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I was recently in a conversation debating the Top Ten Coaches in Basketball and I'm curious which coaches EMAW would put as their Top Ten, and in what order, as well. I have gotten my Top 5 down and haven't solidified 6-10 yet.
1) Tom Izzo
2) Coach K
3) Rick Pitino
4) Roy Williams
5) Coach Cal
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10)
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Please edit out Cal and include Huggins and I might participate.
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Please include the following:
Dana Altman
Tom Asbury
Jim Wooldridge
tia.
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Pitino is ranked too high. as is Izzo. K has earned the #1 spot imo. add: Boeheim, Calhoun, Donovan, Self, and Huggins to round out your 10.
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I agree with Izzo #1
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I agree with Izzo #1
He may not have as many championships as some of the others, but god damn he's a genius in getting his teams up for the tournament.
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I agree with Izzo #1
He may not have as many championships as some of the others, but god damn he's a genius in getting his teams up for the tournament.
Yeah, he has 6 final fours in his 15 years which is pretty absurd. I give him an edge over K probably because I like him more but really can argue it either way. K has a 77.8% NCAA tourny winning percentage to Izzo's 74.5%.
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I was recently in a conversation debating the Top Ten Coaches in Basketball and I'm curious which coaches EMAW would put as their Top Ten, and in what order, as well. I have gotten my Top 5 down and haven't solidified 6-10 yet.
1) Tom Izzo
2) Coach K
3) Rick Pitino
4) Roy Williams
5) Coach Cal
6)
7)
8)
9)
10)
no oneis putting Hoiberg on this list.
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tier 1
1. coack k
2. izzo
3. roy
4. boheim
5. pitino
tier 2
6. seff
7. calipari
8. donovan
9. huggins
others: brad stevens, rick barnes, sean miller, john thompson jr., gary williams, mark few, lon kruger, fran dunphy, matt painter, thad motta, bo ryan
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tier 1
1. coack k
2. izzo
3. roy
4. boheim
5. pitino
tier 2
6. seff
7. calipari
8. donovan
9. huggins
others: brad stevens, rick barnes, sean miller, john thompson jr., gary williams, mark few, lon kruger, fran dunphy, matt painter, thad motta, bo ryan
Are you rough ridin' kidding me? Rick Barnes?
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Gary Williams can't even recruit his own back yard and Rick Barnes can't challenge the conf elite while getting his pick of the TX talent pool.
Double fail.
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Gary Williams can't even recruit his own back yard
He's got a ring...so im OK with the honorable mention...
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Tom Crean, Jamie Dixon, Ben Howland, Mike Montgomery, Lorenzo Romar?
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
This is very strong EMAW related twittering journo bait.
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just take the top 10 highest win %'s of active coaches w/ more than 5 years of experience.
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just take the top 10 highest win %'s of active coaches w/ more than 5 years of experience.
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Except on Capel's remove that one bad season which should not be counted :peek:
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
What are you getting at here?? (and remember yours and Rusty's debate over Capel)
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
What are you getting at here?? (and remember yours and Rusty's debate over Capel)
Yeah, see post directly above yours re. the Capel debate. I'm saying Barnes is a pretty good coach.
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just take the top 10 highest win %'s of active coaches w/ more than 5 years of experience.
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Except on Capel's remove that one bad season which should not be counted :peek:
You should really look at Capel's entire record. You look at his Big 12 w%,, you would see he is a slightly above average B12 coach. BUT YOU CAN'T COUNT SEASONS WITH BLAKE GRIFFIN!!!!
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just take the top 10 highest win %'s of active coaches w/ more than 5 years of experience.
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Except on Capel's remove that one bad season which should not be counted :peek:
You should really look at Capel's entire record. You look at his Big 12 w%,, you would see he is a slightly above average B12 coach. BUT YOU CAN'T COUNT SEASONS WITH BLAKE GRIFFIN!!!!
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Are you rough ridin' kidding me? Rick Barnes?
dead serious ... you?
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
What are you getting at here?? (and remember yours and Rusty's debate over Capel)
Yeah, see post directly above yours re. the Capel debate. I'm saying Barnes is a pretty good coach.
barnes is a decent coach but he's proven to underperform with elite talent. there's no excuse for his recruiting strategy leading to how his team was put together last year. he certainly, in my mind, doesn't deserve to be mentioned when discussing the top 10 coaches in the game.
ya recruiting is part of coaching and i'd give him points for signing elite talent if he was doing it somewhere other than a school such as UT.
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People (football only fans) think Texas has always been a basketball juggernaut but they have pretty much sucked for their entire existance prior to Barnes. Their last Final Four before Rick was in 1947. Barnes is 138-57 in Big 12 play and has made the NCAA every season. 43% of Texas' NCAA tourny appearences have been under Barnes.
What are you getting at here?? (and remember yours and Rusty's debate over Capel)
Yeah, see post directly above yours re. the Capel debate. I'm saying Barnes is a pretty good coach.
barnes is a decent coach but he's proven to underperform with elite talent. there's no excuse for his recruiting strategy leading to how his team was put together last year. he certainly, in my mind, doesn't deserve to be mentioned when discussing the top 10 coaches in the game.
ya recruiting is part of coaching and i'd give him points for signing elite talent if he was doing it somewhere other than a school such as UT.
BITB
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tier 1
1. coack k
2. izzo
3. roy
4. boheim
5. pitino
tier 2
6. seff
7. calipari
8. donovan
9. huggins
others: brad stevens, rick barnes, sean miller, john thompson jr., gary williams, mark few, lon kruger, fran dunphy, matt painter, thad motta, bo ryan
Are you rough ridin' kidding me? Rick Barnes?
:lol:
QFT! I mean look at the f*cking talent they had last year!
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I'd put Rick Majerus in the honorable mention. Guy has Wac, Mac and MWC championship titles Plus if your throwing Brad Stevens into the mix apparently it just takes a runner up finish in the NC game to make Honorable Mention
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i guess i shouldn't have included an others list of which has confused the hell out of idiots across the spectrum.
I'd put Rick Majerus in the honorable mention. Guy has Wac, Mac and MWC championship titles Plus if your throwing Brad Stevens into the mix apparently it just takes a runner up finish in the NC game to make Honorable Mention
i forgot majerus was still coaching. if you want to throw him in with the 'others' then i wouldn't have a problem w/ that.
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Isn't Sutton coaching at San Fran? I really like Eddie. :drink: :drink: :drink: :drink: :driving: :CRASH!:
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
Anyone any where near the top 10 coaches are going to be fantastic recruiters. I'm just saying that some dudes can recruit like crazy but never really seem to do anything special with that talent. Sometimes a dude's recruiting abilities can help cover possible coaching deficiencies. Obviously Coach K, Izzo, and Huggs recruit like mothers, but they actually get great results with that talent...
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
Anyone any where near the top 10 coaches are going to be fantastic recruiters. I'm just saying that some dudes can recruit like crazy but never really seem to do anything special with that talent. Sometimes a dude's recruiting abilities can help cover possible coaching deficiencies. Obviously Coach K, Izzo, and Huggs recruit like mothers, but they actually get great results with that talent...
Cal has gotten more results than Huggins, fwiw.
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Self took Tulsa to the Elite Eight and won at Oral Roberts, dumbass.
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1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Rick Pitino
5. Jim Calhoun
6. Bill Self
7. Billy Donovan
8. Bob Huggins
9. Mark Few
10. Tubby Smith
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
yeah, we should also have separate championships for each type of coach.
Because it matters how you win your games.
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yeah, we should also have separate championships for each type of coach.
Because it matters how you win your games.
Boom, roasted
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
Anyone any where near the top 10 coaches are going to be fantastic recruiters. I'm just saying that some dudes can recruit like crazy but never really seem to do anything special with that talent. Sometimes a dude's recruiting abilities can help cover possible coaching deficiencies. Obviously Coach K, Izzo, and Huggs recruit like mothers, but they actually get great results with that talent...
Cal has gotten more results than Huggins, fwiw.
Cal has also had unbelievable talent on his teams. Huggs would have like one top NBA type of guys, Cal would have several.
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Cal has also had unbelievable talent on his teams. Huggs would have like one top NBA type of guys, Cal would have several.
IT DOESN'T MATTER
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yeah, we should also have separate championships for each type of coach.
Because it matters how you win your games.
Boom, roasted
We do have separate types of championships. D1, D2, juco, NAIA, high school, etc. And it does matter how you win your games. You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
Anyone any where near the top 10 coaches are going to be fantastic recruiters. I'm just saying that some dudes can recruit like crazy but never really seem to do anything special with that talent. Sometimes a dude's recruiting abilities can help cover possible coaching deficiencies. Obviously Coach K, Izzo, and Huggs recruit like mothers, but they actually get great results with that talent...
Cal has gotten more results than Huggins, fwiw.
Cal has also had unbelievable talent on his teams. Huggs would have like one top NBA type of guys, Cal would have several.
I fail to see how this makes Cal a worse coach. Results are all that matters.
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yeah, we should also have separate championships for each type of coach.
Because it matters how you win your games.
Boom, roasted
We do have separate types of championships. D1, D2, juco, NAIA, high school, etc. And it does matter how you win your games. You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
How about taking Tulsa to an Elite Eight?
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You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
Do you get a bigger trophy or something? :dunno:
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Self took Tulsa to the Elite Eight and won at Oral Roberts, dumbass.
He also failed to get KU out of the 2nd round in 3 of 7 seasons.
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You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
Do you get a bigger trophy or something? :dunno:
If they do the guy who recruited the better talent should get the bigger trophy because it has less to do with luck.
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Self took Tulsa to the Elite Eight and won at Oral Roberts, dumbass.
He also failed to get KU out of the 2nd round in 3 of 7 seasons.
He also won a national championship, six straight Big 12 titles, and took KU to three Elite Eights.
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You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
Do you get a bigger trophy or something? :dunno:
Ok fine, we'll just simply rank the coaches on winning percentages.
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Cal has also had unbelievable talent on his teams. Huggs would have like one top NBA type of guys, Cal would have several.
IT DOESN'T MATTER
I'm not sure what you're getting at here
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You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
Do you get a bigger trophy or something? :dunno:
If they do the guy who recruited the better talent should get the bigger trophy because it has less to do with luck.
How many games are decided purely on luck? Was KSU just unlucky for like 20 years?
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1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Rick Pitino
5. Jim Calhoun
6. Bill Self
7. Billy Donovan
8. Bob Huggins
9. Mark Few
10. Tubby Smith
The restraint it took to make this list is no doubt unimaginable. I mean Self is at #6. #6!
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Pretty sure Cal has had like two seasons removed from the record books... Soooo that makes him at least in the top 5 imo.
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There are not any elite level coaches currently known as "recruiters" who weren't at one time known as "coach 'em ups". That includes Calipari.
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You really think that taking Butler to the NC would be the same as taking UK or KU to the NC?
Do you get a bigger trophy or something? :dunno:
If they do the guy who recruited the better talent should get the bigger trophy because it has less to do with luck.
How many games are decided purely on luck? Was KSU just unlucky for like 20 years?
No, we sucked at recruiting
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Are you rough ridin' kidding me? Rick Barnes?
dead serious ... you?
Did you not watch his team last season, tard? The guy can recruit, but as far as coaching goes he is nothing special.
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1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Rick Pitino
5. Jim Calhoun
6. Bill Self
7. Billy Donovan
8. Bob Huggins
9. Mark Few
10. Tubby Smith
Didn't you say Roy Williams was a "garbage coach"?
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1. Tom Izzo
2. Coach K
3. Roy Williams
4. Rick Pitino
5. Jim Calhoun
6. Bill Self
7. Billy Donovan
8. Bob Huggins
9. Mark Few
10. Tubby Smith
Didn't you say Roy Williams was a "garbage coach"?
Not at all. I was mocking michigancat.
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LOL at anyone who doesn't have K as #1. Dude is the G.O.A.T.
the rest in no order but first group is better than second group.
Ol' Roy
Izzo
Pitino
Boehiem
Huggs
Motta
Donovan
Howland
Self
This is a hard one to give a good answer to because being the most accomplished is not the same as being the best for say the next 5 or so years going forward.
Still it begins and ends with K.
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Should probably have like 2 categories:
A) Legitimate good coaches, who could take an untalented team and still get some decent play out of it- Ex- Coach K, Izzo, Huggins, etc.
B) Dudes that recruit like crazy (and have good records because of it) but probably aren't that great of coaches. Barnes, Calipari, Self, etc.
Huggs took a horrible KSU team and got them within a game of the tourney. Barnes took an incredibly talented Texas team and damn near didn't make the tournament. Coach K took a bunch of crackers and won the damn thing. Calipari took five first rounders and missed out on even a Final Four. Izzo somehow found a way to make another Final Four, Self took 2 AAs, a lottery pick, a drunk, a weasel, two mongoloids, and a point plank'r and got UNI'd. That kind of stuff.
Izzo, Huggins and Coach K are fantastic recruiters. Fantastic.
Anyone any where near the top 10 coaches are going to be fantastic recruiters. I'm just saying that some dudes can recruit like crazy but never really seem to do anything special with that talent. Sometimes a dude's recruiting abilities can help cover possible coaching deficiencies. Obviously Coach K, Izzo, and Huggs recruit like mothers, but they actually get great results with that talent...
Cal has gotten more results than Huggins, fwiw.
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LOL at anyone who doesn't have K as #1. Dude is the G.O.A.T.
the rest in no order but first group is better than second group.
Ol' Roy
Izzo
Pitino
Boehiem
Huggs
Motta
Donovan
Howland
Self
This is a hard one to give a good answer to because being the most accomplished is not the same as being the best for say the next 5 or so years going forward.
Still it begins and ends with K.
LOL @ putting Boeheim in the top tier. If Self had his record, you guys would be bashing him even harder than you do now. From '04 to '08, Boeheim had two first round losses and two NIT appearances. Since '03, his team hasn't made it past the Sweet Sixteen. The guy has two total Final Fours since he started coaching back in 1976.
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Add Jimmy B to the long list of things BMW obsessively seeks validation from.
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Boeheim is absolutely top tier imo (is Bill Self a John Wooden "Legends of Coaching" honoree?)
however i digress because i firmly believe that Bill is a better coach than ol deputy dawg
1. K
2. Izzo
3. Calhoun
4. Self
5. Huggy
6. Pittino
7. Cal
8. deputy
9. Donovan
10. Doc Sadler (the fact that the best x & o's coach in the game has been omitted to this point is a travesty)
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Boeheim is absolutely top tier imo (is Bill Self a John Wooden "Legends of Coaching" honoree?)
however i digress because i firmly believe that Bill is a better coach than ol deputy dawg
1. K
2. Izzo
3. Calhoun
4. Self
5. Huggy
6. Pittino
7. Cal
8. deputy
9. Donovan
10.Doc Sadler (the fact that the best x & o's coach in the game has been omitted to this point is a travesty)
:flush:
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