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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pett on December 06, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
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Did anyone else hear him? When Will turned the ball over and fouled the kid on a layup to send him to the line Frank kept yelling at him, "Good job Will! Atta boy Will!", all while clapping his hands very sarcastically. This happened more than once. Then Juevol made a mistake and Frank did the EXACT same thing while clapping, "Good job Juevol! Atta boy Juevol!"
It's like punting a puppy. :frown:
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
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Remember when Bob Knight called Frank?
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bitching about Frank's antics? It doesn't get any powertardier. Mods, please merge this thread with the one about Frank's language and the one about players calling him by his first name.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
This pretty much puts an end to that line of reasoning.
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Always makes me think players won't want to play here.
But they all seem to love him so I guess it's all fine. :emawkid:
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Another neg. Curtis's "shazbot! man" right into the student section. :surprised:
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Another neg. Curtis's "shazbot! man" right into the student section. :surprised:
Loved his yell at the bench after getting fouled. Made all the players LOL :surprised:
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i don't like the sarcasm crap (as opposed to just yelling direct crap), either. but it's not at all new.
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Frank is fine boys. Grab a large popcorn and a diet coke and just enjoy the show.
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I would much rather him just yell crap instead of be all sarcastic.
It hurts my feelings and I'm in the stands. :cry:
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Love when he does this to Russell. :emawkid:
"Great Shot, Nick. Way to be a team player"
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I convince myself during each game that at least 3 of our guys are going to transfer immediately after the game. I have been thinking this for over 3 years now.
Then I remember not everyone on the team is as big a pussy as i am.
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I love the sarcasm in this thread.(?)
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You think that is sarcasm???
Greg McDermott told us he was building a successful program in Ames. Now that's sarcastic!!!
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I love the sarcasm in this thread.(?)
(!)
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rarity of occurences last night when Frank sat head down and said nothing for the whole timeout. :(
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great thread fellas, good job
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
that's my point dumbass, he can't even coach the talented kids, let alone the ones his staff of lazy drunks manage to sign.
that elite eight is going to hurt us more than anyone here realizes.
this team has regressed, we're no better than we were at this point last year- and are actually worse. i expect more out of a 4th year coach and program.
this team has no upside potential and those of you who think it does are setting yourselves up for an epic meltdown of epic meltdown proportions.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
that's my point dumbass, he can't even coach the talented kids, let alone the ones his staff of lazy drunks manage to sign.
that elite eight is going to hurt us more than anyone here realizes.
this team has regressed, we're no better than we were at this point last year- and are actually worse. i expect more out of a 4th year coach and program.
this team has no upside potential and those of you who think it does are setting yourselves up for an epic meltdown of epic meltdown proportions.
Well I didn't think this year's team was going to be better than last year's team. So I am really enjoying this K-State basketball.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
that's my point dumbass, he can't even coach the talented kids, let alone the ones his staff of lazy drunks manage to sign.
that elite eight is going to hurt us more than anyone here realizes.
this team has regressed, we're no better than we were at this point last year- and are actually worse. i expect more out of a 4th year coach and program.
this team has no upside potential and those of you who think it does are setting yourselves up for an epic meltdown of epic meltdown proportions.
Well I didn't think this year's team was going to be better than last year's team. So I am really enjoying this K-State basketball.
well you enjoy your mediocre iowa state cyclone type of season because that's where this train is headed. enjoy.
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Not going to lie, I'm a 100% Frankite. I like this basketball team and all its faults. We're still pretty darn good, maybe not quite as good as expected, but still very good.
And Frank's "buy in or quit" persona with all its talking points and mannerisms and staring only makes following Cat hoops even better.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
that's my point dumbass, he can't even coach the talented kids, let alone the ones his staff of lazy drunks manage to sign.
that elite eight is going to hurt us more than anyone here realizes.
this team has regressed, we're no better than we were at this point last year- and are actually worse. i expect more out of a 4th year coach and program.
this team has no upside potential and those of you who think it does are setting yourselves up for an epic meltdown of epic meltdown proportions.
flip flopper.
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frank has gone from strict disciplinarian to rough ridin' $!#* in my book. he acts like a bitch to cover up for he and his staff recruiting shitty players and then them not performing like 5-stars.
What's the book on Wally then?
Dumbass. :lol:
that's my point dumbass, he can't even coach the talented kids, let alone the ones his staff of lazy drunks manage to sign.
that elite eight is going to hurt us more than anyone here realizes.
this team has regressed, we're no better than we were at this point last year- and are actually worse. i expect more out of a 4th year coach and program.
this team has no upside potential and those of you who think it does are setting yourselves up for an epic meltdown of epic meltdown proportions.
flip flopper.
it's a preemptive bbs salvo sent over the heads of bbs'rs everywhere
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Not going to lie, I'm a 100% Frankite. I like this basketball team and all its faults. We're still pretty darn good, maybe not quite as good as expected, but still very good.
And Frank's "buy in or quit" persona with all its talking points and mannerisms and staring only makes following Cat hoops even better.
/thread
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flip flopper.
it's a preemptive bbs salvo sent over the heads of bbs'rs everywhere
good move imo. I feel stupid i didn't see it earlier.
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Well I didn't think this year's team was going to be better than last year's team. So I am really enjoying this K-State basketball.
congratulate yourself, mr. kk. what you're enjoying are the fruits of your own intelligence.
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ignorance is NOT bliss !
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I bet old jake wishes he got sarcasm instead of full frontal frank.
Frank two years ago: "You are the most rough ridin' selfish rough ridin' player that I have every rough ridin' coached in my rough ridin' career."
Jake: :blank:
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I bet old jake wishes he got sarcasm instead of full frontal frank.
Frank two years ago: "You are the most rough ridin' selfish rough ridin' player that I have every rough ridin' coached in my rough ridin' career."
Jake: :blank:
that was prolly sarcasm too. a leopard doesn't change his spots.
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Posters here are just knocking it out of the park. Keep it going.
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they just mentioned him on PTI. they said Frank Martin said he was sick to his stomach after winning by 34 points last night. tony was like he needs to stop talking and we have to stop listening
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they just mentioned him on PTI. they said Frank Martin said he was sick to his stomach after winning by 34 points last night. tony was like he needs to stop talking and we have to stop listening
Probably literally sick to his stomach. :barf:
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they just mentioned him on PTI. they said Frank Martin said he was sick to his stomach after winning by 34 points last night. tony was like he needs to stop talking and we have to stop listening
Probably literally sick to his stomach. :barf:
Got it from Judge? :ck:
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A ton of "Frank Martin Is Too Negative" threads popping up on GPC and Kstatefans right now.
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Stanbot should ask Frank: What about that half crawled up your as$?
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Its pretty simple really. Last year, our adorableness got us to the position of America's team. America thought the yelling was super cute! Now, Frank has to work hard to get everyone OFF our bandwagon just in time for February so that when we make a run (let me dream ok boys) we surprise the country again. He's just weeding out the hangers-on by being a huge jerk in a non-adorable way.
And who gives a crap what they say on PTI. You think Tony has watched 5 seconds of college basketball this year?
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You think Tony has watched 5 seconds of college basketball this year?
i listen to his radio show. he made a comment around thanksgiving comparing martin to pelini. pretty great, since kornheiser's not a college guy.
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I like PTI. WGAF if they don't know much about Frank. All they ever see is him yelling. Still an entertaining show.
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You think Tony has watched 5 seconds of college basketball this year?
i listen to his radio show. he made a comment around thanksgiving comparing martin to pelini. pretty great, since kornheiser's not a college guy.
i made this comparo to some ku buds of mine recently. the difference between frank and pelini is that frank is likeable, respected, and carries himself with class. /sentence
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just a btw, for anyone interested in something new to listen to. he's much better at radio than tv, imo.
http://www.thiswebsitestinks.com/thepodcast.asp
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Unlike Pelini, Frank doesn't blame loses on officiating.
The thing is Frank doesn't have a filter when watching his team. What comes into his head, comes out his mouth.
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Unlike Pelini, Frank doesn't blame loses on officiating.
The thing is Frank doesn't have a filter when watching his team. What comes into his head, comes out his mouth.
guys. we're not having the pelini/frank comparison discussion. because it is stupid.
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they just mentioned him on PTI. they said Frank Martin said he was sick to his stomach after winning by 34 points last night. tony was like he needs to stop talking and we have to stop listening
The irony of Kornheiser, a professional talker, saying Frank should stop talking.... :users:
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the difference is that Kornheiser gets paid to talk and Frank gets paid to coach.
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the difference is that Kornheiser gets paid to talk and Frank gets paid to coach.
True, but it is not like Frank is seeking the attention. People, like Kornheiser, are just paying attention because of Frank's elite status.
IMO, Frank's motivational strategies work on college kids and they produce more wins than they cost us games. I'm concerned that some K-Staters have too quickly forgotten about the Asbury-Wooldridge era of suckitude, great fake tans, and neck braces to truly appreciate where the program is currently. Guys like JHR would be a top 3 player on most of the Asbury-Wooldridge teams. Matt effing Siebrandt was arguably our best offensive player one year with his crab like left handed baby hook. To his credit, was pretty amazing how well he did perform in the Big 12. He was much better suited to play in the MAC or MVC.
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Sorry if luked.
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martins-antics-no-longer-funny
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Weird. Ppl only enjoy it when you're winning. Who knew this would come?
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good grief i was nails in this thread. #nailstradamus
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Martin appears oblivious that South Carolina is a rebuilding job, not a place he can win right away like K-State.
:gocho:
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Sorry if luked.
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martins-antics-no-longer-funny
I think lostlettermen.com just replaced bleacherreport as the most worthless source of sports news
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Sorry if luked.
http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martins-antics-no-longer-funny
I think lostlettermen.com just replaced bleacherreport as the most worthless source of sports news
because everything the author wrote is self-evident and could have been written 3 years ago?
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Lostletterman told me to "get a grip" yesterday. :frown:
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was frank being sarcastic there?
Also, that presser is great, especially when he talks about Beasley at the end.
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Lostletterman told me to "get a grip" yesterday. :frown:
That was a pretty great twitter PI'ing (you, not him)
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@GaryParrishCBS: Breaking: South Carolina has suspended Frank Martin for Saturday’s game at Mississippi State.
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welp
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Figger gets to coach a game. nice.
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:lol:
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I give Frank another year.
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Make him write a letter you sissy
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He'll be back to coaching middle schoolers in no time. :ROFL:
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@GaryParrishCBS: Breaking: South Carolina has suspended Frank Martin for Saturday’s game at Mississippi State.
LMAO, really?
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bad person should have answered the rough ridin' question.
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Wonder what the question was. :confused:
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Seth gonna Seth.
@SethDavisHoops: Very impressed by South Carolina for suspending Frank Martin. I like Frank, but it's time to draw the line.
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Chatkevicius is Serb form of Spradling. RIP Frank
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Seth gonna Seth.
@SethDavisHoops: Very impressed by South Carolina for suspending Frank Martin. I like Frank, but it's time to draw the line.
it's such a weird time and place to both discover and draw this line.
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What a bunch of pantywaists. <-(Kreuser can't spell apparently)
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bad person should have answered the rough ridin' question.
:thumbs:
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Can't wait for Dax to chime in, should be fun.
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i would like to see a google glass first person video of a player getting screamed at by frank
i would pay for it, even
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He should start a scared straight program for troubled youth.
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He should start a scared straight program for troubled yutes.
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"Everyone says, 'Times have changed. Kids have changed.' But they haven't changed," Martin said.
"It's adults who have changed. What we accept is what's changed. Our lack of demanding is what's changed."
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Good job, Frank. You can't be demanding without being abusive.
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If I was Currie, during the South Carolina game against Mississippi State, I'd be all like: @FrankMartin_SC hey what r u doin?
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Lostletterman told me to "get a grip" yesterday. :frown:
WillieWantabe and I took a run at lostlettermen earlier this basketball season, man that kid is dumb
Seth gonna Seth.
@SethDavisHoops: Very impressed by South Carolina for suspending Frank Martin. I like Frank, but it's time to draw the line.
to the Twitter to ask a very obvious question that Seth the juice king will ignore
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If I was Currie, during the South Carolina game against Mississippi State, I'd be all like: @FrankMartin_SC hey what r u doin?
:ROFL:
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Lostletterman told me to "get a grip" yesterday. :frown:
WillieWantabe and I took a run at lostlettermen earlier this basketball season, man that kid is dumb
I haven't figured out his fascination with Kstate yet. But hey, oscar Weber is still the Clemson of basketball!
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Haven't actually seen Frank in a while. Looks like his hair is turning white (however, so is mine :whistle1: ).
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Is it because he called the player an bad person?
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It's a great face he makes before he says it. I enjoyed that part. Top notch stuff there.
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Is it because he called the player an bad person?
He's already apologized publically for yelling at a player once this year.
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If I was Currie, during the South Carolina game against Mississippi State, I'd be all like: @FrankMartin_SC hey what r u doin?
it would be the greatest moment in the history of Twitter
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If I was Currie, during the South Carolina game against Mississippi State, I'd be all like: @FrankMartin_SC hey what r u doin?
I LOL'd pretty profusely
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Not going to lie, I'm a 100% Frankite. I like this basketball team and all its faults. We're still pretty darn good, maybe not quite as good as expected, but still very good.
And Frank's "buy in or quit" persona with all its talking points and mannerisms and staring only makes following Cat hoops even better.
:love:
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He gone.
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Not going to lie, I'm a 100% Frankite. I like this basketball team and all its faults. We're still pretty darn good, maybe not quite as good as expected, but still very good.
And Frank's "buy in or quit" persona with all its talking points and mannerisms and staring only makes following Cat hoops even better.
:love:
:D
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He gone.
very much possible
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Did South Carolina's AD not see the video of Frank calling our star player a MF as he was coming to the bench and the camera was zoomed in on his face....before they hired him?
Maybe Currie had that video hidden somewhere.......
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Did South Carolina's AD not see the video of Frank calling our star player a MF as he was coming to the bench and the camera was zoomed in on his face....before they hired him?
Maybe Currie had that video hidden somewhere.......
The AD that hired him left for aTm soon after Frank was hired. The current AD is a former USC baseball coach.
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So Frank to West Virginia as Huggie's assistant?
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Poor Frank
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So Frank to West Virginia as Huggie's assistant?
I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
:surprised:
This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.
We'd need Currie gone, Frank fired, Unds thriving, oscar failing, what else?
:excited:
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Did South Carolina's AD not see the video of Frank calling our star player a MF as he was coming to the bench and the camera was zoomed in on his face....before they hired him?
Maybe Currie had that video hidden somewhere.......
Jake wasn't the star of that team. Also as much as I love college basketball, that was like 34698430 years ago & no one remembers that in the realm of college basketball, I mean it was a K-State Oregon game in December of 2008. People will forget about this by Monday. If I said Fran McCaffery to you tell me what you immediately think of, I bet it isn't something really stupid he did less than 2 months ago.
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So Frank to West Virginia as Huggie's assistant?
I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
:surprised:
This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.
We'd need Currie gone, Frank fired, Unds thriving, oscar failing, what else?
:excited:
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Did South Carolina's AD not see the video of Frank calling our star player a MF as he was coming to the bench and the camera was zoomed in on his face....before they hired him?
Maybe Currie had that video hidden somewhere.......
you can get away with a lot of crap when you're not at the bottom of the worst major conference in D1
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Did South Carolina's AD not see the video of Frank calling our star player a MF as he was coming to the bench and the camera was zoomed in on his face....before they hired him?
Maybe Currie had that video hidden somewhere.......
Jake wasn't the star of that team. Also as much as I love college basketball, that was like 34698430 years ago & no one remembers that in the realm of college basketball, I mean it was a K-State Oregon game in December of 2008. People will forget about this by Monday. If I said Fran McCaffery to you tell me what you immediately think of, I bet it isn't something really stupid he did less than 2 months ago.
actually in the context of the thread the first thing I thought of when you mentioned McCaffery was the ejection and all the self-righteous twitterers saying they saw this coming.
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Is it because he called the player an bad person?
He's already apologized publically for yelling at a player once this year.
sure. but if he just says "answer the rough ridin' question", I don't think it's a big deal.
somewhere Shannon is smiling.
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ACC/Fringe SEC country sports radio was "shocked" by this suspension. RDU sports radio had a field day with it.
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/27/this-is-show-business-babe-a-day-with-brent-musburger-fran-fraschilla-and-the-big-monday-crew/
great article, love the section about my girl Holly, that section also contains the relevant Frank bit
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somewhere Shannon is smiling.
Shannon's been busy organizing a mutiny after monday's postgame.
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ACC/Fringe SEC country sports radio was "shocked" by this suspension. RDU sports radio had a field day with it.
they should be shocked, suspending a coach for saying those two words to a player sets a precedent that most ADs want no part of
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Did a little IM with a cohort in SC whose neighbor is a USCe trustee, lets just say there's one USCe Board of Trustee member who is not a Frankite.
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/27/this-is-show-business-babe-a-day-with-brent-musburger-fran-fraschilla-and-the-big-monday-crew/
great article, love the section about my girl Holly, that section also contains the relevant Frank bit
Holy crap, the fOOD!
Thomas Gipson had lost thirty pounds in the offseason. Rowe planned a little feature where she obtained thirty pounds of pizza dough from Pizza Hut to demonstrate this, and she put it in a bag under the scorer’s table. The game was close, the opportunity to do the bit never arose (this happens frequently in live basketball broadcasts), and the gym was heating up. The dough started rising, and Rowe had to stamp it down with her heels, as it overflowed onto the guy next to her.
Has any other fanbase anger-cooked a rough ridin' pizza?
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/27/this-is-show-business-babe-a-day-with-brent-musburger-fran-fraschilla-and-the-big-monday-crew/
great article, love the section about my girl Holly, that section also contains the relevant Frank bit
Holy crap, the fOOD!
Thomas Gipson had lost thirty pounds in the offseason. Rowe planned a little feature where she obtained thirty pounds of pizza dough from Pizza Hut to demonstrate this, and she put it in a bag under the scorer’s table. The game was close, the opportunity to do the bit never arose (this happens frequently in live basketball broadcasts), and the gym was heating up. The dough started rising, and Rowe had to stamp it down with her heels, as it overflowed onto the guy next to her.
Has any other fanbase anger-cooked a rough ridin' pizza?
:lol:
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ACC/Fringe SEC country sports radio was "shocked" by this suspension. RDU sports radio had a field day with it.
they should be shocked, suspending a coach for saying those two words to a player sets a precedent that most ADs want no part of
No, they pretty much clowned Frank all day. Sorry MIR
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I wonder if Frank will fly in to MHK for Spradling's senior day.
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/27/this-is-show-business-babe-a-day-with-brent-musburger-fran-fraschilla-and-the-big-monday-crew/
great article, love the section about my girl Holly, that section also contains the relevant Frank bit
Holy crap, the fOOD!
Thomas Gipson had lost thirty pounds in the offseason. Rowe planned a little feature where she obtained thirty pounds of pizza dough from Pizza Hut to demonstrate this, and she put it in a bag under the scorer’s table. The game was close, the opportunity to do the bit never arose (this happens frequently in live basketball broadcasts), and the gym was heating up. The dough started rising, and Rowe had to stamp it down with her heels, as it overflowed onto the guy next to her.
Has any other fanbase anger-cooked a rough ridin' pizza?
Omg
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Currie knew what he was doing when he got rid of Frank
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ACC/Fringe SEC country sports radio was "shocked" by this suspension. RDU sports radio had a field day with it.
they should be shocked, suspending a coach for saying those two words to a player sets a precedent that most ADs want no part of
No, they pretty much clowned Frank all day. Sorry MIR
:confused: what does that have to do with my post :dunno:
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ACC/Fringe SEC country sports radio was "shocked" by this suspension. RDU sports radio had a field day with it.
they should be shocked, suspending a coach for saying those two words to a player sets a precedent that most ADs want no part of
No, they pretty much clowned Frank all day. Sorry MIR
:confused: what does that have to do with my post :dunno:
It has to do with the fact that no one was shocked that he was suspended.
Most AD's don't have to deal with hyper abusive, immature coaches like Frank, so they really wouldn't know.
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How would Frank deal with a crazy psycho AD that screamed at him after every game for being a eff up? :dunno: I bet he would flee.
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Did anyone else hear him? When Will turned the ball over and fouled the kid on a layup to send him to the line Frank kept yelling at him, "Good job Will! Atta boy Will!", all while clapping his hands very sarcastically. This happened more than once. Then Juevol made a mistake and Frank did the EXACT same thing while clapping, "Good job Juevol! Atta boy Juevol!"
It's like punting a puppy. :frown:
I loved Frank so hard. No strong feelings either way now, but I miss this type of thing.
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Can you guys imagine having some new nimrod head coach like Frank at K-State with the losing record he has at South Carolina here? He'd last two seconds.
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Great thread title
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Whatever happens, Frank and his AD have a mess now. He's had an apology and a suspension in one year. ESPN already puts a camera on him, now they'll probably put two. Plus he's not winning.
Still, if gets some wins next year he'll probably be alright.
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He's got decent players coming in, right?
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He's got decent players coming in, right?
He did this year. Higher rankings than oscar's class.
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http://rivals.yahoo.com/southcarolina/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2013
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We'll see how many wanna stick around after this year too.
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Whatever happens, Frank and his AD have a mess now. He's had an apology and a suspension in one year. ESPN already puts a camera on him, now they'll probably put two. Plus he's not winning.
Still, if gets some wins next year he'll probably be alright.
I wonder if being at a football school is a plus or minus, here. You either get a little more slack because basketball isn't the focus, or the AD looks at you as a hassle and would rather can you than deal with you.
In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
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In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
Just like at K-State!
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Whatever happens, Frank and his AD have a mess now. He's had an apology and a suspension in one year. ESPN already puts a camera on him, now they'll probably put two. Plus he's not winning.
Still, if gets some wins next year he'll probably be alright.
I wonder if being at a football school is a plus or minus, here. You either get a little more slack because basketball isn't the focus, or the AD looks at you as a hassle and would rather can you than deal with you.
In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
good points. I think he may be in trouble. If the AD didn't have his eye on him, I don't think we see forced apologies and suspensions. Down there, bball really is just a hobby sport till football comes back round. If u can mind your manners and not embarrass the school, u can be a lifer in those parts. All things being equal, they'd rather have a southern gentleman getting his ass kicked around the hardwood than a maniac bad person. It's not a flattering look for SoSar.
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In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
Just like at K-State!
Good thing we have a GREAT AD!
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How fun would it be if Frank followed in Darrin Horn's footsteps and broadcast our games all the time?
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In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
Just like at K-State!
Honestly, I think Frank would do better at a school where basketball is the main focus.
I think he'd do really well in the Big East or A10. Just go somewhere that they can build on his brand and they're too desperate to lose him to get in the way of Frank being Frank.
His problem here and at SC, other than just the AD issues, is that he's second fiddle to a demigod football coach. He was the complete antithesis to Snyder, and SC already has a loose lipped nationally recognized coach. In either circumstance, he's either too different or too similar.
I'm sure he'll get another shot at some point. But I think he's reaching the tipping point in SC, and it's leaning to the bad.
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Whatever happens, Frank and his AD have a mess now. He's had an apology and a suspension in one year. ESPN already puts a camera on him, now they'll probably put two. Plus he's not winning.
Still, if gets some wins next year he'll probably be alright.
I wonder if being at a football school is a plus or minus, here. You either get a little more slack because basketball isn't the focus, or the AD looks at you as a hassle and would rather can you than deal with you.
In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
good points. I think he may be in trouble. If the AD didn't have his eye on him, I don't think we see forced apologies and suspensions. Down there, bball really is just a hobby sport till football comes back round. If u can mind your manners and not embarrass the school, u can be a lifer in those parts. All things being equal, they'd rather have a southern gentleman getting his ass kicked around the hardwood than a maniac bad person. It's not a flattering look for SoSar.
Also, his AD won 700+ baseball games and 2 NCs at South Carolina.
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Whatever happens, Frank and his AD have a mess now. He's had an apology and a suspension in one year. ESPN already puts a camera on him, now they'll probably put two. Plus he's not winning.
Still, if gets some wins next year he'll probably be alright.
I wonder if being at a football school is a plus or minus, here. You either get a little more slack because basketball isn't the focus, or the AD looks at you as a hassle and would rather can you than deal with you.
In this instance, I'm a little concerned that since his AD isn't the one that hired him, he's more at risk.
good points. I think he may be in trouble. If the AD didn't have his eye on him, I don't think we see forced apologies and suspensions. Down there, bball really is just a hobby sport till football comes back round. If u can mind your manners and not embarrass the school, u can be a lifer in those parts. All things being equal, they'd rather have a southern gentleman getting his ass kicked around the hardwood than a maniac bad person. It's not a flattering look for SoSar.
Also, his AD won 700+ baseball games and 2 NCs at South Carolina.
Good point. Basketball is arguably third string after baseball there, too.
So, the AD is paying a guy he continually reprimands over two million a year, and there's a good chance that Frank will finish in the bottom fourth of the conference for a second year in a row.
Taking personal feelings about Frank (positive or negative) out of the equation, it's just a bad situation.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
they put their arms around him tho.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
The most damning thing on Currie's resume isn't that he ran off his basketball coach.
It's that the coach left to take the job at South Carolina.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
The most damning thing on Currie's resume isn't that he ran off his basketball coach.
It's that the coach left to take the job at South Carolina.
Heh! He was a lot of fun tho, pan. Shame on you! :nono:
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I think he will be fine. Returns four starters and has two top 150 guys coming in for next year. Even making the NIT and showing significant improvement on this year should give him more time.
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goEMAW:
Frank- "Give him time! He'll turn it around."
oscar- "Give him time. He'll eff it up!"
:ROFL:
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Frank would do well following a retired coach or a Huggs situation, but asking him to build a program is a recipe for unmitigated disaster.
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It is kind of sad that his recruiting class is better than oscar's, but I'll take the Ws.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
The most damning thing on Currie's resume isn't that he ran off his basketball coach.
It's that the coach left to take the job at South Carolina.
Heh! He was a lot of fun tho, pan. Shame on you! :nono:
Frank was great fun, I was as Frankite as they come. But I still think he took a dumb job and I was never going to be more loyal to Frank than K-State. I don't wish for him to fail, but I really don't care that much other than he's a former coach here.
At K-State, I like what I see so far and I'm fully #bruceketball now.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
The most damning thing on Currie's resume isn't that he ran off his basketball coach.
It's that the coach left to take the job at South Carolina.
Heh! He was a lot of fun tho, pan. Shame on you! :nono:
I liked Frank. I hope he does well. I just don't think he made a wise move because he made an emotional decision versus a logical one. Or that's how I presume it went down anyway.
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I'm the same way, _fan. However, it's fun to watch some of our dumbass fans eat crow at the same time. :D
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jfc fanning, we get it.
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
Frank believed too much in his own legend.
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jfc fanning, we get it.
So we can have a thousand threads about "burning it down", but we can't retort? :flush: I guess you have a feel for how it felt after Frank. Insufferable!
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
The most damning thing on Currie's resume isn't that he ran off his basketball coach.
It's that the coach left to take the job at South Carolina.
this wasn't ever true despite what many thought and if you can't figure it out, these latest events only solidify the fact that currie made the right choice by not chasing after him.
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jfc fanning, we get it.
fanning is the Boris grishenko of goEMAW.com
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jfc fanning, we get it.
fanning is the Boris grishenko of goEMAW.com
And you're a geek who bitched about getting kicked off gopo.
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jfc fanning, we get it.
fanning is the Boris grishenko of goEMAW.com
And you're a geek who bitched about getting kicked off gopo.
haha yeah...
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
Frank is "terrifying?" :lol:
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Wussification of America!!
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Wussification of America!!
South Carolina style.
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Wussification of America!!
South Carolina style.
Yeah!!
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I don't think it's even arguable that basketball is 3rd. What a stupid job for Frank to take.
Beyond playing third fiddle at SoCar, Frank's biggest problem now is that he's working for an AD that didn't hire him, and is obviously growing tired of running interference for his unacceptable behavior. Which of course, follows the same pattern that plagued Frank at K-State before he cut and ran.
At some point, the dude is going to have to show some maturity and get his abusive behavior under control or this situation is going end as poorly as the last. Unfortunately for Frank, his lunatic antics act is no longer a cute sideshow that the media is laughing at anymore. He's now being portrayed as the abusive bully and is facing a much bigger image problem when he burns all the bridges at this job and decides to run off to the next.
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Winning cures all ills. He isnt winning. Hes mumped.
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fanning is just the worst
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
nice piece, those guys made some really salient points and mushed a lot of this thread
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Frank was mellowing out the last season and a half here. He still had his moments, but K-State was good for him and kept him leveled. Unfortunately South Carolina is such a shitty, racist state he was bound to get worse again. Sad, really.
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Fanning stop sub-posting. The difference in the expectations between Frank and oscar is their results and the status of the programs they took over. Every sane person in the world would have a higher bar and less rope for someone in oscar's position. Seems like you're willing to favorably compare K-State to South Carolina just so you can mush dumbasses. Not very EMAW of you :nono:
As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
nice piece, those guys made some really salient points and mushed a lot of this thread
The white haired guy is a wuss. Everyone I've talked to that have met Frank said he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, which I totally did not expect.
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Had a chance to listen to him speak and sit at a table with him during dinner and he is incredibly nice and down to earth. He is very passionate but, beyond body size, is not an intimidating individual. It's too bad that people only see his court antics and make judgements about his life.
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
nice piece, those guys made some really salient points and mushed a lot of this thread
The white haired guy is a wuss. Everyone I've talked to that have met Frank said he's one of the nicest people you'll ever meet, which I totally did not expect.
can confirm - also lol at the "Frank is 6'4"
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
I agree with this and I think he's hurt even more having an AD that was a coaching legend (granted, not in basketball) at his school.
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Nobody would care that much about the swearing. Where most people have the problem is the reality that Frank gets personal.
Hardly anyone would give a second thought if Frank told the kid that his play on the court was a giant pile of mother effing dog poop. But when he stands there and goes into his personalized, pissed off abusive tyrant shtick he's gonna get called on it.
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
On paper SoCar basketball is absolutely not getting better. In fact, you could easily argue that they've regressed in Frank's second year. I mean this team is as bad as or worse than any team in the 5 years before Frank arrived. And the SEC is weaker than it was in those 5 years.
13-14: 11-19 (4-13) - SEC RPI #7
12-13: 14-18 (4-14) - SEC #7
11-12: 10-21 (2-14) - SEC #3
10-11: 14-16 (5-11) - SEC #6
09-10: 15-16 (6-10) - SEC #4
08-09: 21-10 (10-6) - SEC #2
07-08: 14-18 (5-11) - SEC #5
On the recruiting front, Frank has done a decent job (2 4*,6 3*) , but in the 2 years before Frank arrived, Darrin Horn did a better job - with 3 4* and 4 3*.
Horn was the coach for 4 years before he got canned. He won a Division Title and NIT in year 1. He was fired after 3 straight subsequent losing seasons, combined 39-43 (13-35).
If they apply the Darrin Horn standard of success to Frank, another losing season in 14-15 will cost Frank his job.
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Jason King was on BITB yesterday talking about this. He discussed his eye-witnessed accounts of Bill Self using even more vulgar language than Frank, in practice. He pointed out that Bill called guys "blankety blanks" at practice, and not simply using curse words, but calling kids names using curse words.
However, King pointed out that Bill limits his vulgarity to practice.
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Jason King was on BITB yesterday talking about this. He discussed his eye-witnessed accounts of Bill Self using even more vulgar language than Frank, in practice. He pointed out that Bill called guys "blankety blanks" at practice, and not simply using curse words, but calling kids names using curse words.
However, King pointed out that Bill limits his vulgarity to practice.
And Self is also a good basketball coach, so his abuse is tolerated.
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Jason King was on BITB yesterday talking about this. He discussed his eye-witnessed accounts of Bill Self using even more vulgar language than Frank, in practice. He pointed out that Bill called guys "blankety blanks" at practice, and not simply using curse words, but calling kids names using curse words.
However, King pointed out that Bill limits his vulgarity to practice.
I've heard the same. Honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a college coach that isn't a demeaning bad person in practice.
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
On paper SoCar basketball is absolutely not getting better. In fact, you could easily argue that they've regressed in Frank's second year. I mean this team is as bad as or worse than any team in the 5 years before Frank arrived. And the SEC is weaker than it was in those 5 years.
13-14: 11-19 (4-13) - SEC RPI #7
12-13: 14-18 (4-14) - SEC #7
11-12: 10-21 (2-14) - SEC #3
10-11: 14-16 (5-11) - SEC #6
09-10: 15-16 (6-10) - SEC #4
08-09: 21-10 (10-6) - SEC #2
07-08: 14-18 (5-11) - SEC #5
On the recruiting front, Frank has done a decent job (2 4*,6 3*) , but in the 2 years before Frank arrived, Darrin Horn did a better job - with 3 4* and 4 3*.
Horn was the coach for 4 years before he got canned. He won a Division Title and NIT in year 1. He was fired after 3 straight subsequent losing seasons, combined 39-43 (13-35).
If they apply the Darrin Horn standard of success to Frank, another losing season in 14-15 will cost Frank his job.
you spent the time Jason King was on BITB yesterday talking about this. He discussed his eye-witnessed accounts of Bill Self using even more vulgar language than Frank, in practice. He pointed out that Bill called guys "blankety blanks" at practice, and not simply using curse words, but calling kids names using curse words.
However, King pointed out that Bill limits his vulgarity to practice.
I've heard the same. Honestly, I think you'd be hard pressed to find a college coach that isn't a demeaning bad person in practice.
yes they all swear, yes they all get on their guys.
but come on, frank takes things to a different level. screaming at a kid to "answer the rough ridin' question bad person" isn't the same as telling a kid that he's a pussy for not fighting through a screen.
with frank it isn't that he does things, it's how he does them that is the underlying issue and i believe that few coaches reach his level of whatever you want to call it.
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Answer the blankety blank question, blankety blank!
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yes they all swear, yes they all get on their guys.
but come on, frank takes things to a different level. screaming at a kid to "answer the rough ridin' question bad person" isn't the same as telling a kid that he's a pussy for not fighting through a screen.
It isn't?
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if it is to you that's weird
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yes they all swear, yes they all get on their guys.
but come on, frank takes things to a different level. screaming at a kid to "answer the rough ridin' question bad person" isn't the same as telling a kid that he's a pussy for not fighting through a screen.
It isn't?
There's an old adage you may be familiar with... "it's not what you say, it's how you say it."
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
On paper SoCar basketball is absolutely not getting better. In fact, you could easily argue that they've regressed in Frank's second year. I mean this team is as bad as or worse than any team in the 5 years before Frank arrived. And the SEC is weaker than it was in those 5 years.
13-14: 11-19 (4-13) - SEC RPI #7
12-13: 14-18 (4-14) - SEC #7
11-12: 10-21 (2-14) - SEC #3
10-11: 14-16 (5-11) - SEC #6
09-10: 15-16 (6-10) - SEC #4
08-09: 21-10 (10-6) - SEC #2
07-08: 14-18 (5-11) - SEC #5
On the recruiting front, Frank has done a decent job (2 4*,6 3*) , but in the 2 years before Frank arrived, Darrin Horn did a better job - with 3 4* and 4 3*.
Horn was the coach for 4 years before he got canned. He won a Division Title and NIT in year 1. He was fired after 3 straight subsequent losing seasons, combined 39-43 (13-35).
If they apply the Darrin Horn standard of success to Frank, another losing season in 14-15 will cost Frank his job.
I agree that he should be fired if he doesn't have a good season next year
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
On paper SoCar basketball is absolutely not getting better. In fact, you could easily argue that they've regressed in Frank's second year. I mean this team is as bad as or worse than any team in the 5 years before Frank arrived. And the SEC is weaker than it was in those 5 years.
13-14: 11-19 (4-13) - SEC RPI #7
12-13: 14-18 (4-14) - SEC #7
11-12: 10-21 (2-14) - SEC #3
10-11: 14-16 (5-11) - SEC #6
09-10: 15-16 (6-10) - SEC #4
08-09: 21-10 (10-6) - SEC #2
07-08: 14-18 (5-11) - SEC #5
On the recruiting front, Frank has done a decent job (2 4*,6 3*) , but in the 2 years before Frank arrived, Darrin Horn did a better job - with 3 4* and 4 3*.
Horn was the coach for 4 years before he got canned. He won a Division Title and NIT in year 1. He was fired after 3 straight subsequent losing seasons, combined 39-43 (13-35).
If they apply the Darrin Horn standard of success to Frank, another losing season in 14-15 will cost Frank his job.
I simply said they are better and they are. I watched this team play under Horn when their best player was a sophomore football player. Of course he's going to get fired if they don't improve next year, I don't think anyone is debating that, but they have much better players here than they did in 2012.
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yes they all swear, yes they all get on their guys.
but come on, frank takes things to a different level. screaming at a kid to "answer the rough ridin' question bad person" isn't the same as telling a kid that he's a pussy for not fighting through a screen.
It isn't?
There's an old adage you may be familiar with... "it's not what you say, it's how you say it."
Yeah, I'd agree with that. There's tons of factors at play. It's just interesting to me where these lines get drawn.
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As for Frank I'm not sure he's capable of cleaning this up until he has some very serious consequences for his behavior. I don't think he will get fired from USC for performance, they are absolutely getting better. I'm afraid this situation, caused by his demeanor, is untenable. If he doesn't change quickly he will be an assistant for the '15-'16 season. This continual focus on his demeanor, that he has created, is unfortunate because he's a very good basketball coach.
On paper SoCar basketball is absolutely not getting better. In fact, you could easily argue that they've regressed in Frank's second year. I mean this team is as bad as or worse than any team in the 5 years before Frank arrived. And the SEC is weaker than it was in those 5 years.
13-14: 11-19 (4-13) - SEC RPI #7
12-13: 14-18 (4-14) - SEC #7
11-12: 10-21 (2-14) - SEC #3
10-11: 14-16 (5-11) - SEC #6
09-10: 15-16 (6-10) - SEC #4
08-09: 21-10 (10-6) - SEC #2
07-08: 14-18 (5-11) - SEC #5
On the recruiting front, Frank has done a decent job (2 4*,6 3*) , but in the 2 years before Frank arrived, Darrin Horn did a better job - with 3 4* and 4 3*.
Horn was the coach for 4 years before he got canned. He won a Division Title and NIT in year 1. He was fired after 3 straight subsequent losing seasons, combined 39-43 (13-35).
If they apply the Darrin Horn standard of success to Frank, another losing season in 14-15 will cost Frank his job.
I simply said they are better and they are. I watched this team play under Horn when their best player was a sophomore football player. Of course he's going to get fired if they don't improve next year, I don't think anyone is debating that, but they have much better players here than they did in 2012.
MIR you made a definitive statement, "they are absolutely getting better" as if the issue couldn't be anything but true. belvis posted measurable indices that say otherwise. i don't think they're definitely better but maybe they are. it's up for debate i guess.
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
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I simply said they are better and they are. I watched this team play under Horn when their best player was a sophomore football player. Of course he's going to get fired if they don't improve next year, I don't think anyone is debating that, but they have much better players here than they did in 2012.
Admittedly, I don't watch SoCar bball. And obvs, haven't run out advanced stats on Frank teams v. Horn teams. but on paper, Frank's losers are every bit as bad as Horn's losers.
And, much of this thread is about whether Frank will get/deserves to get fired for his behavior/losing. Plenty of debate on this issue. You yourself said he won't get fired for performance. The question is whether Frank is a good enough coach to miraculously turn that crap show around in a single season and flip that record around to be in the conversation of an NIT bid.
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I simply said they are better and they are. I watched this team play under Horn when their best player was a sophomore football player. Of course he's going to get fired if they don't improve next year, I don't think anyone is debating that, but they have much better players here than they did in 2012.
Admittedly, I don't watch SoCar bball. And obvs, haven't run out advanced stats on Frank teams v. Horn teams. but on paper, Frank's losers are every bit as bad as Horn's losers.
And, much of this thread is about whether Frank will get/deserves to get fired for his behavior/losing. Plenty of debate on this issue. You yourself said he won't get fired for performance. The question is whether Frank is a good enough coach to miraculously turn that crap show around in a single season and flip that record around to be in the conversation of an NIT bid.
It depends on what sliding scale you use to tolerate his "Frankness". Does an NIT bid warrant the new AD putting up with the ranting and raving? Or would it need to be an NCAA bid? What level of sustained success does he need to have to keep his job year over year?
I think Frank puts himself in a tough situation with his style. You obviously tolerate it if you win at the level he did here, but even then, it puts strain on the AD because he's acting as a firewall to old money tucks who want Frank to clean it up. At what line of success does he cross from being an angry coach to an eccentric goofball? And does that translate from job to job?
I agree with folks that if he misses the NIT next year, he's done. But if he were more oscar like, and didn't rock the boat, he'd get four years instead of three because he's not causing problems other than losing.
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If Chetkadorkus refuses to play in the NIT next year, will Frank lose his job?
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I agree with folks that if he misses the NIT next year, he's done. But if he were more oscar like, and didn't rock the boat, he'd get four years instead of three because he's not causing problems other than losing.
this.
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I mean he'd almost definitely still be our coach if he had oscar's demeanor.
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:lol:
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I mean he'd almost definitely still be our coach if he had oscar's demeanor.
speaking of sarcasm being out of control, you need to check yourself before you find yourself in timeout.
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I mean he'd almost definitely still be our coach if he had oscar's demeanor.
speaking of sarcasm being out of control, you need to check yourself before you find yourself in timeout.
eff off, bad person.
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I mean he'd almost definitely still be our coach if he had oscar's demeanor.
oscar would have thrown Jamar under the bus so hard
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I mean he'd almost definitely still be our coach if he had oscar's demeanor.
oscar would have thrown Jamar under the bus so hard
Jamar would have played
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However, King pointed out that Bill limits his vulgarity to practice.
This is absolutely not true. I and many other parents on here have the foul-mouthed 4-year-olds that are evidence of this. Thanks for the great example for our kids, Bill!
:nono:
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http://youtu.be/bO3-htz4xGc
Frank is "terrifying?" :lol:
"ever been in his physical presence? I was ONCE and I didn't want to get any closer than 15 feet. he's TERRIFYING! he's THAT WIDE. he was a BOUNCER. he has a DEMONIC STARE. he is a TOTALLY TERRIFYING human being. I'll just tell you. wow. wooh (shudder)." :ROFL:
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Has any other fanbase anger-cooked a rough ridin' pizza?
Pffftt :lol:
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bad person should have answered the rough ridin' question.
bad person obviously didn't have his stats straight.
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bad person should have answered the rough ridin' question.
bad person obviously didn't have his stats straight.
What is LemonChex doing there??? :confused:
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
Sounds like you copy and pasted a KU fan's defense of the football team. :dunno:
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I knew the good people of Go Emaw would be talking about Frank. I'm a big Frank supporter, but I think he crossed the line. If that happened in practice, it would be a bit much, but there wouldn't have been donors calling the AD. Basketball is supported heavily at USC when we're decent. The last time we went to the NCAA's we averaged over 17,000 a game for SEC games, so there are certainly plenty of people that support decent basketball. Even in this abysmal season, we've had several crowds over 14,000 and we're 4-13 in the conference. FYI, basketball is clearly the 2nd sport at USC, even though the baseball team has been highly successful. WBB is moving up very quickly, too, as we were 10th in the country in attendance this season. I think Frank will survive this episode, but it's time to see improvement in wins and temper next season. Good luck the rest of the season.
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it's time to see improvement in wins and temper next season
only one of these is a variable, and i too hope it gets better next season :pix_martin:
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
I think you let your passion for argueing push you into corners you can't defend. You are a smart
guy who really knows his crap, but sometimes......... :Out on a limb:
Ps this is not about your current argument about Frank being any good. Although he isn't.
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I knew the good people of Go Emaw would be talking about Frank. I'm a big Frank supporter, but I think he crossed the line. If that happened in practice, it would be a bit much, but there wouldn't have been donors calling the AD. Basketball is supported heavily at USC when we're decent. The last time we went to the NCAA's we averaged over 17,000 a game for SEC games, so there are certainly plenty of people that support decent basketball. Even in this abysmal season, we've had several crowds over 14,000 and we're 4-13 in the conference. FYI, basketball is clearly the 2nd sport at USC, even though the baseball team has been highly successful. WBB is moving up very quickly, too, as we were 10th in the country in attendance this season. I think Frank will survive this episode, but it's time to see improvement in wins and temper next season. Good luck the rest of the season.
look at this dumbass
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
I think you let your passion for argueing push you into corners you can't defend. You are a smart
guy who really knows his crap, but sometimes......... :Out on a limb:
Ps this is not about your current argument about Frank being any good. Although he isn't.
I don't understand what is happening here, are you arguing that USC doesn't have better players than when Frank arrived?
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Franks signed a few 4* and handful of 3*. Same as Horn. So, really, players are bout the same as when he got there.
The larger point, though, is who gives a eff. The team still blows. Can't say they are clearly improving, simply because of a few nice recruits.
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
I think you let your passion for argueing push you into corners you can't defend. You are a smart
guy who really knows his crap, but sometimes......... :Out on a limb:
Ps this is not about your current argument about Frank being any good. Although he isn't.
I don't understand what is happening here, are you arguing that USC doesn't have better players than when Frank arrived?
No i don't really care about that.
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I don't see much evidence of USC getting better. Frank started off 10-3 in his first nonconference season. Since then, his record is utterly abysmal: 15-34 (.306). And he lost to South Carolina Upstate in this year's noncon, which I would guess is accepted by the USC alums as something like us losing to UMKC.
His biggest win (by far) happened only six days ago, against #17 UK, but at this point that looks like it might be a TCU over KU situation rather than a trend.
I made it pretty clear I was referring to the level of players they are putting on the floor. I think to make a judgment, with any value, on their improvement you need to go beyond checking the record on espn.com.
I think you let your passion for argueing push you into corners you can't defend. You are a smart
guy who really knows his crap, but sometimes......... :Out on a limb:
Ps this is not about your current argument about Frank being any good. Although he isn't.
I don't understand what is happening here, are you arguing that USC doesn't have better players than when Frank arrived?
No i don't really care about that.
:dunno:
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Frank has almost everybody coming back next year (one senior this year, and a couple of kids will probably get franked). He has a real nice looking point guard coming in next year, and Frank's offense is predicated on having a point guard that can get into the lane and make crap happen. They'll most likely be in the NIT next year, with a nice 3 year stretch of tourney years after that...assuming Frank can keep his nose clean.
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Frank has almost everybody coming back next year (one senior this year, and a couple of kids will probably get franked). He has a real nice looking point guard coming in next year, and Frank's offense is predicated on having a point guard that can get into the lane and make crap happen. They'll most likely be in the NIT next year, with a nice 3 year stretch of tourney years after that...assuming Frank can keep his nose clean.
Yeah, all signs certainly point to this team being a top 3-4 SEC team for the next 4 years. :facepalm:
IMO, the "everybody coming back" indicator of success only really applies to successful teams. If ur total dog crap, returning everybody prob isn't a good thing. Like, take TCU for example. They returned almost everybody from last years terrible team. And added a stud freshman, shepherd kid. And guess what, those terrible players are still terrible.
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
I dislike it. Like, I DNR most of this thread and I DR almost all threads.
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Frank has sucked at SC. I didn't think he would struggle as much. He's going to get canned next year, possibly mid year, if he continues to (a) suck and (b) be Frank. Also, I do not like his hair style.
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
I dislike it. Like, I DNR most of this thread and I DR almost all threads.
This thread really went next level. We've always had big time Frank fans. Now, we have people making excuses for him like homers normally do for their home team. Stuff like, "Just wait until he gets his own players in."
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
I dislike it. Like, I DNR most of this thread and I DR almost all threads.
You probably missed EMAW anger-cooking Holly Rowe's pizza then.
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
I dislike it. Like, I DNR most of this thread and I DR almost all threads.
This thread really went next level. We've always had big time Frank fans. Now, we have people making excuses for him like homers normally do for their home team. Stuff like, "Just wait until he gets his own players in."
Ya. I made this point and I was called "the worst" and MIR told me to stop sub posting or something like that. Frank super fans, folks!
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Well that didn't factor into it wacky
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I'm a fan of Frank and hope he does well.
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I'm a fan of Frank and hope he does well.
Well there is no chance of that.
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I'm a fan of Frank and hope he does well.
Well there is no chance of that.
lol
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Frank has almost everybody coming back next year (one senior this year, and a couple of kids will probably get franked). He has a real nice looking point guard coming in next year, and Frank's offense is predicated on having a point guard that can get into the lane and make crap happen. They'll most likely be in the NIT next year, with a nice 3 year stretch of tourney years after that...assuming Frank can keep his nose clean.
Yeah, all signs certainly point to this team being a top 3-4 SEC team for the next 4 years. :facepalm:
IMO, the "everybody coming back" indicator of success only really applies to successful teams. If ur total dog crap, returning everybody prob isn't a good thing. Like, take TCU for example. They returned almost everybody from last years terrible team. And added a stud freshman, shepherd kid. And guess what, those terrible players are still terrible.
Frank's my fav. I'm going to be 100% convinced that he'll get it turned around at South Carolina until the day that he gets fired. It's probably not totally rational, but I don't think my love for Frank has ever been particularly grounded in reality.
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Why the hell does frank look so much older than he did a couple years ago? He looks like a president in his second term in office.
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I'm starting to think Franks fiery brand of Cuban intensity isn't the healthiest way to live your life.
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I'm a fan of Frank and hope he does well.
Same
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
me too
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I'm a fan of the new Fritos® Chicken Enchilada Melt at Subway and I hope it does well.
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http://thebiglead.com/2014/02/27/this-is-show-business-babe-a-day-with-brent-musburger-fran-fraschilla-and-the-big-monday-crew/
great article, love the section about my girl Holly, that section also contains the relevant Frank bit
Holy crap, the fOOD!
Thomas Gipson had lost thirty pounds in the offseason. Rowe planned a little feature where she obtained thirty pounds of pizza dough from Pizza Hut to demonstrate this, and she put it in a bag under the scorer’s table. The game was close, the opportunity to do the bit never arose (this happens frequently in live basketball broadcasts), and the gym was heating up. The dough started rising, and Rowe had to stamp it down with her heels, as it overflowed onto the guy next to her.
Has any other fanbase anger-cooked a rough ridin' pizza?
:lol:
the word, for real
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I love that we have some Frank homers on this board.
I dislike it. Like, I DNR most of this thread and I DR almost all threads.
You probably missed EMAW anger-cooking Holly Rowe's pizza then.
To be fair, this probably deserved it's own thread.
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
This.
I'll pay attention to Frank because he was ours and I really liked him when he was here, but I'll put very little energy in hoping he does well.
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
This.
I'll pay attention to Frank because he was ours and I really liked him when he was here, but I'll put very little energy in hoping he does well.
energy? watching college basketball is fun
Frank has sucked at SC. I didn't think he would struggle as much. He's going to get canned next year, possibly mid year, if he continues to (a) suck and (b) be Frank. Also, I do not like his hair style.
They were absolutely brutal when he got there, he's already nearly completely turned that roster over. People want to blow Tubby Smith for what he did at Tech this year and they're no better than USC and Tubby was left a better roster.
Frank is under the microscope because of his demeanor not the on court product. People who actually watch the team see the improvement, this isn't me talking it's writers in South Carolina. That's more meaningful to me than 200 word posts that analyze the state of his program by going to gamecocksonline.com and looking at the schedule and results.
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
This.
I'll pay attention to Frank because he was ours and I really liked him when he was here, but I'll put very little energy in hoping he does well.
energy? watching college basketball is fun
I barely have enough time to watch KSU hoops and BBS about it, I don't have time for Frank.
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
This.
I'll pay attention to Frank because he was ours and I really liked him when he was here, but I'll put very little energy in hoping he does well.
energy? watching college basketball is fun
Frank has sucked at SC. I didn't think he would struggle as much. He's going to get canned next year, possibly mid year, if he continues to (a) suck and (b) be Frank. Also, I do not like his hair style.
They were absolutely brutal when he got there, he's already nearly completely turned that roster over. People want to blow Tubby Smith for what he did at Tech this year and they're no better than USC and Tubby was left a better roster.
Frank is under the microscope because of his demeanor not the on court product. People who actually watch the team see the improvement, this isn't me talking it's writers in South Carolina. That's more meaningful to me than 200 word posts that analyze the state of his program by going to gamecocksonline.com and looking at the schedule and results.
dude, frank isn't a good coach. i am certain of that.
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I'm a kstate fan and hope we do well
This.
I'll pay attention to Frank because he was ours and I really liked him when he was here, but I'll put very little energy in hoping he does well.
energy? watching college basketball is fun
Frank has sucked at SC. I didn't think he would struggle as much. He's going to get canned next year, possibly mid year, if he continues to (a) suck and (b) be Frank. Also, I do not like his hair style.
They were absolutely brutal when he got there, he's already nearly completely turned that roster over. People want to blow Tubby Smith for what he did at Tech this year and they're no better than USC and Tubby was left a better roster.
Frank is under the microscope because of his demeanor not the on court product. People who actually watch the team see the improvement, this isn't me talking it's writers in South Carolina. That's more meaningful to me than 200 word posts that analyze the state of his program by going to gamecocksonline.com and looking at the schedule and results.
I dunno. it's kind of a results business.
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I personally expended a great deal of energy when I posted that I hoped Frank does well. *whew*
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They are better. They went from 210 to 137 in kenpom. From -.13 to -.08 in SEC ppp differential.
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I personally expended a great deal of energy when I posted that I hoped Frank does well. *whew*
Hey, buy in or quit.
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Congrats to Matt Figger for equaling Frank Martin in total road wins at USCe in a two year period. Both have 1 each.
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Congrats to Matt Figger for equaling Frank Martin in total road wins at USCe in a two year period. Both have 1 each.
Nailed it! :gocho:
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I wouldn't say there's been improvement from year one to year two under Frank, but it wouldn't be fair to judge him based on that either. He sent like 7 players packing this past off-season. Then, our only returning PG left for the NFL. Then the PG who transferred from 'Nova broke his foot. Frank's basically been playing with a bunch of underclassmen and Brenton Williams(who actually has improved significantly under Frank). Take it for what it's worth, but I say all of that as someone who doesn't even like Frank very much.
Edit: also, Gregg Marshall was dying to be the coach at South Carolina for the longest time...so...I don't even care who coaches us anymore. Nothing matters, we're alone in the universe, and morality is an illusion.
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Great post. Welcome DT
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Should we tell this taco guy about 'franking' or just let him think that 7 players leaving is a fluke thing?
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Should we tell this taco guy about 'franking' or just let him think that 7 players leaving is a fluke thing?
Oh, I'm aware. Like I said, I'm not a Frank fan.
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So here we have a fan of food who frowns on Frank :(
iambs, beaches :gocho:
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So here we have a fan of food who frowns on Frank :(
iambs, beaches :gocho:
Should split it into two lines, and make it trimeter.
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If you buy into the "frankin'" philosophy, it is possibe for Frank to Frank himself? I suspect so.
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10569341/south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-frank-martin-sorry-outburst
"I'm not perfect. I've got issues and I've got to work through them. I met with my athletic director and fully support his decision,"
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10584961/frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-coach-players-support
"I personally don't think he needs to change," Thornwell said. "We like the way he is now. How he coaches is how he coaches. And you can't really get mad at a guy for showing that much passion."
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Frank. Just Frank.
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I'm pretty sure all of Frank's Freshman liked him year 1 @ K-State. 2-4 years of that crap is a different story, I'm sure.
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Nothing matters, we're alone in the universe, and morality is an illusion.
:frown:
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I'm pretty sure all of Frank's Freshman liked him year 1 @ K-State. 2-4 years of that crap is a different story, I'm sure.
sure if you want to ignore what like all of his former players who don't get franked say, even Dom still looks back fondly, I'm not sure he ever trashed Frank
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I'm pretty sure all of Frank's Freshman liked him year 1 @ K-State. 2-4 years of that crap is a different story, I'm sure.
sure if you want to ignore what like all of his former players who don't get franked say, even Dom still looks back fondly, I'm not sure he ever trashed Frank
I'd say it's 50/50. I'm sure i'm wrong. :dunno: I can agree i'm biased.
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FTB!
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/12/4885084/notice-south-carolina-drop-auburn.html
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FTB!
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http://www.kansascity.com/2014/03/12/4885084/notice-south-carolina-drop-auburn.html
Great job, Frank. Also love the cufflinks. Have a few of my own.
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Vaycay beard, atta boy Frank
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Frank got a coach fired tonight, dick move...jk #franksmyhero #frankthegreat #frankforSCgov
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lol
go frank
go cats
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What if the Gamecocks win the SEC tornament? :surprised:
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Kim English ?@Englishscope24 10m
I don't know if he'll leave South Carolina. But USF would be crazy not to give Frank Martin a call w/ his Florida connections.
Would/should Frank consider it? Would it be better than SC? :dunno:
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thats a gr8 ? 2 ponder
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Yes, he should. Easier area for him to recruit, an AD who isn't trying to force him out, and just a better place (location) to be in in general.
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Yes, he should. Easier area for him to recruit, an AD who isn't trying to force him out, and just a better place (location) to be in in general.
I think that would be a great fit for Frank.
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He should take that job and move the whole university to south florida.
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Sounds like USF is hiring the Manhattan coach. Frank remains in the South Carolina cesspool. Just wait, Frank will lead the Gamecocks to a better record than oscar's "eat at all the great restaurants, team building Christmas exercising" Wildcats.
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usf would be a great opportunity for frank to reset his "shot clock"
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usf would be a great opportunity for frank to reset his "shot clock"
Tampa is my second home. He needs to stay the eff out!
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Sounds like USF is hiring the Manhattan coach.
:sdeek:
http://tbo.com/sports/colleges/usf-bulls/usf-deal-with-coach-falls-through-20140326/
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An "undetected discrepancy?" A "major snag" indeed. Sounds like the search may be back on.
Go get 'em, Frank.
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It's a bad deal for USF, but what a mess for Manhattan and that coach.
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An "undetected discrepancy?" A "major snag" indeed. Sounds like the search may be back on.
Go get 'em, Frank.
No way Frank wants that kind of scrutiny. Will pass.
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An "undetected discrepancy?" A "major snag" indeed. Sounds like the search may be back on.
Go get 'em, Frank.
No way Frank wants that kind of scrutiny. Will pass.
frank better be sure to list EXACTLY the number of years he was a math teacher, ya know.
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An "undetected discrepancy?" A "major snag" indeed. Sounds like the search may be back on.
Go get 'em, Frank.
No way Frank wants that kind of scrutiny. Will pass.
frank better be sure to list EXACTLY the number of years he was a math teacher, ya know.
I'm sure the Miami New Times has that in a spreadsheet somewhere if he needs it.
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The aggression of admissions standards must be stopped! :ohno:
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
Frank learned from Hugs. What else should we expect?
I do think it's a bit overstated though, the extent that player turnover sinks a program. Were we that worse off without Dom and Sally?
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
Frank learned from Hugs. What else should we expect?
I do think it's a bit overstated though, the extent that player turnover sinks a program. Were we that worse off without Dom and Sally?
Its way overstated, especially when the D1 transfer rate is 40%.
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
Frank learned from Hugs. What else should we expect?
I do think it's a bit overstated though, the extent that player turnover sinks a program. Were we that worse off without Dom and Sally?
Dom, yes. Sally, no.
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
Frank learned from Hugs. What else should we expect?
I do think it's a bit overstated though, the extent that player turnover sinks a program. Were we that worse off without Dom and Sally?
Dom, yes. Sally, no.
yeah, Alec Burks just hit another pull up over Pullen :curse:
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Franking!
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10943930/south-carolina-gamecocks-jaylen-shaw-desmond-ringer-transfer
Frank learned from Hugs. What else should we expect?
I do think it's a bit overstated though, the extent that player turnover sinks a program. Were we that worse off without Dom and Sally?
Dom, yes. Sally, no.
Sally, actually fits for Wally Judge.