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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: _33 on May 21, 2019, 05:17:09 PM
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If all the dems are garbage (they are) and Trump is garbage (he is), will there be any non-weirdo losers that I can vote for as a 3rd party candidate? Hopefully better than Jill Stein or that other weirdo loser guy from 2016 whose name I can't remember.
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are there particular policies you are looking for or just cool people?
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This is where Tom gets the ball rolling.
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Bill Weld would be cool (libertarian vp candidate last election). But maybe he’s also gonna try to primary Trump? That would be p sweet.
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Vote for Tom if you want
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Of course Tom will need to submit the appropriate paper work to your state’s Secretary of State for the vote to count. PM him so he can get the ball rolling if you plan to vote Tom.
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Who is Tom?
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Who is Tom?
An old friend I had on MySpace.
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As a conscientious republican I can confidently say the dems have several dozen candidates better than trump but I’m very open to a third party candidate as well. Let’s hear about them!
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Right now in all reality it would be just as good to vote for a wheel bearing. With all of the work being done for the people, a wheel bearing would get just about as much done. Investigation nation is a failure of the utmost reality! :'bye cruel world:
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Voted Gary Johnson last cycle. Unlikely I’ll vote third party again in 2020 since it’s very likely the Dems will put up a better candidate. And I’m really not on the Schultz bandwagon at all even if that happens.
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No we have none.
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What is the function of a wheel bearing?
Wheel bearings allow wheels to rotate easily with minimized friction between the wheels and the axles to which the wheels are attached. This makes the motion more efficient, meaning less effort is required to rotate the wheels and less heat is generated. Motion works wheel bearing announces 2020 presidential run New Cambria Kansas during flood evacuation via Salina Post .com
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I’m more interested in the 4th party candidates if we are being completely honest.
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Looking like the main 2 choices in the general will suck complete crap and balls.
Has anyone heard about any 3rd party candidates yet that might not suck complete crap and balls?
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Looking like the main 2 choices in the general will suck complete crap and balls.
Has anyone heard about any 3rd party candidates yet that might not suck complete crap and balls?
are there particular policies you are looking for or just cool people?
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People can, in good faith, disagree on the public good and the policies that best achieve it. What you don't need in a president is a policy wonk ideologue. All the ideas are already out there. You need a consensus builder. So, are there any consensus builders out there who have shown a willingness to advance a dialogue toward common ground? Probably not since only fringe weirdos can get elected now.
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People can, in good faith, disagree on the public good and the policies that best achieve it. What you don't need in a president is a policy wonk ideologue. All the ideas are already out there. You need a consensus builder. So, are there any consensus builders out there who have shown a willingness to advance a dialogue toward common ground? Probably not since only fringe weirdos can get elected now.
What's an example of a stance on an issue that would a dialogue towards a common ground?
Side note did you copy and paste that from a Pete speech?
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People can, in good faith, disagree on the public good and the policies that best achieve it. What you don't need in a president is a policy wonk ideologue. All the ideas are already out there. You need a consensus builder. So, are there any consensus builders out there who have shown a willingness to advance a dialogue toward common ground? Probably not since only fringe weirdos can get elected now.
That's a meaningless word salad that makes dax blush. In the modern history of western politics there has literally never been a consensus builder. There isn't a such thing as actual policy that doesn't disenfranchise some group of people, we're all different, bro.
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Obama was probably the closest thing we have had to that in my lifetime and the senate wouldn't even let him appoint a supreme court justice.
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People can, in good faith, disagree on the public good and the policies that best achieve it. What you don't need in a president is a policy wonk ideologue. All the ideas are already out there. You need a consensus builder. So, are there any consensus builders out there who have shown a willingness to advance a dialogue toward common ground? Probably not since only fringe weirdos can get elected now.
That's a meaningless word salad that makes dax blush. In the modern history of western politics there has literally never been a consensus builder. There isn't a such thing as actual policy that doesn't disenfranchise some group of people, we're all different, bro.
Yeah, that's why I want one. Our politics are a joke. Seems like maybe we should try something different. As for your last statement, 'consensus' means that there is an acceptable resolution for most people, even if not their favorite outcome. It doesn't mean unanimous. I don't think.
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
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3rd party candidates with their huge budgets get around a lot and thus understand you and I better.
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
You're probably right. So it won't help us in 2020 but the real question is how do we get the 2 major parties to nominate non fringe weirdos. Any ideas?
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
You're probably right. So it won't help us in 2020 but the real question is how do we get the 2 major parties to nominate non fringe weirdos. Any ideas?
Require all states to have open primaries where people from other parties can vote.
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It’s worked wonders in Texas.
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
You're probably right. So it won't help us in 2020 but the real question is how do we get the 2 major parties to nominate non fringe weirdos. Any ideas?
Keep pounding that point away, after the 87th time you make it I'm sure you'll reach a consensus on it.
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It’s worked wonders in Texas.
You're kidding right? We know he considers Ted Cruz and Beto O'Rourke "fringe weirdos" they ran for president in the last two elections. Safe to say John Cornyn fits in the same category given he's the definition of a DC insider. I don't know anything about David Alameel, but it's safe to assume that he aligns closely with one of the roughly 7000 Democratic candidates in this election.
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Yes I was kidding
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
You're probably right. So it won't help us in 2020 but the real question is how do we get the 2 major parties to nominate non fringe weirdos. Any ideas?
Keep pounding that point away, after the 87th time you make it I'm sure you'll reach a consensus on it.
we're all different, bro.
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
You're probably right. So it won't help us in 2020 but the real question is how do we get the 2 major parties to nominate non fringe weirdos. Any ideas?
Keep pounding that point away, after the 87th time you make it I'm sure you'll reach a consensus on it.
we're all different, bro.
You're right, to most of us context matters.
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Frankly, 33 sounds exactly like a "reluctant" Trump voter in 16. Shake things up! He's a successful businessman, not a politician! He couldn't be any worse than what we've had, right?!?
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Frankly, 33 sounds exactly like a "reluctant" Trump voter in 16. Shake things up! He's a successful businessman, not a politician! He couldn't be any worse than what we've had, right?!?
I voted for that Mormon guy Evan*. I didn't ever consider voting for Trump because I thought he was an immature dumbass who would divide an already divided country even further.
*SYS SAID HE HAD A CHANCE TO WIN MAYBE
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Who wins in a race between Trump, Bernie, and Bloomberg?
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probably Bernie
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Who wins in a race between Trump, Bernie, and Bloomberg?
What kind of race?
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There are lots of Republicans that don't want to vote for Trump and may vote for Bloomberg if given the option. There are lots of Democrats that don't want to vote for Bernie and may vote for Bloomberg if given the option.
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Bloomberg would have a decent shot of getting the most votes a third party candidate has ever gotten. Really in the current system the only way to do it is to be a multi billionaire. If he were actually likeable I’d say he has a shot to win it, but I don’t think he does.
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Bloomberg would have a decent shot of getting the most votes and Independent has ever gotten. Really in the current system the only way to do it is to be a multi billionaire. If he were actually likeable I’d say he has a shot to win it, but I don’t think he does.
Not a chance. Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in '92 and received almost 20 million votes.
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I think Bloomberg would have a better shot as an independent if he would have stayed out of the democratic primary.
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If you think the two major partys are fringe wierdos, then I don't think the 3rd party slate full of actual fringe wierdos is what you're looking for.
:lol:
Seriously tho, before I answer your question I need to know: if you absolutely had to - like gun to your favorite dog’s head - choose between Trump and Sanders/Bloomberg, who would you choose?
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Is Sanders/Bloomberg one ticket? Like Bloomberg would be the VP?
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Bloomberg would have a decent shot of getting the most votes and Independent has ever gotten. Really in the current system the only way to do it is to be a multi billionaire. If he were actually likeable I’d say he has a shot to win it, but I don’t think he does.
Not a chance. Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in '92 and received almost 20 million votes.
Why is that not doable? Bloomberg as an independent could very much make this look like a similar 3 party race with funding not being a problem. He could even use being excluded from debates as fuel for more ads.
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Bloomberg would have a decent shot of getting the most votes and Independent has ever gotten. Really in the current system the only way to do it is to be a multi billionaire. If he were actually likeable I’d say he has a shot to win it, but I don’t think he does.
Not a chance. Ross Perot got 19% of the vote in '92 and received almost 20 million votes.
Why is that not doable? Bloomberg as an independent could very much make this look like a similar 3 party race with funding not being a problem. He could even use being excluded from debates as fuel for more ads.
$300 straight up?
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I said he had a shot in a hypothetical situation that hasn’t even happened yet! That seems like a bad bet.
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The same issues that dog Bloomberg as a Democrat would dog him as an independent. As much as the moderates on this board keep trying to tell us that's what America craves, the last two primary cycles indicate otherwise. Not only that, but he's either seen as a center left candidate that's a billionaire oligarch who's a racist and sexist or a center right candidate who is a nanny stater who thinks the government should tell people what to eat and drink and will impose every governmental regulation you could ever think of. He is an environmentalist who got rich off of a media empire.
A side note but I'm 100% a never bloomer. If he gets the nomination, I'm voting for Howie Hawkins.
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I said he had a shot in a hypothetical situation that hasn’t even happened yet! That seems like a bad bet.
Yeah there is no way he gets even 13%. How about that bet?
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13% IF he runs as an IND?
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I voted for that Mormon guy Evan*.
*SYS SAID HE HAD A CHANCE TO WIN MAYBE
i did not say that.
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I voted for that Mormon guy Evan*.
*SYS SAID HE HAD A CHANCE TO WIN MAYBE
i did not say that.
Well maybe you just said he had a chance to win Utah. But then some other guy said he had 'a path' to the presidency.
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He was a huge giant weirdo too, after you looked into some of his policies.
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What's the scoop on the 3rd party candidates this year?
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You are definitely an RFK Jr voter
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You think? What's his deal?
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Big time anti-vax'r
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Also his dad was pretty cool
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The voice thing bothers me a lot. I think it reminds me of oscar Weber.
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Absolutely loves bears
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He's also a secret trump supporter just like 33!
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Big time anti-vax'r
I'm vaxxxxed son.
He's also a secret trump supporter just like 33!
Haha what makes you think that?
I'm not sure if you believe me but I didn't vote for Trump the last two elections and I won't vote for him this time either. I think he's dumb and I don't respect him and I think he's a bad president.
The problem is I think the other side are stupid idiots as well.
And since I don't see Trump as a threat to democracy like some so I can't just cast the 'anti-Trump' vote like many will.
Quite the conundrum. I probably just won't vote because I won't know enough about any local candidates to make an informed decision. But I might because it's my civic duty.
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Equating trump (and magaism) to normal politicians is classic secret trump supporter behavior
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Equating trump (and magaism) to normal politicians is classic secret trump supporter behavior
haha well, ok
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I'm normally a 3rd party voter who won't be voting with my party this year, because they insist on keep feeding us a Jill Stein crap sandwich.
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FOLKS
https://x.com/RealPatrickWebb/status/1821647334649766048
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He's got to stay in now. Which is incredible.
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Goddam, Joe Rogan
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I demand nicname's call on who he's voting for GIVEN THIS NEW ENDORSEMENT
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It really feels like the dude MAGA thought was their ingenious spoiler candidate is going to be taking WAY more votes from Trump than from Harris.
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Hell yes, Joe Rogan
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It really feels like the dude MAGA thought was their ingenious spoiler candidate is going to be taking WAY more votes from Trump than from Harris.
it's very clear. polls show trump getting knocked down 5%+ with the antivax guy in it.
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It's interesting. Texags really likes rfkj and routinely praise how reasonable he is but they also think he's super popular with liberals. My experience is that rfkj people are basically antivaxjones'rs who love everything about trump but are "independent thinkers" so they refuse to vote establishment.
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I think it's because they are old man boomers and the Kennedy name still means something to them. I don't think anyone under 50 has ever cared about the Kennedys but maybe that's anecdotal
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I think it's because they are old man boomers and the Kennedy name still means something to them. I don't think anyone under 50 has ever cared about the Kennedys but maybe that's anecdotal
old people like brands
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Remember when dax was trying to fight the right wing antivax accusations by pointing to rfkj as a celebrated democrat thought leader? Lmfao
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Remember when dax was trying to fight the right wing antivax accusations by pointing to rfkj as a celebrated democrat thought leader? Lmfao
more idiots than just dax were doing that to be fair
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Something to lighten eveyone's day
Hardcore Lib downloads on Bill Gates. Note: Not an anit-vaxer at all, quite the opposite, but I might be convinced to become an anti GatesVax'er.
Then again, for some of the useful idiots on here, anything the TechnoOligarchs say is the truth . . . sad.
https://childrenshealthdefense.org/news/government-corruption/gates-globalist-vaccine-agenda-a-win-win-for-pharma-and-mandatory-vaccination/
Kind of weird that a guy who made billions on half-baked virus ridden products is such a big virus guy.
The thing is sys, you have a LARGE MAGA population that is anti-mask, anti-virus, anti-vax, etc. These are the people that will continue to spread this. They are the ones bitching about the economy opening up. Yet they are gonna be the reason we open up slower. It’s so rough ridin' stupid.
The most hardcore anti-vaxer in the country is the most hardcore Useful Idiot Lib you can find, and he's backed by a legion of Useful Idiot Libs, including tons of so called progressives in Hollywood.;
Well who is it?
Robert F Kennedy Jr
https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2019/05/08/he-is-wrong-robert-f-kennedy-jrs-family-calls-him-out-anti-vax-conspiracy-theories/
Robert F. Kennedy Jr. has long faced condemnation for spreading conspiracy theories about vaccines causing autism, a claim debunked by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, the American Academy of Pediatrics and many other leading health and science organizations around the world.
:lol:
I have no idea why dax agreed with an antivax piece written by RFK Jr only to weeks later accuse libs of worshipping him.
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oh no
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Remember when dax was trying to fight the right wing antivax accusations by pointing to rfkj as a celebrated democrat thought leader? Lmfao
more idiots than just dax were doing that to be fair
It was a very popular talking point for scared dummies tbh
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When Star seed goes full archivist on you, you are mumped.
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I demand nicname's call on who he's voting for GIVEN THIS NEW ENDORSEMENT
Not.
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I demand nicname's call on who he's voting for GIVEN THIS NEW ENDORSEMENT
Not.
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I demand nicname's call on who he's voting for GIVEN THIS NEW ENDORSEMENT
Not.
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joe rogan = washed
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joe rogan = washed
I can’t remember the last time I listened to a Rogan pod
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joe rogan = washed
I can’t remember the last time I listened to a Rogan pod
WASHED CONFIRMED!
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I watched the one where the math guy tried to gently correct Terrance Howard
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Although I did watch a clip recently where he and his guest were going over all the "crazy" things Harris has said and they kept telling the producer to find the video and every single one of them the producer had to be like "looks like that was severely out of context" or "looks like that wasn't a real quote" and finally Joe gives up and says "well it's just so hard what to know what to believe today because it seems possible!"
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lol
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Although I did watch a clip recently where he and his guest were going over all the "crazy" things Harris has said and they kept telling the producer to find the video and every single one of them the producer had to be like "looks like that was severely out of context" or "looks like that wasn't a real quote" and finally Joe gives up and says "well it's just so hard what to know what to believe today because it seems possible!"
ah, well, nevertheless
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good to know that the nicname's of the world aren't being influenced into voting for some fuckwad at least
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Both sides equally bad. The creativity and mental energy it must have taken to arrive at the singularity. It's breathtaking.
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joe rogan = washed
Alex Jones won't even touch him now.
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Both sides equally bad. The creativity and mental energy it must have taken to arrive at the singularity. It's breathtaking.
Breaking: Huge big time fan of certain political party thinks other political party clearly worse.
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right on schedule
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What is good or bad? Who's to say? Not me!
Thank you, but I won't be looking in to it. I will just carry on with my life assuming all the other people will handle it.
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When I hear the flat earthers and round earthers going at it I just have to chuckle to myself like I’m sure they both have some good points if they’re yelling that much.
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lol what
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I’d vote for a Justin Amash/ Thomas Massie ticket in whatever order.
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_33 continuing to play stupid, and acting like we don't clearly see what he actually thinks and nic both sidesing instead of acknowledging what his eyes see are the funniest running gags on this board.
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I'd like to know how _33 squares this view of trump with how trump views education in this country, but he's too busy being insincere to offer an actual opinion about it.
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Trump said on X with Elon, that he would end the Department of Ed and throw ed back to the states. He then said that he recognizes that a good chunk of the states wouldn't do it well.
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Trump said on X with Elon, that he would end the Department of Ed and throw ed back to the states. He then said that he recognizes that a good chunk of the states wouldn't do it well.
holy crap that is a horrific plan
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Trump said on X with Elon, that he would end the Department of Ed and throw ed back to the states. He then said that he recognizes that a good chunk of the states wouldn't do it well.
holy crap that is a horrific plan
I mean, in a few decades the SEC would be a wasteland
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Would be?
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Trump said on X with Elon, that he would end the Department of Ed and throw ed back to the states. He then said that he recognizes that a good chunk of the states wouldn't do it well.
holy crap that is a horrific plan
I mean, in a few decades the SEC would be a wasteland
more so. parents will pretend they want their kids taught about talking snakes and the 59 year old school board member needs to inspect all young girls genitals but when it is put into wide practice they are going to head north.
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Isn’t the dept of education relatively young?
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It's roots are from fdr, I don't personally consider that young
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Its roots go back to the 19th Century, and I guarantee that 95%+ of the people who want to get rid of it have no idea what it does and does not do.
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Isn’t the dept of education relatively young?
If that's the case, maybe Trump is right to want to eliminate it. Makes you think!
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It would make regionally hiring/admitting people very easy. As sad as that is.
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But good for business!
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Its roots go back to the 19th Century, and I guarantee that 95%+ of the people who want to get rid of it have no idea what it does and does not do.
I don’t necessarily want to get rid of it, but, hand up, I have no idea what it does or does not do.
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From ChatGPT on the department of education
The Department of Education’s budget distribution does not have a clear partisan bias toward either Republican- or Democratic-leaning states. Federal education funding is primarily allocated based on formulas that take into account factors such as student population size, poverty levels, and the needs of special education programs, rather than the political affiliation of the state.
Here are a few key points about how the Department of Education’s funding might be distributed:
1. Title I Funding:
• Title I provides financial assistance to schools with high numbers or high percentages of children from low-income families. These funds are distributed based on the number of eligible students in each state, regardless of the state’s political alignment. States with higher poverty rates, whether they are Republican or Democratic, tend to receive more Title I funding.
2. Special Education (IDEA) Funding:
• The Individuals with Disabilities Education Act (IDEA) provides grants to states to support special education services. This funding is also based on the number of students with disabilities and their specific needs, not on the state’s voting patterns.
3. Pell Grants and Higher Education:
• Federal Pell Grants are awarded to low-income undergraduate students based on their financial need. These grants are distributed to students across all states, and the political leaning of a state does not influence the amount of Pell Grant funding it receives.
4. State Grants and Education Programs:
• Many federal education programs involve grants to states or competitive grants for specific initiatives. The allocation of these funds depends on the state’s ability to meet the grant criteria, not on its political preferences.
In summary, the Department of Education’s funding is designed to address educational needs across the country and is largely insulated from partisan considerations. Therefore, it doesn’t particularly benefit states that voted for Republicans more than those that voted for Democrats in presidential elections. The primary drivers of funding are student demographics and educational needs.