Post by: chum1 on September 03, 2024, 09:37:00 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 03, 2024, 09:41:17 AM
Post by: pissclams on September 03, 2024, 09:43:01 AM
Glad Florida State did everyone a favor and eliminated themselves from playoff talk months ahead of when it'll be controversial and then be pissed about it
Post by: chum1 on September 03, 2024, 09:51:36 AM
Who is saying they are eliminated?
It's all over Twitter. I'm thinking people are exaggerating and it's not actually official. But I don't know the rules.
https://x.com/RedditCFB/status/1830802001996771667
Post by: ChiComCat on September 03, 2024, 09:55:35 AM
Post by: PurpleOil on September 03, 2024, 10:06:22 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 03, 2024, 10:19:26 AM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 03, 2024, 10:30:45 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 03, 2024, 10:43:27 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on September 03, 2024, 10:46:29 AM
Post by: pissclams on September 03, 2024, 12:00:04 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 03, 2024, 12:03:10 PM
I'm also not a Florida State hater and I thought they were right to be pissed about being left out. They earned, on the field, the right to play in the CFP.
Yeah for last year, 100% agree
Post by: PurpleOil on September 04, 2024, 07:42:09 AM
I'm also not a Florida State hater and I thought they were right to be pissed about being left out. They earned, on the field, the right to play in the CFP.
Yeah for last year, 100% agree
The screw job FSU received last year is what reaffirmed, at least to me, that this will forever be about money and not the actual on field product.
Post by: Katpappy on September 04, 2024, 08:08:01 PM
I'm also not a Florida State hater and I thought they were right to be pissed about being left out. They earned, on the field, the right to play in the CFP.
Yeah for last year, 100% agree
The screw job FSU received last year is what reaffirmed, at least to me, that this will forever be about money and not the actual on field product.
You are quite naive if you didn't realize this when it started during the BCS era.
Post by: ChiComCat on September 05, 2024, 09:11:12 AM
I'm also not a Florida State hater and I thought they were right to be pissed about being left out. They earned, on the field, the right to play in the CFP.
Agreed. I'm a fan of ranking purely on resumes, not some assumption of talent.
Post by: PurpleOil on September 05, 2024, 09:41:24 AM
I'm also not a Florida State hater and I thought they were right to be pissed about being left out. They earned, on the field, the right to play in the CFP.
Yeah for last year, 100% agree
The screw job FSU received last year is what reaffirmed, at least to me, that this will forever be about money and not the actual on field product.
You are quite naive if you didn't realize this when it started during the BCS era.
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Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 05, 2024, 01:10:17 PM
Post by: wetwillie on September 05, 2024, 01:31:02 PM
Post by: KITNfury on September 05, 2024, 03:31:44 PM
Post by: ChiComCat on September 05, 2024, 03:47:41 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on September 05, 2024, 03:48:28 PM
ACC gets auto bid and the highest ranked G5 champ gets the 5th
Yeah this is correct, the one thing to note if you want the ACC to have something funny happen to them (or any conference for that matter), is that the 4 byes are not P4 autos, but rather the 4 highest ranked conference champs, so theoretically 3/4 will always be a P4, but a P4 champ could be ranked lower than like a 13-0 Boise State if you assume the ACC conference champ is like a 10-1 NC State over a 11-1 Miami or something.
It also means ND can never have a bye under the current format.
Post by: KITNfury on September 05, 2024, 04:08:37 PM
One thing I don't like is that the top 4 seeds don't get a home game. I get why it's set up that way and a bye is more valuable, but that's disappointing.A playoff game at home would be so phenomenal.
Post by: Katpappy on September 05, 2024, 05:04:06 PM
One thing I don't like is that the top 4 seeds don't get a home game. I get why it's set up that way and a bye is more valuable, but that's disappointing.A playoff game at home would be so phenomenal.
It's all about ESPN bowl money. :th_twocents:
Post by: MakeItRain on September 05, 2024, 05:11:24 PM
ACC gets auto bid and the highest ranked G5 champ gets the 5th
Yeah this is correct, the one thing to note if you want the ACC to have something funny happen to them (or any conference for that matter), is that the 4 byes are not P4 autos, but rather the 4 highest ranked conference champs, so theoretically 3/4 will always be a P4, but a P4 champ could be ranked lower than like a 13-0 Boise State if you assume the ACC conference champ is like a 10-1 NC State over a 11-1 Miami or something.
It also means ND can never have a bye under the current format.
That's inaccurate. It's possible, I guess, for a P4 champion to not get an autobid. That champion would have to have like 4 or 5 losses and there would have to be multiple G5 undefeated champions though.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5726745/2024/08/30/college-football-playoff-2024-format-guide/
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That 13-person selection committee, as it did in the four-team era, will rank its top-25 teams weekly, beginning Nov. 5 and culminating on Dec. 8. The panel consists of current athletic directors and school administrators, and former coaches and players, all of whom are supposed to evaluate the teams based on schedule strength, head-to-head results and their own subjective opinions. Michigan athletic director Warde Manuel is the new chairman.
The big difference in the new format is that the committee’s five highest-ranked conference champions receive guaranteed berths. While not set in writing, it’s presumed they will go to the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12 and SEC champions, as well as the highest-ranked champion from the Group of 5 leagues (AAC, Conference USA, MAC, Mountain West and Sun Belt).
The other seven bids go to the highest-ranked teams that did not win their conference.
Post by: ben ji on September 08, 2024, 05:15:38 PM
.Looking at Nebraska's schedule they have 2 ranked teams left....at USC and at OSU.
But then I realized there is probably no way a 10-2 NU makes the playoffs if their best win is Iowa/Wisconsin?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 09, 2024, 10:57:28 AM
Just had a vision of our KSU wildcats getting to play the huskers in the CFP and beating them
Looking at Nebraska's schedule they have 2 ranked teams left....at USC and at OSU.
But then I realized there is probably no way a 10-2 NU makes the playoffs if their best win is Iowa/Wisconsin?
I don't think anyone who can go 2 consecutive scoreless quarters against Colorado's defense is going to go 10-2, even against their schedule.
Post by: MakeItRain on September 10, 2024, 04:33:00 AM
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2024, 11:37:15 AM
sos has to mean something
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2024, 11:46:44 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 08, 2024, 12:04:47 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 08, 2024, 12:23:01 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 08, 2024, 12:42:05 PM
Post by: kstater on December 08, 2024, 01:10:17 PM
it’s hard for me to accept SMU over alabamaWins and losses have to too. 11-1 in regular season vs 9-3
sos has to mean something
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Post by: EMAWzifried on December 08, 2024, 03:27:36 PM
it’s hard for me to accept SMU over alabamaESPN has conditioned you to think like this. Free your mind.
sos has to mean something
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2024, 03:28:56 PM
They lost to Vandy and OU bruh
and beat georgia, south carolina, missouri, and lsu
smu’s best win is pitt?
we have to reward playing tougher schedules
alabama is the better team and should be in
it’s hard to believe that anyone would argue that the path to 11-1 doesn’t matter but I am on a k-state board so not really
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2024, 03:30:22 PM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 08, 2024, 03:31:59 PM
Hearing him us words like "we" when referring to Bama in general makes it even better.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2024, 03:40:45 PM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on December 08, 2024, 03:45:45 PM
it’s hard for me to accept SMU over alabama
sos has to mean something
I'm actually having an incredibly easy time accepting it lmk if you have any questions!
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2024, 03:46:46 PM
They lost to Vandy and OU bruh
and beat georgia, south carolina, missouri, and lsu
smu’s best win is pitt?
we have to reward playing tougher schedules
alabama is the better team and should be in
it’s hard to believe that anyone would argue that the path to 11-1 doesn’t matter but I am on a k-state board so not really
The sec has inflated records because of 4 ooc games. Georgia is a great win but the others are no better than Duke or Pitt based on my 2 minutes of research.
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2024, 03:50:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2024, 04:09:08 PM
Post by: kim carnes on December 08, 2024, 04:15:25 PM
I think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.
But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include
Post by: pissclams on December 08, 2024, 04:23:10 PM
They lost to Vandy and OU bruh
and beat georgia, south carolina, missouri, and lsu
smu’s best win is pitt?
we have to reward playing tougher schedules
alabama is the better team and should be in
it’s hard to believe that anyone would argue that the path to 11-1 doesn’t matter but I am on a k-state board so not really
The sec has inflated records because of 4 ooc games. Georgia is a great win but the others are no better than Duke or Pitt based on my 2 minutes of research.
you should have stopped after “georgia is a great win”.
Post by: Katpappy on December 08, 2024, 06:16:05 PM
They lost to Vandy and OU bruh
and beat georgia, south carolina, missouri, and lsu
smu’s best win is pitt?
we have to reward playing tougher schedules
alabama is the better team and should be in
it’s hard to believe that anyone would argue that the path to 11-1 doesn’t matter but I am on a k-state board so not really
The sec has inflated records because of 4 ooc games. Georgia is a great win but the others are no better than Duke or Pitt based on my 2 minutes of research.
you should have stopped after “georgia is a great win”.
Your brainwashed ESPN/SEC bices seemed to want Rusty to think in lockstep with you.
Post by: michigancat on December 08, 2024, 06:25:44 PM
I think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.
But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include
I think bowl games of 7-8, 9-10, and 11-12 would be more entertaining games and fun for those teams. And the conference championships had lost a lot of meaning. Of course the best players are probably less likely to opt out of a 5-12 playoff game vs an 11-12 bowl.
Post by: tdaver on December 08, 2024, 06:29:57 PM
Post by: Katpappy on December 08, 2024, 06:35:01 PM
Ol’ pisSEClams showing his true colors in this thread
He cracks a big 10/SEC whip.
Post by: wetwillie on December 08, 2024, 07:43:43 PM
Post by: tdaver on December 08, 2024, 10:03:51 PM
What's the highest seed that has won the NCAA tournament?
8 Villanova 1985
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 08, 2024, 10:32:48 PM
Obviously, that means college football should go to a 32 team tournament.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2024, 01:50:49 AM
I think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.
But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include
:surprised: kim carnes made a good point, holy crap
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2024, 07:29:23 AM
YepI think what this discussion highlights is that the 12 team playoff is silly because neither bama nor smu would win this thing.
But it doesn’t hurt anything to make it 12 teams, it’s better to over include teams than under include
:surprised: kim carnes made a good point, holy crap
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2024, 07:34:10 AM
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2024, 07:46:11 AM
I’d use the kings of the crap bowls for the last 2 rounds. All other rounds on home sites.
Post by: michigancat on December 09, 2024, 08:14:16 AM
Post by: Kid In the Hall on December 09, 2024, 08:42:14 AM
All the crappy/meaningless bowl games can then take whatever's left. Or don't - who cares.
Post by: wetwillie on December 09, 2024, 09:17:15 AM
I prefer to think of Alabama as having been punished for an appallingly weak non-con and two losses to teams with losing records (but for their upsets over Bama).
I think it's written in the fine print if you lose to Vandy you are eliminated from the playoff. I don't think anyone has ever lost to Vandy and been in the playoff so I have to be correct in this.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 09, 2024, 12:59:22 PM
I prefer to think of Alabama as having been punished for an appallingly weak non-con and two losses to teams with losing records (but for their upsets over Bama).
I think it's written in the fine print if you lose to Vandy you are eliminated from the playoff. I don't think anyone has ever lost to Vandy and been in the playoff so I have to be correct in this.
Yeah, realistically I like that the committee didn't overly slob the SEC's knob. If Bama wanted in, don't get waxxed by OU on the road and don't lose to Vandy and the SEC needs to go to 9 teams not 8 for conference.
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2024, 01:03:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2024, 01:18:45 PM
In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.
wtf? ewwww.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 09, 2024, 01:34:41 PM
Post by: nicname on December 09, 2024, 01:51:20 PM
In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.
wtf? ewwww.
This is Trim-Bait (mich’s post not mir)
Rank these “eras”
Pre Bowl-Coalition
Bowl Coalition
Bowl Alliance
BCS
4-team playoff
12-team playoff
Each has its pluses and minuses.
I’ve often thought a 16-team seeded playoff consisting of conference champions (usually 10 or 11 conferences) with the remaining five or six berths being at-large to be the best “playoff” format. Teams would be ranked and seeded in an objective manner like colley matrix or some combination like the Massey composite. I like Colley cuz it is purely objective and doesn’t factor in margin of victory. I actually think this playoff format could have gone a long ways towards negating the massive realignment shifts we’ve seen.
I do have fond memories of the Coalition and Alliance, which were similar, but the pre-coalition days would be great water-cooler fodder.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2024, 02:07:03 PM
In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.
wtf? ewwww.
This is Trim-Bait (mich’s post not mir)
Rank these “eras”
Pre Bowl-Coalition
Bowl Coalition
Bowl Alliance
BCS
4-team playoff
12-team playoff
Each has its pluses and minuses.
I’ve often thought a 16-team seeded playoff consisting of conference champions (usually 10 or 11 conferences) with the remaining five or six berths being at-large to be the best “playoff” format. Teams would be ranked and seeded in an objective manner like colley matrix or some combination like the Massey composite. I like Colley cuz it is purely objective and doesn’t factor in margin of victory. I actually think this playoff format could have gone a long ways towards negating the massive realignment shifts we’ve seen.
I do have fond memories of the Coalition and Alliance, which were similar, but the pre-coalition days would be great water-cooler fodder.
The best eras, in order, is exactly the reverse order of your list.
Post by: Spracne on December 09, 2024, 02:14:54 PM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 09, 2024, 02:55:25 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 09, 2024, 03:41:54 PM
You tune into the 16-1 matchup in the NCAA b-ball tourney hoping to see an upset, not expecting to see an upset.
So the whole notion of "they'll never be able to compete" is just so silly when comes to FBS. The end goal should always be getting to be able to say that every school and very FBS player has a chance to win a natty, no more how long of a shot. While one can argue that is the case in FBS now . . . but, come on.
While I like the playoff concept, I hate hate hate that the FBS CFPO stands on its own, outside of the purview of the NCAA.
The Greg Sankey's of the world can pound all the sand as far as I am concerned.
Post by: MakeItRain on December 09, 2024, 04:03:20 PM
BCS was the worst, IMO. But I didn't follow CFB closely until then anyway, so I'm probably not the right person to ask.
Before the BCS we had split national championships, national champions playing in the holiday bowl a full week before the rose, orange, sugar, and fiesta. We rarely had #1 vs #2 in the national championship game. In back to back seasons, 1993 and 1994 we had undefeated major programs who didn't even get a shot at the national championship. I remember a couple of years in the 80s when the Orange Bowl was the last bowl game and we'd go to sleep not knowing who the national champion was. We had to wait until the next morning to see who the AP and UPI voters voted for. There isn't a single circumstance that anything before the BCS was better than the BCS.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 09, 2024, 04:26:02 PM
FCS can have 24 teams in their playoff.
You tune into the 16-1 matchup in the NCAA b-ball tourney hoping to see an upset, not expecting to see an upset.
So the whole notion of "they'll never be able to compete" is just so silly when comes to FBS. The end goal should always be getting to be able to say that every school and very FBS player has a chance to win a natty, no more how long of a shot. While one can argue that is the case in FBS now . . . but, come on.
While I like the playoff concept, I hate hate hate that the FBS CFPO stands on its own, outside of the purview of the NCAA.
The Greg Sankey's of the world can pound all the sand as far as I am concerned.
100% agree with all of that. It is so effing weird that people LOVE the NCAA tourny but then turn around and act like playoffs in football would be a waste cause of blowouts, or all so focused in on conferences and history/tradition. Sure plenty of blue bloods win the tourny, but, as you said people tune in to see if the Farleigh-Dickerson's of the world can actually do it.
People get excited when NIU beats ND. Poeple feel the same when Boise beat OU. It doesn't happen often, but you watch cause it could
Post by: ben ji on December 09, 2024, 07:08:50 PM
We get to OT and AD just rips off a 25 yard run on the first play and everyone is thinking...well it was a good game....
Then Boise gets a 4th down TD on a RB(wr?) Pitch pass and tops that off by running THE M'F'N STATUE OF LIBERTY play for the 2pt conversion win and then the RB proposes to his cheerleader GF.
If that was a Disney movie we would laugh at how corny it was but it actually happened and I can't wait for that to happen more often in the CFP.
Post by: CHONGS on December 09, 2024, 07:19:51 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 09, 2024, 07:25:20 PM
Post by: nicname on December 09, 2024, 07:42:40 PM
A fun twist could be awarding conference champions Home field if up against an at large. High ranked team would have home field if both or neither were conference champions in the first round.
Post by: nicname on December 09, 2024, 07:43:25 PM
Post by: Pete on December 09, 2024, 08:21:15 PM
I was hoping for SMU v UT.That would have been amazing
Post by: Trim on December 09, 2024, 08:28:44 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2024, 09:12:59 AM
Tenn vs tOSU is the juiciest of the first round games for me.
I like Indiana v. Notre Dame
Post by: cfbandyman on December 10, 2024, 09:21:02 AM
Tenn vs tOSU is the juiciest of the first round games for me.
I like Indiana v. Notre Dame
The in-state part is incredible. Should be a fun match up
Post by: ben ji on December 10, 2024, 09:48:13 AM
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 10, 2024, 10:16:26 AM
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.
They'll be well attended. I'm sure a lot of fans will choose 1 round over the other- that's what I would do. Only takes about 30K fans per team to fill it up in neutral sites after all the corporate shills.
Also for Indiana, SMU, ASU, and Boise State, fans are going to do what it takes to get there. They won't be there every year.
Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2024, 11:11:50 AM
I wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.
In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 10, 2024, 12:28:46 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2024, 12:29:05 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on December 10, 2024, 12:32:11 PM
I'd rather see the Cats play in South Bend than any bowl destination, TBH
lol, ain't no way. South Bend over the Rose Bowl? South Bend in December/January over Phoenix, Atlanta, Miami, or New Orleans? I'm going to be in South Bend in a couple of weeks and while I think it's bad rep is largely from people who've never been there, that's wild to say you'd rather be there than places where you can actually walk outside without dressing like you're going on an expedition.
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 10, 2024, 01:13:01 PM
Post by: pissclams on December 10, 2024, 03:04:10 PM
i can assure you that south bend has earned its reputation.I'd rather see the Cats play in South Bend than any bowl destination, TBH
lol, ain't no way. South Bend over the Rose Bowl? South Bend in December/January over Phoenix, Atlanta, Miami, or New Orleans? I'm going to be in South Bend in a couple of weeks and while I think it's bad rep is largely from people who've never been there, that's wild to say you'd rather be there than places where you can actually walk outside without dressing like you're going on an expedition.
aside from the 1.5 acres that is the campus, the surrounding areas including mishawaka are not good
Post by: 8manpick on December 10, 2024, 03:50:42 PM
As the 3rd place team in the Big 10, they probably wouldn’t have gone to the Rose BowlI wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.
In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.
Post by: Skipper44 on December 10, 2024, 03:54:37 PM
I agree with cf3. The quarter final round has the best bowl games and that round you really don't have to worry about fans taking back to back trips. It's the semi final round that's going to have abysmal attendance.you are not joking, if ASU makes the semis they are back in Dallas on the second friday of January. I would 100% be watching from home to save $, pto and spousal goodwill for a possible trip to the national title game.
Post by: michigancat on December 10, 2024, 04:03:52 PM
As the 3rd place team in the Big 10, they probably wouldn’t have gone to the Rose BowlI wonder how well attended the next couple of rounds will be when they are at neutral bowl sites. If your team makes the championship game that would be 3 flights/hotels/tickets all over the country in 1 month just to see every game.
In Indiana's case instead of the Rose Bowl they get to go to South Bend for their reward for their best season ever.
Yeah I know but they might have been second in the old Big 10 with OSU in the cfp
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 10, 2024, 04:35:10 PM
In my old age I'm turning into an curmudgeon who wants to bring back ties (no OT) and the bowls with no playoffs.
I think that we should keep whatever tradition that we can while also acknowledging that the fans want an actual playoff. The Rose Bowl should pit the Big 10 champion against whoever wins the Pac 12 championship game between Washington State and Oregon State. The playoff should have the best schools that didn't go to the Rose Bowl. There should be no overtime under any circumstance. The team that advances from a tie game in the playoff should be determined by coin flip, but both teams shall get to call themselves victors. In the event of a tie in the national championship, a coin is flipped. The winner of the toss is the AP National Champion, and the loser is the Coaches' Poll National Champion.
Post by: Pete on December 10, 2024, 07:03:46 PM
Post by: wetwillie on December 10, 2024, 08:22:48 PM
Post by: TheProdigiousTalent on December 10, 2024, 10:37:49 PM
Winning a football NIT counts as a natty in my book.For me it would be more of a Natty Light, but I would make no effort to curtail your irrational exuberance.
Post by: Pete on December 11, 2024, 07:05:11 AM
Post by: chum1 on December 11, 2024, 09:35:23 AM
Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2024, 10:21:29 AM
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.
at least pre BCS everyone agreed it was ridiculous
Post by: konofo on December 11, 2024, 11:00:22 AM
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.Well, that would be a naïve thing to believe. What you call bitching, the suits call engagement. There will always be bitching; that's a feature, not a bug.
The improvement here is that the, uh, engagement is a bit further removed from things that actually matter, namely, that the teams that should have a shot at the title are included. Like March Madness, the decisions about which bubble teams are in or out have little impact on the eventual champion. Sure, some objectively undeserving teams are also included in the name of equity, but so what? The best teams are all present.
kono
Post by: MakeItRain on December 11, 2024, 12:23:53 PM
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.
Who was trying to convince anyone of that? College sports fans and media are the most miserable motherfuckers on planet earth. We even have a decent swath of people whining about the existence of conference championship games.
Post by: cfbandyman on December 11, 2024, 12:44:21 PM
I feel like people were trying to fool us into believing that there would be less bitching about the post-season in general if playoffs were implemented. Because there seems to be no less bitching going on right now.Well, that would be a naïve thing to believe. What you call bitching, the suits call engagement. There will always be bitching; that's a feature, not a bug.
The improvement here is that the, uh, engagement is a bit further removed from things that actually matter, namely, that the teams that should have a shot at the title are included. Like March Madness, the decisions about which bubble teams are in or out have little impact on the eventual champion. Sure, some objectively undeserving teams are also included in the name of equity, but so what? The best teams are all present.
kono
Agreed. It's the only major sport that practically insists on this level of controversy. It's so weird, and it keep insisting on allowing itself to be the subject of controversy.
And totally agree with you on march madness, or really any other NCAA tourny. There are so many teams in it that (if you took march madness for example) you're arguing that teams left out are (possibly) only the 68th best team there is, and shouldn't have been 69th. No one objectively looks at it and goes "oh yeah, this sucks cause that last team left out could easily win this whole thing!" Cause hell no, they for all aspects most certainly can't/won't, and everyone already included already are "better" based on either winning their conference or are using at least something more object like RPI/NET etc. ratings to at least add a level of objectivity to it. If the committee at that point shafts a team that went 9-9 in their conference and they didn't win anything based on NET in their non-con well don't be surprised you got left out! And no one really bemoans not being included, only the few teams that couldn't perform enough to be included.
Instead CFB does this weird thing where it's so "eyeball" and "conference strength" and "media" driven that it leads to this incessant complaining. It all started with the media (and then coaches) voting and being like "yup that team is best!". Then it switched to the BCS which brought some objectivity to it but still was only there to match two teams. Are those two really the best? Then the 4 team playoff helped more but then they brought in a committee who is just doing whatever leading back to the controversy. And then they decided to "fix" it by just expanding it a bit and adding small amount of objectivity to by having winning your conference matters (to a degree). It's so weird and no professional sport, no other college sport, hell not any high school sport, determines it's champion this way. It's made to have all this crap. It's by design.
If you either replaced the committee and used like the BCS to rank teams into a playoff, or the committee had to use something like the BCS (the NET of football), and you also have some mechanism that auto qualifies you based on something like winning your conference, and it was big enough (be it 16, 24, 32 w/e teams) then the bitching goes away, or at least it's no longer contained near the top, but way lower down where again you shouldn't be surprised your team got left out.
Post by: john "teach me how to" dougie on December 13, 2024, 08:54:36 AM
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Post by: MakeItRain on December 13, 2024, 02:50:50 PM
They should just put every conference champ in and only have 10 schools participate. Take out the at-larges altogether.
I'd love that, the SEC, Big 10, and all of the edge lords wanting to get rid of conference championship games wouldn't, but I sure would, damnit.
Post by: wetwillie on December 13, 2024, 03:52:27 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 15, 2024, 01:39:22 PM
10 conference champs would produce a dog crap field, count me in with the edge lords.
It would be amazing.
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Post by: Spracne on December 20, 2024, 07:50:28 PM
I'm liking this whole concept so far.
What, specifically?
Post by: chum1 on December 20, 2024, 07:56:28 PM
I'm liking this whole concept so far.
What, specifically?
In the context of turning on tonight's game, I like that neither of these two 11-1 teams were "left out" of the opportunity to play for the championship. And I like that there are THREE more games like this one tomorrow.
Post by: pissclams on December 20, 2024, 08:07:01 PM
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Post by: michigancat on December 20, 2024, 09:55:48 PM
Post by: kim carnes on December 20, 2024, 10:05:30 PM
Indiana's schedule was hilarious. We would have gone 11-1 against that schedule
That’s the beauty of a 12 team playoff, you can let in a few teams that have no business being in
Post by: DaBigTrain on December 20, 2024, 10:18:01 PM
Post by: kstater on December 21, 2024, 07:52:08 AM
And that's fine IMO. Kiffin is still out crying. Still forgetting that his team lost to Florida and still forgetting that they couldn't beat an 8 loss Kentucky at home. Yeah Indiana beat up on shitty teams. But at least they beat the shitty teams.Indiana's schedule was hilarious. We would have gone 11-1 against that schedule
That’s the beauty of a 12 team playoff, you can let in a few teams that have no business being in
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Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2024, 07:58:24 AM
Indiana's schedule was hilarious. We would have gone 11-1 against that schedule
We couldn't even beat Houston so I'm going to have to disagree.
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2024, 09:35:11 AM
Houston in the rain is tougher than any of Indiana's road winsIndiana's schedule was hilarious. We would have gone 11-1 against that schedule
We couldn't even beat Houston so I'm going to have to disagree.
Post by: michigancat on December 21, 2024, 09:36:21 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 21, 2024, 11:44:09 AM
That said - very impressed with ND’s athleticism.
They’ve got some studs.
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Post by: pissclams on December 21, 2024, 12:05:26 PM
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it’s hard for me to accept SMU over alabamaas expected, smu doesn’t belong on the same field as penn state
sos has to mean something
nor do they belong in the cfp
Post by: CHONGS on December 21, 2024, 12:14:22 PM
It is pretty funny how Penn State coaches have absolutely zero respect for SMU and they will keep getting away with it because SMU is that bad.Quote from: pissclamsit’s hard for me to accept SMU over alabamaas expected, smu doesn’t belong on the same field as penn state
sos has to mean something
nor do they belong in the cfp
They might as well go for it every fourth down deep in their own territory.
BUT
These matchups will happen in a playoff.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 21, 2024, 03:49:10 PM
at least bama didn’t get in, right guys?I honestly thought that SMU would show better.
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at least bama didn’t get in, right guys?I honestly thought that SMU would show better.
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as i hinted at earlier in this thread, k-state fans should know as well as anyone what the difference is between these mega programs and finding a way to win 11 games.
Post by: bucket on December 21, 2024, 04:02:10 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 21, 2024, 04:10:12 PM
True - but like bucket said, I think opportunity may help competition.at least bama didn’t get in, right guys?I honestly thought that SMU would show better.
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as i hinted at earlier in this thread, k-state fans should know as well as anyone what the difference is between these mega programs and finding a way to win 11 games.
I was basing my thoughts on Penn State’s struggles in big games under Franklin. They played well today.
As an aside - These Clemson D-Line slants are a travesty
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Post by: Spracne on December 21, 2024, 04:29:08 PM
I wonder if it will improve over the years. Will this new format allow teams like SMU to recruit better talent and fare better in the future?I think SMU’s billionaire boosters will help more.
Post by: wetwillie on December 21, 2024, 04:43:00 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on December 21, 2024, 08:29:40 PM
Clemson made it mildly interesting
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Post by: nicname on December 22, 2024, 02:37:07 PM
Texas gets a de facto home game in the semis after they dispatch Arizona State, hadn't realized that until now.
Holding out hope that ASU can play with them. They’re pretty rugged.
Post by: nicname on December 22, 2024, 02:38:18 PM
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Post by: pissclams on December 22, 2024, 02:53:34 PM
ASU doesn't have the athletes along the lines to hang with UT. It will be a slaughter.asu is salty
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on December 22, 2024, 07:05:08 PM
ASU doesn't have the athletes along the lines to hang with UT. It will be a slaughter.
Texas fields teams like this every year and consistently loses games to teams with similar talent to ASU.
Post by: wetwillie on December 22, 2024, 07:31:24 PM
ASU doesn't have the athletes along the lines to hang with UT. It will be a slaughter.
Texas fields teams like this every year and consistently loses games to teams with similar talent to ASU.
Must be why they are two score favorites and best odds to win the whole thing
Post by: michigancat on December 31, 2024, 02:19:34 PM
https://x.com/davidubben/status/1874185187648823597
https://x.com/davidubben/status/1874185425906188295
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*Tucks in shirt*
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If we win, we should chant "Big XII, Big XII, Big XII... to give them a taste of their crap.
Post by: michigancat on January 01, 2025, 03:28:09 PM
My gawd! Do I dare say it... ASU is back in the game.
It's the only one close to competitive
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said Howard threw a 70-yard TD pass in the first minute of the game.
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Post by: chum1 on January 01, 2025, 07:05:52 PM
LOL at complaining of blowouts when this is happening to Oregon
Yeah, pretty sure none of the people who took first round blowouts as confirmation that certain teams didn't belong in the playoffs will also take this as confirmation that Oregon didn't belong in the playoffs.
Post by: michigancat on January 01, 2025, 07:44:27 PM
Post by: Houstoncat93 on January 01, 2025, 07:54:55 PM
I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
Post by: ben ji on January 01, 2025, 07:55:16 PM
I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
I agree. Also the first 2 rounds should be played on campus not at the "Peach/Rose" Bowl.
Post by: EMAWzifried on January 01, 2025, 08:19:48 PM
Post by: Katpappy on January 01, 2025, 08:39:20 PM
Life would be a lot easier for you if you didn't let trival things like that get under your skin.
What Rusty and Ben ji are saying without saying is schools are missing out on 30 to 100 million by having a home game. That is what was estimated for the 5 through 8 ranked teams' revenue intake by sponsorship of CFP games. I don't know about you but to me that's a crap load of money.
Post by: michigancat on January 01, 2025, 08:41:21 PM
Post by: Katpappy on January 01, 2025, 08:50:54 PM
Oh I don't care where the games are played or how much money is involved, I just think calling them "Bowls" and having MVPs and Roses and trophies and stuff is silly
I don't think ESPN would appreciate losing their most popular bowl games and seeing their money streams go to the schools that sponsored home games.
Post by: ben ji on January 01, 2025, 11:49:12 PM
Post by: cfbandyman on January 02, 2025, 09:52:42 AM
LOL at complaining of blowouts when this is happening to Oregon
Yeah, pretty sure none of the people who took first round blowouts as confirmation that certain teams didn't belong in the playoffs will also take this as confirmation that Oregon didn't belong in the playoffs.
Oh for sure, no bias there.
I think what is truly insane is how if you look at all the other playoffs (FCS, D2, D3) is you can have massive blowouts all throughout the playoffs, even in the champ game. It simply happens. To complain about it or implying a group that belongs vs doesn't simply wants to go back to media choosing the champs, via some eye test BS.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 02, 2025, 09:57:26 AM
Post by: WillieWatanabe on January 02, 2025, 09:59:05 AM
Oh I don't care where the games are played or how much money is involved, I just think calling them "Bowls" and having MVPs and Roses and trophies and stuff is silly
for sure yes. The bowl execs are so desperate
Post by: chum1 on January 02, 2025, 10:04:15 AM
Post by: _33 on January 02, 2025, 02:16:45 PM
Like people watched Penn State/SMU? Or Notre Dame/Indiana? I can't imagine sitting down and watching either of those games.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2025, 02:20:02 PM
This could speak to my general waning interest in college athletics more than anything else but I've only watched one playoff game (Tex/ASU). And most of the others I didn't even know had been played until after the fact.
Like people watched Penn State/SMU? Or Notre Dame/Indiana? I can't imagine sitting down and watching either of those games.
I watched all of the games until they just got too lopsided to take anymore. Texas/ASU was the only game I watched all the way to the end, but Penn State/SMU was also a lot closer than the final score indicated.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 02, 2025, 02:21:19 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2025, 02:42:00 PM
Dan Lanning is a clown
(https://y.yarn.co/89607f45-5e55-4411-9dd5-bd74b1d4de10_text.gif)
I can't stand that dude
Post by: pissclams on January 02, 2025, 03:32:04 PM
although I t’s no surprise to hear about the lack of interest from so many of the casuals that post here given the “takes” some of you post.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2025, 03:44:56 PM
I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2025, 04:05:19 PM
Dan Lanning is a clown
(https://y.yarn.co/89607f45-5e55-4411-9dd5-bd74b1d4de10_text.gif)
I can't stand that dude
didn't notice him until this which is still hilarious coming from the coach of oregon
Which bull junk made it personal this week?
Funny enough Dan Lanning was talking crap over the summer when Colorado was accepted to the Big 12, he essentially called them irrelevant but that hasn't been much of a talking point this week.
I think Colorado being 3 TD underdogs is crazy disrespectful.
they showed a clip of his pregame speech and he led with "we're rooted in substance, not flash", which was certainly something coming from Oregon's coach
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2025, 04:12:35 PM
I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
IMO it was pretty dumb when they were semi-finals too, but the pre-CFP games made sense. It was the appropriate closure of what the teams were fighting for all season. Now it's just a neutral site game. which is fine!
Post by: MakeItRain on January 02, 2025, 04:19:34 PM
I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
IMO it was pretty dumb when they were semi-finals too, but the pre-CFP games made sense. It was the appropriate closure of what the teams were fighting for all season. Now it's just a neutral site game. which is fine!
It still has stakes though. They celebrate, cut down nets, and get trophies for making the final four in basketball and we think nothing of it. Winning the Rose Bowl to get to the semi-finals is way more prestigious than winning the elite eight in some NBA stadium or domed football stadium to win the right to play in another dome.
Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2025, 04:30:47 PM
It still has stakes though. They celebrate, cut down nets, and get trophies for making the final four in basketball and we think nothing of it.
this is the equivalent of doing it for teams getting out of the round of 32 and calling it something like the "Madison Square Garden Classic". And also calling it the "Madison Square Garden Classic" If it's the Final Four or Regional or round of 32.
Winning the Rose Bowl to get to the semi-finals is way more prestigious than winning the elite eight in some NBA stadium or domed football stadium to win the right to play in another dome.
Is it though? Do you think this matters more to Ohio State than a potential win at AT&T next week? I don't even know where the final is and no one really cares.
I think in the end what I don't like is that calling a quarterfinal the "Rose Bowl" feels very inauthentic/insincere. Like, you all threw away the tradition - just own it and stop trying to pretend it's what it was before the BCS. (I also know it doesn't really matter).
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Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2025, 06:29:47 PM
Didn't see big 10 overtaking the SEC as the dominant conference but here we are.
overtaking?
conference championship irrelevant in playoffs.
they will still be very relevant to me, a KSU Cats fan
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Post by: michigancat on January 02, 2025, 06:45:53 PM
Didn't see big 10 overtaking the SEC as the dominant conference but here we are.
overtaking?
what I was getting at here is the SEC was protected by the 4-team CFP and are exposed by the 12-team one.
Also, the seeding in this thing is ridiculous
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 02, 2025, 08:07:17 PM
Didn't see big 10 overtaking the SEC as the dominant conference but here we are.
overtaking?
what I was getting at here is the SEC was protected by the 4-team CFP and are exposed by the 12-team one.
Also, the seeding in this thing is ridiculous
I like the seeding. I'm sure they will fix it so that anyone outside of the SEC or Big 10 has to win a road playoff game to get to the second round, though.
Post by: wetwillie on January 03, 2025, 05:22:35 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2025, 06:42:22 AM
I like the seeding. I'm sure they will fix it so that anyone outside of the SEC or Big 10 has to win a road playoff game to get to the second round, though.
You don't think it's messed up that the top 2 seeds arguably played tougher quarterfinal opponents than two teams that didn't even get a bye?
Post by: pissclams on January 03, 2025, 07:08:32 AM
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10149383-sec-commissioner-greg-sankey-absolutely-wants-change-to-cfp-bracket-format-for-2025
Post by: cfbandyman on January 03, 2025, 07:09:49 AM
Didn't see big 10 overtaking the SEC as the dominant conference but here we are.
overtaking?
what I was getting at here is the SEC was protected by the 4-team CFP and are exposed by the 12-team one.
Also, the seeding in this thing is ridiculous
Don't really care about the seeding, realistically having the big 10 and SEC champs be 1 and 2 was always going to happen. It's just more odd Boise if anything leaped into the top 4. I guess I enjoy having winning conferences matter.
I also agree. SEC especially this year is not very good. I think the big 10 was dealt a pretty favorable hand though. I think the only thing I wish in this playoff so far is Zona State won so no SEC and even with Texas still in ESPN to me has to keep trying to remind everyone about them.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 03, 2025, 08:06:00 AM
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 03, 2025, 08:17:01 AM
The Rose Bowl is awesome. "The Grandaddy of them all" as Keith Jackson famously said. The Rose Parade, the southern California setting, etc. Going back to a Final Four or the Cats winning a CFP (probably never going to happen) are about the only wins that would be better.I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
Post by: michigancat on January 03, 2025, 08:31:12 AM
The Rose Bowl is awesome. "The Grandaddy of them all" as Keith Jackson famously said. The Rose Parade, the southern California setting, etc. Going back to a Final Four or the Cats winning a CFP (probably never going to happen) are about the only wins that would be better.I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
sorry the rose bowl no longer exists
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on January 03, 2025, 08:51:46 AM
Pac 10 vs Big 10 classic and this incredible scene:The Rose Bowl is awesome. "The Grandaddy of them all" as Keith Jackson famously said. The Rose Parade, the southern California setting, etc. Going back to a Final Four or the Cats winning a CFP (probably never going to happen) are about the only wins that would be better.I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
sorry the rose bowl no longer exists
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Post by: Houstoncat93 on January 03, 2025, 09:06:15 AM
It still has stakes though. They celebrate, cut down nets, and get trophies for making the final four in basketball and we think nothing of it.
this is the equivalent of doing it for teams getting out of the round of 32 and calling it something like the "Madison Square Garden Classic". And also calling it the "Madison Square Garden Classic" If it's the Final Four or Regional or round of 32.Winning the Rose Bowl to get to the semi-finals is way more prestigious than winning the elite eight in some NBA stadium or domed football stadium to win the right to play in another dome.
Is it though? Do you think this matters more to Ohio State than a potential win at AT&T next week? I don't even know where the final is and no one really cares.
I think in the end what I don't like is that calling a quarterfinal the "Rose Bowl" feels very inauthentic/insincere. Like, you all threw away the tradition - just own it and stop trying to pretend it's what it was before the BCS. (I also know it doesn't really matter).
This is exactly my feeling on it. The Rose Bowl doesn't really exist anymore (along with all the other ones that are now playoff games). It is now a playoff and should be treated as such.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2025, 09:21:04 AM
I like the seeding. I'm sure they will fix it so that anyone outside of the SEC or Big 10 has to win a road playoff game to get to the second round, though.
You don't think it's messed up that the top 2 seeds arguably played tougher quarterfinal opponents than two teams that didn't even get a bye?
It's not at all messed up. Oregon got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Michigan and Georgia got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Northern Illinois.
Post by: chum1 on January 03, 2025, 09:22:22 AM
Though, I'm not one of those people who ever thought that winning the Rose Bowl was an end in itself.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2025, 09:38:31 AM
Post by: KST8FAN on January 03, 2025, 10:22:26 AM
Rose Bowl was on our bucket list. We went when the Cats played UCLA during Snyder 2.0. It was great.The Rose Bowl is awesome. "The Grandaddy of them all" as Keith Jackson famously said. The Rose Parade, the southern California setting, etc. Going back to a Final Four or the Cats winning a CFP (probably never going to happen) are about the only wins that would be better.I'm sorry but it's so silly that these prelim rounds are still called bowls.
Ohio State wearing Rose Bowl Champion hats is super dumb.
I don't get this take at all, one of you please explain it to me? 99% of Rose Bowls played and won had far less stakes than this one had. Why is it dumb now, but not dumb when they were CFP semi-finals, or better yet, not even part of the CFP?
Going to the Rose Bowl is absolutely #1 on my bucket list. Watching my team win the Rose Bowl is significantly lower, but it's still there. Those players are just as happy winning the Rose Bowl, in the CFP Quarterfinals, as another team winning a bowl not in the CFP.
Tom
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Post by: kim carnes on January 03, 2025, 10:32:51 AM
I like the seeding. I'm sure they will fix it so that anyone outside of the SEC or Big 10 has to win a road playoff game to get to the second round, though.
You don't think it's messed up that the top 2 seeds arguably played tougher quarterfinal opponents than two teams that didn't even get a bye?
It's not at all messed up. Oregon got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Michigan and Georgia got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Northern Illinois.
Osu is the last team that any other team in the playoff would want to play, hence why they were favored over Oregon. But if you want to ignore reality then go ahead.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2025, 10:49:02 AM
I like the seeding. I'm sure they will fix it so that anyone outside of the SEC or Big 10 has to win a road playoff game to get to the second round, though.
You don't think it's messed up that the top 2 seeds arguably played tougher quarterfinal opponents than two teams that didn't even get a bye?
It's not at all messed up. Oregon got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Michigan and Georgia got smoked by a team that lost a home game to Northern Illinois.
Osu is the last team that any other team in the playoff would want to play, hence why they were favored over Oregon. But if you want to ignore reality then go ahead.
Maybe we should have given them a first round bye for losing 2 games and finishing 3rd in their conference.
Post by: Cats-aholic on January 03, 2025, 11:07:28 AM
Didn't see big 10 overtaking the SEC as the dominant conference but here we are.
overtaking?
what I was getting at here is the SEC was protected by the 4-team CFP and are exposed by the 12-team one.
Also, the seeding in this thing is ridiculous
Don't really care about the seeding, realistically having the big 10 and SEC champs be 1 and 2 was always going to happen. It's just more odd Boise if anything leaped into the top 4. I guess I enjoy having winning conferences matter.
I also agree. SEC especially this year is not very good. I think the big 10 was dealt a pretty favorable hand though. I think the only thing I wish in this playoff so far is Zona State won so no SEC and even with Texas still in ESPN to me has to keep trying to remind everyone about them.
And thank God the SEC had their pocketbook open in the booth to make sure Texas wasn't called for targeting!! Otherwise there'd be ZERO SEC teams in the semifinals.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2025, 11:11:47 AM
Post by: kstate4life on January 03, 2025, 11:13:02 AM
I'm guessing Texas beats OSU and Notre Dame beats Penn State, then Texas beats Notre Dame.
OSU and former cat William Howard winning the whole thing.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 03, 2025, 11:15:06 AM
I'm guessing Texas beats OSU and Notre Dame beats Penn State, then Texas beats Notre Dame.
OSU and former cat William Howard winning the whole thing.
I hope so. Going to be really hard to not have a letdown after that game against Oregon, though.
Post by: cfbandyman on January 03, 2025, 11:56:23 AM
Post by: pissclams on January 03, 2025, 05:05:19 PM
penn state - notre dame is an interesting matchup, both play good defense. this one will be a coin flip, whichever team can handle the moment.
clams call: osu will beat notre dame and will howard will be beloved by buckeyes fans for eternity.
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Post by: nicname on January 03, 2025, 07:27:27 PM
Note Colley is not a predictor or how good a team is looking forward, but ranking of a team’s accomplishments thus far.
1. Oregon
2. Notre Dame
3. Texas
4. Ohio St
5. Penn St
6. Georgia
7. Boise St
8. Arizona St
9. Indiana
10. Alabama
11. SMU
12. Miami
18. Clemson
13. BYU
16. ISU
26. Colorado
34. Kansas State
35. Texas Tech
38. Baylor
42. TCU
61. Kansas
66. West Virginia
76. Cincy
87. Utah
92. Houston
95. UCF
101. Arizona
107. Oklahoma State
Post by: Pete on January 03, 2025, 07:38:12 PM
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/43271886/cfp-flip-dates-semifinals-sec-request
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