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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #200 on: January 31, 2022, 11:33:16 PM »

4.  apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music.  completely revolutionary.  the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips.  what a world.

They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #201 on: January 31, 2022, 11:55:23 PM »
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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #202 on: February 01, 2022, 02:28:56 AM »

4.  apropos of nothing really, I love spotify and think it's (along with its predecessors/peers) one of the best things that's ever happened to music.  completely revolutionary.  the entire world's catalogue of music available at your fingertips.  what a world.

They are crooks who rip off artists as bad, if not worse, than record companies.
I disagree.


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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #204 on: February 01, 2022, 04:22:30 AM »
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488158473028202496?t=piiC1W1eIG_zhCDLFlhFjA&s=19
How much revenue would Eve 6 be bringing in in 2021 if spotify didn't exist?  I bought Eve 6's self-titled album (great album btw), and summarily lost it probably 20 years ago.  Spotify isn't negotiating directly with Eve 6 because "Eve 6" doesn't own the music.  If anyone is the "bad guy" in this scenario, it seems like it's the record label for whatever contract they signed with Eve 6 when the band gave up their music rights way back when.

More generally, it's really easy for artists to look at 1,000,000, 10,000,000, 20,000,000 spotify streams and argue "think of how many albums that equates to, we'd be making a killing!"  But it's apples and oranges.  With the broad accessibility to everything now (via spotify/youtube/apple/amazon/etc.), it's a lot easier for listeners to find you.  And it's a lot easier (and cheaper) for listeners to hear a particular song.  Whereas, when people had to actually (1) hear a song on the radio; (2) happen to see a band at a show; or (3) find a band via some other organic/word-of-mouth, and then decide to drop 15/20 bucks on an album -- that made the music world a whole lot smaller and gatekept by a relatively miniscule group of DJs/VJs/Record Execs acting as curators. 

I don't know - the model has obviously changed and made touring more imperative for all but a small number of artists, but I do think Spotify (and the accessibility) makes it a lot easier for talented artists to get discovered and make a decent living playing music.  And for the listeners (us), it's the invention of the printing press.


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What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #205 on: February 01, 2022, 07:17:29 AM »
I was always under the impression that artists only really got paid to tour and sell shirts.

CDs and digital was mostly for the label

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #206 on: February 01, 2022, 07:26:15 AM »
I was always under the impression that artists only really got paid to tour and sell shirts.

CDs and digital was mostly for the label

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i think the artists typically get/got a royalty for actual album sales.  though i'm sure it varies depending on the situation.


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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #207 on: February 01, 2022, 07:31:26 AM »
Without Spotify (or streaming)  Eve 6 would still be getting radio play and likely be on those compilation albums that were sold on TV back in the day, which would generate money for them and give them the opportunity to tour occasionally. Not saying Spotify isn't good for Eve 6 overall but I don't think it's a given that they are better off because of it.

Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #208 on: February 01, 2022, 07:35:50 AM »
inside out was on the radio this morning

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #209 on: February 01, 2022, 07:41:52 AM »
From the twitters this morning...

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #210 on: February 01, 2022, 07:55:24 AM »
https://twitter.com/Eve6/status/1488158473028202496

Not disputing that the record label used them for its purposes and then spit them out. On the other hand, they were kinda lucky to be chosen for that. This was not a band that made it on its own. They were a corporate product from the beginning.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #211 on: February 01, 2022, 08:00:12 AM »
not to divert from the discussion at hand but i don't think that is true at all

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #212 on: February 01, 2022, 08:04:05 AM »
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #213 on: February 01, 2022, 08:11:33 AM »
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.

Soon enough artists will be able to capture more of the Economics with smart contracts on the blockchain. Probably still several years out from that though.
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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #214 on: February 01, 2022, 08:16:07 AM »
not to divert from the discussion at hand but i don't think that is true at all

The guy signed with a major label at 17. He was very talented. Maybe he could have made it without tons of help from them. But he did get tons of help from them. Thousands of bands would have killed for that opportunity.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #215 on: February 01, 2022, 08:37:57 AM »
fair enough

i guess i was not really considering a hs band that got signed a "corporate product"

i was thinking more of the Lou Pearlman model

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #216 on: February 01, 2022, 08:43:15 AM »
Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.

A rapper shared an image showing Spotify paying out significantly less per stream than any other service a few weeks ago.  I can't vouch for the accuracy, but I think you're right

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #217 on: February 01, 2022, 08:46:45 AM »
It’s hard for me to feel too bad about the pay scale of any artist. It is a famously volatile occupation with pay only loosely corresponding to talent in the first place. I view Spotify as nothing more than the embodiment of the current market.

Maybe we’re approaching a tipping point where music artists will go the way of video streaming services and you have like a dozen different options for subscriptions depending on which content you like, but either way the age of retiring on the sale of a few mega hit singles is dead.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #218 on: February 01, 2022, 08:49:16 AM »
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.
3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.   


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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #219 on: February 01, 2022, 09:00:35 AM »
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.
3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.

I am amazingly ignorant of the music biz.  what if I didn't sell the rights to my music, and I own it, and I get 1,000,000 streams a month?  Still $3k from spotify, right?  Are you saying that they get the $0.003 plus some upfront money from Spotify for the right to play the music?

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #220 on: February 01, 2022, 09:02:51 AM »
Without Spotify (or streaming)  Eve 6 would still be getting radio play and likely be on those compilation albums that were sold on TV back in the day, which would generate money for them and give them the opportunity to tour occasionally. Not saying Spotify isn't good for Eve 6 overall but I don't think it's a given that they are better off because of it.

Also I don't want to do the research but I'm pretty sure Spotify has the worst payout of any streaming service. Probably makes the Rogan deal a little worse in the eyes of the artists.
Yeah -- I mean assuming his tweet is more or less an average month, that means Eve 6 is generating ~$36,000/yr via spotify streaming.

At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify? 
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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #221 on: February 01, 2022, 09:09:44 AM »
Imagine inventing something that ppl will use a million times a month and only getting $3k a month for that.
3k/mo plus whatever they sold the rights for.

I am amazingly ignorant of the music biz.  what if I didn't sell the rights to my music, and I own it, and I get 1,000,000 streams a month?  Still $3k from spotify, right?  Are you saying that they get the $0.003 plus some upfront money from Spotify for the right to play the music?
No - I'm saying the record company (in Eve 6's case, Sony) didn't magically inherit the rights to control/distribute/profit from the music.  I don't know the ins and outs either, but I would expect that when Sony (or whoever preceded Sony w/r/t Eve 6) acquired the rights, they gave Eve 6 some sort of payment/deal that resulted in some benefit to eve 6 in exchange for the rights.

I don't think, for the average artist, spotify pays any sort of up front sum in order to provide the music on its platform.  My understanding is that the record company (or artist or whoever controls the rights) accepts a deal with spotify where spotify is given permission to host the music on their platform and spotify pays a royalty in some amount (between $.003 and .005) per stream.


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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #222 on: February 01, 2022, 09:21:43 AM »
Somewhat adjace but did any of you catch last week's episode of Black Market with (the late great) Michael K Williams? It was on the topic of bots like how they are used to buy up event tickets, limited edition shoes, etc. and then sell them on the secondary market but it was also about stream trappers and how even Spotify's top artists are basically paying "consultants" that have a crap ton of streaming phones and will just play that artist's songs X number of times a day for a month or whatever they agree to. And these apps are set up so that spotify doesn't detect that its just a bot. That episode was mostly about Chad Focus. Very interesting. Would recommend.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #223 on: February 01, 2022, 09:29:23 AM »
At the end of the day, if the absence of spotify/super cheap streaming created a larger profit pie to distribute between the record companies and artists, wouldn't both parties opt to stay off spotify? 

I don't know if the pool is necessarily larger without spotify. The dollars per artist that "makes it" is probably larger though. But like you said it's harder to "make it" in the old system. It's a really complicated issue.

And in light of this detour I'll reiterate that I don't think it's a stretch for artists to complain about Joe Rogan making 100s of millions peddling bullshit while artists (who really are the foundation of spotify) get crap on for the most part. Also I don't know the tweet, but a lot of artists don't have the power to pull their music off spotify in their current contract situation. Neil's pulling work for a lot of folks.

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Re: What’s the Joe Rogan thing?
« Reply #224 on: February 01, 2022, 09:33:59 AM »
Man, Dax heard that song and decided to move there

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