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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
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I bet he giggled a little when he said it.
GIGGLED.
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
I saw things as well and I make a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) look like a football coach. :facepalm: I hope the eff that a D1 coach could see what the Nubbs did to our assholes that night.
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I bet he giggled a little when he said it.
GIGGLED.
Here's to hoping the game turns out like Auburn/ Mississippi State from 2008.
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:horrorsurprise:
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Step 1.) QB draw
Step 2.) Stack the box
Step 3.) :pbj: :party:
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Gill is a bigger Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) than I thought. Everyone knows our defense sucks, it's fortunate that uk doesn't have nearly the skill or speed that Nebraska has. So what if he "saw some things", it's not like they can really take advantage of it.
Or can they?!? :runaway:
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Ron Prince before the Auburn game. "We know some things" :flush:
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Is ther a chance that Cosh did a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) scheme against NU on purpose, knowing we were overmatched, and didn't care that our players were out of position most of the time? All so we could make the ku O look Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when we schemed correctly?
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Gill is a bigger Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) than I thought. Everyone knows our defense sucks, it's fortunate that uk doesn't have nearly the skill or speed that Nebraska has. So what if he "saw some things", it's not like they can really take advantage of it.
Did you see the Nebraska game? Eureka High School could have exploited the defense. KU isn't as good as Nebraska, so that means they will average 30 ypr on the zone read play instead of 60.
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Everybody "saw things.". The problem is that nobody else has a QB that runs a 2.8 second 40.
Sorry Jordan.
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Reminds me of the sequence from Role Models:
Heard that.
Really?
Did you hear that?
Maybe you heard that because
you're 2 feet away from us.
That's another one I hate. "Heard that!"
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Yes, there were plenty of things to see. But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU. If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them. Really. Make him keep it and take away Sims. Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did. I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.
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Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him. His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched. As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues. The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play. If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage. That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.
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Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him. His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched. As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues. The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play. If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage. That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.
The ends actually didn't play that bad. We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss. And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.
Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense. I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays.
Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen. Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.
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KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did
They might not be able to block us, period. (http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-11/ku_loses_another_lineman)
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Don't disagree with any of that, however remember that NU ran for 10 yards a pop, many of that coming when we completely sold out for the run. KU won't need anything close to that many to be successful. They also will take more shots up top than Nebraska did which is also problematic. The root issue is that the e-line needs too much help. Webb may not be a threat to go for 50 yards, but he can keep plays alive with his feet, and we are so slow if the staff can't find some way to confuse him with schemes, then they may have a pretty successful and balanced attack.
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Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him. His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched. As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues. The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play. If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage. That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.
The ends actually didn't play that bad. We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss. And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.
Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense. I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays.
Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen. Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.
I was nodding my head until this. Our front 7 is small, weak, slow and dumb. I think most teams we play will be able to block us 1 on 1. Just MHO but no one but Harold should inspire a double team, and him only on 3rd and long.
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Martinez's speed is the reason he ran away from the secondary without having anyone within 15 yards of him. His speed was not the cause of him waltzing through the front 7 without any threat of being touched. As I said before Nebraska obviously has much more talent than KU, but that doesn't mean that KU can't run successfully if the defense doesn't patch some of its issues. The ends bit on that zone read every time and were not quick enough or decisive enough to make a play. If you can't get to the point of attack in enough time, stay home, mitigate the damage. That performance cannot be explained away with Nebraska's talent alone, the coaching staff better patch this leaking boat up.
The ends actually didn't play that bad. We had many more issues from LBs, DTs, and Ss. And many of the run fit issues can be fixed.
Also, I will point out that knowing the speed of Martinez and the quality of Helu puts a ton more pressure on the defense. I simply think that knowing Webb is not much of a threat, knowing that Sims is a decent, but not great back, and knowing that KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did will make a big difference in our ability to make plays.
Plus, KU will not be able to scheme us like NU did, as I noted they ran some of the most creative and unique looks of zone read that I've ever seen. Even if KU wanted to run it, no way you can put that in over a week and a half and run it like NU did.
Haven't been able to watch the entire game _Fan, but it appears like we pretty well contained the zone read early in the game. Did NU change anything with the play or was it just a case of the defense wearing down?
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Our front 7 is small, weak, slow and dumb.
KU's o-line is small, weak, slow, dumb, and riddled with injuries.
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KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did
They might not be able to block us, period. (http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-11/ku_loses_another_lineman)
It needs to be noted that KU's rush defense stats look very similar to ours pre-Nebraska.
I'm just going to throw that out there.
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KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did
They might not be able to block us, period. (http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-11/ku_loses_another_lineman)
Everyone has been able to block us. The saving grace has been that it appears that the d-line seems relatively well conditioned and has made big plays in the 4th quarters of the UCLA, ISU, AND UCF games. I don't think bend but don't break applies to the d-line in most cases, unless you actually want them to be standing straight up, 3 yards behind the los.
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Haven't been able to watch the entire game _Fan, but it appears like we pretty well contained the zone read early in the game. Did NU change anything with the play or was it just a case of the defense wearing down?
They had some very nice wrinkles to their zone read, Martinez wasn't just reading DEs, at times he read LBs and even DTs. They ran zone read with basically a power look by pulling an OG. They ran zone read with stretch zone to the same side.
So my thinking that we will have much more success against KU is not only personnel and speed, but I simply don't think KU will be able to run the same wrinkles. And we have much less pressure on us than we did against UCLA, ISU, or CFU because the QB for all those teams was a legit threat. That simply is not the case against KU. Now, I'm not saying we will completely shut KU down, and Long is smart enough to throw in some different wrinkles that exploit our weaknesses, but I don't think it will be zone read near as much this week.
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KUs offensive line won't be able to block us one on one like NU did
They might not be able to block us, period. (http://cjonline.com/sports/football/2010-10-11/ku_loses_another_lineman)
It needs to be noted that KU's rush defense stats look very similar to ours pre-Nebraska.
I'm just going to throw that out there.
Yeah KUs defense is gross. UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither. Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked. It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack. I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.
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Yeah KUs defense is gross. UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither. Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked. It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack. I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.
Great point. I'm sure the 10s of KU football fans will be pointing to their GT win as evidence that they can stop a running team, but you are correct that stopping the flexbone triple option is much different than stopping our multiple scheme running attack. We should be able to have success on the ground, and hopefully set up some big plays in the passing game, similar to against CFU. Now, I hope it doesn't take us 3 quarters to get the ground game going like it did in that game. Honestly it shouldn't, CFU likely has a much more talented defense than KU does.
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Yeah KUs defense is gross. UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither. Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked. It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack. I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.
Great point. I'm sure the 10s of KU football fans will be pointing to their GT win as evidence that they can stop a running team, but you are correct that stopping the flexbone triple option is much different than stopping our multiple scheme running attack. We should be able to have success on the ground, and hopefully set up some big plays in the passing game, similar to against CFU. Now, I hope it doesn't take us 3 quarters to get the ground game going like it did in that game. Honestly it shouldn't, CFU likely has a much more talented defense than KU does.
Well, I highly doubt that we'll focus on double teaming any of their defensive ends and allowing our interior line to go one on one with smaller, more athletic defensive tackles like we did against UCF.
My guess is that we'll see a lot of rushing between the tackles and zone stretch plays where our line can just try to push them off of the LOS, let DT break a tackle and get free for a bigger gain.
Honestly, I'd pretty much mimic the entire offensive gameplan from the ISU game.
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We're probably better than KU, and we should win, but we're going to lose. :frown:
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Smokin' hot Xing and Oing in this thread folks... :popcorn:
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Yeah KUs defense is gross. UCF and NU were able to stack the box because they are fast and physical, KU is neither. Stacking the box means nothing if you are constantly getting trucked. It's also worth noting that KU has yet to see a physical rushing attack. I consider GTs run game a finesse attack.
Great point. I'm sure the 10s of KU football fans will be pointing to their GT win as evidence that they can stop a running team, but you are correct that stopping the flexbone triple option is much different than stopping our multiple scheme running attack. We should be able to have success on the ground, and hopefully set up some big plays in the passing game, similar to against CFU. Now, I hope it doesn't take us 3 quarters to get the ground game going like it did in that game. Honestly it shouldn't, CFU likely has a much more talented defense than KU does.
It also helped that at halftime of the GT game Turner Gill figured out that GT simply wasn't going to throw the ball ever and brought everybody up to the line. I think the qb for GT had something like 10 pass attempts for 40 yards through the first six quarters of the season. At least Queso can hit some slants/bubble screens/check downs to Thomas that will either prevent KU stacking the box, or get more yards than they should a la Baylor.
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this as potential bulletin board material. Do you think this would even motivate them (ksu team) or do think they would just agree with his assessment? :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this as potential bulletin board material. Do you think this would even motivate them (ksu team) or do think they would just agree with his assessment? :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
No one mentioned it because bulletin board material means nothing as it relates to the play on the field. Doesn't make you bigger, faster, stronger, or play smarter.
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We're probably better than KU, and we should win, but we're going to lose. :frown:
:frown:
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
I'm surprised no one has mentioned this as potential bulletin board material. Do you think this would even motivate them (ksu team) or do think they would just agree with his assessment? :dunno: (ftp://:dunno:)
No one mentioned it because bulletin board material means nothing as it relates to the play on the field. Doesn't make you bigger, faster, stronger, or play smarter.
51,115 people, and countless millions who saw highlights on ESPN 'saw things'. What was there was obvious to anyone.
It's not like Gill cracked some sort of DaVinci code regarding out defense. We suck against the run. We suck, particularly, against teams that can run with their QB. There's no wrinkle he and Chuck Long will find that will change that.
Also, I'm sure our coaches 'saw things' when breaking down KU's tape. Like how slow they are. Like how they defend the pass even worse than they defend the run. And how their QB situation is pretty much as bad as ours, and their skill players aren't nearly as good as ours either.
The only thing, IMO, that gives KU a fighting chance in this game is home field advantage.
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rumblings about purple paint on Anderson Family Football Complex!
:ohno:
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rumblings about purple paint on Anderson Family Football Complex!
:ohno:
:horrorsurprise:
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Everyone that posted in this thread prior to me is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The mind numbing levels of LFBIQ on this is astounding. It's almost like you people have never actually watched a game of football before.
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Coach Radio is all over this game, we are in deep crap.
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:flush:
Well it was a good thread until these idiots came around missing all over the carpet.
:Mods: lock it up.
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Coach Radio is all over this game, we are in deep crap.
Wow, just wow.
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If Zimmerman sees the field - there is a decent chance we go DOWN. Dude takes worse angles than my son's flag football team. Christ.
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If Zimmerman sees the field - there is a decent chance we go DOWN. Dude takes worse angles than my son's flag football team. Christ.
of anyone, you're gonna pick on Zimmerman for taking bad angles?
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If Zimmerman sees the field - there is a decent chance we go DOWN. Dude takes worse angles than my son's flag football team. Christ.
of anyone, you're gonna pick on Zimmerman for taking bad angles?
+1
Lamur spent all last game acting like he was blindfolded in a potato sack race. And dude is picking on Zimmerman?
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K-State's defense made it easy even before the ball was snapped, we left so many holes just by the way we lined up it was absurd.
Honestly I'll play the :cyclist: for a second, that was the worst defensive scheme I've seen at K-State since before Snyder . . . when you could sit up in the stands and see just by the way our defense was aligned where the other team was going to go. In almost every instance under Snyder where we have been clowned it was because the other team was simply better and had better athletes . . . not because we gave them natural running lanes just by the way we lined up that was exploited by better athletes. I hate this defense . . . and it's only amplified by our shitty linebackers.
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Everyone that posted in this thread prior to me is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The mind numbing levels of LFBIQ on this is astounding. It's almost like you people have never actually watched a game of football before.
There's always gopowertard.com. You'd be right at home over there.
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We're probably better than KU, and we should win, but we're going to lose. :frown:
+1, Cire. :surprised:
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K-State's defense made it easy even before the ball was snapped, we left so many holes just by the way we lined up it was absurd.
Honestly I'll play the :cyclist: for a second, that was the worst defensive scheme I've seen at K-State since before Snyder . . . when you could sit up in the stands and see just by the way our defense was aligned where the other team was going to go. In almost every instance under Snyder where we have been clowned it was because the other team was simply better and had better athletes . . . not because we gave them natural running lanes just by the way we lined up that was exploited by better athletes. I hate this defense . . . and it's only amplified by our crapty linebackers.
Perhaps it was designed to give up plays >60 yards to QB's (like 3 of them)?
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K-State's defense made it easy even before the ball was snapped, we left so many holes just by the way we lined up it was absurd.
Honestly I'll play the :cyclist: for a second, that was the worst defensive scheme I've seen at K-State since before Snyder . . . when you could sit up in the stands and see just by the way our defense was aligned where the other team was going to go. In almost every instance under Snyder where we have been clowned it was because the other team was simply better and had better athletes . . . not because we gave them natural running lanes just by the way we lined up that was exploited by better athletes. I hate this defense . . . and it's only amplified by our crapty linebackers.
Do what _FAN did and go through the scoring plays and tell us where the defensive alignment was wrong. Tell us where the holes were...
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It looked like we were lining up with 9 people each play.
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It looked like we were lining up with 9 people each play.
I noticed we rushed three on one of the TDs.
That tends to work out well against primarily rushing teams.
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I'm sure the 10s of KU football fans will be pointing to their GT win as evidence that they can stop a running team
Sure, they stopped 'em alright: stopped 'em short of 300 rushing yards...by 9 yards. That was at a 5.6 YPC clip, by the way.
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K-State's defense made it easy even before the ball was snapped, we left so many holes just by the way we lined up it was absurd.
Honestly I'll play the :cyclist: for a second, that was the worst defensive scheme I've seen at K-State since before Snyder . . . when you could sit up in the stands and see just by the way our defense was aligned where the other team was going to go. In almost every instance under Snyder where we have been clowned it was because the other team was simply better and had better athletes . . . not because we gave them natural running lanes just by the way we lined up that was exploited by better athletes. I hate this defense . . . and it's only amplified by our crapty linebackers.
Do what _FAN did and go through the scoring plays and tell us where the defensive alignment was wrong. Tell us where the holes were...
The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun. All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left. They block one little DE and they're off to the races. Completely clowned by formation in that case. I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.
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The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun. All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left. They block one little DE and they're off to the races. Completely clowned by formation in that case. I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.
We actually were still gap sound in that look, even thought the LBs could've possibly bumped over another half gap away from the trips. In _FANalysis I pointed out the scheme NU used there, but I didn't point out the formation, and yes, it did create space to the right side of the formation. NU used an unbalanced and overloaded set, not only did they have trips left, but they also lined up their TE to the left, covering him up with one of the WRs. That left only OG and OT to the backside of the play. We adjusted to it adequately, with a DE to the C gap, LB for the B gap, NG for the A gap away from the trips side with a safety over the top. Even when NU's double team whipped the NG and their OT did a great job widening the DE, we should've had Slaughter scraping to the RB cutback and Hartman over the top. The problem was BOTH Slaughter and Hartman filled the A gap the the trips side and by the time they rerouted on Helu's cutback, it was too late. But this was not become of some terrible alignment, it was poor execution on run fits, which was our problem the entire evening.
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I hate Hartuan.
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The one the really sticks out to me was when they had Trips out to the Left and ran Helu back to the right in a little read play out of the gun. All they had to do was look out there and see that we had basically no one at the 2nd level on their right, our left. They block one little DE and they're off to the races. Completely clowned by formation in that case. I was watching on TV and said before they even snapped the ball that if Martinez just looks out to his right they'll run that way because all that was out there from the hash to the sideline was FieldTurf.
We actually were still gap sound in that look, even thought the LBs could've possibly bumped over another half gap away from the trips. In _FANalysis I pointed out the scheme NU used there, but I didn't point out the formation, and yes, it did create space to the right side of the formation. NU used an unbalanced and overloaded set, not only did they have trips left, but they also lined up their TE to the left, covering him up with one of the WRs. That left only OG and OT to the backside of the play. We adjusted to it adequately, with a DE to the C gap, LB for the B gap, NG for the A gap away from the trips side with a safety over the top. Even when NU's double team whipped the NG and their OT did a great job widening the DE, we should've had Slaughter scraping to the RB cutback and Hartman over the top. The problem was BOTH Slaughter and Hartman filled the A gap the the trips side and by the time they rerouted on Helu's cutback, it was too late. But this was not become of some terrible alignment, it was poor execution on run fits, which was our problem the entire evening.
That's fine . . . you can use all the coach speak x's and o's you want to all day. You could see the running lanes before the ball was even snapped. Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster. When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays. In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer. After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.
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Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster. When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays. In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer. After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.
I don't disagree with any of that.
What the heck is wrong with x's and o's speak? I was just saying it wasn't a completely unsound alignment; I agree we don't have the horses to necessarily execute it, but that is a completely different topic. Besides, if we'd overadjusted to that formation (or any other), it just opens up something else. That's always the case when you have average (or worse) players at multiple positions.
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Everyone that posted in this thread prior to me is a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). The mind numbing levels of LFBIQ on this is astounding. It's almost like you people have never actually watched a game of football before.
There's always gopowertard.com. You'd be right at home over there.
This post is worth bumping.
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Our defense does not have to be good to knock off KU. They are a cluster #$&( on offense. KSU's offense is key. Put in Lemur at QB. Run side to side all day. KU will not be able to keep up. We don't have to move between the tackles.
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We're probably better than KU, and we should win, but we're going to lose. :frown:
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felt this way against ucla, isu, and ucf.
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Yes, there were plenty of things to see. But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU. If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them. Really. Make him keep it and take away Sims. Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did. I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.
i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win. all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6. And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week. Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's
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Yes, there were plenty of things to see. But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU. If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them. Really. Make him keep it and take away Sims. Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did. I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.
i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win. all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6. And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week. Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's
No doubt, I don't disagree with any of that. I guess I'm just crazy/stupid enough to believe a) we are a better football team than KU despite our issues and b) we should be able to handle the worst team in the league, even on the road. This doesn't mean I think we will win comfortably, but I think we should win. We've already beat 3 teams better than the one we'll see Thursday night. I'm also of the belief that knowing your opponent doesn't have a threat like Martinez or Helu means you will play with more confidence, and playing with confidence usually leads to making more plays. Of course, if we let KU drive down for a couple early scores, all that goes out the window.
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Yes, there were plenty of things to see. But KU is worse at every position on the field when compared to NU. If they try to run Webb on a ton zone read, we will abuse them. Really. Make him keep it and take away Sims. Plus, KU's offensive line will not be able to handle us like NU's did. I really think we'll see a much improved defense this week, I'm more worried about the offense honestly.
i know you know this, but webb doesn't have to be martinez and ku's offense doesn't have to be nu's offense for ku to win. all webb has to do is not turn it over and tuck it and run for first downs on 3rd and 6. And it's not that difficult to throw in a few unbalanced looks in one week. Also, if Gill was paying attention he'll wear Biere out all game on our safeties/LB's
No doubt, I don't disagree with any of that. I guess I'm just crazy/stupid enough to believe a) we are a better football team than KU despite our issues and b) we should be able to handle the worst team in the league, even on the road. This doesn't mean I think we will win comfortably, but I think we should win. We've already beat 3 teams better than the one we'll see Thursday night. I'm also of the belief that knowing your opponent doesn't have a threat like Martinez or Helu means you will play with more confidence, and playing with confidence usually leads to making more plays. Of course, if we let KU drive down for a couple early scores, all that goes out the window.
i agree with this, but not sure how much better we are. probably enough to say we should win this game, but not enough to be surprised at all if we get beat. This is the same for the CU game.
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Relying on our LB's and for our DB's to scrape all night is a disaster. When the defense actually went Tibesar and simply got up field they did much better, and had they broken down and kept the play in front them in the backfield several times they would have likely stopped them for significant losses on plays that turned into big plays. In addition had their been a complete QB first mindset the game would have been a lot closer. After watching the Cornhole-Udub game a blind man could have seen that.
I don't disagree with any of that.
What the heck is wrong with x's and o's speak? I was just saying it wasn't a completely unsound alignment; I agree we don't have the horses to necessarily execute it, but that is a completely different topic. Besides, if we'd overadjusted to that formation (or any other), it just opens up something else. That's always the case when you have average (or worse) players at multiple positions.
Sorry for the X's and O's comment . . . I suppose I am from the school that the game against Cornhole was a game where the old Stoops press defense should have been dusted off . . . we wouldn't have won the game, but it likely wouldn't have been such a joke either. The game plan should have been to force Martinez to hand, pitch or pass the ball to somebody else every time . . . always make the run first athletic freshman QB put the ball in the air in some form or fashion and take your chances.
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Sorry for the X's and O's comment . . . I suppose I am from the school that the game against Cornhole was a game where the old Stoops press defense should have been dusted off . . . we wouldn't have won the game, but it likely wouldn't have been such a joke either. The game plan should have been to force Martinez to hand, pitch or pass the ball to somebody else every time . . . always make the run first athletic freshman QB put the ball in the air in some form or fashion and take your chances.
Yeah, I agree. I think at some point we should've forced the ball to Helu or NU's WRs over letting Martinez gash us with the QB run game. Even so, they still managed to do that a couple times anyway.
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Disclaimer: didn't read any of the above
Thought the DE's did a good job of forcing TMart inside. Thought whoever was responsible for filling that gap was an enormous failure (don't know enough about football to know who was supposed to do that, assuming safety or lb).
Luckily KU f*cking blows, doesn't run that offense, and sucks at everything so D shouldn't be as much of a problem. More worried about the offense getting past the ku 30 so we can either kick a FG or MAYBE score a TD. Judging by the way Baylor's pathetic running back gobbled up yards, we should be able to do what we did against ISU against uk.
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The one thing I'm very happy with his DT's ball security. He's usually very good. I hope we use him and Powell to keep them both fresh and keep the ball away from KU.
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This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!! I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game. Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
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This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!! I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game. Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:
It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
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This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!! I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game. Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:
It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
goEMAW...Making dumbassess like me sound less Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) 1 day at a time!
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JFC, this guy is an even bigger Prince clone than we originally thought...
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JFC, this guy is an even bigger Prince clone than we originally thought...
Which wife of an assistant coach is going to get it?
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This is one very very sexy thread on breaking down the defense!!! I hate being so stupid, but reading this stuff will give me things to tell my friends while watching the KU game. Hopefully I will sound smarter than my usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
Dude, that's what goEMAW is all about:
It will make you sound smarter than your usual Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) self.
Sounds like a good quote for The Word
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:lol:
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
Yep. He pretty much left it at that.
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Turner Gill
'We saw some things'
Gill couldn't stifle a smile Monday when he was asked if he and his coaching staff had seen on the Nebraska game film some things about Kansas State's defense that could be exploited.
"We saw some things," Gill said. "I'm just gonna leave it at that."
oh man :horrorsurprise:
Yep. He pretty much left it at that.
:grin:
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I like going back and reading the "KU will kill us on the zone read" comments in this thread. They tried to run several times and it failed. And I'll have to go back and look, but KU really didn't try to mess us up with formations like I thought they might. KU is a bad team, but its still encouraging to see us do a much better job with run fits and a great job in coverage.
The wildcard in this game that I did not anticipate was Coffman going off and having a career game, which allowed for it to be a much bigger blowout, but I was pretty confident in a comfortable win after rewatching the NU game and some of the BU-KU highlights.