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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: j rake on December 20, 2010, 09:26:17 PM
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Ricky Rahne, Kansas State's tight ends coach, has resigned to take another position, the school confirmed Monday.
Rahne was the lone holdover hired by former coach Ron Prince. He spent two years as K-State's running backs coach under Prince, then shifted to tight ends coach when LHC Bill Snyder was hired.
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-12-20/k_state_loses_te_coach_rahne
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Ricky Rahne, Kansas State's tight ends coach, has resigned to take another position, the school confirmed Monday.
Rahne was the lone holdover hired by former coach Ron Prince. He spent two years as K-State's running backs coach under Prince, then shifted to tight ends coach when LHC Bill Snyder was hired.
http://cjonline.com/sports/basketball/2010-12-20/k_state_loses_te_coach_rahne
He was a decent, but not spectacular, recruiter. It sucks because he was one of the few non-Medicare eligible members of the coaching staff.
I'll be interested to see who fills the spot. I know whoever it is will most likely be an unimpressive retread, but TE coaches are kind of pointless. I'll be surprised if Snyder hires another offensive coach or uses this as an opportunity to get himself a real defensive coordinator without having to have that stern talking to with Cosh.
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Snyder is just as bad as Prince at retaining assistant coaches. Snyder's two best hires after making his lame return were Ludwig and Koenning, and both were gone within a year. Ludwig stuck around long enough to eat lunch at Harry's before he bolted for Cal, and Koenning left K-State for another sinking ship program the first chance he got.
The only coaches Snyder can keep are ones nobody else wants. Cosh is just as bad, if not worse, than Tibesar. The rest of the staff should go nameless, with the exception of maybe Charlie Dickey, perhaps the only coach on the staff who could get a better job elsewhere.
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Snyder is just as bad as Prince at retaining assistant coaches. Snyder's two best hires after making his lame return were Ludwig and Koenning, and both were gone within a year. Ludwig stuck around long enough to eat lunch at Harry's before he bolted for Cal, and Koenning left K-State for another sinking ship program the first chance he got.
The only coaches Snyder can keep are ones nobody else wants. Cosh is just as bad, if not worse, than Tibesar. The rest of the staff should go nameless, with the exception of maybe Charlie Dickey, perhaps the only coach on the staff who could get a better job elsewhere.
I don't disagree that finding a good coach will be hard. Snyder has been woefully unimpressive in who he's hired in the last five years of coaching.
I'm just interested to see if he bucks the trend, or if he hires another offensive coach or sacrifices that for the defensive side.
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What good assistant coach would come to K-State? Snyder and his stuck-in-neutral program has nothing to offer, aside from 80-hour work weeks and a roster devoid of any real talent to coach up. Any assistant coach of value is not making the move to Manhattan to work for Snyder for a year or two (or maybe) three.
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Welcome back Matt Miller!
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What good assistant coach would come to K-State? Snyder and his stuck-in-neutral program has nothing to offer, aside from 80-hour work weeks and a roster devoid of any real talent to coach up. Any assistant coach of value is not making the move to Manhattan to work for Snyder for a year or two (or maybe) three.
The kind that hits kids(allegedly).
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ELL3 beat me to it. How effing hilarious would that be.
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What good assistant coach would come to K-State? Snyder and his stuck-in-neutral program has nothing to offer, aside from 80-hour work weeks and a roster devoid of any real talent to coach up. Any assistant coach of value is not making the move to Manhattan to work for Snyder for a year or two (or maybe) three.
I never said we'd get a good coach, and if we did, it would be hard. I said 'real'. 'Real' can be considered average or slightly below average in my book.
Good probably starts and stops with Jim Leavitt.
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I never said we'd get a good coach, and if we did, it would be hard. I said 'real'. 'Real' can be considered average or slightly below average in my book.
Good probably starts and stops with Jim Leavitt.
K-State's best-case scenario for a new head coach is Leavitt.
That is incredibly sad.
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I never said we'd get a good coach, and if we did, it would be hard. I said 'real'. 'Real' can be considered average or slightly below average in my book.
Good probably starts and stops with Jim Leavitt.
K-State's best-case scenario for a new head coach is Leavitt.
That is incredibly sad.
K-State's best chance for a good head coach is by using the same method we used with Huggins, OSU used with Sutton, Maryland is using with Leach, etc.
Go after a really good coach that just got fired in a swarm of controversy and needs a soft place to land. Best case scenario, he's so moved by the fact we gave him a second chance that he's willing to stay. Worst case scenario, he jump starts the program.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
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It's only a matter of time before Bobby Elliott returns to put a cherry on the WRSOAT.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
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Welcome back Matt Miller!
I'm going to laugh uproariously when this actually does happen.
My bet is he promotes Jonathon Beasley from his GA position or some stupid crap, though.
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My bet is he promotes Jonathon Beasley from his GA position or some stupid crap, though.
yeah, this is bound to happen. what was the ruckus with Beasley over the summer? I seem to remember something hilarious involving a woman.
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Welcome back Matt Miller!
I'm going to laugh uproariously when this actually does happen.
My bet is he promotes Jonathon Beasley from his GA position or some stupid cac, though.
won't happen. confidence level 100%.
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I never said we'd get a good coach, and if we did, it would be hard. I said 'real'. 'Real' can be considered average or slightly below average in my book.
Good probably starts and stops with Jim Leavitt.
K-State's best-case scenario for a new head coach is Leavitt.
That is incredibly sad.
Maybe we'll get a timely firing on Rich Rod :crossfingers:
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You guys are completely discounting Bill's love of Grant Gregory in this thread.
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Snyder is just as bad as Prince at retaining assistant coaches. Snyder's two best hires after making his lame return were Ludwig and Koenning, and both were gone within a year. Ludwig stuck around long enough to eat lunch at Harry's before he bolted for Cal, and Koenning left K-State for another sinking ship program the first chance he got.
The only coaches Snyder can keep are ones nobody else wants. Cosh is just as bad, if not worse, than Tibesar. The rest of the staff should go nameless, with the exception of maybe Charlie Dickey, perhaps the only coach on the staff who could get a better job elsewhere.
True. This is Cosh's last job in DI CFB. When he leaves KSU he won't land anywhere.
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is it still consider "jumping" when he is already under water and on the sea floor? :dunno:
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Snyder is just as bad as Prince at retaining assistant coaches. Snyder's two best hires after making his lame return were Ludwig and Koenning, and both were gone within a year. Ludwig stuck around long enough to eat lunch at Harry's before he bolted for Cal, and Koenning left K-State for another sinking ship program the first chance he got.
The only coaches Snyder can keep are ones nobody else wants. Cosh is just as bad, if not worse, than Tibesar. The rest of the staff should go nameless, with the exception of maybe Charlie Dickey, perhaps the only coach on the staff who could get a better job elsewhere.
True. This is Cosh's last job in DI CFB. When he leaves KSU he won't land anywhere.
I still think Cosh should start looking HARD for a 1AA HC gig. There were rumors last year that he was interested in one of the UL-L/M jobs. Aiming for the SunBelt is kind of high, but he could probably go into some interview in the Valley and sell them on being around Saban, Holtz, and Snyder.
That's my dream anyway.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
He's not terrible. He went 66-30 at Colorado and Washington and he finished in the AP top 10 three times in a span of six years at both schools. He's had a miserable go at UCLA, I'll give you that. But not too many coaches will succeed when forced to play musical quarterbacks three straight years.
He'd be a compelling hire.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
He's not terrible. He went 66-30 at Colorado and Washington and he finished in the AP top 10 three times in a span of six years at both schools. He's had a miserable go at UCLA, I'll give you that. But not too many coaches will succeed when forced to play musical quarterbacks three straight years.
He'd be a compelling hire.
I'd do anything to replace Bill with Rick
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
He's not terrible. He went 66-30 at Colorado and Washington and he finished in the AP top 10 three times in a span of six years at both schools. He's had a miserable go at UCLA, I'll give you that. But not too many coaches will succeed when forced to play musical quarterbacks three straight years.
He'd be a compelling hire.
I'd do anything to replace Bill with Rick
You'll want Bill back faster than you can say Old Balls.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
He's not terrible. He went 66-30 at Colorado and Washington and he finished in the AP top 10 three times in a span of six years at both schools. He's had a miserable go at UCLA, I'll give you that. But not too many coaches will succeed when forced to play musical quarterbacks three straight years.
He'd be a compelling hire.
I'm not sure how well he'd get along with shirt tucks, and I'm not convinced he'd win a lot of games.
We can find a less dented can of green beans on the shelf between now and then.
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Agreed. Neuheisel would be an interesting hire if things continue to go poorly at UCLA.
no, hes terrible. he was terrible at colorado, he was terrible in washington, and hes been terrible at ucla. his teams have never gotten better under his coaching. never. each of the above programs was in a worse place or at best the exact same place as when he took over.
He's not terrible. He went 66-30 at Colorado and Washington and he finished in the AP top 10 three times in a span of six years at both schools. He's had a miserable go at UCLA, I'll give you that. But not too many coaches will succeed when forced to play musical quarterbacks three straight years.
He'd be a compelling hire.
I'm not sure how well he'd get along with shirt tucks, and I'm not convinced he'd win a lot of games.
We can find a less dented can of green beans on the shelf between now and then.
I wish we bought the dented can that locks kids in closets and puts up 50pts a game.
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Too bad Currie hates Fulmer.
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Too bad Currie hates Fulmer.
Don't know if our fan base could handle his type of success.
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After a few successful seasons in the Legends and Leaders, Coach Kill will be ready to come home to Kansas.
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After a few successful seasons in the Legends and Leaders, Coach Kill will be ready to come home to Kansas.
:goodbyecruelworld:
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After a few successful seasons in the Legends and Leaders, Coach Kill will be ready to come home to Kansas.
:goodbyecruelworld:
understatement of the year.
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Too bad Currie hates Fulmer.
I would literally kill to have Fulmer.
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Too bad Currie hates Fulmer.
I would literally kill to have Fulmer.
We have two options. One, we get some dude out there looking to rebuild his name as stated.
Two, we go after some sexy coordinator looking to take a jump in a BCS conference.
I think it's likely, if Currie is still here at that time, that we'll see something like this.
Since Currie is new here, do you think we can start a "Hire BV" campaign? Maybe we should save the cash and go all out on that?
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We have two options. One, we get some dude out there looking to rebuild his name as stated.
Two, we go after some sexy coordinator looking to take a jump in a BCS conference.
I think option 1 is the best of the two. Once the sexy coordinator reaches a certain level of success, he'll be off to a better gig in another conference. Up-and-coming coaches are more likely to be Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly than Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson.
The Huggins model, if you can call it that, is probably best for K-State. Hire a guy who has been there, done that, and is interested in making one final run. Coaches I would put in this category include: Phil Fulmer (age 60), Dennis Erickson (age 63), Larry Coker (age 62), Dennis Franchione (age 59), Mike Riley (age 57), etc. I'm not suggesting that any or all of these coaches would be a good fit for K-State, but these are the types of coaches I think K-State should look at.
Expectations need to be reeled in considerably. The days of K-State being a 10- or 11-win program are over. The guys mentioned above would all be capable of getting them to 8-4 or 7-5 with the occasional 9- or 10-win season mixed in.
Last thing: If Pat Hill (age 57) gets let go at Fresno in the next few years, I think he'd be interesting.
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Gary Barnett? :peek:
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Gary Barnett? :peek:
Good one, but that's about where I'd draw the line. He turns 65 in May.
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Gary Barnett? :peek:
Good one, but that's about where I'd draw the line. He turns 65 in May.
Would be pretty awesome to see him stick it to LHC Bill Snyder one final time (and this time it wouldn't be bad for my KSUQHATZ)
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Pat Hill is far to ugly to be coach here. Probably smells bad too.
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The Huggins model, if you can call it that, is probably best for K-State. Hire a guy who has been there, done that, and is interested in making one final run. Coaches I would put in this category include: Phil Fulmer (age 60), Dennis Erickson (age 63), Larry Coker (age 62), Dennis Franchione (age 59), Mike Riley (age 57), etc. I'm not suggesting that any or all of these coaches would be a good fit for K-State, but these are the types of coaches I think K-State should look at.
Expectations need to be reeled in considerably. The days of K-State being a 10- or 11-win program are over. The guys mentioned above would all be capable of getting them to 8-4 or 7-5 with the occasional 9- or 10-win season mixed in.
Last thing: If Pat Hill (age 57) gets let go at Fresno in the next few years, I think he'd be interesting.
sounds like you are making this more of a coaching retirement home than a place for damaged goods. I don't think you quite grasp what the huggins model is based on who you listed. this all reads like an argument for snyder than anything else.
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I don't want anybody older than 60. I want somebody who will come in for 3 or 4 years, build up the program, and then leave for greener pastures. Our options would be much better at that point than they are now.
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#KState TE coach Ricky Rahne has left the team to become QB coach at Vanderbilt.
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#KState TE coach Ricky Rahne has left the team to become QB coach at Vanderbilt.
ZOMG will he be staying on to help coach the bowl?
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GPC says he will not be at the bowl.
Isn't the QB coach at Vandy a worse job?
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Seems like a QB coach is a higher position than TE coach. Also, hasn't Rahne coached like every offensive position now? Curious who else Franklin brings to Vandy with him.
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Seems like a QB coach is a higher position than TE coach. Also, hasn't Rahne coached like every offensive position now? Curious who else Franklin brings to Vandy with him.
Vandy vs KSU is what I meant.
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Yeah, you would think that Vandy would be a stepdown. Little step anyway. But maybe the promotion and raise is worth it?
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Seems like a QB coach is a higher position than TE coach. Also, hasn't Rahne coached like every offensive position now? Curious who else Franklin brings to Vandy with him.
LACIQ from me...was rahne on staff with RP? If not is he now officially a member of the ron prince coaching tree folder now that he works for Franklin?
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Yeah, you would think that Vandy would be a stepdown. Little step anyway. But maybe the promotion and raise is worth it?
This sounds very much like the jumping ship description.
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Expectations need to be reeled in considerably. The days of K-State being a 10- or 11-win program are over. The guys mentioned above would all be capable of getting them to 8-4 or 7-5 with the occasional 9- or 10-win season mixed in.
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eff you. If you don't aim for the stars, you'll never make it off the ground. High Expectations either equal success or failure. Low expectations only equal failure. Loser.
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Wasn't Rahne the RB coach under Prince after Horton (?) left? I was thinking he was the only guy not named Mo that was retained...
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Wasn't Rahne the RB coach under Prince after Horton (?) left? I was thinking he was the only guy not named Mo that was retained...
I think he started as a GA here....where is Scott Frost these days?
Oregon....dammmit
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Slick Rick in Manhattan, the image in my mind of the cultural fit, very humorous :grin:
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Franklin learned from the master, Ricky better keep a good eye on his old lady!
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The Huggins model, if you can call it that, is probably best for K-State. Hire a guy who has been there, done that, and is interested in making one final run. Coaches I would put in this category include: Phil Fulmer (age 60), Dennis Erickson (age 63), Larry Coker (age 62), Dennis Franchione (age 59), Mike Riley (age 57), etc. I'm not suggesting that any or all of these coaches would be a good fit for K-State, but these are the types of coaches I think K-State should look at.
Expectations need to be reeled in considerably. The days of K-State being a 10- or 11-win program are over. The guys mentioned above would all be capable of getting them to 8-4 or 7-5 with the occasional 9- or 10-win season mixed in.
Last thing: If Pat Hill (age 57) gets let go at Fresno in the next few years, I think he'd be interesting.
sounds like you are making this more of a coaching retirement home than a place for damaged goods. I don't think you quite grasp what the huggins model is based on who you listed. this all reads like an argument for snyder than anything else.
All the guys I listed still have life in them, unlike Snyder, who smells like Brut and washes his hair with a bar of soap.
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I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.
Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?
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I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.
Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?
Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.
Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.
They've won plenty.
The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.
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I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.
Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?
Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.
Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.
They've won plenty.
The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.
I agree with they guy earlier who said they all sound more like the "Snyder model" than the "Huggins model".
And I'd be all for hiring Riley if he banged a co-ed or got busted with weed or something. That would be the Huggins model.
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Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.
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Erickson can't win at Arizona State, ever been to Tempe?
Pat Hill has not done much lately (did take the names off the uniforms though)
If this is done correctly, this will be an attractive job in a couple years
We will be pretty good if Tuggle is not awful and the Brown Boys are half as good as we think
Bill retires after a couple 8 or 9 win years and this job looks good
Of those names, Riley is the best., but he is a Beaver lifer (went to nfl and came back)
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Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.
I guess I just thought the Huggins model meant a coach who had won in the past and was also still winning/recruiting and needed to rehab his image because of a character issue (grades/substance abuse/reckless behavior/all of the above). And the more baggage, the better coach we can land. Srsly. I hope we find out that the real reason Urban Meyer retired is for some terrible sin that only OKcat would joke about.
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Snyder is 71. The other coaches listed — average age, 60 — at least have some years left in them.
I guess I just thought the Huggins model meant a coach who had won in the past and was also still winning/recruiting and needed to rehab his image because of a character issue (grades/substance abuse/reckless behavior/all of the above). And the more baggage, the better coach we can land. Srsly. I hope we find out that the real reason Urban Meyer retired is for some terrible sin that only OKcat would joke about.
Oh, well in that case, we don't have too many examples to work with in college football. The "Huggins model" type coaches as you've defined them:
—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others
Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.
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—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others
Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.
Yeah. I would love Leach or Rich Rod. Is O'Leary still stigmatized? And Neuheisel is already serving his "K-State" sentence.
What's the worst thing a great coach could do and still be a realistically acceptable for us to hire? It's tough balance for us. I mean, for a really great coach to fall to us, he'd have to molest his daughter or something. And then the "alumni" and "K-State hating media" would be all "blah blah blah."
So what we need is a pretty good coach to do something just kind of bad and victimless several times. Like Bobby Petrino running a cockfighting ring.
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Fresno is never good, why would Pat Hill be interesting?
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I don't see how any of them fit the Huggins model.
Plus, if those guys couldn't win at Tennessee, Miami or aTm, why would they win here? And why would Mike Riley leave his version of K-State to start over?
Coker went 60-15 at Miami, won a national championship and finished in the top 5 three times in six years. He won 12, 12, 11, 9, 9 and 7. If you want to say the Canes got worse every year he was there, that's fair, but he deserves at least some of the credit for The U's success and it's worth noting that the Canes have been in decline ever since he left.
Fulmer went 152-52 at Tennessee and also won a national championship. He's had more than a handful of top 10's and has won 10 or more games nine times in 16 years. Like Coker, Fulmer's teams got worse toward the end, but I would argue that the SEC also got significantly better. Meyer and Saban became king, and LSU has held their own since Miles has been there, too.
They've won plenty.
The other guys I've mentioned—Riley, Erickson and Hill—would all be compelling hires if "forced out" of their current gigs. I'm not suggesting K-State would target them and I have no clue if those guys would even be interested. But those types of guys would bring instant credibility and would have—although not nearly to the same extent—a Huggins-like impact.
Coker and Fulmer both used to be good. . . just like Snyder.
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Pat Hill
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Pat Hill
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:D
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Pat Hill
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This is a wet dream for non-tards(NDs) in TARD LAND. :curse:
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I think option 1 is the best of the two. Once the sexy coordinator reaches a certain level of success, he'll be off to a better gig in another conference. Up-and-coming coaches are more likely to be Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly than Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson.
Do not care. You know who never wanted to leave KSU? Jim rough ridin' Wooldridge, that's who.
Always hire the best coach available, worry about retaining when they actually. you know. win something.
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—George O'Leary
—Rick Neuheisel
—Mike Price
—Mike Leach
—Rich Rod (coming soon...)
—I'm sure a few others
Leach, in my opinion, is the college football equivalent of Huggins. He could go anywhere and I'd guarantee that his program would have instant relevance and be a competitor on the national stage within three years. The other guys would give you a chance, but far from a guarantee, I suppose.
Yeah. I would love Leach or Rich Rod. Is O'Leary still stigmatized? And Neuheisel is already serving his "K-State" sentence.
What's the worst thing a great coach could do and still be a realistically acceptable for us to hire? It's tough balance for us. I mean, for a really great coach to fall to us, he'd have to molest his daughter or something. And then the "alumni" and "K-State hating media" would be all "blah blah blah."
So what we need is a pretty good coach to do something just kind of bad and victimless several times. Like Bobby Petrino running a cockfighting ring.
After Rich Rod gets fired he definitely moves to the top of the goEMAW.com approved successor list
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The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach. We need him to do something really bad.
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The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach. We need him to do something really bad.
I'm thinking if RichRod got caught funding a Donkey Show he'd be ours until retirement.
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The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach. We need him to do something really bad.
The question is what can he do/be framed for that's bad enough he'll fall within our reach but not so terrible that he's unhirable? Would a DUI plus his current NCAA infractions suffice?
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I think option 1 is the best of the two. Once the sexy coordinator reaches a certain level of success, he'll be off to a better gig in another conference. Up-and-coming coaches are more likely to be Urban Meyer and Brian Kelly than Chris Petersen or Gary Patterson.
Do not care. You know who never wanted to leave KSU? Jim rough ridin' Wooldridge, that's who.
Always hire the best coach available, worry about retaining when they actually. you know. win something.
Why would you want to be really good for 3 years, when you can be mediocre for 10?
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The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach. We need him to do something really bad.
The question is what can he do/be framed for that's bad enough he'll fall within our reach but not so terrible that he's unhirable? Would a DUI plus his current NCAA infractions suffice?
That's probably about the exact point that he would have no better options and feel like a big enough loser that he has to accept a KSU offer and our admin would still take him (or at least they better)
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The worst thing about Rich Rod is that after getting fired he's still way out of our reach. We need him to do something really bad.
The question is what can he do/be framed for that's bad enough he'll fall within our reach but not so terrible that he's unhirable? Would a DUI plus his current NCAA infractions suffice?
That's probably about the exact point that he would have no better options and feel like a big enough loser that he has to accept a KSU offer and our admin would still take him (or at least they better)
Have we sucked long enough for our fanbase to look the other way on something like this? It took 20 years of sucking before we brought in Huggins. I don't want to believe we'd follow the same route in football. I mean, I completely can believe it. But I don't want to.
I'd suggest that a little bit of panic/desperation over conference realignment might help, but I doubt our fanbase gets that. Best case scenario is probably that Currie at least gets it and knows that all the criticism goes away once we start winning again.
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Think about this: When Bill finally hangs up the dentures half of our fanbase would be super excited if we hired Sean to replace him. So, yeah, don't undererstimate the rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) hickville fanbase of the KSU Cats.