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Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 01:47:22 PM
Looks like you can count Mr Dave amongst those mad at Joe
I'm not mad at him at all. there are too many morons on this planet to get mad at all of them. I WILL, however, be mad if any actual good musicians get mad at him and it starts worsening my spotify experience. neil young, thankfully, sucks bigtime.
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 01:48:48 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 29, 2022, 01:49:34 PM
Looks like you can count Mr Dave amongst those mad at Joe
I'm not mad at him at all. there are too many morons on this planet to get mad at all of them. I WILL, however, be mad if any actual good musicians get mad at him and it starts worsening my spotify experience. neil young, thankfully, sucks bigtime.
Hey man, keep on rockin' in the free world, says this dispassionate commentator. How's the hangover?
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 01:52:08 PM
Looks like you can count Mr Dave amongst those mad at Joe
I'm not mad at him at all. there are too many morons on this planet to get mad at all of them. I WILL, however, be mad if any actual good musicians get mad at him and it starts worsening my spotify experience. neil young, thankfully, sucks bigtime.
Hey man, keep on rockin' in the free world, says this dispassionate commentator. How's the hangover?
fun fact, I don't really get hangovers. I used to, but I think it was more due to the heaters I'd mow through while drinking. I think my body gave up on trying to make me regret drinking.
Post by: Spracne on January 29, 2022, 01:53:50 PM
Looks like you can count Mr Dave amongst those mad at Joe
I'm not mad at him at all. there are too many morons on this planet to get mad at all of them. I WILL, however, be mad if any actual good musicians get mad at him and it starts worsening my spotify experience. neil young, thankfully, sucks bigtime.
Hey man, keep on rockin' in the free world, says this dispassionate commentator. How's the hangover?
fun fact, I don't really get hangovers. I used to, but I think it was more due to the heaters I'd mow through while drinking. I think my body gave up on trying to make me regret drinking.
I don't get hangovers either. Also, never get sick. I think it's my superior Nordic genes.
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 01:54:11 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 29, 2022, 01:55:11 PM
also spotify absolutely needs to hold their ground on this. you can't cowtow to every hippy who throws a fit about morons talking to other morons.
I believe I have a post on this very blogsite saying "free market" but also predicting Neil would absolutely lose this gambit.
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This is trending in the direction where they are going to have to say or do something. They need the rich musicians more than the rich musicians need them. If these artists keep pulling out it's going to become a real problem.
But what about Rogan's First Amendment rights, huh? (Still think they'll choose Rogan)
Post by: waks on January 29, 2022, 02:26:50 PM
He has something like 13 million listeners. Seems like a lot.This is trending in the direction where they are going to have to say or do something. They need the rich musicians more than the rich musicians need them. If these artists keep pulling out it's going to become a real problem.
But what about Rogan's First Amendment rights, huh? (Still think they'll choose Rogan)
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 02:30:34 PM
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2022, 03:25:16 PM
He has something like 13 million listeners. Seems like a lot.This is trending in the direction where they are going to have to say or do something. They need the rich musicians more than the rich musicians need them. If these artists keep pulling out it's going to become a real problem.
But what about Rogan's First Amendment rights, huh? (Still think they'll choose Rogan)
He has the #1 podcast but most Spotify listeners aren't there for that podcast, it's a relatively minute part of their business.
https://twitter.com/btsloyalist/status/1487496948672311300
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 03:38:49 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 29, 2022, 04:06:38 PM
also spotify absolutely needs to hold their ground on this. you can't cowtow to every hippy who throws a fit about morons talking to other morons.
Steve dave, yes!
Post by: chum1 on January 29, 2022, 04:56:20 PM
https://twitter.com/nathanTbernard/status/1486742892089647109
Post by: waks on January 29, 2022, 05:07:31 PM
Man, I am very out of touch with what the kids are listening to these days. No idea who Bad Bunny or J Balvin are.He has something like 13 million listeners. Seems like a lot.This is trending in the direction where they are going to have to say or do something. They need the rich musicians more than the rich musicians need them. If these artists keep pulling out it's going to become a real problem.
But what about Rogan's First Amendment rights, huh? (Still think they'll choose Rogan)
He has the #1 podcast but most Spotify listeners aren't there for that podcast, it's a relatively minute part of their business.
https://twitter.com/btsloyalist/status/1487496948672311300
Post by: catastrophe on January 29, 2022, 06:56:30 PM
I’ve been a fan of Rogan since News Radio, even though I think on balance he is a pretty big time moron.
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 07:14:47 PM
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Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 08:35:56 PM
I can assure you no one relies on Rogan for anything other than entertainment value. He lets Alex Jones on to get high and talk about aliens. I’ll never understand people who want to censor other people for their content.
a) I think you are overestimating the intelligence of an absolute huge percentage of his listerers/our population.
b) nobody is censor'ing anyone. and if spotify decides to cut him or do anything else they won't be either. they will be making a business decision which this absolute trash stock price demands they make. and he is free to still talk moron talk to other morons anywhere else this giant capitalist planet will allow.
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2022, 08:43:43 PM
Post by: steve dave on January 29, 2022, 08:45:02 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.good post good poster michigancat
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 09:02:04 PM
I can assure you no one relies on Rogan for anything other than entertainment value. He lets Alex Jones on to get high and talk about aliens. I’ll never understand people who want to censor other people for their content.
a) I think you are overestimating the intelligence of an absolute huge percentage of his listerers/our population.
b) nobody is censor'ing anyone. and if spotify decides to cut him or do anything else they won't be either. they will be making a business decision which this absolute trash stock price demands they make. and he is free to still talk moron talk to other morons anywhere else this giant capitalist planet will allow.
The musicians are absolutely trying to censor him by leveraging their economics. It looks like they probably won’t be successful, which ironically is what I think Joe wants to happen. He has basically abandoned what made him popular and has leaned into the covid stuff which has predictably landed him in the crosshairs.
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 09:05:50 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.
Why even try to remove his platform? Just have Dr Malone on whatever other format people trust and let him state his case. If his ideas are false/dumb/whatever people take issue with then it will become evident and people can decide for themselves.
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2022, 09:11:39 PM
I can assure you no one relies on Rogan for anything other than entertainment value. He lets Alex Jones on to get high and talk about aliens. I’ll never understand people who want to censor other people for their content.
a) I think you are overestimating the intelligence of an absolute huge percentage of his listerers/our population.
b) nobody is censor'ing anyone. and if spotify decides to cut him or do anything else they won't be either. they will be making a business decision which this absolute trash stock price demands they make. and he is free to still talk moron talk to other morons anywhere else this giant capitalist planet will allow.
The musicians are absolutely trying to censor him by leveraging their economics. It looks like they probably won’t be successful, which ironically is what I think Joe wants to happen. He has basically abandoned what made him popular and has leaned into the covid stuff which has predictably landed him in the crosshairs.
First of all, are you crazy? Lots of people not only take Joe Rogan for gospel, but they are the most likely to rub him in someone else's face like he's the final word on everything he says.
Secondly, what the musicians are doing isn't censorship they're trying to deplatform him and there's a difference. If he were on his own network they'd treat him like Alex Jones and that's ignore the eff out of him. They don't want to share a platform with him and that's their right. If I knew someone I despised, like that racist I have purple wood, sat in the same restaurant as me, I'd ask someone to make him leave. If they did, awesome, if they didn't I'd have to, because I wouldn't want to look at his hood or smell the sulfur coming off of his body. My hope is that they would say, sorry Mr Rain, don't leave we'll get him to go, but they very well may not then I'd have to go somewhere else for my tomahawk steak.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 29, 2022, 09:15:46 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.
Why even try to remove his platform? Just have Dr Malone on whatever other format people trust and let him state his case. If his ideas are false/dumb/whatever people take issue with then it will become evident and people can decide for themselves.
I mean I don't really give a crap, I'm all about survival of the fittest, but people are dying because of COVID and vaccine misinformation. He has one of the biggest platforms for this disinformation. He's not lying about investment advise, his advice may have very likely gotten some people killed. Joni Mitchell cares more about saving these people than they care about saving themselves.
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2022, 09:17:20 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.
Why even try to remove his platform? Just have Dr Malone on whatever other format people trust and let him state his case. If his ideas are false/dumb/whatever people take issue with then it will become evident and people can decide for themselves.
I am not trying to remove his platform but I think those who are take issue with the opinions he amplifies that absolutely lead to more unvaccinated dipshits and make it harder for society to get back to normal. The people who take issue with it also profit from his platform and can rightfully choose to not do business with an organization they think is harming society with someone they feel is dangerous to society.
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 09:29:39 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.
Why even try to remove his platform? Just have Dr Malone on whatever other format people trust and let him state his case. If his ideas are false/dumb/whatever people take issue with then it will become evident and people can decide for themselves.
I am not trying to remove his platform but I think those who are take issue with the opinions he amplifies that absolutely lead to more unvaccinated dipshits and make it harder for society to get back to normal. The people who take issue with it also profit from his platform and can rightfully choose to not do business with an organization they think is harming society with someone they feel is dangerous to society.
I agree they can freely leverage their economics to influence who they share a platform with. Their intent is to make what he and his guests have to say less accessible which I’m not a proponent of philosophically.
Post by: Cire on January 29, 2022, 09:51:58 PM
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Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2022, 09:58:51 PM
Yeah ww you'll still be able to listen to Joe uncensored it just might not be on Spotify. But it probably still will be.
Why even try to remove his platform? Just have Dr Malone on whatever other format people trust and let him state his case. If his ideas are false/dumb/whatever people take issue with then it will become evident and people can decide for themselves.
I am not trying to remove his platform but I think those who are take issue with the opinions he amplifies that absolutely lead to more unvaccinated dipshits and make it harder for society to get back to normal. The people who take issue with it also profit from his platform and can rightfully choose to not do business with an organization they think is harming society with someone they feel is dangerous to society.
I agree they can freely leverage their economics to influence who they share a platform with. Their intent is to make what he and his guests have to say less accessible which I’m not a proponent of philosophically.
I bet you have a limit to what content you would choose to both profit from and support.
Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2022, 10:00:48 PM
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 10:08:20 PM
You have to understand that these artists have skin in the game. It is their platform as much as it is Rogan's.
Are you suggesting these artists are worried they will make less money if they continue to offer their product on the same platform as Joe Rogan?
Post by: Cire on January 29, 2022, 10:17:58 PM
No but they can get a windfall from libs who will buy their music because of thisYou have to understand that these artists have skin in the game. It is their platform as much as it is Rogan's.
Are you suggesting these artists are worried they will make less money if they continue to offer their product on the same platform as Joe Rogan?
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Post by: michigancat on January 29, 2022, 10:19:48 PM
You have to understand that these artists have skin in the game. It is their platform as much as it is Rogan's.
Are you suggesting these artists are worried they will make less money if they continue to offer their product on the same platform as Joe Rogan?
No, I'm suggesting they don't want to profit from what Rogan brings to Spotify and don't want to bring listeners to Rogan by having their music on Spotify. This will probably be an overall money loser for anyone that takes their content off Spotify.
Post by: wetwillie on January 29, 2022, 10:35:02 PM
You have to understand that these artists have skin in the game. It is their platform as much as it is Rogan's.
Are you suggesting these artists are worried they will make less money if they continue to offer their product on the same platform as Joe Rogan?
No, I'm suggesting they don't want to profit from what Rogan brings to Spotify and don't want to bring listeners to Rogan by having their music on Spotify. This will probably be an overall money loser for anyone that takes their content off Spotify.
Oh yea they will be shooting their dick off financially for sure. But maybe as Cire suggests it will be the catalyst for a different platform free of things these artists don’t want to be associated with. But mostly I agree with SD that Spotify needs to squash the beef and continue whipping ass.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2022, 02:11:33 AM
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Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 06:39:16 AM
You don't have to listen to Joe. Why get your undies knotted?
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I don't listen, but the artists are effectively supporting Rogan by staying on Spotify. Which is a bit different than you or me just ignoring him.
Post by: IPA4Me on January 30, 2022, 06:45:02 AM
I'm talking about the rest of you.You don't have to listen to Joe. Why get your undies knotted?
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I don't listen, but the artists are effectively supporting Rogan by staying on Spotify. Which is a bit different than you or me just ignoring him.
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Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 06:49:18 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2022, 07:03:16 AM
They are losing a very small cut by leaving Spotify. They get $4 per thousand plays, $4000 per million plays. Joni Mitchell or Neil Young can do one solitary concert and make more on that than they would make on Spotify for their lives.
Man Spotify out here robbing folks, damn. These artists should get together and make their own app and make a larger piece of that pie.
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Post by: 8manpick on January 30, 2022, 07:27:08 AM
Bad Bunny is a professional wrestlerMan, I am very out of touch with what the kids are listening to these days. No idea who Bad Bunny or J Balvin are.He has something like 13 million listeners. Seems like a lot.This is trending in the direction where they are going to have to say or do something. They need the rich musicians more than the rich musicians need them. If these artists keep pulling out it's going to become a real problem.
But what about Rogan's First Amendment rights, huh? (Still think they'll choose Rogan)
He has the #1 podcast but most Spotify listeners aren't there for that podcast, it's a relatively minute part of their business.
https://twitter.com/btsloyalist/status/1487496948672311300
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 07:47:49 AM
I'd have no idea JRE existed if it wasn't for the whining. I have Spotify premium. So I hadn't heard any commercials nor had his show suggested as I don't listen to that style of show.I would recommend not tuning in. It’s moronville USA population all the morons. But if you are, say, a moron….maybe it’s for you.
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Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 07:48:21 AM
I'd have no idea JRE existed if it wasn't for the whining. I have Spotify premium. So I hadn't heard any commercials nor had his show suggested as I don't listen to that style of show.
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Yeah I bet a lot of folks are like you which probably has something to do with what Neil Young did.
Also I want to point out that the idea that Joe Rogan is just entertainment and doesn't influence the opinions of his listeners is one of the wildest takes I've ever heard.
Post by: mocat on January 30, 2022, 07:48:24 AM
Post by: IPA4Me on January 30, 2022, 07:55:10 AM
I turned on a couple last week. Meh. Not my thing.I'd have no idea JRE existed if it wasn't for the whining. I have Spotify premium. So I hadn't heard any commercials nor had his show suggested as I don't listen to that style of show.I would recommend not tuning in. It’s moronville USA population all the morons. But if you are, say, a moron….maybe it’s for you.
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I'd rather listen to a sports show or some Eminem.
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Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2022, 08:25:20 AM
Well I also think it's valid for Spotify premium subscribers to not want their money to go to Joe Rogan. Even if they don't listen, they're contributing.As someone who has finally caved to not cancelling Spotify premium after doing like 3 cycles of canceling after $10 for 3 months, I honestly dngaf about 2 cents of my monthly fee going to Joe or whatever it is.
It would be a tough ethical position to maintain consistently imho, but obviously if a few subscribers wanna pick this hill then I support the free market.
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Post by: Cire on January 30, 2022, 09:23:10 AM
https://twitter.com/billkalpak/status/1487602513566216195?s=21
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Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2022, 09:27:09 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 30, 2022, 09:29:30 AM
Hell, I had no idea WTF Spotify is and really don't give a crap, since I listen to SXM most of the time. After reading this thread last night and this morning, I still DGAF about Spotify. One thing for certain is there is no way Spotify is going to drop the number one program for a few musicians that have dropped their involvement.
Unless it was Eminem
Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 09:37:18 AM
Well I also think it's valid for Spotify premium subscribers to not want their money to go to Joe Rogan. Even if they don't listen, they're contributing.As someone who has finally caved to not cancelling Spotify premium after doing like 3 cycles of canceling after $10 for 3 months, I honestly dngaf about 2 cents of my monthly fee going to Joe or whatever it is.
It would be a tough ethical position to maintain consistently imho, but obviously if a few subscribers wanna pick this hill then I support the free market.
OK
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 09:39:02 AM
What exactly did he say to get everyone in a tiff ?I think calling the vaccine dangerous and not worth getting. He has been responsible for killing a few fringe MAGAs for sure. But probably fewer than trump.
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Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 09:39:54 AM
What exactly did he say to get everyone in a tiff ?I think calling the vaccine dangerous and not worth getting. He has been responsible for killing a few fringe MAGAs for sure. But probably fewer than trump.
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Really, Neil Young's the one that got everyone in a tiff
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 09:40:31 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2022, 09:42:32 AM
What exactly did he say to get everyone in a tiff ?I think calling the vaccine dangerous and not worth getting. He has been responsible for killing a few fringe MAGAs for sure. But probably fewer than trump.
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He said the vaccine is dangerous for adults and they shouldn’t get it? I thought he just showed his ass about myocarditis in kids and got slam dunked by that Aussie Journo in real time for it.
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Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2022, 10:21:48 AM
If you hold Rogan as your source for covid information, I'm fine with whatever consequences happen to you.
Post by: Spracne on January 30, 2022, 10:32:25 AM
I listened to maybe 5 Rogan shows last year, it is literally the only times I've used spotify. I'm familiar enough with him to know he doesn't represent himself as some authority and is quite willing to tell everyone he's a moron. For that reason I don't really view him as dangerous like dax's guy tucker Carlson. Rogan is getting duped himself, not intentionally duping the public like many anti-vax leaders.
If you hold Rogan as your source for covid information, I'm fine with whatever consequences happen to you.
My man over here spitting truth.
Post by: chum1 on January 30, 2022, 10:35:53 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 10:41:50 AM
I listened to maybe 5 Rogan shows last year, it is literally the only times I've used spotify. I'm familiar enough with him to know he doesn't represent himself as some authority and is quite willing to tell everyone he's a moron. For that reason I don't really view him as dangerous like dax's guy tucker Carlson. Rogan is getting duped himself, not intentionally duping the public like many anti-vax leaders.
If you hold Rogan as your source for covid information, I'm fine with whatever consequences happen to you.
yeah, well said. I do feel for morons who are too dumb to help themselves though. but you can't regulate that.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2022, 11:07:18 AM
Also, I've never partaken in this Rogan guy's podcast. Seems very douchey.
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 11:15:42 AM
https://twitter.com/jimmyjazz1968/status/1487539580974735360
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2022, 11:17:43 AM
Post by: Cire on January 30, 2022, 11:17:48 AM
lmao’d at this good tweethttps://twitter.com/hella_girth/status/1487587566027034629?s=21
https://twitter.com/jimmyjazz1968/status/1487539580974735360
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Post by: wetwillie on January 30, 2022, 11:17:57 AM
Post by: Spracne on January 30, 2022, 11:18:47 AM
lmao’d at this good tweet
https://twitter.com/jimmyjazz1968/status/1487539580974735360
Oh yes. That's the good stuff.
Post by: bucket on January 30, 2022, 11:24:20 AM
Have I ever punched up a Neil Young or Jonnie Mitchell (sp?) song on the internet ever?
Also, I've never partaken in this Rogan guy's podcast. Seems very douchey.
The podcast is actually pretty enjoyable, as is Joe Rogan. The problem is people treating it as a source of information instead of entertainment. I guess you could ask for a disclaimer, but, like Lib7 said, he's already said he's an idiot on multiple occasions.
Post by: Phil Titola on January 30, 2022, 11:49:56 AM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2022, 11:55:27 AM
What exactly did he say to get everyone in a tiff ?I think calling the vaccine dangerous and not worth getting. He has been responsible for killing a few fringe MAGAs for sure. But probably fewer than trump.
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He said the vaccine is dangerous for adults and they shouldn’t get it? I thought he just showed his ass about myocarditis in kids and got slam dunked by that Aussie Journo in real time for it.
What are you doing ITT, just playing devil's advocate? I don't know why everyone keeps letting us know they don't listen to the JRE, I think it's well established that none of us having this conversation listen to the show, but it's culturally relevant right now and you have to almost actively avoid clips, especially if you're active on twitter.
That being said, I've seen the clip of him saying that if you're young and healthy you don't need the vaccine a billion times. He's also been on this board roughly a billion times before this thread was created. There are enough clips and quotes from him first doubting the existence of COVID, then lashing out against masking, to now denying them efficacy of the vaccine and touting unproven alternative cures. You can see all of that by regularly reading this board and or reading twitter. I'm struggling with your, "what has he really done to deserve this," or @IPA4Me's "just don't listen you'll be fine" knowing none of us listen.
Post by: catastrophe on January 30, 2022, 12:16:59 PM
Maybe I’ve grown overly cynical but I feel like most people nowadays only distinguish between information, entertainment, and propaganda based on whether the presented “facts” match up with their preconceived notions. If Rogan started promoting vaccines I feel like almost any anti-vaxxer would say “well Rogan said himself he’s a moron” and find another news story to latch onto like those Russia sponsored websites Dax always links to.
Post by: steve dave on January 30, 2022, 12:23:14 PM
I agree anyone with a platform that big has a moral responsibility to take the facts more seriously, but as a thought experiment I’m legitimately curious who we think would have been spared if Rogan sang a different tune on COVID, vaccines, etc.
Maybe I’ve grown overly cynical but I feel like most people nowadays only distinguish between information, entertainment, and propaganda based on whether the presented “facts” match up with their preconceived notions. If Rogan started promoting vaccines I feel like almost any anti-vaxxer would say “well Rogan said himself he’s a moron” and find another news story to latch onto like those Russia sponsored websites Dax always links to.
yeah, most downgrades won't care either way. maybe 1% could be swayed.
Post by: Cire on January 30, 2022, 12:34:02 PM
All those singer songwriters can also do whatever they want too
So can Spotify
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Post by: michigancat on January 30, 2022, 12:36:48 PM
I agree anyone with a platform that big has a moral responsibility to take the facts more seriously, but as a thought experiment I’m legitimately curious who we think would have been spared if Rogan sang a different tune on COVID, vaccines, etc.
Maybe I’ve grown overly cynical but I feel like most people nowadays only distinguish between information, entertainment, and propaganda based on whether the presented “facts” match up with their preconceived notions. If Rogan started promoting vaccines I feel like almost any anti-vaxxer would say “well Rogan said himself he’s a moron” and find another news story to latch onto like those Russia sponsored websites Dax always links to.
On the flip side, who could Neil Young (potentially) have influence over that would make a bigger impact?
Post by: Spracne on January 30, 2022, 12:44:01 PM
I agree anyone with a platform that big has a moral responsibility to take the facts more seriously, but as a thought experiment I’m legitimately curious who we think would have been spared if Rogan sang a different tune on COVID, vaccines, etc.
Maybe I’ve grown overly cynical but I feel like most people nowadays only distinguish between information, entertainment, and propaganda based on whether the presented “facts” match up with their preconceived notions. If Rogan started promoting vaccines I feel like almost any anti-vaxxer would say “well Rogan said himself he’s a moron” and find another news story to latch onto like those Russia sponsored websites Dax always links to.
On the flip side, who could Neil Young (potentially) have influence over that would make a bigger impact?
If anything, it will only embolden the Southern Man.
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Post by: sys on January 30, 2022, 01:19:11 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2022, 01:25:59 PM
i think the correct devil's advocacy re. rogan is that if he is "deplatformed" at spotify he'll just go back to having a free podcast, so more people rather than fewer people will be able to listen to his opinions on vaccines.
Very good point
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2022, 01:46:13 PM
Post by: sys on January 30, 2022, 02:12:15 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 30, 2022, 06:01:48 PM
It's free on spotify, just exclusive to their app.
Does their app have a video component or does he simulcast the video somewhere? It's always video clips, never audio.
Post by: star seed 7 on January 30, 2022, 06:08:29 PM
It's free on spotify, just exclusive to their app.
Does their app have a video component or does he simulcast the video somewhere? It's always video clips, never audio.
Yes, the app has the video
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 08:17:41 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 08:19:21 AM
Post by: wetwillie on January 31, 2022, 08:24:39 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 31, 2022, 08:32:40 AM
Props to him for being an untalented hack and yet managing to build that into a franchise.
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 08:47:46 AM
The dude is unlistenable. He’s one of the worst interviewers I’ve ever heard.
Props to him for being an untalented hack and yet managing to build that into a franchise.
Lots of bros out there who like that there's a dude that thinks the way that they do and or think that could be them if they caught a few breaks.
Rogan and Barstool fans are in the same part of the venn diagram
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 09:02:00 AM
The dude is unlistenable. He’s one of the worst interviewers I’ve ever heard.
Props to him for being an untalented hack and yet managing to build that into a franchise.
He should go back to Fear Factor, that show was a banger and as much as I loved Ludacris, the show wasn't the same with him.
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 09:06:28 AM
Also lol at the dick rider who posted this tweet. Rogan has spent two years trolling COVID, now because there's been an effective way to get him to listen this dude is trying to give Rogan a Nobel prize.
https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1488160148350808071
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 09:08:19 AM
Not to image shame but goddamn, how much makeup does this dude wear when he's on TV? Sheesh.
Also lol at the dick rider who posted this tweet. Rogan has spent two years trolling COVID, now because there's been an effective way to get him to listen this dude is trying to give Rogan a Nobel prize.
https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1488160148350808071
lmao, Pomp is a $btc maxi and is on CNBC sometimes talking about $btc to $5m and all kinds of crazy crap. of course he loves joe rogan.
Post by: Trim on January 31, 2022, 09:26:49 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
I played that whole thing in the background. Did I miss him getting chip’d and telling loads of idiots to get chip’d too?
I don't think so. but he did take horse dewormer.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 09:43:00 AM
"did his own research" guy clogs up the hospitals and morgues.
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 09:46:10 AM
Not to image shame but goddamn, how much makeup does this dude wear when he's on TV? Sheesh.
Also lol at the dick rider who posted this tweet. Rogan has spent two years trolling COVID, now because there's been an effective way to get him to listen this dude is trying to give Rogan a Nobel prize.
https://twitter.com/APompliano/status/1488160148350808071
I made it to the point where he listed things that saying would get you banned from social media and turned it off. gtfo dude, name one person banned "from social media" for questioning the effectiveness of cloth masks
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 09:51:54 AM
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 10:10:29 AM
Post by: nicname on January 31, 2022, 10:20:14 AM
He's not the devil some on here are painting him as. He's also not the media-deity many of his -- especially newer -- fanboys make him out to be.
For most of his career the majority of his fans have been left-leaning. This has obviously changed with his stances on covid and vaccines, bringing in a lot more right leaning folks. I believe it's caused a bit of a kerfluffle amongst the old and new fans.
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 10:23:22 AM
He's not the devil some on here are painting him as.
lmao, wut
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 31, 2022, 10:23:46 AM
He's awful in every way.
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 10:27:26 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 10:28:56 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Oh, I thought people were worried about something.
Post by: bucket on January 31, 2022, 10:31:09 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 10:31:40 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 10:33:04 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
the artists are worried that they will profit from and/or generate profits for opinions they think are dangerous. They have a moral objection to that. It's been explained several times and is pretty simple.
Post by: bucket on January 31, 2022, 10:33:26 AM
Does he still talk about DMT? Need to find me some of that it sounds incredible.
I'm not sure, but those are some of the episodes that pique my interest.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 31, 2022, 10:35:47 AM
Somehow Tucker Carlson finds a way to get it wrong though...when he says "i'm just asking questions..." he just sounds like a gotcha-boy with a crap-eating confused look on his face.
Post by: Justwin on January 31, 2022, 10:36:00 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
the artists are worried that they will profit from and/or generate profits for opinions they think are dangerous. They have a moral objection to that. It's been explained several times and is pretty simple.
LOL at those artists and their "morals."
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 10:36:56 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
the artists are worried that they will profit from and/or generate profits for opinions they think are dangerous. They have a moral objection to that. It's been explained several times and is pretty simple.
Oh, I guess I'm just confused because it doesn't make any sense to me.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 10:43:19 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Oh, I thought people were worried about something.
People are enraged that Neil Young is worried
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 10:44:30 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Oh, I thought people were worried about something.
People are enraged that Neil Young is worried
it's wild that neil young has this much influence on peoples feelings
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 10:47:53 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Oh, I thought people were worried about something.
People are enraged that Neil Young is worried
it's wild that neil young has this much influence on peoples feelings
I can only name one of his songs, not by name but I can hum it and know a few words. Somehow he has made an entire segment of folks crap their pants. very weird
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 10:51:05 AM
Hope Neil Young will remember that Spotify don't need him around anyhowWhat are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
I don't think anyone is worried about anything. But if you are studying in the library and the dude sitting at the next table keeps ripping loud and stinky farts, you can either stay in the same seat or go take yourself somewhere else.
Oh, I thought people were worried about something.
People are enraged that Neil Young is worried
it's wild that neil young has this much influence on peoples feelings
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 31, 2022, 10:54:35 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
the artists are worried that they will profit from and/or generate profits for opinions they think are dangerous. They have a moral objection to that. It's been explained several times and is pretty simple.
Oh, I guess I'm just confused because it doesn't make any sense to me.
hey _33 do you sincerely not understand it or are you just being a silly goose on a message board?
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:02:09 AM
Post by: Tobias on January 31, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Post by: steve dave on January 31, 2022, 11:08:03 AM
he's just asking questionslmao
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 11:08:50 AM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
the artists are worried that they will profit from and/or generate profits for opinions they think are dangerous. They have a moral objection to that. It's been explained several times and is pretty simple.
Oh, I guess I'm just confused because it doesn't make any sense to me.
I guess so
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 11:20:09 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:22:15 AM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?
Having the right to do whatever you want within the democratically passed laws is pretty wild too. I guess neil young is just wild
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 11:23:12 AM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?
Having the right to do whatever you want within the democratically passed laws is pretty wild too. I guess neil young is just wild
He can absolutely do whatever he wants. As can Spotify. The motivations are just crazy to me I guess.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:27:53 AM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?
Having the right to do whatever you want within the democratically passed laws is pretty wild too. I guess neil young is just wild
He can absolutely do whatever he wants. As can Spotify. The motivations are just crazy to me I guess.
I would say his montivation is $$ as it drove rogan fans into a furious rage and has created more attention for Young than he has had in 20 years. Young must have known the morn rogan base would do this. Don't look too far past the $$.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on January 31, 2022, 11:35:38 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:36:59 AM
Hopefully for Neil Young and his fans, that 1980's Playboy interview doesn't keep bubbling up to the surface.
does neil young still have fans? I have never met one
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 11:37:33 AM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 11:38:36 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on January 31, 2022, 11:39:58 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:42:14 AM
So many Neil Young haters on here. I like his music. Don't really care about him otherwise and only think about him a few times a year, but is the dragging necessary?
I think his music is crappy
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 11:42:45 AM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 11:43:10 AM
So many Neil Young haters on here. I like his music. Don't really care about him otherwise and only think about him a few times a year, but is the dragging necessary?
I think his music is crappy
Heart of Gold is a banger.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 11:44:43 AM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 11:49:08 AM
Old Man is a good song to have on in the background when you out in the garage trying to fix something and don't really have any idea what you are doing.
Down By The River is a great song to listen to if you're down by the river and just shot your baby.
Hey Hey, My My is a good song to listen to if you've just come out of the blue and into the black.
The Needle and the Damage done is perfect to listen to if you've just seen the needle and the damage it has done.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 11:49:58 AM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 11:50:51 AM
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 11:50:57 AM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2022, 11:51:57 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 11:54:06 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 11:56:25 AM
Keep on Rockin' in the Free World is a good song for when you are sitting down for a nice dinner, but you want to keep it somewhat casual.
I have heard of this one
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 11:58:41 AM
rogan still has things on youtube, facebook, IG, twitter, etc. should Neil Young just take himself off the grid altogether?Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
Post by: Trim on January 31, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
Post by: MadCat on January 31, 2022, 12:03:50 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 12:06:40 PM
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 12:11:34 PM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
Sure. But what does that have to do with this?
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 31, 2022, 12:11:46 PM
Our House (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young) is a great song to listen to when you've just moved into your first home with your wife who's pregnant with your first child.
sounds like a crowd. the kind of place where there's always something happening. I would imagine it's usually quite loud.
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 12:16:24 PM
rogan still has things on youtube, facebook, IG, twitter, etc. should Neil Young just take himself off the grid altogether?Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
do you have any idea how the relationship between Rogan and spotify might be unique compared to the others you listed?
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 12:17:21 PM
Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
Sure. But what does that have to do with this?
they would literally be sharing a platform in the concert example
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on January 31, 2022, 12:19:30 PM
:lol:Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
Sure. But what does that have to do with this?
they would literally be sharing a platform in the concert example
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 12:34:01 PM
I would love insight into how someone gets to the point where they think being on the same streaming service as someone else means somehow they are associated/ideas align?rogan still has things on youtube, facebook, IG, twitter, etc. should Neil Young just take himself off the grid altogether?Having a moral objection to being on the same platform as someone who disagrees with you about the vaccine is just wild. Does no one else think it's wild?What if Neil was playing a concert and the headlining set was Joe Rogan interviewing an anti-vaxxer? Would you question why he might choose to not perform?
do you have any idea how the relationship between Rogan and spotify might be unique compared to the others you listed?
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Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 12:35:26 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZ78msr3d8
dude's a damn legend
Post by: Institutional Control on January 31, 2022, 12:40:27 PM
Post by: mocat on January 31, 2022, 01:02:45 PM
Like a Hurricane
After the Gold Rush
Cortez the Killer
Tell Me Why
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 01:08:48 PM
Post by: Spracne on January 31, 2022, 01:12:04 PM
Long May You Run is a good song for when Canada asks you to go out and serenade everyone after the Olympics are over.
Also a good song to mourn the death of a spouse/friend.
Post by: chum1 on January 31, 2022, 01:14:27 PM
Our House (Crosby, Stills, Nash & Young) is a great song to listen to when you've just moved into your first home with your wife who's pregnant with your first child.
Teach Your Children Well for after the baby is born.
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 01:19:47 PM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 01:21:09 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 31, 2022, 01:26:45 PM
Post by: I_have_purplewood on January 31, 2022, 01:51:47 PM
Harvest moon is a delight so you all can just stfu.
Unknown Legend on this CD is also amazing.
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 01:57:57 PM
Harvest moon is a delight so you all can just stfu.
Unknown Legend on this CD is also amazing.
sheesh. Neil is really good at music!
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 02:02:28 PM
Post by: Institutional Control on January 31, 2022, 02:16:12 PM
It's too bad he pulled himself off of Spotify so I can't listen to all of these songs people are recommending.
Youtube
Post by: nicname on January 31, 2022, 02:37:04 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 02:52:06 PM
What are people worried will happen if Joe Rogan continues to have on opinion on Spotify?
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Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 02:55:07 PM
He's not the devil some on here are painting him as.
lmao, wut
Yeah nic, you're going to need to @ some people on this one, this looks ridiculous
Post by: mocat on January 31, 2022, 03:01:50 PM
Harvest moon is a delight so you all can just stfu.
Unknown Legend on this CD is also amazing.
oh yeah forgot about that one
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 04:06:10 PM
Nice work, Don Grungino
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 04:11:03 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 04:25:01 PM
Married Daryl Hannah, pretty good pull for such an uggo dude
Exploited maga nitwits for a renewed relevancy, also pretty good
Post by: passranch on January 31, 2022, 04:31:41 PM
It's too bad he pulled himself off of Spotify so I can't listen to all of these songs people are recommending.
Youtube
This right here. I got YouTube Premium and it removes all the ads from YouTube in addition to giving me YouTube Music. Win-Win.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 04:35:52 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 04:40:07 PM
Yes it is hilarious what people will get in a tizzy about.Married Daryl Hannah, pretty good pull for such an uggo dude
Exploited maga nitwits for a renewed relevancy, also pretty good
Post by: Dugout DickStone on January 31, 2022, 04:41:32 PM
Yes it is hilarious what people will get in a tizzy about.Married Daryl Hannah, pretty good pull for such an uggo dude
Exploited maga nitwits for a renewed relevancy, also pretty good
Like, Neil Young of all people made rogan fans spin out until they are breathless. What a strange world
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on January 31, 2022, 04:45:35 PM
Oh Alabama
The devil fools
With the best laid plan
Swing low Alabama
You got the spare change
You got to feel strange
And now the moment
Is all that it meant
Alabama, you got
The weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac
Has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
Oh Alabama
Banjos playing
Through the broken glass
Windows down in Alabama
See the old folks
Tied in white robes
Hear the banjo
Don't it take you down home?
Alabama, you got
The weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac
Has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
Oh Alabama
Can I see you
And shake your hand
Make friends down in Alabama
I'm from a new land
I come to you
And see all this ruin
What are you doing Alabama?
You got the rest of the union
To help you along
What's going wrong?
Post by: mocat on January 31, 2022, 05:45:03 PM
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 05:47:02 PM
1. comparing spotify's platform to a concert platform is a little iffy. spotify is incredibly huge. 1.2 MILLION artists have at least 1000 listens. 185,000 have made at least $1,000 bucks. 870 artists have made at least $1,000,000. in that context, where the platform is being shared with more than a million other people (including charles manson!) i think it's a little dubious that "sharing a platform" with Rogan (or anyone else on spotify) is a sign of implicit support. that said, free market, everyone's free to do what they want etc. etc. etc.
2. this isn't censorship in any meaningful sense. someone as big and influential as rogan will always have an outlet.
3. obligatory "i don't listen to rogan" BUT i have listened before. i think back in 2015 or something he had alex jones on and i was pretty excited about that and gave it a listen to hear alex jones be crazy. Rogan's not really my cup of tea, mostly because i scratch my "kind of dumb but charming guy talks about stuff" itch from nate bergatze and church of lazlo podcasts. that said, you don't really have to be a fan or listen to know that rogan is extremely talented at what he does (not that anyone was really disputing that besides dax).
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
Post by: LickNeckey on January 31, 2022, 07:01:25 PM
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 07:22:21 PM
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Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 07:38:34 PM
1. comparing spotify's platform to a concert platform is a little iffy. spotify is incredibly huge. 1.2 MILLION artists have at least 1000 listens. 185,000 have made at least $1,000 bucks. 870 artists have made at least $1,000,000. in that context, where the platform is being shared with more than a million other people (including charles manson!) i think it's a little dubious that "sharing a platform" with Rogan (or anyone else on spotify) is a sign of implicit support. that said, free market, everyone's free to do what they want etc. etc. etc.
Why do you think Young singled out Rogan specifically on Spotify specifically?
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 07:45:30 PM
Because he doesn’t want to share a platform with someone he views as a danger to public health. Isn’t that what he said?
Why do you think Young singled out Rogan specifically on Spotify specifically?
I don’t have a problem with Young doing what he did. Power to him for sticking up for something he believes in. I just think the notion that by having your music on spotify you’re implicitly endorsing Rogan’s vaccine views is a pretty big stretch.
Post by: Cire on January 31, 2022, 07:49:41 PM
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on January 31, 2022, 07:57:06 PM
Yep.Because he doesn’t want to share a platform with someone he views as a danger to public health. Isn’t that what he said?
Why do you think Young singled out Rogan specifically on Spotify specifically?
I don’t have a problem with Young doing what he did. Power to him for sticking up for something he believes in. I just think the notion that by having your music on spotify you’re implicitly endorsing Rogan’s vaccine views is a pretty big stretch.
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Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 07:59:46 PM
Because he doesn’t want to share a platform with someone he views as a danger to public health. Isn’t that what he said?
Why do you think Young singled out Rogan specifically on Spotify specifically?
Do you think that's why he's singling out Spotify and not YouTube? Really?
Post by: _33 on January 31, 2022, 08:06:54 PM
Because he doesn’t want to share a platform with someone he views as a danger to public health. Isn’t that what he said?
Why do you think Young singled out Rogan specifically on Spotify specifically?
Do you think that's why he's singling out Spotify and not YouTube? Really?
idk
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 08:08:00 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 08:09:54 PM
Also, if Young performed a concert where Rogan was the headliner, it wouldn't be an endorsement, either. But Young never said having his music on Spotify was an endorsement of Rogan's dumbass views, only dumbass magas made that leapI kinda made that leap to be fair. But "effectively supporting" is different from "endorsing"
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 08:10:51 PM
Like I said, if Young wants to flip Spotify the middle finger for paying out the ass for being the exclusive home of Rogan’s podcast, great. But the “implicit endorsement” stuff I saw earlier itt seems crazy.
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 08:20:28 PM
You’re right. I misinterpreted what you said. You were speaking about strict financial support, wires got a little crossed.Also, if Young performed a concert where Rogan was the headliner, it wouldn't be an endorsement, either. But Young never said having his music on Spotify was an endorsement of Rogan's dumbass views, only dumbass magas made that leapI kinda made that leap to be fair. But "effectively supporting" is different from "endorsing"
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 08:22:39 PM
Oh because Rogan got a big Spotify deal? I’m not trying to be clever here. Regardless of Rogan’s spotify deal, I still think it’s a stretch. No real life person ever thought Neil Young agreed with Rogan on vaccines because Neil Young’s music happened to be available on Spotify.
Like I said, if Young wants to flip Spotify the middle finger for paying out the ass for being the exclusive home of Rogan’s podcast, great. But the “implicit endorsement” stuff I saw earlier itt seems crazy.
I think you personally made the “implicit endorsement” leap but Young can definitely profit from listeners Rogan brings to Spotify and send listeners of his own to Spotify (and therefore Rogan). Spotify has a vested interest in bringing listeners to Rogan more than anyone else on the platform - he's the headliner and Young is an opening act. IMO it isn't a leap to not want to profit from or support a company that makes a dumbass anti-vaxxer their highest profile and largest investment (by far) or play a festival featuring Rogan.
Also easy to understand that all the artists still on Spotify aren't endorsing Rogan.
Post by: DQ12 on January 31, 2022, 08:26:49 PM
Post by: michigancat on January 31, 2022, 08:27:09 PM
Yeah sorry - our posts were back to back. I didn’t see yours clearing it up before I posted mine going off on:cheers:your idiotic bullshitthe straw man I made up in my dumb Sudafed addled brain.
Feel better
Post by: Institutional Control on January 31, 2022, 08:52:45 PM
He's been actively trying to piss MAGAs off since the 70s. Check out these song lyrics.A little less direct than Southern Man.
Oh Alabama
The devil fools
With the best laid plan
Swing low Alabama
You got the spare change
You got to feel strange
And now the moment
Is all that it meant
Alabama, you got
The weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac
Has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
Oh Alabama
Banjos playing
Through the broken glass
Windows down in Alabama
See the old folks
Tied in white robes
Hear the banjo
Don't it take you down home?
Alabama, you got
The weight on your shoulders
That's breaking your back
Your Cadillac
Has got a wheel in the ditch
And a wheel on the track
Oh Alabama
Can I see you
And shake your hand
Make friends down in Alabama
I'm from a new land
I come to you
And see all this ruin
What are you doing Alabama?
You got the rest of the union
To help you along
What's going wrong?
Southern man, better keep your head
Don't forget what your good book said
Southern change gonna come at last
Now your crosses are burning fast
Southern man
I saw cotton and I saw black
Tall white mansions and little shacks
Southern man, when will you pay them back?
I heard screamin' and bullwhips cracking
How long? How long? How?
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Post by: Kat Kid on January 31, 2022, 09:40:02 PM
One time when Neil was pissed about his record contract and the record company was pissed at him because Neil wanted to release a country album and they told him to make a rock n roll record, so he made a 25 minute rock a billy album.
So I don’t think this Spotify kerfuffle is really about any first principles or first amendment issues I think it is mostly about Neil Young living his entire adult life with an attitude of telling people he doesn’t like to eff themselves and letting the chips fall where they may.
However you feel about Neil, he’ll leave us helpless.
https://open.spotify.com/track/3gQMqeXqiHFCafaTtFnHF8?si=rHzknDq-QtGGi9kE-hHCWA
Post by: MakeItRain on January 31, 2022, 11:33:16 PM
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
Post by: nicname on January 31, 2022, 11:55:23 PM
Pretty well-reasoned response imo.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 02:28:56 AM
I disagree.
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
Post by: mocat on February 01, 2022, 03:48:06 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 04:22:30 AM
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488158473028202496?t=piiC1W1eIG_zhCDLFlhFjA&s=19How much revenue would Eve 6 be bringing in in 2021 if spotify didn't exist? I bought Eve 6's self-titled album (great album btw), and summarily lost it probably 20 years ago. Spotify isn't negotiating directly with Eve 6 because "Eve 6" doesn't own the music. If anyone is the "bad guy" in this scenario, it seems like it's the record label for whatever contract they signed with Eve 6 when the band gave up their music rights way back when.
More generally, it's really easy for artists to look at 1,000,000, 10,000,000, 20,000,000 spotify streams and argue "think of how many albums that equates to, we'd be making a killing!" But it's apples and oranges. With the broad accessibility to everything now (via spotify/youtube/apple/amazon/etc.), it's a lot easier for listeners to find you. And it's a lot easier (and cheaper) for listeners to hear a particular song. Whereas, when people had to actually (1) hear a song on the radio; (2) happen to see a band at a show; or (3) find a band via some other organic/word-of-mouth, and then decide to drop 15/20 bucks on an album -- that made the music world a whole lot smaller and gatekept by a relatively miniscule group of DJs/VJs/Record Execs acting as curators.
I don't know - the model has obviously changed and made touring more imperative for all but a small number of artists, but I do think Spotify (and the accessibility) makes it a lot easier for talented artists to get discovered and make a decent living playing music. And for the listeners (us), it's the invention of the printing press.
Post by: Cire on February 01, 2022, 07:17:29 AM
CDs and digital was mostly for the label
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Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 07:26:15 AM
I was always under the impression that artists only really got paid to tour and sell shirts.i think the artists typically get/got a royalty for actual album sales. though i'm sure it varies depending on the situation.
CDs and digital was mostly for the label
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Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2022, 07:31:26 AM
Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 01, 2022, 07:35:50 AM
sang it like a teenage girl
Post by: IPA4Me on February 01, 2022, 07:41:52 AM
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Post by: chum1 on February 01, 2022, 07:55:24 AM
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488158473028202496
Not disputing that the record label used them for its purposes and then spit them out. On the other hand, they were kinda lucky to be chosen for that. This was not a band that made it on its own. They were a corporate product from the beginning.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 01, 2022, 08:00:12 AM
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2022, 08:04:05 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2022, 08:11:33 AM
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.
Soon enough artists will be able to capture more of the Economics with smart contracts on the blockchain. Probably still several years out from that though.
Post by: chum1 on February 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM
not to divert from the discussion at hand but i don't think that is true at all
The guy signed with a major label at 17. He was very talented. Maybe he could have made it without tons of help from them. But he did get tons of help from them. Thousands of bands would have killed for that opportunity.
Post by: LickNeckey on February 01, 2022, 08:37:57 AM
i guess i was not really considering a hs band that got signed a "corporate product"
i was thinking more of the Lou Pearlman model
Post by: ChiComCat on February 01, 2022, 08:43:15 AM
Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.
A rapper shared an image showing Spotify paying out significantly less per stream than any other service a few weeks ago. I can't vouch for the accuracy, but I think you're right
Post by: catastrophe on February 01, 2022, 08:46:45 AM
Maybe we’re approaching a tipping point where music artists will go the way of video streaming services and you have like a dozen different options for subscriptions depending on which content you like, but either way the age of retiring on the sale of a few mega hit singles is dead.
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 08:49:16 AM
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.
Post by: CNS on February 01, 2022, 09:00:35 AM
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.
I am amazingly ignorant of the music biz. what if I didn't sell the rights to my music, and I own it, and I get 1,000,000 streams a month? Still $3k from spotify, right? Are you saying that they get the $0.003 plus some upfront money from Spotify for the right to play the music?
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 09:02:51 AM
Without Spotify (or streaming) Eve 6 would still be getting radio play and likely be on those compilation albums that were sold on TV back in the day, which would generate money for them and give them the opportunity to tour occasionally. Not saying Spotify isn't good for Eve 6 overall but I don't think it's a given that they are better off because of it.Yeah -- I mean assuming his tweet is more or less an average month, that means Eve 6 is generating ~$36,000/yr via spotify streaming.
Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.
At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify?
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 09:09:44 AM
No - I'm saying the record company (in Eve 6's case, Sony) didn't magically inherit the rights to control/distribute/profit from the music. I don't know the ins and outs either, but I would expect that when Sony (or whoever preceded Sony w/r/t Eve 6) acquired the rights, they gave Eve 6 some sort of payment/deal that resulted in some benefit to eve 6 in exchange for the rights.Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.
I am amazingly ignorant of the music biz. what if I didn't sell the rights to my music, and I own it, and I get 1,000,000 streams a month? Still $3k from spotify, right? Are you saying that they get the $0.003 plus some upfront money from Spotify for the right to play the music?
I don't think, for the average artist, spotify pays any sort of up front sum in order to provide the music on its platform. My understanding is that the record company (or artist or whoever controls the rights) accepts a deal with spotify where spotify is given permission to host the music on their platform and spotify pays a royalty in some amount (between $.003 and .005) per stream.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 01, 2022, 09:21:43 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2022, 09:29:23 AM
At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify?
I don't know if the pool is necessarily larger without spotify. The dollars per artist that "makes it" is probably larger though. But like you said it's harder to "make it" in the old system. It's a really complicated issue.
And in light of this detour I'll reiterate that I don't think it's a stretch for artists to complain about Joe Rogan making 100s of millions peddling bullshit while artists (who really are the foundation of spotify) get crap on for the most part. Also I don't know the tweet, but a lot of artists don't have the power to pull their music off spotify in their current contract situation. Neil's pulling work for a lot of folks.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 01, 2022, 09:33:59 AM
Man, Dax heard that song and decided to move there
You're extremely weird
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 01, 2022, 09:55:32 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 11:25:42 AM
i don't think it's a stretch either. if they want to complain about their value relative to Joe Rogan, they should. the economics are really apples and oranges though.At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify?
I don't know if the pool is necessarily larger without spotify. The dollars per artist that "makes it" is probably larger though. But like you said it's harder to "make it" in the old system. It's a really complicated issue.
And in light of this detour I'll reiterate that I don't think it's a stretch for artists to complain about Joe Rogan making 100s of millions peddling bullshit while artists (who really are the foundation of spotify) get crap on for the most part. Also I don't know the tweet, but a lot of artists don't have the power to pull their music off spotify in their current contract situation. Neil's pulling work for a lot of folks.
Between 1/21 and 1/27, rogan released 4 episodes totaling 12 hours. each episode is averaging 10 million some odd streams. Even if you assume that the average listen is just 50 percent of each episode that's still 60 million streaming hours in less than a week week of people listening to spotify. Spotify's most streamed song ever is Ed Sheeran's shape of you, which is a ~4 minute song that has just north of 3 billion listens (after 5 years), and (generously assuming that each listen is to 100% of the song) equates to about 200,000,000 hours - which Rogan reaches in about a month, every month. In that respect, it's pretty easy to understand why Spotify is giving a king's ransom to Rogan.
Doing some napkin math, let's assume that that .003/stream model equates to spotify's valuation of 3.5 minutes of spotify streaming. That equates to about $0.0515/hour of streaming. Applied to a monthly average of 200,000,000 hours, Rogan would be earning about $10,285,000 per month if he was on a $.003/3.5 minutes deal. and that's not even including the back catalog. all of a sudden, a raw $100 million dollar deal (assuming no other streaming royalties) looks like a pretty good bargain for spotify.
like i said, it's apples and oranges, and there are a lot of assumptions above, but it shows how much raw time people are spending on spotify listening to rogan each week.
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2022, 11:44:29 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2022, 12:03:30 PM
i don't think it's a stretch either. if they want to complain about their value relative to Joe Rogan, they should. the economics are really apples and oranges though.At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify?
I don't know if the pool is necessarily larger without spotify. The dollars per artist that "makes it" is probably larger though. But like you said it's harder to "make it" in the old system. It's a really complicated issue.
And in light of this detour I'll reiterate that I don't think it's a stretch for artists to complain about Joe Rogan making 100s of millions peddling bullshit while artists (who really are the foundation of spotify) get crap on for the most part. Also I don't know the tweet, but a lot of artists don't have the power to pull their music off spotify in their current contract situation. Neil's pulling work for a lot of folks.
Between 1/21 and 1/27, rogan released 4 episodes totaling 12 hours. each episode is averaging 10 million some odd streams. Even if you assume that the average listen is just 50 percent of each episode that's still 60 million streaming hours in less than a week week of people listening to spotify. Spotify's most streamed song ever is Ed Sheeran's shape of you, which is a ~4 minute song that has just north of 3 billion listens (after 5 years), and (generously assuming that each listen is to 100% of the song) equates to about 200,000,000 hours - which Rogan reaches in about a month, every month. In that respect, it's pretty easy to understand why Spotify is giving a king's ransom to Rogan.
Doing some napkin math, let's assume that that .003/stream model equates to spotify's valuation of 3.5 minutes of spotify streaming. That equates to about $0.0515/hour of streaming. Applied to a monthly average of 200,000,000 hours, Rogan would be earning about $10,285,000 per month if he was on a $.003/3.5 minutes deal. and that's not even including the back catalog. all of a sudden, a raw $100 million dollar deal (assuming no other streaming royalties) looks like a pretty good bargain for spotify.
like i said, it's apples and oranges, and there are a lot of assumptions above, but it shows how much raw time people are spending on spotify listening to rogan each week.
yeah pretty interesting numbers. Rogan also has the freedom to negotiate rates directly with spotify, which I doubt many (if any) musicians can do due to historical distribution deals and infrastructure.
Post by: Kat Kid on February 01, 2022, 12:04:31 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 12:06:20 PM
Rogan also sells ads in the middle of his podcast which most musical artists don’t do.could be a profitable new revenue stream in the post-album music age
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2022, 12:14:53 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2022, 12:28:08 PM
Rogan also sells ads in the middle of his podcast which most musical artists don’t do.
Does he? He used to have them loaded at the start and it was easy to skip past them. I can't remember if there are still ads since the move to spotify but I'm leaning towards no?
Post by: MakeItRain on February 01, 2022, 01:18:20 PM
I disagree.
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
They pay their artists significantly less than all the streaming services for no other reason other than they can. I think maximizing corporate profits at the expense of artists is the pinnacle of greed.
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2022, 01:19:21 PM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 01, 2022, 01:31:02 PM
Rogan also sells ads in the middle of his podcast which most musical artists don’t do.Pretty common theme for most of the podcasts I listen to.
Post by: catastrophe on February 01, 2022, 01:33:15 PM
Disclaimer: I haven’t thoroughly researched all available streaming services.I disagree.
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
They pay their artists significantly less than all the streaming services for no other reason other than they can. I think maximizing corporate profits at the expense of artists is the pinnacle of greed.
However, my impression was that Spotify “can” pay less to artists because it’s the most used app, and that it’s the most used app because it has the widest available amount of free content. I don’t think it’s fair to characterize Spotify as greedier than any other major app.
Their model is just different. I can think of any other platform that has even close to the same variety of free music, which obviously the artists are effectively subsidizing in this case for the sake of consumers.
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2022, 01:38:56 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2022, 01:49:22 PM
I still buy whole albums on CD whenever possible. Very ethical.
I buy cassettes or LP's AND stream on spotify. I'm really the ethicalest
Post by: DQ12 on February 01, 2022, 01:54:48 PM
they pay their artists less because that's the deal they've negotiated with the artists/label and have been able to "sustain" (while, not for nothing, never having turned a profit). it sucks that a lot of artists aren't really in control of their music, but if someone (i.e. the label) is making a "bad" deal with spotify on the artist's behalf, then i'd place the primary blame on the label who made the bad deal -- not on spotify who apparently made an awesome deal.I disagree.
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
They pay their artists significantly less than all the streaming services for no other reason other than they can. I think maximizing corporate profits at the expense of artists is the pinnacle of greed.
theoretically, i'm not even sure what a fair value for a stream is. if spotify matched Amazon's .004/stream, is that fair? Apple's 0.007? fwiw, youtube has a music streaming service that pays out .002. Pandora's at .0013.
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2022, 02:03:54 PM
I still buy whole albums on CD whenever possible. Very ethical.
I buy cassettes or LP's AND stream on spotify. I'm really the ethicalest
I've bought some records too that come with free downloads, and I've only listened to the download as I still have to eventually buy a non-toy record player. And I've used the amazon spotify thing during the summers on the boat but find I pretty much only listen to stuff I've bought hard copies of anyway.
Post by: nicname on February 01, 2022, 02:05:21 PM
I still buy whole albums on CD whenever possible. Very ethical.
And buy the cd (along w T-shirt) at the show as often as possible!
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2022, 02:10:09 PM
I still buy whole albums on CD whenever possible. Very ethical.
And buy the cd (along w T-shirt) at the show as often as possible!
:thumbs:
Post by: Trim on February 01, 2022, 04:00:08 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 01, 2022, 04:00:39 PM
Disclaimer: I haven’t thoroughly researched all available streaming services.
However, my impression was that Spotify “can” pay less to artists because it’s the most used app, and that it’s the most used app because it has the widest available amount of free content. I don’t think it’s fair to characterize Spotify as greedier than any other major app.
Their model is just different. I can think of any other platform that has even close to the same variety of free music, which obviously the artists are effectively subsidizing in this case for the sake of consumers.
they pay their artists less because that's the deal they've negotiated with the artists/label and have been able to "sustain" (while, not for nothing, never having turned a profit). it sucks that a lot of artists aren't really in control of their music, but if someone (i.e. the label) is making a "bad" deal with spotify on the artist's behalf, then i'd place the primary blame on the label who made the bad deal -- not on spotify who apparently made an awesome deal.
theoretically, i'm not even sure what a fair value for a stream is. if spotify matched Amazon's .004/stream, is that fair? Apple's 0.007? fwiw, youtube has a music streaming service that pays out .002. Pandora's at .0013.
Like I said Spotify made a conscious choice to low-ball artists for their music.
Miss me with the never turned a profit line. They are a publicly traded company. At the time of their IPO launch they were at $36 a share, today they closed at $203.62.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 01, 2022, 04:02:01 PM
I still buy whole albums on CD whenever possible. Very ethical.Me too, precisely the reason I haven't heard a new Kanye West album in over a decade.
Post by: sys on February 01, 2022, 05:42:08 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 01, 2022, 05:58:43 PM
don't know crap about spotify (obviously), but i heard some dude on the radio last night talking about how they're moving into podcasts as the future of their business. like way moreso than music.
This was posted on another bbs
Spotify as a music streaming platform, which was its legacy use case and business model, was wildly succesful and cool.
But as it grew, due to having to pay out performers/royalties, it's gross margins plateaud at 25% (again, artist royalties are variable costs that scale every time more people use the product (listen to music).
Branching out into podcasts helps the business grow because Spotify is building a dynamic audio ad marketplace. By doing this, Spotify’s gross margins can get up 40%
Post by: wetwillie on February 01, 2022, 06:16:24 PM
Post by: nicname on February 01, 2022, 07:39:38 PM
https://youtu.be/Z-AEmqvyikM
Post by: Katpappy on February 01, 2022, 08:14:19 PM
they pay their artists less because that's the deal they've negotiated with the artists/label and have been able to "sustain" (while, not for nothing, never having turned a profit). it sucks that a lot of artists aren't really in control of their music, but if someone (i.e. the label) is making a "bad" deal with spotify on the artist's behalf, then i'd place the primary blame on the label who made the bad deal -- not on spotify who apparently made an awesome deal.I disagree.
4. apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music. completely revolutionary. the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips. what a world.
They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
They pay their artists significantly less than all the streaming services for no other reason other than they can. I think maximizing corporate profits at the expense of artists is the pinnacle of greed.
theoretically, i'm not even sure what a fair value for a stream is. if spotify matched Amazon's .004/stream, is that fair? Apple's 0.007? fwiw, youtube has a music streaming service that pays out .002. Pandora's at .0013.
The thing that hasn't been said is the artists/labels have deals with most of these formats and therefore collect from them the contracted streaming fees.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 01, 2022, 10:23:47 PM
I remember Neil playing the closing ceremonies and thinking "goddam that's great" and was worried maybe I misremembered it being great so fired it up again and definitely got goosebumps:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqZ78msr3d8
dude's a damn legend
Definitely a badass.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6vp1EMnqho
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 02, 2022, 06:15:10 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 02, 2022, 07:41:42 AM
Artists have been getting “mumped over” since forever. I don’t think that’s new with Spotify. And I don’t think Spotify is the party really responsible for the rough ridin' over. Spotify is just offering royalty deals to the rights holders in exchange for hosting the music on the platform. I have a hard time finding a reason why Spotify and not [whoever owns the rights] is the bad actor - assuming there’s a bad actor here.
Unless I’m missing something in how this all works that makes the transactions much shadier than I think (eg some price fixing anti trust crap), I just have a hard time morally fingerwagging Spotify for acquiring the music for as cheaply as they can - as a for profit company, that’s kind of what they’re supposed to do.
Plus I’m biased because I legitimately love their product.
Post by: mocat on February 02, 2022, 08:16:11 AM
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488158473028202496?t=piiC1W1eIG_zhCDLFlhFjA&s=19
i should have included the word THREAD when i posted this, fyi
Post by: _33 on February 02, 2022, 08:58:21 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 02, 2022, 09:08:46 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 02, 2022, 09:17:10 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5DOGsoiW6c
and a lot of folks know this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sF5O0qH4LLQ
and this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TB_g3KYs2QM
and MAYBE this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BSMv0_N_YgI
Post by: ChiComCat on February 02, 2022, 09:26:04 AM
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 02, 2022, 09:29:13 AM
Eve 6 is a better twitter follow than band
Damn, you just put his tender heart in a blender.
Post by: Trim on February 02, 2022, 09:29:27 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 02, 2022, 09:29:52 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXqXUmiaiOE
Post by: DQ12 on February 02, 2022, 09:30:54 AM
(https://i.imgur.com/l0q8xEO_d.webp?maxwidth=640&shape=thumb&fidelity=medium)Really great album. Open Road Song is a poetic masterpiece, with insightful and helpful lyrics like "This is The Open Road Song."
Post by: SkinnyBenny on February 02, 2022, 09:34:04 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 02, 2022, 09:35:19 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 02, 2022, 09:36:55 AM
Post by: bucket on February 02, 2022, 09:37:22 AM
Dlew did you buy all those Eve6 albums?
Did you watch them perform in Aggieville for New Years?
Post by: catastrophe on February 02, 2022, 09:38:45 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 02, 2022, 09:40:03 AM
I've never heard any of these songs, but in solidarity with Eve6 I vow to never listen to their music on a streaming service. Who dares join me?https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488897511636959234?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet Can't spell spotify without spy :sdeek:
Post by: star seed 7 on February 02, 2022, 09:41:31 AM
Post by: wetwillie on February 02, 2022, 09:53:56 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 02, 2022, 10:06:48 AM
I've never heard any of these songs
I don't believe you
Post by: star seed 7 on February 02, 2022, 10:19:11 AM
I've never heard any of these songs
I don't believe you
OK, I will consede that it's likely I have heard one of those songs at some point in my life so I'll qualify my statement that none of those songs sound familiar.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 02, 2022, 10:19:24 AM
Post by: Cire on February 02, 2022, 10:34:09 AM
I've never heard any of these songs, but in solidarity with Eve6 I vow to never listen to their music on a streaming service. Who dares join me?Done.
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Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2022, 10:44:39 AM
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 02, 2022, 10:55:03 AM
I've never heard any of these songs, but in solidarity with Eve6 I vow to never listen to their music on a streaming service. Who dares join me?
you have said so many things over the years on this blog that indicates you were very much alive and aware of your surroundings in the late 90s/early 00s that i refuse to believe this. That would be right up there with trying to claim you never heard any song by chumbawumba
Post by: star seed 7 on February 02, 2022, 11:00:43 AM
Post by: chum1 on February 02, 2022, 11:01:20 AM
Post by: Institutional Control on February 02, 2022, 11:46:45 AM
Post by: DQ12 on February 02, 2022, 11:48:30 AM
Dlew did you buy all those Eve6 albums?Only the self titled. May have been the first cd I ever got.
Post by: passranch on February 02, 2022, 01:49:38 PM
I don't know what Adam Levine did to get this shot from left field by too cool for school lib7.
Yeah that was a really low blow. Not cool.
Post by: sys on February 02, 2022, 05:20:14 PM
I'm aware of the name.
i'd never heard of the name either. :cool:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 03, 2022, 12:02:54 AM
I've never heard any of these songs
I don't believe you
I've only heard of Here's To The Night, it's a great song tho.
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2022, 01:20:32 PM
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2022, 01:27:49 PM
The answer to the OP is now apparently saying racist stuff 70+ times?The op premise that no one ever said why they didn't like Joe Rogan is pretty amazing
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2022, 01:30:10 PM
The answer to the OP is now apparently saying racist stuff 70+ times?Also LMAO when he starts listing reasons he used the n-word. So amazing, why do so many turds worship this loser
https://twitter.com/PopCrave/status/1489953221997178880
Post by: Spracne on February 05, 2022, 01:31:42 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2022, 01:32:18 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 05, 2022, 02:29:09 PM
Sad
Post by: catastrophe on February 05, 2022, 03:29:59 PM
Post by: michigancat on February 05, 2022, 04:06:15 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 05, 2022, 04:19:41 PM
Post by: Cire on February 05, 2022, 05:04:27 PM
Kind of surprised Spotify didn’t do due diligence on episodes it migrated, or maybe they did and that’s how they knew which episodes to take downThey didn’t gaf
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Post by: stunted on February 05, 2022, 08:02:20 PM
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2022, 08:22:11 PM
I don’t really want to not like Joe :frown:
good news, you can just like him if you want
Post by: steve dave on February 05, 2022, 08:33:02 PM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
:sdeek:
Post by: MakeItRain on February 05, 2022, 10:07:08 PM
This man finna get canceled
Shiiiiiitttt. If Morgan Wallen didn't get cancelled, Joe Rogan sure in the eff won't. There's far too many people who think he should say n-word whenever he wants to.
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 12:00:12 AM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 12:07:25 AM
https://twitter.com/mistergeezy/status/1488904386185150465
Post by: Katpappy on February 06, 2022, 05:47:01 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2022, 07:56:28 AM
I don’t listen to Joe Rogan. So if Spotify cancels him I couldn’t possibly care less.Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
Why TF do you think I’m going to defend that idiot?
It’s an extremely sad commentary on our society when no talent hacks like Joe Rogan achieve that level of fame.
That’s why I’m pissed that #blueanon is giving the dude millions of dollars of free publicity. He’ll end up somewhere else and dumb people will continue to pay attention to him.
Post by: Cire on February 06, 2022, 07:56:29 AM
https://www.facebook.com/100044624160403/posts/469239004573568/?d=n
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 12:42:09 PM
I don’t listen to Joe Rogan. So if Spotify cancels him I couldn’t possibly care less.Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
Why TF do you think I’m going to defend that idiot?
It’s an extremely sad commentary on our society when no talent hacks like Joe Rogan achieve that level of fame.
That’s why I’m pissed that #blueanon is giving the dude millions of dollars of free publicity. He’ll end up somewhere else and dumb people will continue to pay attention to him.
I'm surprised you aren't defending him because you are a contrarian. You'll argue that it's not cold in South Dakota in the winter. Even in your nondefense you're arguing that the language and behavior he's displaying in those clips should simply be ignored.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2022, 12:50:00 PM
Classic and 100% on brand MIR
I simply ask again, why would I want to defend someone that I wish would just go away and that millions of dipshits keep giving all kinds of publicity to?
I don't like Joe Rogan . . . how many times does that have to be said?
Damn
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 12:55:13 PM
Only you would have the bullshit take that I would defend that.
Classic and 100% on brand MIR
I simply ask again, why would I want to defend someone that I wish would just go away and that millions of dipshits keep giving all kinds of publicity to?
I don't like Joe Rogan . . . how many times does that have to be said?
Damn
Something get lost in translation here? Did I stroke out and make my last post in Mandarin thinking it was English? Or is dax doing his likes to argue guy again?
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2022, 01:06:12 PM
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2022, 01:13:47 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2022, 01:44:39 PM
I'm not monitoring Twitter 24/7/365 like you guys (specifically Chum). When I made my post about idiots giving Rogan free publicity, I hadn't seen any of the stuff on Twitter about using the N-Word.
But :lol: :lol: anyone expect me to say something about a dude I don't like and wish had never reached the level of notoriety that he has is 1000% on brand for #blueanonGe.
What part of: I wish Joe Rogan would go away and was never a somebody - is confusing to you people?
Post by: Trim on February 06, 2022, 02:42:53 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2022, 02:43:55 PM
Post by: Kat Kid on February 06, 2022, 03:20:03 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2022, 04:02:33 PM
I'm not defending Joe Rogan, I just think he and everyone else should be able to say the N-word. Also, I love to listen to Joe Rogan almost as much as I love Vlad Putin. -daxbotanon
You are blowing massive chunks of crap out of your keyboard today (as usual).
I have never defended Joe Rogan, and I've said in this thread a long time ago that I think he completely sucks and I hate that dipshits like you have made him popular.
Please stick to low IQ Twitter parroting and stop sucking.
Thanks
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 06, 2022, 06:36:45 PM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
:lol: (ftp://:lol:)
Not only are you incredibly dense but your comprehension is horrible. I have posted about race (you specifically) because you're a bigot and you think you can use slurs because you're black. You have called people coons or crackers almost every week that you post here and I find it appalling. I also find it appalling that Joe has used that slur but I haven't read this thread that much because I don't care for Rogan in general.
You have called me racist and accused me of using slurs when I have never done such a thing or would I as my 2000 posts would prove. You on the other hand are the biggest bigot on this board and I could prove that quite easily. Your rhetoric is so tiring. I think Dax, Wacks or Yla would agree with me but I'll let them handle that. You call them racist just because they disagree with you.. so weak.
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2022, 06:53:05 PM
Post by: chum1 on February 06, 2022, 07:18:43 PM
Post by: Trim on February 06, 2022, 08:36:37 PM
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
No way does "not calling MIR out on his bigotry" even make the top 3 of things this board does best.
Post by: star seed 7 on February 06, 2022, 08:51:49 PM
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
No way does "not calling MIR out on his bigotry" even make the top 3 of things this board does best.
Lol
Post by: mocat on February 06, 2022, 09:04:32 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 10:08:39 PM
:lol: :lol: only someone like Chum would believe I'm defending Joe Rogan.
I'm not monitoring Twitter 24/7/365 like you guys (specifically Chum). When I made my post about idiots giving Rogan free publicity, I hadn't seen any of the stuff on Twitter about using the N-Word.
So my post, that you responded to with examples of him doing so, you didn't feel compelled to click play on any of the three before arguing with me about it?
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/5pTRy8Q67nOOA/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952055eefa29cd6995cb2d5f62e452916121a7e95ac&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
Post by: MakeItRain on February 06, 2022, 10:20:07 PM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
:lol: (ftp://:lol:)
Not only are you incredibly dense but your comprehension is horrible. I have posted about race (you specifically) because you're a bigot and you think you can use slurs because you're black. You have called people coons or crackers almost every week that you post here and I find it appalling. I also find it appalling that Joe has used that slur but I haven't read this thread that much because I don't care for Rogan in general.
You have called me racist and accused me of using slurs when I have never done such a thing or would I as my 2000 posts would prove. You on the other hand are the biggest bigot on this board and I could prove that quite easily. Your rhetoric is so tiring. I think Dax, Wacks or Yla would agree with me but I'll let them handle that. You call them racist just because they disagree with you.. so weak.
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
Let's be very clear with something, I did not call yla or wacky racist, for the second time, I included them because they are contrarians on this board. I included you, because you are an unabashed racist.
The board doesn't call me out on my bigotry, because the board doesn't think I'm a bigot, it's not really complicated. Are you sad I called that disgrace to black people, zuby or whatever the eff his name is, a coon, on twitter? I haven't called someone that on here in a long time. Only baby crap soft white people, normally racists, care about someone else being called a cracker. I learned that from a white man, it's hilarious and I'll continue to use it. Thanks my guy.
Post by: catastrophe on February 06, 2022, 10:35:38 PM
Only baby crap soft white people, normally racists, care about someone else being called a cracker.
This has 100% been my experience as a white male.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 06, 2022, 11:49:09 PM
Why do I want to argue about someone that I have never liked? You’re whole stupid schtick is that I was a supporter who now apparently needs to both be reformed and to speak out about Joe Rogan, a known idiot, saying stupid things.:lol: :lol: only someone like Chum would believe I'm defending Joe Rogan.
I'm not monitoring Twitter 24/7/365 like you guys (specifically Chum). When I made my post about idiots giving Rogan free publicity, I hadn't seen any of the stuff on Twitter about using the N-Word.
So my post, that you responded to with examples of him doing so, you didn't feel compelled to click play on any of the three before arguing with me about it?
(https://media4.giphy.com/media/5pTRy8Q67nOOA/giphy.webp?cid=6c09b952055eefa29cd6995cb2d5f62e452916121a7e95ac&rid=giphy.webp&ct=g)
All of which is so very weird. Because I’ve always thought Joe Rogan was a low IQ dumbass, tailor made for low IQ people. So it’s not the least bit surprising that Joe Rogan has said stupid things.
Just be honest for once. You want me to speak out about this known dumbass. Because when I bring up the the perpetual lunacy of #blueanon/ProgFascists who just happen to be a POC, you think I’m being racist. Because your entire world view is based on skin color and race. When for me, I’m just talking about #blueanon/ ProgFascist lunatics.
It could be little twerps like Jake “war monger” Sullivan, or a Kstreet stooge like Jen Psaki or a mask less Stacy Abrams taking a picture with little kids all wearing masks, or Gav “French Laundry” Newsom mask less at Sofi or #blueanon LA Mayor Eric “breathless” Garcetti, or the shitshow clown POTUS. It’s all the same to me when it comes to #blueanon. Skin color is immaterial. Give it a try, for once.
Post by: I_have_purplewood on February 07, 2022, 09:31:45 AM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
:lol: (ftp://:lol:)
Not only are you incredibly dense but your comprehension is horrible. I have posted about race (you specifically) because you're a bigot and you think you can use slurs because you're black. You have called people coons or crackers almost every week that you post here and I find it appalling. I also find it appalling that Joe has used that slur but I haven't read this thread that much because I don't care for Rogan in general.
You have called me racist and accused me of using slurs when I have never done such a thing or would I as my 2000 posts would prove. You on the other hand are the biggest bigot on this board and I could prove that quite easily. Your rhetoric is so tiring. I think Dax, Wacks or Yla would agree with me but I'll let them handle that. You call them racist just because they disagree with you.. so weak.
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
Let's be very clear with something, I did not call yla or wacky racist, for the second time, I included them because they are contrarians on this board. I included you, because you are an unabashed racist.
The board doesn't call me out on my bigotry, because the board doesn't think I'm a bigot, it's not really complicated. Are you sad I called that disgrace to black people, zuby or whatever the eff his name is, a coon, on twitter? I haven't called someone that on here in a long time. Only baby crap soft white people, normally racists, care about someone else being called a cracker. I learned that from a white man, it's hilarious and I'll continue to use it. Thanks my guy.
For the millionth time, just because I call you out for your double standards and bigotry doesn't make me racist. Find any post where I come remotely close to doing so. And standing up for the police or posting about someone being ignorant as hell on holocaust also doesn't make me racist. Quit painting crap with such a broad brush.
The board doesn't call you out because they're weak and they know all it would do is make you :angry: :curse: :angry: (ftp://:angry: :curse: :angry:) and then you would start calling them racist, you're same old boring schtick. You hate the white man, we get it (see how easy that is?) I at least give kudos to Katdaddy (at the top of this thread) who actually has come as close to anyone to do so.
And you are now proud that you haven't called someone a coon or an Uncle Tom in awhile? :lol: :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol: :lol:). Holy crap bro. We've covered the cracker thing to death. It's funny, I get it, just like Jap huh? I wouldn't get offended if anyone threw it at me so you keep on keeping on with that.
Post by: BIG APPLE CAT on February 07, 2022, 09:45:03 AM
Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 07, 2022, 09:53:21 AM
Not sure how exactly I got lumped into this?Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
Post by: steve dave on February 07, 2022, 10:37:39 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 07, 2022, 10:40:54 AM
To review
I see lots of people mad at him but no one ever says why. Is it COVID stuff?
LMAO
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2022, 11:02:10 AM
Then we'll get even more clips of bad interviewing of the occasional interesting person.
Post by: chum1 on February 07, 2022, 11:06:26 AM
Post by: Tobias on February 07, 2022, 11:10:47 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2022, 11:12:59 AM
Dax is getting very upset about no longer being able to hear Rogan and his guests say the n-word for free.
chum is trying to deflect away from the fact that he's upset that he, as a very low IQ person probably won't be able to listen to another low IQ person on Spotify anymore.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2022, 02:50:38 PM
Don't worry #blueanonGe. Joe will likely just go to his own website, start his own subscription service, charge a few bucks a month, have thousands upon thousands sign on the back of all the free publicity he's getting and just cut out the middleman.
Then we'll get even more clips of bad interviewing of the occasional interesting person.
and the grift goes on
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2022, 05:05:22 PM
Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
:lol: (ftp://:lol:)
Not only are you incredibly dense but your comprehension is horrible. I have posted about race (you specifically) because you're a bigot and you think you can use slurs because you're black. You have called people coons or crackers almost every week that you post here and I find it appalling. I also find it appalling that Joe has used that slur but I haven't read this thread that much because I don't care for Rogan in general.
You have called me racist and accused me of using slurs when I have never done such a thing or would I as my 2000 posts would prove. You on the other hand are the biggest bigot on this board and I could prove that quite easily. Your rhetoric is so tiring. I think Dax, Wacks or Yla would agree with me but I'll let them handle that. You call them racist just because they disagree with you.. so weak.
I also think it's a joke that people on this board continue not to call you out on your bigotry but that's what this board does best.
Let's be very clear with something, I did not call yla or wacky racist, for the second time, I included them because they are contrarians on this board. I included you, because you are an unabashed racist.
The board doesn't call me out on my bigotry, because the board doesn't think I'm a bigot, it's not really complicated. Are you sad I called that disgrace to black people, zuby or whatever the eff his name is, a coon, on twitter? I haven't called someone that on here in a long time. Only baby crap soft white people, normally racists, care about someone else being called a cracker. I learned that from a white man, it's hilarious and I'll continue to use it. Thanks my guy.
For the millionth time, just because I call you out for your double standards and bigotry doesn't make me racist. Find any post where I come remotely close to doing so. And standing up for the police or posting about someone being ignorant as hell on holocaust also doesn't make me racist. Quit painting crap with such a broad brush.
The board doesn't call you out because they're weak and they know all it would do is make you :angry: :curse: :angry: (ftp://:angry: :curse: :angry:) and then you would start calling them racist, you're same old boring schtick. You hate the white man, we get it (see how easy that is?) I at least give kudos to Katdaddy (at the top of this thread) who actually has come as close to anyone to do so.
And you are now proud that you haven't called someone a coon or an Uncle Tom in awhile? :lol: :lol: :lol: (ftp://:lol: :lol: :lol:). Holy crap bro. We've covered the cracker thing to death. It's funny, I get it, just like Jap huh? I wouldn't get offended if anyone threw it at me so you keep on keeping on with that.
You don't read well. I called someone a coon on Saturday night, it was dead on the nose. I mean look at this bullshit. You 100% retweeted it.
https://twitter.com/ZubyMusic/status/1490039077248327680
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2022, 05:07:56 PM
Not sure how exactly I got lumped into this?Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
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I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
You've taken the role as a both sides'r and I'm wondering if there's a both sides of this issue I'm missing.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2022, 05:10:04 PM
Post by: Cire on February 08, 2022, 05:49:33 AM
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1487839516924661763?s=21
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on February 08, 2022, 07:57:54 AM
Guess I’m just not as closed minded as some people. I just watched that video finally and that’s just awkward as hell. I don’t understand how his podcasts are so damn long and people listen to it all. Ain’t nobody got time for thatNot sure how exactly I got lumped into this?Congrats to Joe. Millions upon millions of dollars of free publicity. Perfectly set up for the next landing spot because #blueanon just can’t help themselves and their dictatorial hyper control freak ways.
Sad
I want dax, wacky, yla, or that one dude who only posts about race to defend this. I'm all about context. I don't think white people should use the word but I'm not gonna get offended when someone is singing song lyrics. The problem is when famous white people like Riley Cooper, Morgan Wallen, or now Joe Rogan use the word they always seem to use the worst context. When I heard this I thought the dude would be quoting Chappelle's Show or CB4 or some crap, nope. Just having a laugh about racism with his white friend. Also not that Greg Fitzsimmons was really famous, but he's mumped.
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490149811890311169
https://twitter.com/patriottakes/status/1490182053547200513
Also it's very obvious these dudes never had a conversation about black people about this. Latinos who identify as black use it, same as people with middle eastern descent. Again, like with COVID, he's trying to sound smart but he sounds like a dumbfuck. Too many people around him telling him yes and swinging from his dick
You've taken the role as a both sides'r and I'm wondering if there's a both sides of this issue I'm missing.
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Post by: IPA4Me on February 08, 2022, 08:00:32 AM
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2022, 08:02:25 AM
And now we get the why rogan conspiracy...I might have missed it but was Neil Young mentioned?
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 08:36:20 AM
A career that should have ended at Fear Factor is now going to end up making this no talent a near billionaire/billionaire.
https://twitter.com/ggreenwald/status/1491054584919621634?s=21
But we are a nation that turned a sex vid making C-list family of vapid consumers into billionaires. So just hold our beer I suppose.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2022, 08:40:27 AM
And now we get the why rogan conspiracy...I might have missed it but was Neil Young mentioned?
https://twitter.com/wokal_distance/status/1490220423270699009
No, and I wouldn't expect any of the people laughing at Neil Young for actually sticking to his principles against Spotify to ever mention that he won, either.
Post by: catastrophe on February 08, 2022, 08:42:02 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on February 08, 2022, 08:45:25 AM
Post by: michigancat on February 08, 2022, 08:51:46 AM
Rumble is like the maga youtube, I very much doubt they could afford to pay RoganI don't know, it seems legit. Pretty sure it's standard practice to offer hundred million dollar contracts via open letter?
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 08, 2022, 08:56:05 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 09:03:41 AM
Post by: steve dave on February 08, 2022, 09:09:19 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 08, 2022, 09:13:20 AM
the joe rogan to maga youtube would be a win for everyone I think. joe gets $100m and a pass to say slurs and anti-science stuff. maga's get their new biggest celebrity, kicking like roseanne or james woods or kid rock or whoever is currently #1 down a peg. whiny hippies get to say they won. loyal spotify users (the heroes in this story) get to continue using spotify with no worry of it being crappier based on this crap. I guess the downside could be rogan listeners (clearly morons) could be even more exposed to crazy maga stuff but honestly that's probably happening in other areas already so there's probably no saving them.
(over 4 years) is the reason he won't. Rumble doesn't have the money and rogan loves the spotify money. That is why he majorly bitched out like a jellyfish and took down 70+ episodes.
But your scenario is the best for everyone.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 09:16:17 AM
I think it’s definitely fair to say that, at least at some point, Joe is/was pretty rough ridin' racist. But calling him no talent is just stupid.
1000% on brand that you think Joe Rogan is talented.
Post by: Trim on February 08, 2022, 09:16:55 AM
But we are a nation that turned a sex vid making C-list family of vapid consumers into billionaires. So just hold our beer I suppose.
We?
Dax, why do you not follow Kim Kardashian?(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190126/8d95f55f4618e7eee37678eda7679926.jpg)
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Ok, good. Glad you brought her back into the fold.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 09:26:40 AM
But I will happily take the moniker of being the collective thought leader and cash money generator for our nation.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 08, 2022, 09:29:14 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 09:30:47 AM
Is that how #blueanonGe operates? You only follow people that you like, are fans of and agree with?
Very very weird if so, but not surprising.
Post by: IPA4Me on February 08, 2022, 09:33:34 AM
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 09:36:13 AM
But it does seem to be offset by the fact that #blueanonGe is my go to for all things MAGA, Alex Jones, conservative talk radio and all things in between in the realm of that swim lane.
Post by: catastrophe on February 08, 2022, 09:52:58 AM
What brand is that?I think it’s definitely fair to say that, at least at some point, Joe is/was pretty rough ridin' racist. But calling him no talent is just stupid.
1000% on brand that you think Joe Rogan is talented.
Post by: nicname on February 08, 2022, 10:39:26 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 08, 2022, 12:11:39 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2022, 01:58:59 PM
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
Post by: Cire on February 08, 2022, 06:31:48 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sourcesCensorship!
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
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Post by: Justwin on February 08, 2022, 06:45:18 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sources
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
I'm sorry, but that's not what the article says.
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2022, 06:54:03 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sources
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
I'm sorry, but that's not what the article says.
I mean I read it it and the board didn’t want to sign the deal with Spotify
Post by: Justwin on February 08, 2022, 06:56:40 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sources
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
I'm sorry, but that's not what the article says.
I mean I read it it and the board didn’t want to sign the deal with Spotify
Where does it say that?
Post by: wetwillie on February 08, 2022, 07:04:44 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sources
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
I'm sorry, but that's not what the article says.
I mean I read it it and the board didn’t want to sign the deal with Spotify
Where does it say that?
The agreement with Spotify was seen as the last straw, sources said.
Reverter had played a fundamental role in negotiations with the Swedish company, but he was unhappy with the final terms of the deal, many of which had been revised at the last minute.
Post by: Justwin on February 08, 2022, 07:07:39 PM
https://www.espnfc.com/barcelona-espbarcelona/story/4589011/barcelonas-spotify-deallaporta-disagreements-among-ceo-ferran-reverters-exit-sources
tl:dr
The CEO of FC Barcelona was forced out because he was about to close on a Spotify deal, the president and the board didn't want to be associated with Spotify.
I'm sorry, but that's not what the article says.
I mean I read it it and the board didn’t want to sign the deal with Spotify
Where does it say that?
The agreement with Spotify was seen as the last straw, sources said.
Reverter had played a fundamental role in negotiations with the Swedish company, but he was unhappy with the final terms of the deal, many of which had been revised at the last minute.
So what final terms do you think Reverter was unhappy with?
Post by: Cire on February 08, 2022, 08:46:05 PM
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Post by: CNS on February 09, 2022, 11:50:58 AM
https://twitter.com/theonion/status/1491052959412674568?s=21
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LOL
Post by: Cire on February 09, 2022, 09:51:05 PM
I’ll go first
Chrome
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Post by: CHONGS on February 09, 2022, 09:53:18 PM
Post by: nicname on February 09, 2022, 10:07:57 PM
Post by: DQ12 on February 09, 2022, 11:15:52 PM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 10, 2022, 11:26:27 AM
I’m also an untalented podcaster. Where’s my 100 million clams :curse:
I will listen to your podcast, what is it called?
Post by: star seed 7 on February 10, 2022, 11:38:44 AM
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 10, 2022, 11:39:45 AM
I bet DQ could book Jordan Peterson
I bet I could and I don’t have a podcast
Post by: DQ12 on February 10, 2022, 12:37:29 PM
Me and csourk/CAS do “the shortside option” - @TSSO_PodcastI’m also an untalented podcaster. Where’s my 100 million clams :curse:
I will listen to your podcast, what is it called?
We work tirelessly to put out about 10 or so episodes per year (during fb season).
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 10, 2022, 01:06:23 PM
Post by: IPA4Me on February 16, 2022, 07:00:24 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1493626256478199812?t=5sqBDhMYShFfrgtvs6Xs0g&s=19
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Post by: bucket on February 16, 2022, 07:12:13 AM
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1493626256478199812?t=5sqBDhMYShFfrgtvs6Xs0g&s=19
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Quote
Although his complete catalog list isn't available on the streaming website, Wonderwall notes that Young's music from "soundtracks or other events that featured him but were released by other entities" are still on his page. For example, the outlet notes that his "Heart of Gold" song is there due to the "Eat, Pray, Love" soundtrack.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/neil-young-music-quietly-returns-spotify-joe-rogan-protest
I thought I saw a tweet yesterday stating that some of his music is still up because he doesn't own the rights to it.
Post by: IPA4Me on February 16, 2022, 07:13:30 AM
Guess this explains why Taylor Swift hasn't thrown a fit.
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1493626256478199812?t=5sqBDhMYShFfrgtvs6Xs0g&s=19
Sent from my moto g power using TapatalkQuoteAlthough his complete catalog list isn't available on the streaming website, Wonderwall notes that Young's music from "soundtracks or other events that featured him but were released by other entities" are still on his page. For example, the outlet notes that his "Heart of Gold" song is there due to the "Eat, Pray, Love" soundtrack.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/neil-young-music-quietly-returns-spotify-joe-rogan-protest
I thought I saw a tweet yesterday stating that some of his music is still up because he doesn't own the rights to it.
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Post by: MakeItRain on February 16, 2022, 12:36:14 PM
Guess this explains why Taylor Swift hasn't thrown a fit.
https://twitter.com/RobSchneider/status/1493626256478199812?t=5sqBDhMYShFfrgtvs6Xs0g&s=19
Sent from my moto g power using TapatalkQuoteAlthough his complete catalog list isn't available on the streaming website, Wonderwall notes that Young's music from "soundtracks or other events that featured him but were released by other entities" are still on his page. For example, the outlet notes that his "Heart of Gold" song is there due to the "Eat, Pray, Love" soundtrack.
https://www.foxbusiness.com/entertainment/neil-young-music-quietly-returns-spotify-joe-rogan-protest
I thought I saw a tweet yesterday stating that some of his music is still up because he doesn't own the rights to it.
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"Thrown a fit" :rolleyes:
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on February 16, 2022, 01:06:31 PM
Post by: Spracne on February 16, 2022, 01:18:48 PM
Also, I have no idea what Taylor Swift's stance is on whether more covid deaths is a good thing or a bad thing. She probably is in the "bad thing" camp because most people are, but you never really know until a person makes their views clear.
She'd probably say that this is why we can't have nice things.
Post by: chum1 on May 17, 2022, 10:26:17 AM
https://twitter.com/KnowNothingTV/status/1526454217858236416
https://twitter.com/TheDailyShow/status/1486791448330702850
Post by: 'taterblast on May 17, 2022, 12:22:14 PM
"even if it's take, the fake, is usually the warning" that poor guy. i don't know who that is (is he a regular?) but he's trying so hard to fit in with joe in that clip.
Post by: bucket on May 17, 2022, 01:09:57 PM
Post by: passranch on May 17, 2022, 02:38:33 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2022, 07:52:59 AM
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
Post by: Dugout DickStone on June 24, 2022, 08:50:26 AM
Would totally follow an account of nothing but Rogan/Peterson buddy parody.
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
ok yes please
Post by: sys on June 24, 2022, 04:57:04 PM
Post by: wetwillie on June 24, 2022, 05:12:34 PM
Would totally follow an account of nothing but Rogan/Peterson buddy parody.
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
Holy crap that is amazing, I felt like I was there in the room.
Post by: mocat on June 24, 2022, 05:15:34 PM
Would totally follow an account of nothing but Rogan/Peterson buddy parody.
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
Yes
Post by: Spracne on June 24, 2022, 06:42:03 PM
Post by: chum1 on June 24, 2022, 06:53:51 PM
Is there an account that does these regularly? I could use some cheering up, today.
Do you play Fortnite?
https://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=1854.msg2149700#msg2149700
Post by: steve dave on June 24, 2022, 08:47:33 PM
Would totally follow an account of nothing but Rogan/Peterson buddy parody.Incred
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
Post by: dal9 on June 24, 2022, 09:00:49 PM
Is there an account that does these regularly? I could use some cheering up, today.
I happened to see this yesterday.... pretty funny (and I've never even watched Rogan really)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6Iyg9fznvM&t=4699s
Post by: bucket on February 07, 2023, 12:17:07 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 07, 2023, 12:36:41 PM
Outside of my interest in some of his guests, I'll never get the whole Joe Rogan thing.
Post by: Dugout DickStone on February 07, 2023, 12:37:57 PM
Aren't the majority of people engaging in modern society "into money" at some level, in most cases, a very high level??
Outside of my interest in some of his guests, I'll never get the whole Joe Rogan thing.
I sure thought so...
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on February 07, 2023, 01:46:58 PM
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2023, 02:53:39 PM
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2023, 03:08:42 PM
O O
Post by: sys on February 07, 2023, 10:26:34 PM
I'd guess the Joe Rogan fans/Ilhan Omar supporters venn diagram looks something like this
O O
check with nicname, but i bet there's more overlap.
Post by: sys on March 22, 2023, 09:49:05 PM
Would totally follow an account of nothing but Rogan/Peterson buddy parody.
https://twitter.com/OkButStill/status/1540004403180093440
https://twitter.com/docnoir_/status/1638400398414303232
Post by: DQ12 on March 23, 2023, 10:45:28 AM
Post by: michigancat on March 23, 2023, 11:03:20 AM
live music can certainly be transcendent. I'm glad Dr. Peterson had a special time.Robert's is by far the best location for music on Broadway in Nashville. I've had similar experiences there.