Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Quick question: still think Asprilla isn't garbage?
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
The weird thing is we played amazing JYC ball in stretches of this game. At times OSU could do nothing offensively. But then the last 10 minutes I have no answer for; giving up 35 points in 10 minutes is ridiculous.
a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game.
I'm just saying there is no way that a Top 3-4 team in this league should lose that game, especially seemingly being in control at the 9 and 1/2 minute mark.
I'm just saying there is no way that a Top 3-4 team in this league should lose that game, especially seemingly being in control at the 9 and 1/2 minute mark.
it didn't feel to me like kstate was in control at that point.
they lost due to the turnovers and lack of rebounding. but the late-game defensive collapse you identified is a concern. 35 pts in 10 minutes is ridic.
I'm just saying there is no way that a Top 3-4 team in this league should lose that game, especially seemingly being in control at the 9 and 1/2 minute mark.
it didn't feel to me like kstate was in control at that point.
they lost due to the turnovers and lack of rebounding. but the late-game defensive collapse you identified is a concern. 35 pts in 10 minutes is ridic.
also, lol @ attacking asprilla for this game. he was the best big (not counting samuels), you dumbasses. shame he couldn't have stayed on the court a few more minutes.
Maybe not in control, but it sure didn't feel like we were going to completely choke the game away and lose by double digits either.
VO was our second best big today.
i did think/hope that the turnovers would fix itself with time. didn't happen.
Even worse, that last 10 minutes brought back a lot of bad memories. It looked a lot (A LOT) like a Wooly coached team. Play well in spurts, then in crunch time no one wants to step up and make a play. Allow teams to absolutely control stretches of games to stay in it, then put it away.
Even worse, that last 10 minutes brought back a lot of bad memories. It looked a lot (A LOT) like a Wooly coached team. Play well in spurts, then in crunch time no one wants to step up and make a play. Allow teams to absolutely control stretches of games to stay in it, then put it away.
Thanks, you just ruined my 2011.
Even worse, that last 10 minutes brought back a lot of bad memories. It looked a lot (A LOT) like a Wooly coached team. Play well in spurts, then in crunch time no one wants to step up and make a play. Allow teams to absolutely control stretches of games to stay in it, then put it away.
Thanks, you just ruined my 2011.
Don't worry, this means we are going to take some 10-12 point losses and turn them into "almost" 3-5 point losses with a furious comeback in the last 3 minutes later in the season.
I think I'll become a Cyclone fan.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
I expected a win. OSU is okay, but probably an NIT level team. I think a tournament team wins that game, let alone a top 5 team.
Even worse, that last 10 minutes brought back a lot of bad memories. It looked a lot (A LOT) like a Wooly coached team. Play well in spurts, then in crunch time no one wants to step up and make a play. Allow teams to absolutely control stretches of games to stay in it, then put it away.
They made a play and we didn't
8 minutes without making a FG after Mcgruds's 3 put us up by 8. :sigh:
8 minutes without making a FG after Mcgruds's 3 put us up by 8. :sigh:
8 minutes without making a FG after Mcgruds's 3 put us up by 8. :sigh:
they made some plays, and sometimes didn't, but mostly did; while we didn't. for 8 minutes.
This was an incredibly winnable game for any kind of top 20 team.
[miniturnoutthelights]
I suppose the frustration with this one is b/c of the optimist in me. Even with the disappointment of the OOC, I still had some pretty solid hope (silly, I know) that Frank would get things fixed over break and the great season we were expecting was going to happen. Maybe not win the league, but contend for the league at least well into February and finish with 3 or 4 losses. Today its pretty clear that is highly unlikely; please forgive my blind optimism for still thinking it was possible.
This team likely will do some of the things Frank's teams do; win games we don't expect and lose games we don't expect. It will could still finish 9-7ish in the league and be a 8/9 seed or something and still make the tournament. I'd say that is probably even likely. In most years that would be a pretty good season for a K-State basketball fan, but after Elite 8/#3/Preseason Big 12 Champs/etc., even for me it will be disappointing.
[/miniturnoutthelights]
Exactly. This is more or less how I have felt since unlv.
[miniturnoutthelights]
I suppose the frustration with this one is b/c of the optimist in me. Even with the disappointment of the OOC, I still had some pretty solid hope (silly, I know) that Frank would get things fixed over break and the great season we were expecting was going to happen. Maybe not win the league, but contend for the league at least well into February and finish with 3 or 4 losses. Today its pretty clear that is highly unlikely; please forgive my blind optimism for still thinking it was possible.
This team likely will do some of the things Frank's teams do; win games we don't expect and lose games we don't expect. It will could still finish 9-7ish in the league and be a 8/9 seed or something and still make the tournament. I'd say that is probably even likely. In most years that would be a pretty good season for a K-State basketball fan, but after Elite 8/#3/Preseason Big 12 Champs/etc., even for me it will be disappointing.
[/miniturnoutthelights]
[miniturnoutthelights]
I suppose the frustration with this one is b/c of the optimist in me. Even with the disappointment of the OOC, I still had some pretty solid hope (silly, I know) that Frank would get things fixed over break and the great season we were expecting was going to happen. Maybe not win the league, but contend for the league at least well into February and finish with 3 or 4 losses. Today its pretty clear that is highly unlikely; please forgive my blind optimism for still thinking it was possible.
This team likely will do some of the things Frank's teams do; win games we don't expect and lose games we don't expect. It will could still finish 9-7ish in the league and be a 8/9 seed or something and still make the tournament. I'd say that is probably even likely. In most years that would be a pretty good season for a K-State basketball fan, but after Elite 8/#3/Preseason Big 12 Champs/etc., even for me it will be disappointing.
[/miniturnoutthelights]
At this point, I just want to go to the tournament, that's all.
[miniturnoutthelights]
I suppose the frustration with this one is b/c of the optimist in me. Even with the disappointment of the OOC, I still had some pretty solid hope (silly, I know) that Frank would get things fixed over break and the great season we were expecting was going to happen. Maybe not win the league, but contend for the league at least well into February and finish with 3 or 4 losses. Today its pretty clear that is highly unlikely; please forgive my blind optimism for still thinking it was possible.
This team likely will do some of the things Frank's teams do; win games we don't expect and lose games we don't expect. It will could still finish 9-7ish in the league and be a 8/9 seed or something and still make the tournament. I'd say that is probably even likely. In most years that would be a pretty good season for a K-State basketball fan, but after Elite 8/#3/Preseason Big 12 Champs/etc., even for me it will be disappointing.
[/miniturnoutthelights]
At this point, I just want to go to the tournament, that's all.
I'm holding out for a no thursday Phillip 66.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
I expected a win. OSU is okay, but probably an NIT level team. I think a tournament team wins that game, let alone a top 5 team.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
I expected a win. OSU is okay, but probably an NIT level team. I think a tournament team wins that game, let alone a top 5 team.
There is a lot of crazy in this thread, I'm going to isolate this one to unload on several issues in this thread.
You are absolutely out of your mind and shame on every single person who read this and didn't challenge it. There wasn't a single team in the country last year that didn't lose a game just like this. KU, the number 1 team in the country going into the tourney, lost two games to opponents like this including OSU. Duke, the national champions lost two games like this last year. Hell nearly a third of the top 25 lost games just like this over the weekend.
I'm completely lost on the line of thinking here, if we have the deficiencies you think we have what made you EXPECT to roll into a place that no one wins at and get a win :confused: Including Saturday's game OSU is 63-18 in home conference games since 2001. Since the Big 12 formed OSU has averaged a 4th place finish while winning the conference only once, they are consistently a good conference team. How can you think we are good enough to expect a win before the game and then two hours later question whether or not K-State is a tournament team? You cannot expect to win this game, they aren't OU, Tech, Depaul, or Auburn.
Now to the game itself, it seems to me that this game just shined a bright light on the issues that we already know about. The guards don't create enough, the bigs turn the ball over way too much, and we need a third scorer. I have no idea how anyone could utter anything about rebounding, we beat them in any rebounding stat you mention with every big we had fouling out with significant time left in the game. Also lots of posts on the board about effort, how do you not play hard but commit 31 fouls? I'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points. I agree with Cire, Curtis Kelly wins us this game, but he wasn't there and all of the bigs have to be better. They were supposed to be a strength and right now they are an albatross.
For the long term prognosis. If this week doesn't yield two wins, then I will hit the (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTLjUjB6IYP32CWBNKnLZeH4tOkiZ6ukjjOHYKqVgpz2RyTxfCXog&hash=a96d28259ee2cd6ba50e235139db925dcf005ac2) I think by 7PM next Monday we will be 2-2 in conference but I think this conference is going to beat the hell out of each other this year. I like somewhere around 10-6, but I have to run the bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
I expected a win. OSU is okay, but probably an NIT level team. I think a tournament team wins that game, let alone a top 5 team.
There is a lot of crazy in this thread, I'm going to isolate this one to unload on several issues in this thread.
You are absolutely out of your mind and shame on every single person who read this and didn't challenge it. There wasn't a single team in the country last year that didn't lose a game just like this. KU, the number 1 team in the country going into the tourney, lost two games to opponents like this including OSU. Duke, the national champions lost two games like this last year. Hell nearly a third of the top 25 lost games just like this over the weekend.
I'm completely lost on the line of thinking here, if we have the deficiencies you think we have what made you EXPECT to roll into a place that no one wins at and get a win :confused: Including Saturday's game OSU is 63-18 in home conference games since 2001. Since the Big 12 formed OSU has averaged a 4th place finish while winning the conference only once, they are consistently a good conference team. How can you think we are good enough to expect a win before the game and then two hours later question whether or not K-State is a tournament team? You cannot expect to win this game, they aren't OU, Tech, Depaul, or Auburn.
Now to the game itself, it seems to me that this game just shined a bright light on the issues that we already know about. The guards don't create enough, the bigs turn the ball over way too much, and we need a third scorer. I have no idea how anyone could utter anything about rebounding, we beat them in any rebounding stat you mention with every big we had fouling out with significant time left in the game. Also lots of posts on the board about effort, how do you not play hard but commit 31 fouls? I'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points. I agree with Cire, Curtis Kelly wins us this game, but he wasn't there and all of the bigs have to be better. They were supposed to be a strength and right now they are an albatross.
For the long term prognosis. If this week doesn't yield two wins, then I will hit the (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTLjUjB6IYP32CWBNKnLZeH4tOkiZ6ukjjOHYKqVgpz2RyTxfCXog&hash=a96d28259ee2cd6ba50e235139db925dcf005ac2) I think by 7PM next Monday we will be 2-2 in conference but I think this conference is going to beat the hell out of each other this year. I like somewhere around 10-6, but I have to run the bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
We should have had higher expectations than 10-6,
kind of.bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
Well said.
kind of.bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
Well said.
i disagree though that this team isn't good in transition. i think they're best in transition, we struggle in the half court.
We should have had higher expectations than 10-6,
why? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering how you came to that conclusion.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
I need to go back but I called this years kats last years tejas. They will fly high early and fall very very far.
Im sorry, just telling you guys what I see in the magic crystal bally thing.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
I need to go back but I called this years kats last years tejas. They will fly high early and fall very very far.
Im sorry, just telling you guys what I see in the magic crystal bally thing.
Last year's Texas was ranked #1 at this point in the season, so I wouldn't pat yourself on the back too hard with that prediction.
We should have had higher expectations than 10-6,
why? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering how you came to that conclusion.
I expected Curtis to..well…play in more than about half of our games thus far. I expected Jamar to gain some consistency….I expected asprilla to be better…I expected wally to make the improvement (or similar improvement) that Mcgruds has…I expected us to be better in transition….I expected us to be more mature (our juniors and seniors haven’t performed/played/lead like jr’s and sr’s) and if I or anyone expected that, then the expectation that 10-6 should be closer to the floor than the ceiling is not unreasonable. We’ve somehow gotten worse.
We should have had higher expectations than 10-6,
why? Not saying you're wrong, just wondering how you came to that conclusion.
I expected Curtis to..well…play in more than about half of our games thus far. I expected Jamar to gain some consistency….I expected asprilla to be better…I expected wally to make the improvement (or similar improvement) that Mcgruds has…I expected us to be better in transition….I expected us to be more mature (our juniors and seniors haven’t performed/played/lead like jr’s and sr’s) and if I or anyone expected that, then the expectation that 10-6 should be closer to the floor than the ceiling is not unreasonable. We’ve somehow gotten worse.
Basically you expected everything to be perfect. Even with everything not being perfect, I think that with Kelly playing every game we're fine at this point. I don't think we're league champs, but we probably beat OSU and UNLV.
Oboards b/c we don't get position. Foul after foul. Dumb TOs. OSU gets to the line 43 times.
Still, a 49-41 lead with 9:26 left in the game. Then give up 35 points that last 9 and a half minutes. Unbelievable.
Trying to stay positive, but this may not be a tournament team. And it may get worse before it gets better.
Didn't read the rest of the thread, but I'm surprised at you _fan. This was a bad performance for sure but did you really expect us to win this one? Understandable loss to me, all factors considered. This is nowhere near a top five team, obviously, and at times an incredibly hard team to watch, but a tournament team? Sure. We'll still win plenty of conference games. This team, at this point in the season was not ready to win this kind of game, and I never really expected a win going in.
I expected a win. OSU is okay, but probably an NIT level team. I think a tournament team wins that game, let alone a top 5 team.
There is a lot of crazy in this thread, I'm going to isolate this one to unload on several issues in this thread.
You are absolutely out of your mind and shame on every single person who read this and didn't challenge it. There wasn't a single team in the country last year that didn't lose a game just like this. KU, the number 1 team in the country going into the tourney, lost two games to opponents like this including OSU. Duke, the national champions lost two games like this last year. Hell nearly a third of the top 25 lost games just like this over the weekend.
I'm completely lost on the line of thinking here, if we have the deficiencies you think we have what made you EXPECT to roll into a place that no one wins at and get a win :confused: Including Saturday's game OSU is 63-18 in home conference games since 2001. Since the Big 12 formed OSU has averaged a 4th place finish while winning the conference only once, they are consistently a good conference team. How can you think we are good enough to expect a win before the game and then two hours later question whether or not K-State is a tournament team? You cannot expect to win this game, they aren't OU, Tech, Depaul, or Auburn.
Now to the game itself, it seems to me that this game just shined a bright light on the issues that we already know about. The guards don't create enough, the bigs turn the ball over way too much, and we need a third scorer. I have no idea how anyone could utter anything about rebounding, we beat them in any rebounding stat you mention with every big we had fouling out with significant time left in the game. Also lots of posts on the board about effort, how do you not play hard but commit 31 fouls? I'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points. I agree with Cire, Curtis Kelly wins us this game, but he wasn't there and all of the bigs have to be better. They were supposed to be a strength and right now they are an albatross.
For the long term prognosis. If this week doesn't yield two wins, then I will hit the (https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ft2.gstatic.com%2Fimages%3Fq%3Dtbn%3AANd9GcTLjUjB6IYP32CWBNKnLZeH4tOkiZ6ukjjOHYKqVgpz2RyTxfCXog&hash=a96d28259ee2cd6ba50e235139db925dcf005ac2) I think by 7PM next Monday we will be 2-2 in conference but I think this conference is going to beat the hell out of each other this year. I like somewhere around 10-6, but I have to run the bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Like I said, I'm often a ridiculous optimist.
MIR, let me have a little meltdown once in a while.*
I can't disagree with anything you said.
don't blame your stupid post on me.kind of.bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
Well said.
i disagree though that this team isn't good in transition. i think they're best in transition, we struggle in the half court.
So they're good in transition, but terrible in getting into transition situations. Good clarification p'clams.
don't blame your stupid post on me.kind of.bracket generator to get a real feel as to where I think we will be.
Any game, when looked at in isolation, can be washed away. When you consider how this team has played in most of its wins and all of its losses, then it becomes time to re-evaluate whether it’s a nit or a ncaa team. I don’t just dismiss curtis not being there, as I haven’t when he or jamar wasn’t there early in the year. Their absences is an issue with this team and directly relates to how its played and will play. We’re halfway through the season right now. Our offense has to work for most everything because this team isn’t good in transition. Our bigs are weak with the basketball and defending it. McGruds is our most consistent player, which in my mind, makes him our best player. But these aren’t just things that occurred in one basketball game. We should have had higher expectations than 10-6, which, imo, is now the ceiling for this team.
Well said.
i disagree though that this team isn't good in transition. i think they're best in transition, we struggle in the half court.
So they're good in transition, but terrible in getting into transition situations. Good clarification p'clams.
I'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points.
Ain't No Recruits!!
You're so level headed, and I'm a jackass.
if the name tag at the front desk has your name written on it then you might as well wear it on the front of your shirt so that people can see your name. u digg :cool:You're so level headed, and I'm a jackass.
_fan's agreeable and thoughtful posts always makes me feel like an bad person too.
I'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points.
i went back and skimmed through parts of the last ten minutes, en route to seeing the handshake stuff w. assaley. i agree that the defense, while not great, was not really as bad as 35 in 10 sounds. there were tons and tons of free throws. not just for osu, but also kstate. prolly around half of kstate's offensive possessions resulted in shooting fts with 20 seconds or more on the shot clock. obviously in that type of situ. pts can get scored in very little time.
the sequence where kstate went from up 8 to tied in the span of about a minute was pretty amazing. osu scored 6 of those pts off fts, and kstate only had 2 offensive possessions during the run (judge being called for a foul on a defensive board/loose ball gave osu the other fts).
don't agree at all with the people saying that kstate is good in transition. when you never get into transition, you aren't good at it.
this is wrongI'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points.
i went back and skimmed through parts of the last ten minutes, en route to seeing the handshake stuff w. assaley. i agree that the defense, while not great, was not really as bad as 35 in 10 sounds. there were tons and tons of free throws. not just for osu, but also kstate. prolly around half of kstate's offensive possessions resulted in shooting fts with 20 seconds or more on the shot clock. obviously in that type of situ. pts can get scored in very little time.
the sequence where kstate went from up 8 to tied in the span of about a minute was pretty amazing. osu scored 6 of those pts off fts, and kstate only had 2 offensive possessions during the run (judge being called for a foul on a defensive board/loose ball gave osu the other fts).
don't agree at all with the people saying that kstate is good in transition. when you never get into transition, you aren't good at it.
+1
And I'd add that just because our transition offense is better than our half court sets has no influence on our having a good transition offense.
you're wrong and so is sysI'm not bent out of shape by the massive amount of points we gave up the last 10 minutes because I don't necessarily think is is directly attributable to horrible defense, but to free throws and AWFUL offense. If you are not scoring and turning the ball over you are going to give up points.
i went back and skimmed through parts of the last ten minutes, en route to seeing the handshake stuff w. assaley. i agree that the defense, while not great, was not really as bad as 35 in 10 sounds. there were tons and tons of free throws. not just for osu, but also kstate. prolly around half of kstate's offensive possessions resulted in shooting fts with 20 seconds or more on the shot clock. obviously in that type of situ. pts can get scored in very little time.
the sequence where kstate went from up 8 to tied in the span of about a minute was pretty amazing. osu scored 6 of those pts off fts, and kstate only had 2 offensive possessions during the run (judge being called for a foul on a defensive board/loose ball gave osu the other fts).
don't agree at all with the people saying that kstate is good in transition. when you never get into transition, you aren't good at it.
+1
And I'd add that just because our transition offense is better than our half court sets has no influence on our having a good transition offense.
Again.
Nice board name.