crazy to me.
I just don't understand what the federal crime/s is/are.

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I'd go with bribery, fraud, wire fraud, and conspiracy charges on top of each. They're funneling money to institutions they receive billions of dollars from the Federal Govt.

If Addidas is publicly traded there could be SEC issues as well. Application of antitrust laws have gotten pretty perverted as well.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2017, 12:16:10 PM
Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.
This will certainly lead to a death penalty for them. Too much crap has gone down there in last few years.

They won't get the death penalty, that also has a negative effect on their conference partners. If they get punished for this it will result in scholarship reductions, multiple year post-season bans, fines, and Pitino and Jurich will get fired.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 12:17:54 PM
Got to protect the revenue stream. ;)
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Post by: scottwildcat on September 26, 2017, 12:18:49 PM
Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.
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Post by: TheHamburglar on September 26, 2017, 01:27:44 PM
Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.

Plus SMU was sanctioned multiple times & the regents just kept doing the same stuff treating SMU as their own game.  SMU had to take it really, really far to get the death penalty the first time.

None of this comes close to what SMU did.  Louisville can fire everyone & their regents won't keep it going. 
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 01:37:31 PM
Hey guys. We got busted bribing with hookers and strippers. I bet cash from Adidas would be much safer!
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Mixed-Nutz on September 26, 2017, 02:38:11 PM
Death Penalty is never going to be brought down ever again.

That is not true. If schools/Coaches get in trouble for having others take ACT test for potential recruits that are struggling to qualify, we will see the hammer get dropped. It isn't like that potential isn't there.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: renocat on September 26, 2017, 03:04:27 PM
I am glad KU issued a statement in a KC Star article that no strings attached to its new 191 million agreement with adidas.  None.  Latest recruit to comit should be scrutinized.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 26, 2017, 03:11:40 PM
That's a very proactive Roy "I'm not recruiting that kid . . . anymore" Williams style statement by KU.



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Post by: bws on September 26, 2017, 03:33:12 PM
More South Carolina mentions in this yahoo article.. yikes.

https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-armageddon-college-basketball-just-tip-iceberg-184524346.html (https://sports.yahoo.com/fbi-brings-armageddon-college-basketball-just-tip-iceberg-184524346.html)

Quote
Also in the crossfire is so-called “University 2,” which in the complaints is described in a way that resembles the University of South Carolina and only the University of South Carolina – “a public research university located in South Carolina … with over 30,000 students …”

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Post by: IPA4Me on September 26, 2017, 03:33:38 PM
Local news station rundown on Louisville's involvement.

https://www.facebook.com/egcrawford/videos/1433746513377221/?hc_ref=ARRlkg-rM4GovqlglLojpus47a4Sswhdp3RC8nJuF__RLy3djkLUwaHsDsbogmnIRRk (https://www.facebook.com/egcrawford/videos/1433746513377221/?hc_ref=ARRlkg-rM4GovqlglLojpus47a4Sswhdp3RC8nJuF__RLy3djkLUwaHsDsbogmnIRRk)
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Post by: Trim on September 26, 2017, 04:00:01 PM
Do people even buy basketball shoes based off of player branding anymore, other than LeBron and KD?
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 26, 2017, 04:09:48 PM
 :lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on September 26, 2017, 04:55:11 PM
:lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em

What a weird standard
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Post by: The Big Train on September 26, 2017, 04:56:06 PM
Seems pretty pro-entitlements
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on September 26, 2017, 04:56:23 PM
Also can we get pitino?   :crossfingers:
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 26, 2017, 05:23:16 PM
Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
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Post by: cat97 on September 26, 2017, 05:36:13 PM
Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........
  Are you sure that would not have been a pay cut.
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2017, 05:45:33 PM
:lol: At people that buy basketball shoes, if you aren't getting them free from your aau program, you don't need'em

Words of a fat, lazy, middle aged man
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on September 26, 2017, 08:26:00 PM
Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........

Less than he got
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: memphis on September 26, 2017, 08:50:35 PM
Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........

Less than he got

What is the going rate these days Spracs?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 26, 2017, 09:11:38 PM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 26, 2017, 09:53:46 PM
Wait 'till Andrew Wiggans finds out he could have got 100k to go to Louisville.........

Less than he got

Can't get anything past you
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: muqluk on September 26, 2017, 09:58:06 PM
Two schemes: financial adviser scheme, and Adidas scheme. USC, Arizona, OKst, and Auburn assistant coaches charged. L'ville personnel not criminally charged, but affidavits reveal information that will probably lead to heavy NCAA sanctions against them.

As interesting as this all is (for BB fans) I'm sort of curious if there's any related activities within other areas of the respective Athletic Departments.  Ok St in particular interests me.  Wasn't that long ago that the SI expose (maybe hit piece, maybe before its time  :dunno:) leveled a bunch of accusations on Gundy's grundle.

One thing's for sure, it's gonna be a good time for the lucky schools (and fans) not directly implicated.
 :Woot:
Title: Re: Anyone Wanna Take Bets On Who Is Going To Jail Today?
Post by: MakeItRain on September 26, 2017, 10:49:17 PM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy

WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
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Post by: ELL3 on September 26, 2017, 10:52:30 PM

Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2017, 12:35:41 AM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy

WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?   
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Post by: #LIFE on September 27, 2017, 12:39:01 AM

Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.

It has already started. Yet there are plenty of clean coaches that have managed to make it to the round of 32 at least once in the last 5 years and not lose a team 3 out of those 5. I would love for those people trashing Frank and Brad now to try to say that to anyone's face Saturday.
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Post by: renocat on September 27, 2017, 04:51:04 AM

Sadly the tard fans will give this as validation for keeping Oscar and his clean ways.

It has already started. Yet there are plenty of clean coaches that have managed to make it to the round of 32 at least once in the last 5 years and not lose a team 3 out of those 5. I would love for those people trashing Frank and Brad now to try to say that to anyone's face Saturday.
I won't ca too many coaches dirty as it implies you can actually pin something on them, but sleazy yes.  Unfortunately it appears to be successful you have to crawl into the sewers.  You want to stop this then ban recruitment of any player who does AAU.  Use HD again.  If there is a rush to find clean coaches, then that increases the odds of Oscar being snagged from us.  If he had a level recruiting field he might not do so crappy.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 06:25:16 AM
It happens in many places. Even my D3 baseball playing friend got under the table stuff.

His dad was a state champ high school football coach in Ohio. All kinds of goodies flying there. Never any $100K stories though.
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Post by: mocat on September 27, 2017, 06:43:53 AM
I'm still not clear what is federally illegal here. Against ncaa rules sure, but, were any public officials bribed?
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 06:46:37 AM
Read the press release that I linked. Charges are listed.
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2017, 09:16:14 AM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy

WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?

You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2017, 09:39:09 AM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy

WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?

You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas



There's also a newer pronounced element of "investment" in one and doners by outside parties, because they know they're going to get a quick return on their dime.   You seemed to be confused by what you said.  You implied that I am saying the only thing driving corruption (both in the past, now and in the future)in college basketball is one and done's.   Which is not what I said nor even implied.   The shoe companies have been up to shenanigans since before you were born, everyone already understands this.   But there were also sports agent firms raided by the FBI and people at that/those agencies arrested.   Agents have clearly always been a problem, but now they are doubling and tripling down because they're not waiting multiple years to make bank on some of these guys.  In fact, in some cases, they're making bank in 8 months.   

Had you heard the interview, Bilas pretty much dismissed the one and done element (element, not the entire issue) straight out, which is bullshit.   IMO he's doing that because Coach K is all-in on potential one and done recruits.    Jay has a bad habit of pointing fingers everywhere else in college athletics, but going radio silence on his alma mater, who pays its b-ball coach $5 million plus dollars a year, and just spent hundreds of millions of dollars on athletic facilities, after just spending hundreds of millions dollars on athletic facilities a few years ago.   Jay's "There's never enough money" Tweets are always pointing out big expenditures, big contracts and fancy facilities every where else, but not surprisingly, that never includes Duke.    Coach K is in national corporate advertising campaigns, and has always been one of Nike's top guys.  So Jay's hero is all-in on the big money element of college athletics, but you'll never hear that from Jay Bilas. 




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Post by: wetwillie on September 27, 2017, 10:19:22 AM
Probably luked but Louisville shitcanned their AD this morning.   Rick probably next.
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Post by: BMWWcat on September 27, 2017, 10:44:42 AM
And down goes Rick Pitino...per ESPN.
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Post by: AppleJack on September 27, 2017, 10:49:10 AM
come home, Rick.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 10:53:13 AM
Confidence rising that oscar is going to win the whole goddamn thing this year!  :excited:

Akron Zips
Arkansas State Red Wolves
Baylor Bears (basketball) lol obvi
Bowling Green Falcons
Brown Bears
Bucknell Bison
Central Michigan Chippewas
Cincinnati Bearcats
Denver Pioneers
Duquesne Dukes
Durham College
Drake Bulldogs
Eastern Michigan Eagles
FAU Owls
FIU Golden Panthers
Franciscan University of Steubenville
Georgia State Panthers
Grand Valley Lakers
High Point University
Howard Payne University
Indiana Hoosiers
Kansas Jayhawks- Soon to come
Lindenwood Lions[2]
Louisville Cardinals
Jacksonville State Gamecocks
Loyola Marymount Lions
Lyndon State College
Maine Black Bears
Mercer University
Miami (OH)
Michigan Wolverines
Milwaukee Panthers
Mississippi State Bulldogs
Mount Olive College
Nebraska Cornhuskers
Nebraska-Omaha Mavericks
NMSU Aggies
NC State Wolfpack
Northern Illinois Huskies
Northwestern Wildcats (ending in 2012)[3]
Notre Dame Fighting Irish
University of Ontario Institute of Technology Ridgebacks
Saint Mary's Gaels
SIU Edwardsville Cougars
SMU Mustangs
Tennessee Volunteers
Texas A&M Aggies
Troy Trojans
UC Davis Aggies
UCLA Bruins
UIC Flames
ULM Warhawks
UMass Minutemen
Utah Valley Wolverines
Weber State Wildcats
Western Michigan Broncos
Wisconsin Badger- can't rough ridin' wait!

Not listed, Miami must have just got a new contract.

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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 10:57:33 AM
That's a 2012 list. It's shockingly hard to find who's all underneath contract with them.
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Post by: BMWWcat on September 27, 2017, 11:13:11 AM
scroll down to see under "adidas ncaa schools"

http://adidas-team.com/resources/links/ (http://adidas-team.com/resources/links/)
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Post by: renocat on September 27, 2017, 11:13:37 AM
Pitino gone according to SI also.  Should have canned for whoregate. CBS Sports saying Pearl @ Auburn under the gun.  This is fun.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 11:15:48 AM
crap. Did Baylor cancel their contract with them last year?
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 11:17:35 AM
Hmmm. Notre Dame is UA now, I know that. Baylor is Nike now. I  bet some of these rough ridin' schools jumped ship and saw the writing on the wall ahead of time.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 11:23:39 AM
In case no one knows what Yum is, it's their arena

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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 11:23:45 AM
come home, Rick.
Oh hell no
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2017, 11:27:33 AM
Lol at Bilas who was ESPNU radio trying to say this series of episodes wasn't being (at least) partially driven by one and done culture.  Knowing full well that his school is in the thick of one and done. 

No fucks given if I sound like a tuck in re: Bilas.  I'm getting tired of that dudes shtick while he's drawing a paycheck from (a grumbling) empire that made it's bones on college athletics and drove the business that is modern college athletics. 

eff that guy

WTF? You think people wouldn't cheat and funnel money if college basketball didn't have the NBA's one and done rule? I remember when there wasn't a one and done rule and there were lots of cheating ass coaches, right spracs?
What part of "partially" is confusing? How about the caveat of "this series of episodes" (which clearly indicates that there's many other forms of cheating and incidents of cheating)?

You seem to be confused by the word partially, not me. I'm confused as to how you can attribute any of this to one and dones, if it was happening before that was enacted.
Vaccaro: Apparel company schemes nothing new http://es.pn/2wV0oUR
I look forward to how you're going to call Sonny Vaccaro wrong to justify your rant against lib Bilas



There's also a newer pronounced element of "investment" in one and doners by outside parties, because they know they're going to get a quick return on their dime.   You seemed to be confused by what you said.  You implied that I am saying the only thing driving corruption (both in the past, now and in the future)in college basketball is one and done's.   Which is not what I said nor even implied.   The shoe companies have been up to shenanigans since before you were born, everyone already understands this.   But there were also sports agent firms raided by the FBI and people at that/those agencies arrested.   Agents have clearly always been a problem, but now they are doubling and tripling down because they're not waiting multiple years to make bank on some of these guys.  In fact, in some cases, they're making bank in 8 months.   

Had you heard the interview, Bilas pretty much dismissed the one and done element (element, not the entire issue) straight out, which is bullshit.   IMO he's doing that because Coach K is all-in on potential one and done recruits.    Jay has a bad habit of pointing fingers everywhere else in college athletics, but going radio silence on his alma mater, who pays its b-ball coach $5 million plus dollars a year, and just spent hundreds of millions of dollars on athletic facilities, after just spending hundreds of millions dollars on athletic facilities a few years ago.   Jay's "There's never enough money" Tweets are always pointing out big expenditures, big contracts and fancy facilities every where else, but not surprisingly, that never includes Duke.    Coach K is in national corporate advertising campaigns, and has always been one of Nike's top guys.  So Jay's hero is all-in on the big money element of college athletics, but you'll never hear that from Jay Bilas.

Dax, I appreciate the breakdown but I agree with Bilas, and I have no reason to shill for Duke and Coach K. College freshmen still got drafted before the one and done era. The market, if you want to call it that, for coaches to get kickbacks for funneling players to agents has and will always exist as long as amateurs are getting drafted to become professionals. We'll just have to agree to disagree, because I don't believe one has anything to do with the other. It's very possible to have this opinion and have it stand on its own without having to cover for someone or something.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 11:28:11 AM
Oh really, Jurich?

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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 11:30:23 AM
Looks like a board meeting is required to can Pitino but Jurich...



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Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2017, 11:33:25 AM
I wouldn't be doing my job as designated black guy if I didn't bring this up, but there seems to be an elephant in the room that we aren't addressing. Why just college basketball?

The shoe deal component of this is absolutely unique to college basketball and I won't pretend otherwise. However, there is no damn way men's college basketball is the only sport that has coaches getting paid to funnel players to someone with deep pockets. Should I expect football, baseball, and track next?
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Post by: Trim on September 27, 2017, 11:34:14 AM
I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.

The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.
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Post by: AtlantaWildcat on September 27, 2017, 11:38:59 AM
I just can't wait to see the white pinstriped suit on the sideline for the KU game in 2018!  :bball:
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 27, 2017, 11:51:16 AM
I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.

The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.

Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.

I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.
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Post by: Trim on September 27, 2017, 12:00:53 PM
I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.

The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.

Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.

I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.

Yeah, separate tracks I believe.  I've barely looked at it at all because college basketball, but on the shoe front I thought it was that adidas was paying someone to get supposed pro prospects to adidas schools with the idea that they'd be easily accessible by adidas people and sign with adidas once pro.

I guess it's like buying lottery tickets.  But who are some young players that are actually selling product, especially crap product like adidas basketball shoes? 

The only hoops shoes I've bought because of the player are Kamikazes and that's most recently been over a decade after he retired and certainly not to play in.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 12:03:23 PM
Dear lord, please! :pray:

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Post by: Skipper44 on September 27, 2017, 12:11:22 PM
I need to see the financial model for trying to lock down these nba hopefuls to adidas in the hopes that they'll sell shoes if they make it to nba obscurity in milwaukee or wherever.

The agent aspect of this makes a lot more sense to me.

Isn't the shoe component separate from the agent component? That's why guys who have never worked at an Adidas school, like Lamont, are involved.

I read it as the shoe thing coming into play with recruiting and the agent thing happens when a player becomes a pro prospect.

Yeah, separate tracks I believe.  I've barely looked at it at all because college basketball, but on the shoe front I thought it was that adidas was paying someone to get supposed pro prospects to adidas schools with the idea that they'd be easily accessible by adidas people and sign with adidas once pro.

I guess it's like buying lottery tickets.  But who are some young players that are actually selling product, especially crap product like adidas basketball shoes? 

The only hoops shoes I've bought because of the player are Kamikazes and that's most recently been over a decade after he retired and certainly not to play in.
I believe the shoe companies place greater value in steering the players to the schools they have big contracts with while winning the endorsement lotto is just icing. 

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Post by: manpow5 on September 27, 2017, 12:14:31 PM
Dear lord, please! :pray:


So many KU fans have been freaking out on twitter the past couple of days.... that or they have the "we don't need to cheat to be good, so obvs no way we were involved".
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 12:17:03 PM
They obviously cheat and also this. Lol

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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 12:18:26 PM
All the UL fans pledging loyalty to L1C4 is hilarious.

Can't wait to see the same from KU.
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Post by: Trim on September 27, 2017, 12:27:39 PM
I believe the shoe companies place greater value in steering the players to the schools they have big contracts with while winning the endorsement lotto is just icing. 

That makes more sense.  Still gotta wonder if the risk is worth it.  Feels like the only people who'd buy crap because of ku, louisville, etc. are hardcore fans who'd buy whatever clown shoes they're wearing regardless of how good they are. 
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Post by: pissclams on September 27, 2017, 12:44:37 PM
i wonder if this is why wally judge came to kstate
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Post by: Katdaddy on September 27, 2017, 01:12:31 PM
Yea I know I'm late for the party, but thought I'd leave this here for your reading enjoyment.

LOUISVILLE, Ky. — Louisville has placed coach Rick Pitino and athletic director Tom Jurich on administrative leave amid a federal bribery investigation.

Interim university President Greg Postel said at a news conference Wednesday that Jurich is on paid leave, while Pitino is on unpaid leave. The coach's attorney, Steve Spence, told the Courier-Journal that Louisville has "effectively fired" Pitino.

Neither Pitino nor Jurich attended the news conference.

"I'm more angry than embarrassed," Postel said. "We will be looking for someone with integrity. There's no reason this team can't have a good season.

"It is vital for this university to strictly adhere to the NCAA rules and of course federal law. Failure to do that would be a tacit endorsement of criminal behavior."

Pitino's exit comes after the school acknowledged on Tuesday that the men's program is part of a federal investigation into alleged bribery of recruits. The 65-year-old coach was not named in the indictment that resulted in the arrest of 10 people including four assistant coaches at other schools and an Adidas executive.

it is the latest black eye for the Cardinals program. Pitino and Louisville are in the middle of appealing NCAA sanctions handed out in June following an escort scandal that unfolded nearly two years ago, which could cost the school its 2013 national title.

Jurich has supported Pitino through his transgressions during the athletic director's nearly 20-year tenure at the university.

Pitino, 65, was 416-143 over 16 years at Louisville, including that 2013 NCAA championship.

In the latest investigation, federal prosecutors say at least three top high school recruits were promised payments of as much as $150,000, using money supplied by Adidas, to attend two universities sponsored by the athletic shoe company. Court papers didn't name the schools but contained enough details to identify one of them as Louisville.

Postel also said Wednesday that one student-athlete has been informed he will not practice or play for the university until investigation is resolved.

"This decision will protect the interests of both the student and the University of Louisville," Postel said.

Pitino is not named in the federal documents, though the school acknowledged it is under investigation by the FBI.

"These allegations come as a complete shock to me," the coach said in a statement Tuesday night. "If true, I agree with the U.S. Attorney's Office that these third-party schemes, initiated by a few bad actors, operated to commit a fraud on the impacted universities and their basketball programs, including the University of Louisville. Our fans and supporters deserve better and I am committed to taking whatever steps are needed to ensure those responsible are held accountable."

Louisville was already reeling from the sex scandal. The program has been ordered to vacate up to 123 victories in which ineligible players received improper benefits -- a period that includes the 2013 title, its third -- along with the 2012 Final Four appearance. The NCAA also placed the school on four years' probation and ordered the return of money received through conference revenue sharing. McGee received a 10-year, show-cause penalty.

Pitino was ordered to miss five unspecified Atlantic Coast Conference games this season.

The NCAA noted that Cardinal players and recruits had received improper benefits and called the activities in the dorm "repugnant" in its decision.

Pitino is 770-271 over a 32-year coaching career with stops at Hawaii, Boston, Providence and Kentucky, where he won the 1996 NCAA title. He has also coached in the NBA with the Boston Celtics and New York Knicks.

But that success has been overshadowed by a recent series of embarrassing episodes that began nearly two years ago with escort Katina Powell's book allegations that former Cardinals staffer Andre McGee hired her and other dancers for sex parties with players and recruits in the team's dormitory.

Powell wrote in "Breaking Cardinal Rules: Basketball and the Escort Queen" that former Cardinals men's basketball staffer Andre McGee hired her and other dancers to strip and have sex with players and recruits from 2010-14. Powell said McGee paid her $10,000 for 22 shows with most occurring in the team's Billy Minardi Hall dormitory named for Pitino's brother-in-law, who died in the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center in New York.

Pitino denied knowledge of the activities described in Powell's book and criticized McGee for his actions.

Before the sex scandal case, Pitino had to testify in 2010 in a federal extortion trial for the wife of the school's equipment manager, when he acknowledged under oath to having an extramarital affair with her in a Louisville restaurant.

Monday will mark two years since the escort scandal broke and sparked multiple investigations, including one by the school as well as the NCAA. Louisville's own investigation determined that violations did occur and announced in February 2016 a self-imposed postseason ban along with recruiting restrictions.

Those measures were implemented in hopes of mitigating further discipline by the NCAA, which accepted the self-imposed ban. That didn't happen. The NCAA's Committee on Infractions dismissed Pitino's contention that he was unaware of McGee's activities and imposed harsher penalties on the program and the coach.

Louisville's appeal contends that the NCAA overstepped its authority with "draconian" penalties. Pitino called the penalties "unjust and over the top in its severity" when announced on June 15.

Tuesday's indictment also occurs just over a month since Adidas and Louisville announced a 10-year, $160 million partnership extension through 2028. The sportswear maker has been partnered with the school since 1998.
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Post by: tdaver on September 27, 2017, 02:02:09 PM
Quote
We will be looking for someone with integrity. There's no reason this team can't have a good season.

oscar!
Squeaky clean - check
Win games immediately with a talented, inherited roster - check
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2017, 05:22:10 PM
Where's the Saban "you get a car" meme?   But I digress. 

KU fans, Kentucky fans are pure comedy when it comes to this stuff.

"we're so good we don't need to cheat". LOL.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 05:34:23 PM
Heh.(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170927/5718433a973cb8ca4803e40f624de677.jpg)
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Post by: Brock Landers on September 27, 2017, 06:17:30 PM
come home, Rick.
Oh hell no

No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.
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Post by: SdK on September 27, 2017, 06:24:56 PM
Have my darling Kentucky Wildcats been linked to anything yet? I'm out of the loop on all of this jazz.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 06:45:12 PM
That shirt is blue for a reason, so nah.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 27, 2017, 07:14:15 PM
Not yet! Love cheering for Blue along side my wife but Cal is sleazy.
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Post by: SdK on September 27, 2017, 07:24:18 PM
Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 27, 2017, 08:14:07 PM
Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
He's amazing at using other people's bank accounts. That's for sure.
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Post by: pissclams on September 27, 2017, 08:39:31 PM
Cal is amazing at all he does. He is a perfect fit at the best basketball college.
He's amazing at using other people's bank accounts. That's for sure.

it takes more than just being corrupt or using other people’ bank accounts or whatever that you think of calipari, to be as good as he is at what he does, which is win games and produce professional bballers
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Post by: mocat on September 27, 2017, 09:05:42 PM
Nope he just other people's bank accounts his way into final fours 247365
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Post by: SdK on September 27, 2017, 09:21:10 PM
Thanks, guys. That was real #1cat stuff. I appreciate it.
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Post by: ednksu on September 27, 2017, 10:18:32 PM
Reddit has a good thread going too.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/72kart/fbi_arrests_several_ncaa_asst_coaches_in/
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Post by: Pete on September 27, 2017, 10:25:13 PM
Highlights?
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Post by: ednksu on September 27, 2017, 10:34:47 PM
A lot of similar hbbiq stuff we see here.  Interesting to see them put together which schools and which players were referenced in the complaint.  I just did a quick scroll through for players myself. 
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Post by: bones129 on September 27, 2017, 11:45:13 PM
come home, Rick.
Oh hell no

No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.

Someone in the NBA will take Pitino. They shouldn't, but they will.
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Post by: muqluk on September 28, 2017, 12:44:24 AM
I wouldn't be doing my job as designated black guy if I didn't bring this up, but there seems to be an elephant in the room that we aren't addressing. Why just college basketball?

The shoe deal component of this is absolutely unique to college basketball and I won't pretend otherwise. However, there is no damn way men's college basketball is the only sport that has coaches getting paid to funnel players to someone with deep pockets. Should I expect football, baseball, and track next?

I sort of alluded to this earlier (pg 3). Wouldnt be surprised at all if indeed it does eventually uncover a few football programs as being involved as well.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2017, 05:47:03 AM
When the Adidas people start squealing to save themselves is when the crap really starts flying.
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Post by: pissclams on September 28, 2017, 08:05:16 AM
nike is in on this too, when is the other shoe going to drop
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2017, 08:27:27 AM
come home, Rick.
Oh hell no

No worries, Pitino is done at the college level. Probably NBA too.

Someone in the NBA will take Pitino. They shouldn't, but they will.

Nope. Too damaged, too unsuccessful in his first stint, and most importantly, waaaayyy too old.
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Post by: pissclams on September 28, 2017, 08:42:27 AM
yeah he's ancient, dude looks like skeletor from the castle of greyskull
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Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on September 28, 2017, 08:46:11 AM
nike is in on this too, when is the other shoe going to drop
well played
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Post by: wetwillie on September 28, 2017, 08:54:47 AM
yeah he's ancient, dude looks like skeletor from the castle of greyskull

He was signed thru 2026 :lol:
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 28, 2017, 08:56:48 AM
Nope he just other people's bank accounts his way into final fours 247365
LOOK. AT. YOU!
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 28, 2017, 12:37:06 PM
Big picture take with some explanations of the FBI interest.

https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-decided-college-basketballs-corruption-worth-time-171833684.html
Why feds decided college basketball's corruption was worth their time
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Post by: pissclams on September 28, 2017, 01:21:37 PM
Big picture take with some explanations of the FBI interest.

https://sports.yahoo.com/feds-decided-college-basketballs-corruption-worth-time-171833684.html
Why feds decided college basketball's corruption was worth their time

the tiny little baby lamb inside of me hopes to find out in the end that the ncaa worked hand in hand with the fbi throughout their investigation.

the tiny little baby minotaur inside of me knows that the ncaa is as complicit and dirty as the people they're supposed to have oversight of
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Post by: catastrophe on September 28, 2017, 01:31:41 PM
So obviously the HCs are going to deny any involvement because you'd have to be really really dumb to set it up otherwise, but if Frank or Brad was still at KSU we'd be on this list right?
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 28, 2017, 01:34:28 PM
I believe you are correct catastrophe.

As noted in that article, people are going to roll on each other. It gets real ugly shortly for many athletic departments.
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Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2017, 02:01:03 PM
the bets portion of this thread reminded me of the time MJ banned rusty from ksufans for a month based on some bet they had. so to hang out with rusty you had to go to OUHoops.com message board. so we all did. and then fatty scolded me for not having Michael Beasley as my avatar over there.
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Post by: meow meow on September 28, 2017, 02:14:25 PM
 :lol:
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Post by: Trim on September 28, 2017, 02:17:24 PM
:lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2017, 02:27:13 PM
A little dumpster diving:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/in-search-of-the-next-andrew-wiggins.html




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Post by: chum1 on September 28, 2017, 02:36:27 PM
For the first year or two, it seriously seemed like 80% of the posts on ksufans came from fatty and rusty. Not a bad thing.
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 28, 2017, 02:39:04 PM
the bets portion of this thread reminded me of the time MJ banned rusty from ksufans for a month based on some bet they had. so to hang out with rusty you had to go to OUHoops.com message board. so we all did. and then fatty scolded me for not having Michael Beasley as my avatar over there.
that's totes adorbs  :D
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Post by: mocat on September 28, 2017, 02:39:26 PM
irl :Rusty:
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Post by: Trim on September 28, 2017, 02:50:11 PM
:lol:

http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311215#msg311215

Man, just search "rusty month ban" in there.  :lol:
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Post by: Trim on September 28, 2017, 02:51:48 PM
:lol:

http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311837#msg311837
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Post by: pissclams on September 28, 2017, 02:57:51 PM
For the first year or two, it seriously seemed like 80% of the posts on ksufans came from fatty and rusty. Not a bad thing.

stunner and fatty's overnight spam sessions during and pre-GRCOAT :love:
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on September 28, 2017, 03:06:19 PM
:lol:

http://goEMAW.com/archives/index.php?topic=24232.msg311215#msg311215

Man, just search "rusty month ban" in there.  :lol:
bookcat with the typical bodybaggin of cRusty
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Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2017, 03:20:56 PM
I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009  :frown:
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 28, 2017, 03:21:21 PM
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Post by: steve dave on September 28, 2017, 03:22:04 PM
 :lol:
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2017, 04:17:10 PM
https://www.chatsports.com/kansas-jayhawks/a/sources-adidas-was-trying-steer-five-star-2018-recruit-kansas-35608

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Post by: kstofer on September 28, 2017, 05:15:20 PM
KU last Friday: Adidas contract extension worth lots of $$$!

KU Tuesday: Bad guy from Adidas didn't sign our contract

KU today: We don't actually have a signed contract with Adidas, we might change it
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2017, 05:52:28 PM
Lot of hawksplaining going on right now.

I really admire how they're so convinced that there's no way KU could be involved in any shenanigans.

It takes a special kind of diehard to continually extoll the notion that 5 star recruits engaged in the muck and the mire of the recruiting process choose KU simply because of their unmitigated desire to put on that Kansas uniform, while everyone else has to cheat. 

BTW, I really hope it goes all the way back to Beasley and Walker for us because it will be sort of a walk down memory lane to a time we really tried to be a basketball power (again).




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Post by: IPA4Me on September 28, 2017, 06:18:35 PM
Burning gear. It's just not for NFL fans.

Loserville fans are losing their minds.

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1635995556432191&id=100000652863705
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 28, 2017, 06:35:43 PM
I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009  :frown:

They still have this one. :lol:

http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22553
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 28, 2017, 07:06:52 PM
I think OUHoops deleted all their history prior to 2009  :frown:

They still have this one.

http://ouhoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=22553
Damn. That's a lot of bbs butthurt.
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Post by: Tobias on September 28, 2017, 07:27:02 PM
i totally forgot about that one :lol:
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Post by: ben ji on September 28, 2017, 08:20:18 PM
A little dumpster diving:

https://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/03/magazine/in-search-of-the-next-andrew-wiggins.html

Enjoyed reading that article, apparently Nike did not offer enough for Diallo

Quote
Dramé, who likes to refer to himself as the King of Mali, was hoping to finance an annual camp in Mali with the help of a sneaker company. One morning in Sacramento, he told me that a Nike representative visited him in his hotel room the previous evening, after midnight. When I asked what they talked about, he offered, simply, “Basketball.”

“I just texted Kevin Ollie,” Dramé said, referring to the head coach at Connecticut. “He wanted me to text him.”
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 28, 2017, 08:26:22 PM
Ben ji, thanks for getting this thread back on track after dorkstore central tried to wreck it with their dumbass old man glory days posts.
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Post by: puniraptor on September 28, 2017, 08:50:47 PM
is it only a concidence that my underwear that ripped in half was adidas?
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Post by: MakeItRain on September 28, 2017, 09:05:36 PM

That's amazing
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Post by: Trim on September 28, 2017, 10:58:42 PM
:lol:
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Post by: ednksu on September 29, 2017, 09:00:22 AM
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/72zwrm/rick_pitino_has_been_confirmed_as_coach2_in_the/

May slick Ricky Pitino might not get a job coaching at the Y.
"no one swings a bigger dick than [coach 2]" at Company 1. "All [coach 2 has to do] is pick up the phone and call somebody, [and say] these are my guys, they're taking care of us."
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2017, 09:04:41 AM
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 29, 2017, 09:18:14 AM
That's great!
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on September 29, 2017, 09:26:35 AM
It's a damn shame there is only one way to skin a cat right Bob......
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Post by: manpow5 on September 29, 2017, 09:44:01 AM

Apparently giving a kids mom a house in Manhattan as well as a well paying job is not allowing a player to have something over you......
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 29, 2017, 09:51:16 AM

Apparently giving a kids mom a house in Manhattan as well as a well paying job is not allowing a player to have something over you......

Apparently Huggs didn't go to that Bill Self/Doug Compton seminar at the Holiday Inn. 
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Post by: kso_FAN on September 29, 2017, 10:57:16 AM
Invalid Tweet ID
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Post by: Trim on September 29, 2017, 11:02:49 AM

Bunkie must have done a lot of digging to figure out who did it before deciding eff it, just post it himself w/o credit.
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Post by: renocat on September 29, 2017, 01:00:38 PM
http://www.kentucky.com/sports/spt-columns-blogs/sidelines-with-john-clay/article176095026.html
This article says Miller at AZ may be next to be canned.  Hinges on whether if he knew what his crooked coach was doing.  I have a hard time believing a head coach wouldn't.  Right USCarolina, Illinois
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Post by: EMAWzifried on September 29, 2017, 05:30:16 PM
Obvious smear campaign against the cleanest program in college basketball: https://www.chatsports.com/kansas-jayhawks/a/sources-adidas-was-trying-steer-five-star-2018-recruit-kansas-35608
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Post by: EMAWzifried on September 29, 2017, 05:36:05 PM
Oh come on Chat Sports, leave KU alooooooooone: https://www.chatsports.com/ncaa/a/3-nba-players-linked-sports-agent-charged-funneling-money-suspended-louisville-player-fbi-investigation-35613
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Post by: EMAWzifried on September 29, 2017, 05:55:15 PM
http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaabk/the-latest-ok-state-fires-assistant-tied-to-hoops-scandal/ar-AAsAiMH?li=BBmkt5R&ocid=spartanntp

The University of Kansas is conducting an internal review of its storied program after a nationwide federal bribery investigation uncovered rampant fraud and corruption in college basketball.

Associated athletic director Jim Marchiony tells The Associated Press that the Adidas-sponsored school has not been contacted by any law enforcement agencies, but it chose to review its program after the Department of Justice filed charges Tuesday against 10 people, including four college basketball coaches.
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Post by: Pete on September 29, 2017, 10:41:02 PM
I'm not sure there has really been true "amateur" sport in D1 football and basketball in my lifetime, at the highest levels of the sport, the elites and those trying to be elite.  Couple this with  my disdain of the American collegiate system giving money for scholarships to people who do not work hard a school, and I've had enough. eff it.  I hope it all turns into the way pro-soccer is run around the world.  You want to play sports?  Fine, do it in club teams.

Let's let schools be for teaching and learning, and the rough ridin' sports stuff can go figure it out on their own.  I'm just tired of it.
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Post by: IPA4Me on September 29, 2017, 10:43:23 PM
From UK ticket pickup...

https://mobile.twitter.com/Conor_WLEX/status/913950527079223296
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Post by: SdK on September 29, 2017, 11:37:01 PM
Now that's zeal
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Post by: chum1 on September 30, 2017, 10:42:19 PM
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Post by: IPA4Me on October 01, 2017, 07:46:14 AM
Things like this are going to make them dig deeper and deeper.

http://nypost.com/2017/09/30/father-of-ex-louisville-star-my-son-was-offered-100k-from-rival/
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Post by: BMWWcat on October 01, 2017, 11:51:36 AM
wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 01, 2017, 07:26:20 PM
wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:

Not to rain on the parade but it very well may have been Baylor as well.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 01, 2017, 07:34:23 PM
Baylor exploits our lord and saviour for its competitive advantage.
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Post by: Pete on October 01, 2017, 10:09:15 PM
Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho.   If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.
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Post by: SdK on October 01, 2017, 10:12:19 PM
Kentucky and Cal still good, right?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 01, 2017, 11:02:45 PM
Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho.   If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.

Then why does he recruit players of such marginal character?
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Post by: Pete on October 02, 2017, 09:00:07 AM
Bill Self might actually be a guy who can get someone to play for him for free tho.   If he were, say, the coach of any other school, KSU fans would like him.

Then why does he recruit players of such marginal character?


He hasn't recruited a murderer, so he's one step ahead of LHCBS I suppose.
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Post by: Pete on October 02, 2017, 09:04:12 AM
The more I think about it, Fake Sugar Dick, the more I think Bill Self probably focuses on guys who are super good at playing basketball and can help him win the conference every rough ridin' year.  Though, I am not a mind reader, and am merely  speculating.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 02, 2017, 02:43:31 PM
Pete, nobody disagrees that Bill Self is a win at all cost coach who recruits players with criminally violent tendencies and no interest in pursuing higher education. That fact tends to bely your deluded proposition that players want to play for him for free. Indeed, the cost of bringing players of such poor character to a university and maintaining their eligibility through various shams and frauds is tremendous.
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Post by: Pete on October 02, 2017, 07:58:58 PM
Fair point.  Works tho.
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Post by: manpow5 on October 03, 2017, 08:53:01 AM
wonder who that "other school in the big 12" with an adidas contract was??? Oh yeah, its ku...LOLZ. :ROFL:

Not to rain on the parade but it very well may have been Baylor as well.

Okie lite?  :dunno:
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Post by: pissclams on October 03, 2017, 09:25:56 AM
they're nike
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Post by: Pete on October 03, 2017, 11:43:13 AM
We should switch to Adidas right now.  Maybe they will overpay for association with a program that would never do anything to upset any other schools over recruiting.
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Post by: Pete on October 03, 2017, 11:43:50 AM
The Adidas Ultraboost running shoes are the best I have ever worn!
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Post by: EMAWzifried on October 03, 2017, 05:43:16 PM
Their BB uniforms are always horrible, tho.
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Post by: Trim on October 03, 2017, 05:55:44 PM
Their BB uniforms are always horrible, tho.

https://youtu.be/diYAc7gB-0A?t=2m04s
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on October 12, 2017, 11:23:04 AM
Ruh-roh  :ohno:

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Post by: catastrophe on October 12, 2017, 12:27:18 PM
Meh, of course they're being investigated. Still fun to read the comments of those who feel the MEDIA :curse: is out to get KU.
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Post by: Pete on October 13, 2017, 05:33:25 PM
My gut tells me that the KU student newspaper isn't onto a story here.  But, maybe everyone whiffed and the student newspaper nailed.
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Post by: bucket on October 23, 2017, 04:35:30 PM

Too bad Frank is caught up in this too, right?
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Post by: MakeItRain on October 23, 2017, 04:38:26 PM

Too bad Frank is caught up in this too, right?

We have no idea. Evans was personally profiting from the scheme, there's been nothing tying him to any head coach he's worked for.
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Post by: SdK on October 23, 2017, 06:31:23 PM
Damn Coach Cal is great.
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Post by: ednksu on October 25, 2017, 12:34:20 AM
http://www.espn.com/college-sports/story/_/id/21143729/louisville-cardinals-blasts-former-ad-tom-jurich-firing-letter

Amazing the AD's firing was unanimous. 
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Post by: SdK on October 25, 2017, 03:37:24 PM
Damn Coach Cal is great.
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentuckys-john-calipari-buys-2000-student-tickets-for-charity-exhibition-game/ (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/kentuckys-john-calipari-buys-2000-student-tickets-for-charity-exhibition-game/)
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Post by: meow meow on October 25, 2017, 04:12:46 PM
no one cares
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Post by: IPA4Me on October 26, 2017, 07:45:05 AM
SDK cares. ;)
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Post by: SdK on October 26, 2017, 08:07:43 AM
SDK cares. ;)
This. Qft. CanCo.
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Post by: bucket on February 15, 2018, 06:06:58 PM
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Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 06:07:53 PM
I hope it's a complete wasteland with no survivors and then some young new coaches come in and whip oscar weber's ass and we finally fire him
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Post by: bucket on February 15, 2018, 06:13:18 PM
I hope it's a complete wasteland with no survivors and then some young new coaches come in and whip oscar weber's ass and we finally fire him

"almost half of the 16 teams the NCAA showed on its initial NCAA tournament show this weekend should worry about their appearance being vacated.”

"there’s potentially as many 50 college basketball programs that could end up compromised in some way."
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Post by: pissclams on February 15, 2018, 06:30:51 PM
the ncaa isn’t about to sanction anyone that could disrupt its cash cow

that said, I do like steve dave’s idea on whipping oscar brett weber’s ass
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 15, 2018, 06:59:24 PM
Will Big XII vacate some conference titles?
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Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 07:25:15 PM
KU isn't getting touched FYI
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 15, 2018, 07:46:45 PM
Yup.  If KU,UK,UNC, and Duke skate, it was all for naught.
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Post by: steve dave on February 15, 2018, 07:58:49 PM
you dillholes shouldn't be rooting for your favorites. I just hope that the guilty burn. if that's us, so be it. burn. taking your time to hope it's some team you don't like is super losery.
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Post by: wetwillie on February 15, 2018, 08:21:43 PM
lol @ us getting any penalties
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Post by: stunted on February 15, 2018, 09:03:05 PM
is the fbi looking into it? i dont think they'd give a eff about blue bloods.

it's possible that oscar is the best non-cheating coach in the world, and once all the cheaters get wiped out, ksu will rise to the top.
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 15, 2018, 10:00:11 PM
I am totally ready for kitn.  No matter what,  I will cherish hugs and frank.
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Post by: renocat on February 16, 2018, 06:22:32 AM
Leave the sewer alone dammit.  Clean it out, and soon it will be filling full of turds.  Cheating is an art form that never goes away.  Just turn all College P5 into a capitalistic enterprise.  Hell sell it to WWE.  Make the coaches rassle for first possession.  Get ugly buxom old hags for cheerleaders.  Put Willie in overalls, Haystack Willie.

Stupid?  Yes.  Any more stupid than expecting we will have Oscar clean basketball?  No.

It is pitiful that we hope for this because we think it will give us a chance to do better.
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Post by: manpow5 on February 16, 2018, 11:37:52 AM
I just want to see a bunch of videos of college coaches offices getting raided by the FBI and them being brought out in handcuffs and yelling that they didn't do it. Like, film it and put it on Cops type stuff.
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 16, 2018, 02:27:41 PM
I just want to see a bunch of videos of college coaches offices getting raided by the FBI and them being brought out in handcuffs and yelling that they didn't do it. Like, film it and put it on Cops type stuff.
If it was Roy, I'd make it my wallpaper
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Post by: deputy dawg on February 16, 2018, 02:28:47 PM
If it was Massa Seff, I'd try my hand at Photoshop.
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Post by: manpow5 on February 16, 2018, 02:51:24 PM
If it was Massa Seff, I'd try my hand at Photoshop.

You can start with this

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DS0psPwU0AE6MLZ.jpg)
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Post by: 8manpick on February 16, 2018, 03:07:59 PM
Damn FBI and their liberal agenda!
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Post by: Pete on February 16, 2018, 09:47:52 PM
I hope this thing just crushes the entire D1 basketball situation as we know it.  Nuke the whole thing back to the intramural level and then slowly rebuild it.  Meanwhile, let the guys who want to play basketball for a living go play basketball for a living...I hope European and Chinese leagues feast on American 18 year olds and make those kids rich....force the NBA to drop it's ridiculous "1 year post high school" requirement" for fear of losing the best players.

I am rooting for professional basketball to turn out like professional soccer and professional baseball.  Take the players young and pay them to be professionals.  Leave the universities to education.
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Post by: steve dave on February 17, 2018, 06:43:28 AM
Agree 100% Pete


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Post by: Pete on February 17, 2018, 08:09:17 AM



Then saw this in another article:

"Self, Syracuse's Jim Boeheim, Kentucky's John Calipari, Michigan State's Tom Izzo, Duke's Mike Krzyzewski and North Carolina's Roy Williams are the six active NCAA men's basketball coaches in the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame. Four of the six programs appeared in the NCAA Selection Committee's sneak peek at the top 16 seeds in this year's NCAA Tournament bracket last weekend."
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 17, 2018, 08:29:45 AM
I think not much will happen. Maybe one more Pitino like situation or something, but that's about it.
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Post by: catastrophe on February 17, 2018, 08:46:27 AM
Same. This feels like the Nunes memo.
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Post by: Joker on February 17, 2018, 10:00:41 AM
Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here.  Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2018, 01:32:23 PM
Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here.  Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.

With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?
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Post by: pissclams on February 17, 2018, 01:39:47 PM
lol, duke isn’t getting busted
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 17, 2018, 01:44:37 PM
lol, chill, just throwing them out since they are coached by one of the six hall of fame coaches allegedly involved in this. I don't know or care who it is.
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Post by: ben ji on February 18, 2018, 10:33:02 AM
Kurtis Townsend has made a career out of being a bagman so there is a 100% chance he is on the wiretaps. I think our guy Self was smart enough to keep some distance between himself and the nitty gritty contract details.
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Post by: Joker on February 18, 2018, 01:55:32 PM
Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here.  Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.

With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?

It just seems like bad business to me.  I think most of the diehards accept the fact that there are shady dealings going on behind the scenes.  It's just a part of big time hoops.  The casual fans probably don't care either way.  They just want to see familiar faces play exciting games.
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Post by: #LIFE on February 18, 2018, 02:57:26 PM
How much money switched hands for oscar Weber to cover up a highway shooting spree with 1 of his players?
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 18, 2018, 03:40:45 PM
Townsend is definitely part
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Post by: hatingfrancisco on February 18, 2018, 05:05:28 PM
Not enough obviously seeing as how everyone knows it.

but you know that.  this your thing now. 

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Post by: manpow5 on February 19, 2018, 08:04:46 AM
The guy leading the investigation is probably some guy who got jaded by the big programs when he went to go play college ball and now he's got the power and is going to get his revenge.... when all the blue bloods are crying and begging saying, "C'mon, give us a chance!", he'll turn around and just like Horatio Cane from CSI: Miami and will slowely pull off his sunglasses and say in a raspy deep voice, "Well maybe you should have done that for me" and then walk off in to the sunset.
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Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 19, 2018, 09:46:31 AM
The guy leading the investigation is probably some guy who got jaded by the big programs when he went to go play college ball and now he's got the power and is going to get his revenge.... when all the blue bloods are crying and begging saying, "C'mon, give us a chance!", he'll turn around and just like Horatio Cane from CSI: Miami and will slowely pull off his sunglasses and say in a raspy deep voice, "Well maybe you should have done that for me" and then walk off in to the sunset.
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Post by: Big Sam on February 19, 2018, 02:07:30 PM
Hard to imagine the NCAA stomping on its own nut sack here.  Setting an example with a single big time program is one thing, but taking down several of the biggest draws would be crazy.

With who? It won't stop diehard college basketball fans from loving college basketball, no one else cares until the tournament, you think the people who just watch championship week and the tournament will stop because Kansas, Duke, and Michigan State gets busted?

It just seems like bad business to me.  I think most of the diehards accept the fact that there are shady dealings going on behind the scenes.  It's just a part of big time hoops.  The casual fans probably don't care either way.  They just want to see familiar faces play exciting games.

The tourney would be just as good for the average viewer if NE Valdosta State played Colgate - they know those just as well as most of the other teams in the field.

In a way, at least for one year the sheer insanity of the tourney minus about 50 power conference and elite mid-major programs out of the mix would be very interesting to watch just for what could be an across the board competitive nature to the games and the realization you have no idea who could win the thing.

Just my take (and some of my HS students' as well).
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Post by: Pete on February 20, 2018, 05:15:09 PM
I'd watch that!
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 20, 2018, 07:49:34 PM
People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.
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Post by: Pete on February 21, 2018, 01:00:29 PM
People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.


Agreed. It seems we have an uneasy alliance once again, Fake Sugar Dick.
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Post by: Trim on February 21, 2018, 01:23:39 PM
When looking for tournament replacement teams, the NCAA should focus on schools that have unique team names to get more people involved with bracket pools.
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2018, 04:44:57 PM
When looking for tournament replacement teams, the NCAA should focus on schools that have unique team names to get more people involved with bracket pools.

JYC's would be in all time
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 21, 2018, 10:20:36 PM
People will watch anything they've bet any sum of money on, it doesn't matter the product. It's like watching a 3 week long 63 team parlay unfold.


Agreed. It seems we have an uneasy alliance once again, Fake Sugar Dick.

I'd watch rubber dickies float from one side of a bathtub to another for hours if I had 5 on it (and a fifth of whiskey and some pals with 5 on it)
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 22, 2018, 07:53:34 PM
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Post by: manpow5 on February 22, 2018, 09:30:04 PM

"If you have had a top draft pick in the last three years, you should be worried"

Welp, that settles it. We good!
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 22, 2018, 11:14:32 PM
Cartier Martin is an ASM client  :ohno:
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Post by: GregKSU1027 on February 23, 2018, 06:43:23 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true

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Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2018, 07:22:46 AM
Cartier Martin is an ASM client  :ohno:

Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 07:47:02 AM
https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true

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This is no surprise but yahoo sports oversold the hell out of this.
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Post by: 8manpick on February 23, 2018, 07:52:06 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 23, 2018, 08:25:42 AM
So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk?  Obviously it’s early
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Post by: Skipper44 on February 23, 2018, 08:26:06 AM
Cartier Martin is an ASM client  :ohno:

Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
Chris Salinas was Wool's dob or dov and David Salinas was the dad running the Houston aau team and a ponzi scheme on cbb coaches
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Post by: Kat Kid on February 23, 2018, 08:31:07 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low

I thought so too, but I think they may just be opening bids and the total amount for a kid with multiple offers is ~5x?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 23, 2018, 08:31:58 AM
:jerkoff:

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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 23, 2018, 08:34:15 AM
Hello, KU

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 23, 2018, 08:35:02 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low
All I want is admission that the "Blue Bloods" were playing under different rules and some minor penalties to the schools.  Was beyond annoyed at Roy's we're clean, kids dream about KU, spitting in the Kaw routine.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on February 23, 2018, 08:35:47 AM
Elijah Johnson got $15k+  :lol:
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Post by: 8manpick on February 23, 2018, 08:36:27 AM
Hello, KU

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/sports/exclusive-federal-documents-detail-sweeping-potential-ncaa-violations-involving-high-profile-players-schools-103338484.html?__twitter_impression=true
Thanks, Fake Sugar Luke, (WARNING NOT THE REAL SUGAR LUKE!)
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Post by: renocat on February 23, 2018, 08:52:54 AM
I am aghast!  Frank'em ruined.  Running a dirty program.
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2018, 08:58:18 AM
Cartier Martin is an ASM client  :ohno:

Yeah, I remember that we had the inside track to Joseph Jones (ended up at aTm) after Cartier, but Weiser shut it down. I don't remember the name of the AAU coach that he banned Wooly from working with (or something like that).
Chris Salinas was Wool's dob or dov and David Salinas was the dad running the Houston aau team and a ponzi scheme on cbb coaches

Thanks. I thought there was a connection with that ponzi scheme too, but I couldn't remember. That guy was a crook.
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Post by: Steffy08 on February 23, 2018, 09:04:59 AM
Can someone summarize?

Is Bill Self going to jail?

If so, is there any chance he is cuffed this weekend in the middle of the game?
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Post by: Poster formerly known as jthutch on February 23, 2018, 09:06:09 AM
WSU dolling out the big money to Van Vleet. $1000  :ROFL:
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Post by: wetwillie on February 23, 2018, 09:22:18 AM
My understanding is the agent was lending money to the player to incent them to sign with them in the future not the school paying the player to come to their school
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Post by: IPA4Me on February 23, 2018, 09:23:27 AM
Haven't they already outed the dirty coaches and now it's just hitting the players/parents?

Also, beems is already pleading the case...

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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 23, 2018, 09:26:05 AM
Beems is right that a school really shouldn't be able to hire a dad to coach there.
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 23, 2018, 09:26:35 AM
Can someone summarize?

Is Bill Self going to jail?

If so, is there any chance he is cuffed this weekend in the middle of the game?
Too big to fail.  NCAA is going to figure out a way to punish their cash cows without hurting their ability to make money.  Coaches are going to scream bloody murder knowing that they will be compensated for going along with the charade.
Could see Izzo getting kicked due to the other negatives and physically meeting with the agents.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:51:12 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low

So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk?  Obviously it’s early

Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
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Post by: kso_FAN on February 23, 2018, 10:15:24 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low

So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk?  Obviously it’s early

Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?

Yep. I imagine the compliance people at all of these schools are scrambling right now to figure out what to do. They've probably been doing it a while though, I imagine most knew something was going to drop, it was just a matter of when it would happen.
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Post by: DOD Take 2 on February 23, 2018, 10:19:39 AM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low

So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk?  Obviously it’s early

Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?

Yep. I imagine the compliance people at all of these schools are scrambling right now to figure out what to do. They've probably been doing it a while though, I imagine most knew something was going to drop, it was just a matter of when it would happen.

With Louisville a lot was tied back to coaches there. It’s possible more of this will be tied to coaches at these schools as it gets further along
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Post by: Cire on February 23, 2018, 10:20:41 AM
question is whether a school SHOULD know.

I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 11:10:28 AM
question is whether a school SHOULD know.

I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.

Yeah, in that case, the mechanism that's set up has that as 100% on the NCAA Clearinghouse, although you'd have to wonder what the hell ku admissions were looking at.
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Post by: pissclams on February 23, 2018, 11:19:06 AM
josh jackson’s mom’s name is apples!!!
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Post by: 114Hickory on February 23, 2018, 11:38:16 AM
question is whether a school SHOULD know.

I mean, Darrell Arthur didn't graduate high school but the school and NCAA didn't catch it so no fault of Kansas.

Yeah, in that case, the mechanism that's set up has that as 100% on the NCAA Clearinghouse, although you'd have to wonder what the hell ku admissions were looking at.

A wink and nod from the clearing house.  None of this news is a surprise.
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Post by: Skipper44 on February 23, 2018, 12:37:15 PM
The dollar amounts there are shockingly low

So far it looks like current players might be done and coaches and schools walk?  Obviously it’s early

Nope, for most of these amounts there would be a suspension imposed and the player would have to pay the amount back. This is what happened with Jake and Curt. Also happened with a ku basketball player at the beginning of the season a couple of years ago, don't remember which one. Josh Jackson? Embiid?
Josh Selby was one - they tried to say the agent had a pre existing relationship and the ncaa made him pay ~$8k iirc
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Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2018, 12:43:05 PM
josh jackson’s mom’s name is apples!!!

Would that her surname were Jackson  :frown:
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Post by: pissclams on February 23, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
what if her surname was golden delicious
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Post by: wetwillie on February 23, 2018, 01:30:07 PM
I think that’s what bill self called her
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Post by: pissclams on February 23, 2018, 01:33:13 PM
:lol:
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Post by: LibDerp7BubbleBoy on February 23, 2018, 01:39:12 PM
It's rumored that when Josh Jackson was engaging in felony property destruction he yelled out "how do you like them, apples?!?"
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 23, 2018, 02:01:18 PM
sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 02:06:43 PM
sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut

So this dude was giving kids and parents money in exchange for future considerations when they hire an agent, you gotta keep that straight somehow. This guy was a greedy prick so instead of doing this for a couple of dudes, this idiot was trying to gladhand every damn draft project.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on February 23, 2018, 02:07:55 PM
sorry if i missed it, but someone just had a incriminating excel sheet sitting around? wut

So this dude was giving kids and parents money in exchange for future considerations when they hire an agent, you gotta keep that straight somehow. This guy was a greedy prick so instead of doing this for a couple of dudes, this idiot was trying to gladhand every damn draft project.

i see. He needed to keep that crap on the dark web.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 23, 2018, 02:24:59 PM
Guys I know this isn't exactly the most radical of opinions but holy crap I would gladly have our wild purplecats at the center of this FBI probe if it meant we had a final four banner in the same time span. I would take it so hard even if we had to officially vacate the entire season a year or 2 after the fact.
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Post by: BostonPancake on February 23, 2018, 02:31:55 PM
When nothing happens to any of these schools and they all get away with it*, I am going to be so pissed that we weren't cheating. 

*If there really is anything to get away with.
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Post by: wetwillie on February 23, 2018, 02:47:58 PM
Guys I know this isn't exactly the most radical of opinions but holy crap I would gladly have our wild purplecats at the center of this FBI probe if it meant we had a final four banner in the same time span. I would take it so hard even if we had to officially vacate the entire season a year or 2 after the fact.

There are no shortcuts and cheaters never prosper, sad what the big city has done to your moral compass.
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Post by: Yard Dog on February 23, 2018, 02:49:46 PM
Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
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Post by: Joker on February 23, 2018, 03:53:31 PM
Nothin' to see here, folks.


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Post by: KITNfury on February 23, 2018, 07:49:03 PM
I'm pretty underwhelmed by all of this after the hype.
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Post by: catastrophe on February 23, 2018, 08:44:45 PM
Called it. (The underwhelming part)
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Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 09:13:43 PM
https://www.linkedin.com/in/christopher-paul-salinas-931a02a4/
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:16:03 PM
OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
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Post by: 8manpick on February 23, 2018, 09:17:57 PM
Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?
He was mentioned in 2016 taking an advance. Bad money management, but no violations there
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Post by: 8manpick on February 23, 2018, 09:19:38 PM
OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.

This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far
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Post by: wetwillie on February 23, 2018, 09:22:32 PM
OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0



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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:23:46 PM
Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?

They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.
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Post by: BostonPancake on February 23, 2018, 09:24:20 PM
Oh boy.

 :bwpopcorn:
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Post by: sys on February 23, 2018, 09:26:59 PM
Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?

They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.

malik beasley, heh.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:27:41 PM
OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.

This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far

Yahoo didn't get the good stuff, I wonder if the FBI tipped them off as a final warning for people to come forth. They're getting ready to burn this bitch down.

Five seed, here we come.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:28:53 PM
Wildcat Salute had a discussion going about Micheal Beasley being mentioned. Is there a statute of limitations on how / when a crime was committed and if that effects KSU at all?

They're illiterate dumb fucks, this probe doesn't come close to that time frame, they're only off by a rough ridin' decade.

malik beasley, heh.

To salute posters, they're all the same
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Post by: steve dave on February 23, 2018, 09:32:03 PM
OH crap!!!
Sources: Wiretaps show Miller talked payment http://es.pn/2ChetU0
My wife is an IU grad, so I’m super interested in this. Adidas school, Sean’s brother, etc.

This is by far the biggest bomb dropped so far

Yahoo didn't get the good stuff, I wonder if the FBI tipped them off as a final warning for people to come forth. They're getting ready to burn this bitch down.

Five seed, here we come.

Yep!


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Post by: MakeItRain on February 23, 2018, 09:45:04 PM
Back to the Andy Miller thing for a sec, it appears to be good news, bad news for Frank. He might have to take his final four banner down, doubt it, but if Bowen only took $7000, Frank might get him a Mcd All-American next year.
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Post by: Trim on February 23, 2018, 10:40:13 PM
I like this: http://sportspressnw.com/2238875/2018/thiel-hoops-scandal-imperils-all-ncaa-sports
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Post by: justanotherguy on February 23, 2018, 10:46:12 PM
In the same email, Dawkins summarized a meeting with Apples Jones, the mother of Kansas’ Josh Jackson and a self-styled AAU entrepreneur: “His situation is going to get done at the very end. UA is giving her 10k a month and she’s also getting paid by adidas now — so she’s plenty taken care of. She actually works all of under armours events now and talks to the parents as a “advisor”. I do think she’s honest when she says she has only spoken with (agent) Bj Armstrong at this point. After further dialog I don’t think Duffy will be in there — but you can’t count him out ever. We will have to discuss how we will handle the moms boyfriend moving forward.” (A Kansas official pointed to their statement earlier Friday
https://sports.yahoo.com/black-market-diaries-emails-hoops-corruption-case-detail-inner-workings-sports-underbelly-030605930.html

Apparently Josh's mom ran her own AAU program.  Smart
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Post by: AppleJack on February 23, 2018, 11:10:31 PM
There are few people in North America I find more annoying than Jay Bilas.
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Post by: Pete on February 23, 2018, 11:17:19 PM
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I love the crap out of this.
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Post by: Pete on February 24, 2018, 12:38:05 AM
This thing has been a fun ride so far.  I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them.  I'm a dreamer though.
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Post by: KITNfury on February 24, 2018, 05:42:40 AM
The Miller wiretap is juicy and not underwhelming
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Post by: Pete on February 24, 2018, 07:12:36 AM
The Miller wiretap is juicy and not underwhelming


Very!  I wonder who is on the other thousands of hours of recorded wire taps, given the the wide array of schools in the written documents? 
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Post by: 8manpick on February 24, 2018, 07:36:08 AM
This thing has been a fun ride so far.  I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them.  I'm a dreamer though.
If by that you mean the downfall of the billion dollar entertainment industries getting away with giving their performers a tiny chunk of the money they make on their backs, then I’m on board.
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Post by: Pete on February 24, 2018, 10:07:29 AM
This thing has been a fun ride so far.  I am still very optimistic that this leads to the downfall of NCAA sports as we know them.  I'm a dreamer though.
If by that you mean the downfall of the billion dollar entertainment industries getting away with giving their performers a tiny chunk of the money they make on their backs, then I’m on board.

Yep! 
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Post by: The Big Train on February 24, 2018, 11:10:37 AM
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Post by: Pete on February 24, 2018, 12:31:26 PM
Meh, Arizona didn’t give a eff about the money.  They want to win.
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Post by: sys on February 24, 2018, 12:50:04 PM
i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right?  so that's meaningless.
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Post by: Joker on February 24, 2018, 01:30:20 PM
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Post by: Pete on February 24, 2018, 02:07:09 PM
i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right?  so that's meaningless.


Yeah, that has to be wrong, or most likely being interpreted wrong.
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Post by: ChiCat on February 24, 2018, 02:24:30 PM
i mean, you can just fire anyone without cause whenever, right?  so that's meaningless.


Yeah, that has to be wrong, or most likely being interpreted wrong.

Unless Bob Krause wrote the contract
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Post by: pissclams on February 24, 2018, 02:29:03 PM
is az a right to work state? there’s your answer
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 24, 2018, 02:54:29 PM
Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?
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Post by: Joker on February 24, 2018, 03:30:30 PM
Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?


Miller is denying it.  Bridges and Ayton have been cleared to play.


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Post by: HELLHAMMER on February 24, 2018, 04:57:28 PM
Miller is done right? what about his center and Miles Bridges, they cant possibly play now can they?


Miller is denying it.  Bridges and Ayton have been cleared to play.



(http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRVvHGDKxLjWsI5x0TtGccIGtVqGs6RoPjtLfvefaBhC7YRsC8i)
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 24, 2018, 06:27:35 PM
I guess the players can claim they never got money  :dunno: the agent must have it.
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Post by: Joker on February 24, 2018, 07:06:52 PM
Ayton is claming more than that.


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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 24, 2018, 08:13:01 PM
Will they Manafort his ass
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Post by: BMWWcat on February 24, 2018, 08:26:13 PM
Of course everyone is denying taking any money under the table that they did not report to the IRS...
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Post by: dal9 on February 24, 2018, 08:35:41 PM
Will they Manafort his ass
technically it could be on the table  now
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Post by: wetwillie on February 24, 2018, 10:51:13 PM
I mean cam newton still vehemently maintains his innocence
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 24, 2018, 11:08:08 PM
Well he better be innocent, because this agent is looking at time and probably has the proof if he gave the dough to Ayton
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on February 24, 2018, 11:10:17 PM
This criminal structure they have set up may not be easy to crack in all the other cases I assume are going on.
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Post by: manpow5 on February 26, 2018, 01:54:32 AM
They're trying to bait other coaches. They're using the ASU coach to scare other coaches to either move money around, come forward to make a deal, or get them to contact someone involved while the FBI has them wire tapped/under surveillance.
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Post by: Joker on March 01, 2018, 12:41:03 PM
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Post by: renocat on March 01, 2018, 01:16:38 PM
Referees?
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Post by: Joker on March 01, 2018, 01:51:17 PM
Well, somebody is lying.


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Post by: Dlew12 on March 01, 2018, 02:26:50 PM
this is going to turn out very interesting.

if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.
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Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2018, 04:12:14 PM
Interesting twist.
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Post by: wetwillie on March 01, 2018, 04:16:01 PM
Can’t wait for the FBI press conference rebuttal
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Post by: ChiCat on March 01, 2018, 04:24:51 PM
this is going to turn out very interesting.

if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.

I think Miller likely did it and has nothing to lose by fighting it.  If it's true, he'll never coach NCAA ball again regardless of what he does now.  I know what they said about firing for cause in his contract but I don't think that's true.  His best bet is to show that he'll fight everything so he can get the best buyout possible in the end.
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Post by: 114Hickory on March 01, 2018, 04:49:46 PM
Plausible deniability even if it's not really plausible is the recommended approach here.
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Post by: pissclams on March 01, 2018, 04:53:56 PM
he’s innocent imo and I am basically a human lie detector so fwiw
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Post by: Dlew12 on March 01, 2018, 04:57:08 PM
i do find it interesting that Arizona's compliance department apparently has no problem playing ayton.

compare that with the bad timeline presented by Schlabach and all of a sudden miller's denials seem more plausible than they did a week ago.
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Post by: pissclams on March 01, 2018, 05:53:28 PM
i do find it interesting that Arizona's compliance department apparently has no problem playing ayton.

compare that with the bad timeline presented by Schlabach and all of a sudden miller's denials seem more plausible than they did a week ago.

should be a fun lawsuit
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2018, 06:48:09 PM
Well, somebody is lying.



this is going to turn out very interesting.

if i was mark schlabach i'd be pretty nervous i got some bad information.

Schlabach didn't report either of the two things Miller denied doing. The report was that Miller was on tape discussing payment of $100,000 to Ayton. No one said that Miller paid anyone anything. Notice Miller didn't deny the existence of the phone call.
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Post by: Spracne on March 01, 2018, 06:51:18 PM
Miller is living on borrowed time. Those tapes exist, and he's gone whenever they enter the public record. Although I guess if everyone pleads out, they may never...

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Post by: MakeItRain on March 01, 2018, 08:04:02 PM
Man, Arizona does not GAF, they are leaning into the cheating, with a little help from the NCAA.

Allonzo Trier somehow cleared to play even though he gave the wackest excuse for a failed test ever.

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On the same day as university officials announced they were retaining head coach Sean Miller, Arizona learned it would be getting one of its star players back too.

The NCAA cleared guard Allonzo Trier to play Thursday night against Stanford after he won his appeal seeking to invalidate a failed drug test.

Attorney Steve Thompson argued that traces of a banned substance found in Trier’s system in late January were actually remnants left over from when he first tested positive in 2016. Thompson told Yahoo Sports last Thursday that both Trier’s positive tests were for Ostarine, a chemical compound that mimics the muscle-building and fat-burning effects of anabolic steroids.

Trier avoided a season-long suspension last year by successfully arguing he had ingested Ostarine inadvertently before the 2016-17 season when his stepfather mixed it into a drink. He returned after 19 games last January because that was when tests showed the Ostarine he ingested had fully cleared his system.

“Allonzo has never been a drug-cheat, and the NCAA found in 2016 that he never took Ostarine intentionally,” Thompson told Yahoo Sports last week. “The experts tell us Ostarine can be stored in fatty tissues for a long time, and tests can be negative but then later be positive as the substance comes out.  The medical evidence also shows that the reappearance of a trace amount in his system now creates absolutely zero competitive advantage.”

Anti-doping experts who spoke to Yahoo Sports earlier this week questioned whether it was plausible for a detectable amount of Ostarine to stay in Trier’s system for well over a year. Don Catlin, founder and former director of the UCLA Olympic Analytical Laboratory, said it added to his skepticism that Trier passed multiple random drug screenings in between the NCAA lifting his suspension 13 months ago and his most recent positive test in late January.

“If the original positive finding was indeed due to inadvertent use of Ostarine in a drink provided by Trier’s father, as opposed to purposeful use of an Ostarine supplement by Trier, then it would be highly unlikely that he would test positive a year later from the original inadvertent use,” Catlin told Yahoo Sports. “Certainly a number of negative results in between support the conclusion that the most recent positive was not connected to the original inadvertent use.

“While hydration, which can affect pH of a urine sample, could be a factor and can influence results, it would not seem a very plausible explanation for a positive drug test occurring a year after inadvertent use of Ostarine. The pH of the negative samples in between could be compared to that of the original and recent positive to evaluate that further.”

Trier only missed two games while waiting for his appeal to be heard, a road win at Oregon State and a road loss at Oregon. Thursday’s decision ensures he will be back in uniform against Stanford as the Wildcats try to clinch a Pac-12 title and build momentum for the postseason.

Trier, Arizona’s second-leading scorer behind freshman Deandre Ayton, averages 19.6 points per game and shoots 43 percent from behind the arc. Trier was a preseason All-American and is likely to earn all-Pac-12 honors for the second straight season.
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Post by: catastrophe on March 01, 2018, 08:52:29 PM
Yes, agreed Arizona knows exactly what they’re getting into. They’re gonna try to make their tourney run and when Miller gets busted they’re going to be “shocked” and “disappointed” to find out he was cheating.

I would not at all be surprised if Miller gets some bonuses based on performance that Arizona has no grounds to recover after the fact.
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Post by: pissclams on March 01, 2018, 08:59:38 PM
lester earl didn’t even go to high school
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Post by: Joker on March 02, 2018, 08:29:18 AM
Schlabach didn't report either of the two things Miller denied doing. The report was that Miller was on tape discussing payment of $100,000 to Ayton. No one said that Miller paid anyone anything. Notice Miller didn't deny the existence of the phone call.


I don't know, man.  That's splitting some serious hairs.

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Let me be very very clear: I have never discussed with Christian Dawkins paying Deandre Ayton to attend the University of Arizona. In fact, I never even met or spoke to Christian Dawkins until after Deandre publicly announced he was coming to our school. Any reporting to the contrary is inaccurate, false and defamatory.

I'm outraged by the media statements have been made and the acceptance by many that these statements were true. There was no such conversation.

http://tucson.com/news/local/read-the-full-transcript-of-arizona-coach-sean-miller-s/article_49cac6ec-1d95-11e8-b3d9-bb9e9ee6eece.html
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Post by: Joker on March 02, 2018, 08:35:16 AM
This thing is getting pretty muddy.  SI and 247 are claiming sources saying the story from Schlabach is inaccurate, but ESPN is doubling down it.


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As Arizona coach Sean Miller forcibly professed his innocence on Thursday in a statement that affirmed his status with the team, a source familiar with the college hoops corruption investigation confirmed with SI that the details of a wiretapped phone call involving Miller were inaccurately reported in a story by ESPN that said Miller “discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats.”

According to the source, relevant FBI wiretaps in the investigation did not begin until 2017—months after five-star recruit Deandre Ayton had already committed to Arizona in Sept. 2016. This account is consistent with reporting by Evan Daniels of 247Sports. The recruitment of Ayton, therefore, would have not been at issue in an intercepted phone call that occurred in 2017. To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued paying or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins.


https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-sean-miller-deandre-ayton-espn-report


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The Arizona-ESPN saga is continuing to heat up, and shortly after Arizona’s Sean Miller vehemently castigated ESPN’s reporting, the Worldwide Leader doubled down on its initial scoop that Miller had knowingly violated NCAA rules.


https://deadspin.com/espn-retracts-correction-in-sean-miller-wiretap-story-1823440125
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Post by: Dlew12 on March 02, 2018, 09:20:36 AM
yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 02, 2018, 09:11:00 PM
This thing is getting pretty muddy.  SI and 247 are claiming sources saying the story from Schlabach is inaccurate, but ESPN is doubling down it.


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As Arizona coach Sean Miller forcibly professed his innocence on Thursday in a statement that affirmed his status with the team, a source familiar with the college hoops corruption investigation confirmed with SI that the details of a wiretapped phone call involving Miller were inaccurately reported in a story by ESPN that said Miller “discussed paying $100,000 to ensure star freshman Deandre Ayton signed with the Wildcats.”

According to the source, relevant FBI wiretaps in the investigation did not begin until 2017—months after five-star recruit Deandre Ayton had already committed to Arizona in Sept. 2016. This account is consistent with reporting by Evan Daniels of 247Sports. The recruitment of Ayton, therefore, would have not been at issue in an intercepted phone call that occurred in 2017. To that end, the source told SI what Miller clarified for the first time Thursday: Ayton is not the player on whose behalf former ASM Sports employee Christian Dawkins allegedly sought a payment from Miller, and Miller never pursued paying or made any payments to a recruit associated with Dawkins.


https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2018/03/01/arizona-sean-miller-deandre-ayton-espn-report


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The Arizona-ESPN saga is continuing to heat up, and shortly after Arizona’s Sean Miller vehemently castigated ESPN’s reporting, the Worldwide Leader doubled down on its initial scoop that Miller had knowingly violated NCAA rules.


https://deadspin.com/espn-retracts-correction-in-sean-miller-wiretap-story-1823440125

Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2018, 09:46:43 AM
yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.

They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.

Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?

That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
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Post by: michigancat on March 03, 2018, 09:55:35 AM
Also, just because he was committed doesn't mean Miller didn't want/need to pay him
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Post by: Dlew12 on March 03, 2018, 04:03:24 PM
yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.

They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.

Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?

That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016.  Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 03, 2018, 04:10:21 PM
yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.

They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.

Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?

That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016.  Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.

No, the second correction affirmed the initial report. Either way, when the call happened is literally the least important element of the report.
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Post by: Dlew12 on March 05, 2018, 12:04:38 PM
yeah i don't know if miller did anything wrong or not, but i think it's clear that ESPN's reporting on this was pretty pretty shaky.

They reported the wiretap, he still hasn't denied the existence of the wiretap.

Okay so... Miller was wiretapped discussing payment of $100,000 to a player, but that player wasn't Ayton? Or am I inaccurately reading between the lines there?

That looks like the most likely scenario, although I'm willing to bet Ayton was mentioned in the course of the conversation.
They reported a wire tap discussing a payment to Ayton that occurred in the spring of 2017, then corrected it to say spring of 2016.  Then corrected that to just say sometime in 2016.

No, the second correction affirmed the initial report. Either way, when the call happened is literally the least important element of the report.
They corrected the story and changed the date twice. 

(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-by3BU0AAM5i2.jpg)(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DW-by3BVwAErmRX.jpg)

And when the call happened is very important.  If Ayton signed his LOI to Arizona before any of the wiretapping actually occurred, it raises some questions about the story. 
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2018, 01:48:06 PM
There are a lot of points I can contradict here but I'll stick with the simplest one. Ayton signing his LOI has no effect, at all, whether or not Dawkins and/or Miller felt they needed to pay him to keep him at Arizona. That payment could have been made to give him some money to stop him from playing in Europe or Asia.
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Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on March 05, 2018, 07:12:16 PM
I agree with MIR, everyone is getting so caught up on WHEN the call took place but the fact that it took place at all is what should be the focus
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 05, 2018, 08:08:37 PM
Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.
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Post by: MakeItRain on March 05, 2018, 09:31:24 PM
Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.

Would you like to bet, loser leaves the board, that it isn't?
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Post by: meow meow on March 06, 2018, 09:06:02 AM
 :ohno:
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Post by: Pete on March 06, 2018, 07:01:52 PM
Odds are the supposed wire tap is completely made up.

Would you like to bet, loser leaves the board, that it isn't?

Is Fake Sugar Dick up for the challenge?!?
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Post by: The Big Train on March 06, 2018, 07:11:59 PM
Where would I get my belly laughs from if FSD left?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2018, 07:48:08 PM
Lots of bets being thrown around this internet thread  :nono:

But, yeah, that wire tap thing is made up.
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Post by: Pete on March 06, 2018, 08:08:30 PM
Lots of bets being thrown around this internet thread  :nono:

But, yeah, that wire tap thing is made up.


Do you accept MIR’s wager?
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Post by: gatoveintisiete on March 06, 2018, 08:10:19 PM
What if Ayton tells Dawkins he is probably going to Arizona, then Dawkins goes to Miller and says Ayton is up in the air and that if Miller will pay 100k or give him Tarzuski he can lock down Ayton, so Miller steers Tarz no money exchanged and Ayton knows nothing about the whole thing?
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2018, 08:16:10 PM
Good point, schlabach. Take it to print.
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Post by: michigancat on March 06, 2018, 09:47:59 PM
I don't want fsd to leave
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Post by: Pete on March 06, 2018, 09:52:01 PM
I don't want fsd to leave

Fake Sugar Dick has us all on pins and needles with this one.  What do you think he will do?!?!
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Post by: The Big Train on March 06, 2018, 10:27:13 PM
Well, even when FSD loses the bet it’s not like he’ll leave leave.  We just won’t have Chings split personality named FSD.

All that said I want FSD to stay because as I’ve said, the conspiracies and false statements really bring something to my day.
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Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on March 06, 2018, 10:29:42 PM
Shut up, The Big Tuck
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Post by: The Big Train on March 06, 2018, 10:30:32 PM
Chings I’m trying to save you because of the hilarious takes
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Post by: steve dave on June 08, 2019, 02:27:00 PM
prison time (tiny little baby amount)

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/06/07/lamont-evans-sentenced-three-months-prison-oklahoma-state?xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=si-ncaabb
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Post by: 420seriouscat69 on June 08, 2019, 03:21:27 PM
Man, taking one on the chin for Frank. Hope it was worth it.
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Post by: dal9 on June 08, 2019, 09:23:56 PM
prison time (tiny little baby amount)

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/2019/06/07/lamont-evans-sentenced-three-months-prison-oklahoma-state?xid=socialflow_twitter_si&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=si-ncaabb

still pretty far from fun...plus supposedly might get deported