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Title: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 06:26:14 AM
Now that Alabama has deemed frozen embryos to be children, perhaps new avenues to the child tax credits have become available.  I wonder if I can freeze up a batch of a dozen or so children and keep them in my freezer in my home, then claim them on my tax return?  Additionally, I'd like to claim them on the FAFSA and qualify my non-frozen children for Pell Grants.

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/20/1232815486/alabama-supreme-court-frozen-embryos



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Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 06:38:11 AM
Downside Risk:  You'd probably need to buy a really good generator (or two?) for power redundancy.  If the power goes out and those children thaw, you could be prosecuted for child endangerment or murder if you didn't meet an acceptable standard of care. 
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 06:51:14 AM
QUESTION:  You think Alabama will need to amend their Birth Certificates and instead call them Inception Certificates? 
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2024, 06:54:58 AM
Mods, please move this to the Alabama thread
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 21, 2024, 07:06:22 AM
Pete if you’re running late in the morning just toss those bad boys in the passenger seat and take the carpool lane
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: CNS on February 21, 2024, 07:20:49 AM
How long do souls keep in the freezer?  Did the court add expiration dates and guidelines?

I heard, in Europe, they don’t even keep them in the fridge, they just leave them on the kitchen counter.

Is it possible that Big IVF is in cahoots with Big Freezer?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2024, 07:25:28 AM
I think all your tax breaks mentioned above are federal, Pete.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 07:36:12 AM
I think all your tax breaks mentioned above are federal, Pete.
If the state issues a birth certificate I wonder if the Feds have to acknowledge it as a child?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: hjfklmor on February 21, 2024, 08:44:35 AM
I think all your tax breaks mentioned above are federal, Pete.
If the state issues a birth certificate I wonder if the Feds have to acknowledge it as a child?

Get a DOB and SSN and I say shoot your shot.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2024, 09:18:43 AM
If my man Pete gets a SSN for a frozen embryo he is cooking with peanut oil on this idea
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Trim on February 21, 2024, 09:27:25 AM
Think.of the credit card points opportunities.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 09:46:18 AM
Downside Risk:  You'd probably need to buy a really good generator (or two?) for power redundancy.  If the power goes out and those children thaw, you could be prosecuted for child endangerment or murder if you didn't meet an acceptable standard of care.

child tax credit is a pretty good one.  I would have no problem getting a high end Kohler

I actually love this.

Dax what is the non-obese/stupid part of alabama?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2024, 10:02:19 AM
Huntsville . . .

Noting that both of us are posting from a state that's approaching a 40% obesity rate and is also on the cusp of being a net population decline state.



Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: MadCat on February 21, 2024, 10:32:13 AM
How long could one claim an embryo as a dependent?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: CNS on February 21, 2024, 11:17:34 AM
How long could one claim an embryo as a dependent?

I would assume until they are an 18 year old human or something.  Indefinitely?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 11:23:21 AM
Huntsville . . .

Noting that both of us are posting from a state that's approaching a 40% obesity rate and is also on the cusp of being a net population decline state.

Thanks, fat people gross me out.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2024, 11:33:26 AM
Then the quadrangle is a very unfriendly place for that phobia

Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: star seed 7 on February 21, 2024, 11:36:10 AM
Huntsville . . .

Noting that both of us are posting from a state that's approaching a 40% obesity rate and is also on the cusp of being a net population decline state.

Thanks, fat people gross me out.

I suggest staying away from Alabama
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 11:44:21 AM
Huntsville . . .

Noting that both of us are posting from a state that's approaching a 40% obesity rate and is also on the cusp of being a net population decline state.

Thanks, fat people gross me out.

I suggest staying away from Alabama

Just did a little research.  oof
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 21, 2024, 11:53:43 AM
An Alabama 10 is roughly equivalent to a Kansas City 4
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 21, 2024, 11:56:26 AM
 :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 12:42:54 PM
I have had a number of terrific vacations in Gulf Shores!
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 12:43:44 PM
How long could one claim an embryo as a dependent?

I would assume until they are an 18 year old human or something.  Indefinitely?
You should be able to claim a frozen embryo forever!
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 12:56:35 PM
What about these banks where these are stored?  What if some nurse drops a dish?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2024, 01:12:00 PM
Man what if Pete ends up having to pay child support on these frozen embryos.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 01:18:35 PM
What about these banks where these are stored?  What if some nurse drops a dish?
Well then she is a god damn murderer.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 01:20:02 PM
Man what if Pete ends up having to pay child support on these frozen embryos.
My idea would be to purchase frozen eggs from someone willing to sign a waiver, or from an estate where the mother of the frozen eggs has died with no other heirs with standing to sue me.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 01:21:04 PM
At this point this plan is still hypothetical, because my dong has been modded to shoot blanks. I’d have to return it to factory settings.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: MadCat on February 21, 2024, 01:24:03 PM
At this point this plan is still hypothetical, because my dong has been modded to shoot blanks. I’d have to return it to factory settings.
Is it possible to extract the swimmers from the source?  I don't think I would want to go through the snip again
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: catastrophe on February 21, 2024, 01:38:16 PM
At this point this plan is still hypothetical, because my dong has been modded to shoot blanks. I’d have to return it to factory settings.
I don’t see why you couldn’t adopt a gaggle of frozen children.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: wetwillie on February 21, 2024, 01:43:41 PM
Man what if Pete ends up having to pay child support on these frozen embryos.
My idea would be to purchase frozen eggs from someone willing to sign a waiver, or from an estate where the mother of the frozen eggs has died with no other heirs with standing to sue me.

You really have thought of everything
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 01:44:46 PM
adopt and keep at a clinic so you really have no risk of murdering your tax deductions when the power goes out
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: hjfklmor on February 21, 2024, 02:11:54 PM
At this point this plan is still hypothetical, because my dong has been modded to shoot blanks. I’d have to return it to factory settings.
I don’t see why you couldn’t adopt a gaggle of frozen children.

Now we are throwing in the adoption credit. Some real tax planning happening in here.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: IPA4Me on February 21, 2024, 02:18:31 PM
I like how you guys are thinking inside the box on this one.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 21, 2024, 04:04:58 PM
eff, I missed the adoption angle. That’s brilliant.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 04:50:07 PM
eh, why would the owner of a tax credit give it up for adoption?  They are enjoying the love and comfort of that money.  How much could you pay them that would still net you $$?

You are just buying their deduction, so you'd have to make it more than the deduction.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Institutional Control on February 21, 2024, 07:48:52 PM
It’s almost like Republicans are purposely trying to give apathetic voters a reason to show up in November.


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Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 21, 2024, 09:13:10 PM
It’s almost like Republicans are purposely trying to give apathetic voters a reason to show up in November.


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Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 22, 2024, 06:50:38 AM
eh, why would the owner of a tax credit give it up for adoption?  They are enjoying the love and comfort of that money.  How much could you pay them that would still net you $$?

You are just buying their deduction, so you'd have to make it more than the deduction.

People who don't want to live in Alabama could just keep selling them to people who live there.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 22, 2024, 06:54:07 AM
eh, why would the owner of a tax credit give it up for adoption?  They are enjoying the love and comfort of that money.  How much could you pay them that would still net you $$?

You are just buying their deduction, so you'd have to make it more than the deduction.

People who don't want to live in Alabama could just keep selling them to people who live there.

Yeah, buy eggs from Northern socialists and fertilize them in Alabama.  Heck, some of those dirty hippie yankies might just donate them to you.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 22, 2024, 08:24:05 AM
It’s honestly a perfect plan. The only thing that could screw it up would be if all the hospitals and clinics in Alabama just shut down their IVF programs bc they didn’t want to get sued
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 22, 2024, 03:07:11 PM
reminds me of the thought experiment: If you had time to save from a burning building either a) a freezer containing 10 million frozen embryos or b) a single toddler, which one would you choose?

https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1760717602416898065?s=20
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 22, 2024, 03:08:10 PM
reminds me of the thought experiment: If you had time to save from a burning building either a) a freezer containing 10 million frozen embryos or b) a single toddler, which one would you choose?

https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1760717602416898065?s=20

toddler every time
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: MadCat on February 22, 2024, 03:25:38 PM
Flip the script: what about 10 million frozen toddlers or a single embryo?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Stevesie60 on February 22, 2024, 04:16:46 PM
Goddammit nothing pisses me off more than people trying to make abortion talking points by using chicken eggs as an example.

Store bought eggs are not fertilized. They're a bird period. Not a baby bird. Consider them a used tampon.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Pete on February 22, 2024, 04:23:38 PM
Even if we can't get our eggs from Alabama, or fertilize them in Alabama, we could probably pay Dollar Store prices across the state line in Mississippi and then just Dukes of Hazard them back into Alabama.   
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: kstater on February 22, 2024, 06:52:45 PM
Tuberville hasn't seen the light of the tax benefits yet

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1760783335909925116?t=NPqlJu28k9MdefRPaQyU0w&s=19

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Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2024, 06:59:58 PM
Tubes said a bunch of dumb crap today. So, it was a normal day.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: catastrophe on February 22, 2024, 07:15:59 PM
reminds me of the thought experiment: If you had time to save from a burning building either a) a freezer containing 10 million frozen embryos or b) a single toddler, which one would you choose?

https://twitter.com/acnewsitics/status/1760717602416898065?s=20
Is that a thought experiment to identify psychopaths? I really struggle to imagine what brand of morality would lead to carrying out an armful of embryos while a toddler burns alive.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Trim on February 22, 2024, 09:21:42 PM
Tuberville hasn't seen the light of the tax benefits yet

https://twitter.com/BidenHQ/status/1760783335909925116?t=NPqlJu28k9MdefRPaQyU0w&s=19

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Setting aside abortion or whatever he has in mind, what is the rationale for thinking we need more kids?
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Spracne on February 22, 2024, 09:24:22 PM
That's the one thing he's not necessarily wrong about. We have a population problem, but the real solution is staring us right in the face ...
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: bucket on February 22, 2024, 09:40:53 PM
Setting aside abortion or whatever he has in mind, what is the rationale for thinking we need more kids?

There are media pubs who are pushing for big white families. Kirk, Tucker, etc. Could be repeating that talking point.
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: steve dave on February 22, 2024, 10:24:49 PM
the GOP seems to have their finger on the pulse (not you embryos) of the population

https://twitter.com/Acyn/status/1760881016414306610
Title: Re: Tax Optimization Idea: Move to Alabama, Keep Embryos in your Freezer
Post by: Spracne on February 23, 2024, 12:18:21 AM
I wish I could block DJT.