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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: BMWWcat on March 20, 2017, 04:28:05 PM
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Man, looking at the roster and the incoming recruiting class: we are going to be bad. Like 9th or 10th in the conference bad.
JMO...but yikes. I hope I'm wrong. :facepalm:
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you're not fooling me, bookcat
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picked at the bottom of the conference, when the oscar cats are most dangerous
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oscar will just blame the pollmakers and use that as motivation.
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We'll probably finish about the same as last year.
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Depending on fall out from other schools looking at being somewhere between 4-6 in conference. Kenpom probably opens at 30. Good offseason and you looking at a team that finishes 20th in kenpom and a lot of anger and eggs to go around. Bad season looking at a bubble team and a lot of anger.
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How crappy of a stinking corpse of a non-con will Oscar present us with for next season, especially with the reward he got this year?
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Maybe we can go from preseason 10th to finishing 6th... Up FOUR spots!
Trending upward.
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We'll probably finish about the same as last year.
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I mean, 6-10 is basically all the same unless you're KU football or some crap
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I mean, 6-10 is basically all the same unless you're KU football or some crap
I was just about to post that we'll likely be preseason 5 or 6.
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I mean, 6-10 is basically all the same unless you're KU football or some crap
yeah. we could go 10-8 or 6-12 and have basically the same team.
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Do we have any other option but to have the same team despite our record?
Sorry. It made me laugh to myself so I posted it. I know what you mean.
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If it is Oscar and the weinerettes, we will be the dang best mediocre team in America. I hold out hope yet for change, but trying to be pragmatic. Pragmatism says if Oscar can get two grade premium 4 hotdogs we can be okay. Mark Smith and a big whopper meat from Western Iowa.juco is a scoring and rebounding fool. Riphide and Hacksaw will heal and are said to be serviceable. Or we could be toilet paper.
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We'll probably finish about the same as last year.
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I still think we will be a giant crap-show. Will we finish ahead of TT in the conference?
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I still think we will be a giant crap-show. Will we finish ahead of TT in the conference?
Doubt it
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i think we will finish 5th and go .500 next year. I think ISU and OSU are going to be super bad next year.
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i think we will finish 5th and go .500 next year. I think ISU and OSU are going to be super bad next year.
yeah, at this pt i think oscar has guaranteed himself at least 3 more years bc barring massive roster attrition we'll be abt the same next year and likely better the year after. so 2019-20 he can write of as having a "young" roster again. 2020-21 will the the real make or break year. or he'll retire.
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i think we will finish 5th and go .500 next year. I think ISU and OSU are going to be super bad next year.
yeah, at this pt i think oscar has guaranteed himself at least 3 more years bc barring massive roster attrition we'll be abt the same next year and likely better the year after. so 2019-20 he can write of as having a "young" roster again. 2020-21 will the the real make or break year. or he'll retire.
How in the hell are we going to be the same after losing a NBA draft pick and another guy who was arguably the best big man we've had in 25 years? Good programs don't always bounce back from that type of attrition.
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you're not fooling me, bookcat
i have no socks, bruh.
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How in the hell are we going to be the same after losing a NBA draft pick and another guy who was arguably the best big man we've had in 25 years? Good programs don't always bounce back from that type of attrition.
We're losing Michael Beasley?
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How in the hell are we going to be the same after losing a NBA draft pick and another guy who was arguably the best big man we've had in 25 years? Good programs don't always bounce back from that type of attrition.
We're losing Michael Beasley?
You missed that discussion, it's certainly on the top half of the basketball board, we had it like yesterday
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Wes was a solid college player, but I think he is getting drafted (if so) more on pro potential than on college production. His impact at K-State was solid, but it was the same for both his JR and SR seasons (3rd team level).
DJamer was very solid, but he never even got HM.
We return 2 guys that were all newcomer as FR (Wade and Brown). I think the impact of Wes and DJamer can be replaced at a base level with those 2, plus potentially solid guys like Kam, Sneed, and maybe Maurice. Its not like DJamer and Wes caused us to be a great defensive team and our offense was very up and down. There is plenty coming back, given decent improvement, that next year's team should be able to play at a .500 (ish) Big 12 level and be a bubble team (again).
Now, to go above and beyond that guys like Diarra or Love need to be impact guys, or somehow one of our 3 star recruits needs to be a Foster type, or we need to somehow land an impact JUCO or grad transfer with our final spot.
Either way I don't think its crazy to think we'll repeat this year's level of "success" with next year's team. I get that some Big 12 teams potentially could be better, but I think others have significant losses that could offset that. Also, while we may not repeat this year's road/neutral success (which was pretty solid), its reasonable that we should/could be better at home in Big 12 play.
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tobias certainly can't chat any worse.
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oh, it can definitely get worse
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oh, it can definitely get worse
I'm not saying that, but I think it's just as likely it just stays the same. It's the oscar way.
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i think we will finish 5th and go .500 next year. I think ISU and OSU are going to be super bad next year.
yeah, at this pt i think oscar has guaranteed himself at least 3 more years bc barring massive roster attrition we'll be abt the same next year and likely better the year after. so 2019-20 he can write of as having a "young" roster again. 2020-21 will the the real make or break year. or he'll retire.
How in the hell are we going to be the same after losing a NBA draft pick and another guy who was arguably the best big man we've had in 25 years? Good programs don't always bounce back from that type of attrition.
FAN hinted at it, but KSU's best big man in 25 years wasn't good enough to really elevate a team. (He also wasn't better than Massey or even Pasco, but still.)
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Also, I would not be surprised if we were 10-8 or 6-12 next season. Beyond that range I'd probably be surprised.
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oh, it can definitely get worse
:sdeek:
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oh, it can definitely get worse
I'm not saying that, but I think it's just as likely it just stays the same. It's the oscar way.
sorry, meant my chatting can get worse. i don't expect much to change next year results-wise in basketball in either direction
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You guys are pessimistic. We will be better than this past year. We should have a good record after conference play. That will scare the hell out of the Big.12. Sarcasm is fun.
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
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oh, it can definitely get worse
I'm not saying that, but I think it's just as likely it just stays the same. It's the oscar way.
sorry, meant my chatting can get worse. i don't expect much to change next year results-wise in basketball in either direction
I'll be walking 5-6 times the distance to get these 'cuts next year. Respect my effort you piece of crap.
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2017-18: Ihr Kampf
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Royals manager Buddy Bell once said "I'll never say it can't get worse"
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DNR 25 year discussion but I'd take :ck: over DJamer 100 times out of 100
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Tech, Osu and ISU will be worse - we could pick up 2 games there = 4
Texas will suck out loud us if Allen leaves = 2
Baylor will be down = 1
WVU and TCU sweep us = 0
OU will be better but Lon sis not emaw = 1
Self will find away to win the league but Oscar earns his extension in mhk = 1
So 9-9 and we lose to Jank in the 8-9 game and oscar gets a 5 deal that eventually puts him over $3M per.
We are picked 3rd in 2019, oscar overschedules and we end up 7th and wait for Myers to retire so the next JC can clean up the mess
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
Trust me you aren't missing anything
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
Trust me you aren't missing anything
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weird, i've never seen tbt in chat
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DNR 25 year discussion but I'd take :ck: over DJamer 100 times out of 100
Yeah, it's not even close
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DNR 25 year discussion but I'd take :ck: over DJamer 100 times out of 100
Yeah, it's not even close
Also DOB.
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i don't believe tobias can get worse, if this is an official poll.
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at chatting, i mean. obviously he can get worse at posting.
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
it's like in-game tweeting, but with an audience that gives a crap.
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
it's like in-game tweeting, but with an audience that gives a crap.
Hot take
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i don't believe tobias can get worse, if this is an official poll.
my only hope is that i can become the first person banned on there so we can end this charade
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Must suck having your only hope denied
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
it's like in-game tweeting, but with an audience that gives a crap.
Hot take
an audience of three, but very engaged.
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Gotcha. Chat isn't for me. Sorry guys.
it's like in-game tweeting, but with an audience that gives a crap.
Hot take
an audience of three, but very engaged.
An audience that nobody gives a crap about
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Sorry guys, inadvertent or not but throwing shade on _FAN just isn't gonna fly
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My issue with chat is I don't know how you can possibly watch two screens at once. Wherever I chat I miss like half of the game.
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that's one of the upsides tbh
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TV has been the second screen for me for as long as I can remember.
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ESPN has wichita State and ku in their early top 10 next year...strange I didn't see our cats in their top 25 ranking.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
We're going to miss the tournament again next year. Can we fire Oscar now?
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have some faith, ptolemy
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have some faith, ptolemy
Faith in what exactly?
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oscar is ready to take that next step
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
So Lunardi is suggesting we not only miss the tournament, but that we finish dead last in the Big 12? :flush:
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Dead last sounds about right. I think we might be better than Tech and Texas.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
So Lunardi is suggesting we not only miss the tournament, but that we finish dead last in the Big 12? :flush:
In year 6 of this crapshow, with 0 NCAA wins the previous 5.
"oscar is doing great, we need to keep him around so we don't get someone that sucks!"-wackycat
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He will be shitcanned in March 2018 thankfully.
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
So Lunardi is suggesting we not only miss the tournament, but that we finish dead last in the Big 12? :flush:
Yep.
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DNR 25 year discussion but I'd take :ck: over DJamer 100 times out of 100
Yeah, it's not even close
I personally prefer Beasley, but to each his own.
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welp i guess there's no reason to play the season now that "joey brackets" has spoken :rolleyes:
even though it's been proven that the guy doesn't know what he's talking about and is wrong more often than he's right when it comes to tournament team predictions :bawl:
too many debbie downers in this thread lately, why the hate? :confused: should the cats just send joey brackets a coaching contract? :flush:
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Gip was probably statistically a better player, and probably better in any event. Also, Kelly was really good, so was SR JO. Hell Massey and Sebrant were both good too. Love DJamer tho.
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i don't see why we'd be any worse than this year.
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i don't see why we'd be any worse than this year.
:don'tcare:
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology
So Lunardi is suggesting we not only miss the tournament, but that we finish dead last in the Big 12? :flush:
Yep.
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i spent the last 5 mins tryna construct arguments for why there's no way tech makes it or why texas will be better than us or how tcu could make such a big leap and just realized how pathetic the whole endeavor was and gave up.
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i don't see why we'd be any worse than this year.
If BU, OSU and ISU take a step back we will be relatively better.
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It's a sad state of affairs when our ability to "get better" is predicated on other teams getting worse.
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It's a sad state of affairs when our ability to "get better" is predicated on other teams getting worse.
That's the oscar Way
At least he "hopes" the other teams will be down
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It's a sad state of affairs when our ability to "get better" is predicated on other teams getting worse.
I don't think that is the case. Returning +60% of mins and most of the teams shooting, it wouldn't be shocking to see this team rise to 22+ ADJem is kenpom. Pushing them in the top 25.
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It's a sad state of affairs when our ability to "get better" is predicated on other teams getting worse.
I don't think that is the case. Returning +60% of mins and most of the teams shooting, it wouldn't be shocking to see this team rise to 22+ ADJem is kenpom. Pushing them in the top 25.
That's a different thing then. That's saying returners get better, new pieces are good, and we pass up teams because of that, not just because of their regression. At least it is to me.
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too many debbie downers in this thread lately, why the hate? :confused: should the cats just send joey brackets a coaching contract? :flush:
I'd take Lunardi over Oscar in a NY minute!
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A lot IMO depends on the recruits we land. We have a.good solid bunch, but it.seems we need a.player that is the get-it-done-stud guy. At times seem rudderless with no.real floor leader. Foster (frosh version) was the last consistent big scorer.
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who do you think is gonna be this year's cozy inn (tm) slider boy reno?
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I had a weird feeling today that kam is going to take a giant step forward next year.
Cbs should hire me tony romo style.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
That is my thought as well. I'm not going to get excited for not deflated by the anticipation of good or bad. I'm just going to let it unfold without too much investment.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
So far we know:
vs. Wazzu in Spokane
vs. Tulsa in Wichita
Las Vegas Inv with Xavier, Arizona State, and George Washington
Home vs SEC Challenge
Depending on a TBD game in Sprint Center it will be very similar to this past season.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
That is my thought as well. I'm not going to get excited for not deflated by the anticipation of good or bad. I'm just going to let it unfold without too much investment.
:lol: :lol: :lol:
No one would schedule them last year, it is more indicative of what other coaches think about playing K-State and the balance of risk and reward.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
So far we know:
vs. Wazzu in Spokane
vs. Tulsa in Wichita
Las Vegas Inv with Xavier, Arizona State, and George Washington
Home vs SEC Challenge
Depending on a TBD game in Sprint Center it will be very similar to this past season.
I would guess we wouldn't play a sprint center game since we're playing in intrust. The only time we've done both is when we were in the CBE.
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
So far we know:
vs. Wazzu in Spokane
vs. Tulsa in Wichita
Las Vegas Inv with Xavier, Arizona State, and George Washington
Home vs SEC Challenge
Depending on a TBD game in Sprint Center it will be very similar to this past season.
I would guess we wouldn't play a sprint center game since we're playing in intrust. The only time we've done both is when we were in the CBE.
We played at both in the 2011-12 season. K-State has played in KC every year since Sprint Center opened so why would we stop now?
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I'm withholding all comment until I see the non-con schedule. If it's the same Parkay spread as this year, that's a clear message of what Oscar thinks of the team.
So far we know:
vs. Wazzu in Spokane
vs. Tulsa in Wichita
Las Vegas Inv with Xavier, Arizona State, and George Washington
Home vs SEC Challenge
Depending on a TBD game in Sprint Center it will be very similar to this past season.
I would guess we wouldn't play a sprint center game since we're playing in intrust. The only time we've done both is when we were in the CBE.
We played at both in the 2011-12 season. K-State has played in KC every year since Sprint Center opened so why would we stop now?
Ah, the Alabama game, I forgot about that. They really shouldn't be giving away two Bramlage games unless the Sprint game will be one of those MEAC/SWAC games.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851836115753545728
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Also.
https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851830250942201856
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I'd like to know what percentage of high school players, good enough to play major college basketball, think they have a shot at making the NBA?
The majority of basketball players are not choosing a particular school for education. They're picking a school based upon exposure, highest bidder, coach, etc. The one and done rule is laughable in that it spits in the face of the term, "student athlete". It should be done away with immediately.
The second thing I feel should be done is to level the playing field. Since most basketball/football players are not picking schools for academic reasons, every team should be limited in the number of top players allowed on the roster. Spread out the talent and let's see which coaches are really that good. Let's give schools less motivation for cheating.
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You are kidding right? Socialism for college athletics?
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that seems like it'd be fair. hard to know anymore, if fair is even the goal.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851836115753545728
eff that, go play Wichita State. Playing and beating WSU would actually be something that oscar could do that people would care about. No one gives a crap about him beating Boston College, Rutgers, Cal, or Arizona State.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851836115753545728
eff that, go play Wichita State. Playing and beating WSU would actually be something that oscar could do that people would care about. No one gives a crap about him beating Boston College, Rutgers, Cal, or Arizona State.
Perhaps it is because I no longer live in the state, meaning I don't rub shoulders with WSU fans regularly, but I could care less about playing the Shockers. I would much rather play the other teams you mentioned.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851836115753545728
eff that, go play Wichita State. Playing and beating WSU would actually be something that oscar could do that people would care about. No one gives a crap about him beating Boston College, Rutgers, Cal, or Arizona State.
Perhaps it is because I no longer live in the state, meaning I don't rub shoulders with WSU fans regularly, but I could care less about playing the Shockers. I would much rather play the other teams you mentioned.
I don't live in Kansas either. You'd rather play an insignificant non tournament team than a top 15 in state opponent? There is literally no way you think that, not even you.
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https://twitter.com/KellisRobinett/status/851836115753545728
eff that, go play Wichita State. Playing and beating WSU would actually be something that oscar could do that people would care about. No one gives a crap about him beating Boston College, Rutgers, Cal, or Arizona State.
Perhaps it is because I no longer live in the state, meaning I don't rub shoulders with WSU fans regularly, but I could care less about playing the Shockers. I would much rather play the other teams you mentioned.
I don't live in Kansas either. You'd rather play an insignificant non tournament team than a top 15 in state opponent? There is literally no way you think that, not even you.
Now that they are in a different league it may be better, but I still think that a record vs specific conference opponents seem like better wins on the surface level. I would prefer we were playing teams out of conference in the top 50, but if not, at least from powerful basketball conferences where a direct comparison of win margin could be made with tourney level teams.
I also think playing a team that is from outside the state of Kansas gains us exposure to markets that aren't already very familiar with the KState brand / we can play in front of players families who live in other states.
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There are usually 16 or 17 noncons a season, there is no reason KSU and KU don't play home and home with WSU and especially now they are in a league that has the same number of NCAA titles as the Big 12
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A WSU contract makes sense now. We should do a 4 years deal with Bramlage-Sprint-Koch-Intrust and see how it goes.
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Would bet that he is looking to play a game in either Florida or the DMV area to give Kam or Barry a "home" game. He has done this for every player.
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I'm in favor of home and homes. Their home being Koch arena when the games are in Wichita. I can't see a reason why KSU doesn't go for it. It'd be great if KU would as well. I think KSU will have to take the lead on this one and maybe that will pressure KU into doing the same.
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I'm in favor of home and homes. Their home being Koch arena when the games are in Wichita. I can't see a reason why KSU doesn't go for it. It'd be great if KU would as well. I think KSU will have to take the lead on this one and maybe that will pressure KU into doing the same.
Either KSU will take the lead and sign a deal or the legislature will make a move like Iowa and mandate it (though I don't think that will happen if it hasn't happened yet).
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I don't think it will either. If I remember correctly Florida made it a law that Miami, FSU, and UF had to play each other in football.
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After a brief Google, perhaps it is just UF and FSU that are required. Learned a bit about the rivalry though. FSU was an all women's college until after WWII. Florida got most of the state funding and refused to play FSU without getting the lions share of the money. Choosing only to play Miami, their "natural" rival.
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I'm in favor of home and homes. Their home being Koch arena when the games are in Wichita. I can't see a reason why KSU doesn't go for it. It'd be great if KU would as well. I think KSU will have to take the lead on this one and maybe that will pressure KU into doing the same.
Either KSU will take the lead and sign a deal or the legislature will make a move like Iowa and mandate it (though I don't think that will happen if it hasn't happened yet).
A Big Four Classic type of set up would be fun, but it's tough to do with only 3 D1 schools in the state.
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Oscar won't schedule any non-con game he can't/won't be guaranteed to win. WSU does not fit that criteria. He needs to do that to succeed at the P5 level. He has shown that as long as he slouches toward the slightest hint of finishing in the top half of the conference, his $2+million honey pot continues uninterrupted because the admin and relevant donors do not care enough to expect and demand more.
It is what it is.
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Oscar won't schedule any non-con game he can't/won't be guaranteed to win. WSU does not fit that criteria. He needs to do that to succeed at the P5 level. He has shown that as long as he slouches toward the slightest hint of finishing in the top half of the conference, his $2+million honey pot continues uninterrupted because the admin and relevant donors do not care enough to expect and demand more.
It is what it is.
That's where the AD needs to step in like Currie did with football scheduling and make home and homes with P5 schools happen.
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South Carolina.
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Oscar won't schedule any non-con game he can't/won't be guaranteed to win. WSU does not fit that criteria. He needs to do that to succeed at the P5 level. He has shown that as long as he slouches toward the slightest hint of finishing in the top half of the conference, his $2+million honey pot continues uninterrupted because the admin and relevant donors do not care enough to expect and demand more.
It is what it is.
That's where the AD needs to step in like Currie did with football scheduling and make home and homes with P5 schools happen.
agreed. the more things that our new AD does like our old AD the better off our university will be.
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South Carolina.
If the cowards at the Big 12 and SEC offices actually became interested in ratings instead of coddling the coaches wittle feelings we would have that and other amazing matchups.
KSU vs. USC
WVU vs UK
ISU vs who cares, Alabama I guess
KU vs Mizzou
OSU vs Tennessee
OU vs Arkansas
UT vs Florida
Baylor vs Vandy
TCU versus whoever
Tech vs. A&M
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Only switch I would make would be Texas vs Tennessee.
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That would make for a lot of intrigue. Would definitely watch most of those games.
Agree with the switch FAN proposed.
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South Carolina.
ESPN, or whoever, needs to make this happen in the SEC-Big XII Challenge. Every year. I don't understand why we're always playing Mississippi or Tennessee. I thought playing Barnes this year would make me more interested. It didn't.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
I don't think WSU wants to play K-State or KU. Either way they are the little guy getting an upset or the little getting putting in their place. I think they are all talk, that is why our negotiations with them broke down a couple of years ago.
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I don't think there is any valid argument for saying WSU is a "little" anymore, at least by any sane person with knowledge of college basketball.
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I really don't care to play the shockers.. like at all. I don't even think I have a wsu friend I could razz about being a shocker fan
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I don't think there is any valid argument for saying WSU is a "little" anymore, at least by any sane person with knowledge of college basketball.
They are a quality program, but they still commuter school. Not a national brand.
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play angrytm
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They pay their coach more than we do.
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They pay their coach more than we do.
well he's been more successful the last 10 years so there you go. :frown:
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Texas is favorite for Mo Bamba. Six eleven with a 8 foot wingspan. If this happens, count two more losses.
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I don't think there is any valid argument for saying WSU is a "little" anymore, at least by any sane person with knowledge of college basketball.
They are a quality program, but they still commuter school. Not a national brand.
There are about five college basketball programs that are national brands. That's an absurd dismissal for a college basketball program. Should we be dismissive of UConn, Cincinnati, Louisville, Memphis, and Gonzaga too?
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
I don't think WSU wants to play K-State or KU. Either way they are the little guy getting an upset or the little getting putting in their place. I think they are all talk, that is why our negotiations with them broke down a couple of years ago.
Really? I always thought they were begging to get back into a contract with us (and obviously KU). Did something change?
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Only switch I would make would be Texas vs Tennessee.
Shouldn't texas play Arkansas? Old SWAC rematch.
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Only switch I would make would be Texas vs Tennessee.
Shouldn't texas play Arkansas? Old SWAC rematch.
I think Texas vs Barnes is more interesting right now. Though to be fair, the 10s of Texas basketball fans probably wouldn't be that exited.
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Only switch I would make would be Texas vs Tennessee.
Shouldn't texas play Arkansas? Old SWAC rematch.
I think Texas vs Barnes is more interesting right now. Though to be fair, the 10s of Texas basketball fans probably wouldn't be that exited.
Texas really doesn't deserve Shaka Smart.
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Only switch I would make would be Texas vs Tennessee.
Shouldn't texas play Arkansas? Old SWAC rematch.
I think Texas vs Barnes is more interesting right now. Though to be fair, the 10s of Texas basketball fans probably wouldn't be that exited.
Texas really doesn't deserve Shaka Smart.
They don't. He's my favorite non K-State coach.
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ATM and MU don't deserve to play the rivals they left - thankfully Self won't let it happen
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
I don't think WSU wants to play K-State or KU. Either way they are the little guy getting an upset or the little getting putting in their place. I think they are all talk, that is why our negotiations with them broke down a couple of years ago.
Really? I always thought they were begging to get back into a contract with us (and obviously KU). Did something change?
Fans yes. School? Pprobably not so much.
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
While what you say is certainly true, this game won't happen with oscar here. He isn't going to choose to let the in-state mid-major demonstrably prove how much better they are than his P5.
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
While what you say is certainly true, this game won't happen with oscar here. He isn't going to choose to let the in-state mid-major demonstrably prove how much better they are than his P5.
They aren't mid-major and they are undoubtedly a better program right now, he needs to chop them down. Like I said before, oscar needs them a hell of a lot more than 3G needs oscar. He could really use that pelt.
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South Carolina.
As for the Shockers, I'm an out of stater that totally wants that game being played every year. I'd rather play them than even a middle of the pack P5 bubble school. But other than doing this for the fans, I honestly don't see a reason for K-State to pursue it. Someone make the case.
When the series ended in the early 2000s we were trying to get WSU to do a 3 for 2 deal (3 in Bramlage, 2 at Koch) and they requested a home and home. Turgeon was their coach and they were just starting to get decent again. For us it seemed like a lose-lose, beat them and who cares because you are supposed to, lose and its a disaster. Of course at the time we were scuffling along as a program as well, so we had no case really.
Sine then, things have changed considerably and equal deal makes sense. WSU has been a Top 20 kenpom program for 6 straight years and has a Final 4 and a Sweet 16. They are now in one of the top 7-8 conferences in the country. We have 7 NCAAs in the last 10 years with an Elite 8.
The "lose-lose" argument simply isn't valid and I'm sure they would happily play a home and home with us.
While what you say is certainly true, this game won't happen with oscar here. He isn't going to choose to let the in-state mid-major demonstrably prove how much better they are than his P5.
Remember when ku had play wsu in the ncaa's, and wsu beat them by about a hundred????
That was so lol. We should play them bc it would be fun to have a good december game on the schedule, and if we lose it's no big deal.
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I doubt the shockers give 2 fucks about playing/beating kansas state, they have been the clearly better program for a while. It's ku they have a complex with because they largely share the same fans
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T-shirt?
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I doubt the shockers give 2 fucks about playing/beating kansas state, they have been the clearly better program for a while. It's ku they have a complex with because they largely share the same fans
Yeah, playing us is kind of lose-lose for them. If they win, who really cares? It's just oscar's Cats. If they lose, it really hurts them come tournament selection time, and they also have to hear about it from all of their K-State friends. I'd love to play them if we can make it happen, though.
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They aren't mid-major and they are undoubtedly a better program right now, he needs to chop them down. Like I said before, oscar needs them a hell of a lot more than 3G needs oscar. He could really use that pelt.
They are certainly a better program but a portion of the fanbase can either live in denial or not catch crap from their buds as long as we don't play them. oscar also doesn't go for quality pelts, he goes for quantity.
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I doubt the shockers give 2 fucks about playing/beating kansas state, they have been the clearly better program for a while. It's ku they have a complex with because they largely share the same fans
Yeah, playing us is kind of lose-lose for them. If they win, who really cares? It's just oscar's Cats. If they lose, it really hurts them come tournament selection time, and they also have to hear about it from all of their K-State friends. I'd love to play them if we can make it happen, though.
This is just wrong. Wichita State needs every rpi top 100 game it can get. Winning the AAC is apparently only worth a 6 seed, or a few slots better than winning the mvc. They'd be lucky to get to play us under any circumstance.
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Oh man
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/856987111509151744
https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/856989194358534144
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https://twitter.com/GoodmanESPN/status/856990301508042752
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I loled at this
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kam :ROFL:
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Can't u only do this once? That's why most do it after their junior years. Why now unless he isn't planning on sticking around after next year?
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He said he's doing it to get experience and evaluations or something and doesn't actually expect to get drafted.
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can do it any number of times.
I will say that every team needs an irrational confidence guy
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Only interesting if they signed with an agent. :buh-bye:
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Yeah, totally not worth talking about during combofanning season. :rolleyes:
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It was just weird how it came out like K-State or oscar didn't know about it.
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article146748699.html
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Sounds like oscar doesn't have much faith in Kamau's abilities
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Apparently Weber and staff have continued to recruit for next year, maybe because of this?
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I love Kam. He can do what he wants.
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Kellis Robinette wrote the other day he thinks we could finish high up in the conference. It will be nice to have player rotation. Mawap Mangoyle looks like a future monster. I read wainwright likes to drive the basket. Is that good or bad nowadays?
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I'd be surprised if there was any story here and I am actually surprised that Brown didn't do the same as Stokes. From the oscar quotes in that Eagle article, there appears to be nothing to see here. I suspect oscar generally wanted his players to not do what Kam is doing, but you can't blame these guys for doing it, even oscar can see this.
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I doubt the shockers give 2 fucks about playing/beating kansas state, they have been the clearly better program for a while. It's ku they have a complex with because they largely share the same fans
Yep, Wichita area is filled with ShockHawks.
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On the assumption that everyone who has a scholarship stays healthy, having a cadre of reserves.has positive. Claws can play more aggressive and will not have to play under the rim. I thought Deathbite and Flush got tired often and faded in games. Hopefully Wrainright and Diarra can play and keep.them fresh
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/df/13/90df135953391020bb983eae2e73b511.jpg)
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/90/df/13/90df135953391020bb983eae2e73b511.jpg)
Dayton, huh?
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If Weber does not have his best year ever as a Catcoach next year he should be canned. Not improve, but be the best. He will have a full deck of decent players that include three players listed as 4 stars as seniors. The addition of 3 new big men - Mantool, MoMeat, and Sidewinder should free Bullnuts, Claws and Sneedx to go with reckless abandon, and have fun and quit thinking so damn much.
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If Weber does not have his best year ever as a Catcoach next year he should be canned. Not improve, but be the best. He will have a full deck of decent players that include three players listed as 4 stars as seniors. The addition of 3 new big men - Mantool, MoMeat, and Sidewinder should free Bullnuts, Claws and Sneedx to go with reckless abandon, and have fun and quit thinking so damn much.
Haha, sarcasm is humorous.
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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I fully expect Stokes to be better than Clemente this year. Stokes takes 5 less shots a game, hits a higher % from three on two less per game, hits a higher free throw %, has the same number of assists per game, and played better defense than Clemente.
Stokes can create his own shot, Clemente could not.
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I fully expect Stokes to be better than Clemente this year. Stokes takes 5 less shots a game, hits a higher % from three on two less per game, hits a higher free throw %, has the same number of assists per game, and played better defense than Clemente.
Stokes can create his own shot, Clemente could not.
Stokes FR/SO comparo to Clemente JR/SR probably isn't quite fair, but still here you go:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F08%2FStokes-v-Clemente.png&hash=072f95789a84189719a0b60639901df5772ab7a9)
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I have no interest in embracing this stokes on a vegas casino floor.
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I fully expect Stokes to be better than Clemente this year. Stokes takes 5 less shots a game, hits a higher % from three on two less per game, hits a higher free throw %, has the same number of assists per game, and played better defense than Clemente.
Stokes can create his own shot, Clemente could not.
Are you trolling or completely serious? Clemente is 10x the player Stokes is. Denis turned the ball over a lot, but only half as much as Stokes does. You can't score when you don't have the ball. Denis is a better defender too. Quicker, better clutch player, actually made his layups and shots inside the arc, a better leader, and oh yeah, Denis is actually a PG.
He trippin' so much, fans gonna begin to think he done fell off!
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Denis is the greatest PG KSU has ever had.
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I fully expect Stokes to be better than Clemente this year. Stokes takes 5 less shots a game, hits a higher % from three on two less per game, hits a higher free throw %, has the same number of assists per game, and played better defense than Clemente.
Stokes can create his own shot, Clemente could not.
Stokes FR/SO comparo to Clemente JR/SR probably isn't quite fair, but still here you go:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2FgoEMAW.com%2Fblog%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2017%2F08%2FStokes-v-Clemente.png&hash=072f95789a84189719a0b60639901df5772ab7a9)
Stokes was shooting the ball really well before he hurt is toe and than tanked at the end of the year. If he cuts down his turnovers he is going to have a statical output even or better than Denis. But won't stress a defence in transition or at the end of the shot clock like Denis.
Big issue with next team is who do you want to have the ball at the end of the shot clock. It will be either Brown or Wade.
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
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IMO guard play got worse at the end of each game, and towards the end of the season. Why? Pooped.
When a guard gets tired their shots go flat, they make poor decision, and have no explosiveness to defend or drive. Dogbite was it for a subber. McSwish, Riphide, and Swampthing will provide relief that should keep Brown and Stokes fresh.
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
Frank took Denis and his crappy teammates to the Elite 8 the following year. I guess that would mean anything short of a final 4 next year for oscar is a complete failure. By the way, you are part of the problem dickbag.
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
They eff they did, JFC
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
Frank took Denis and his crappy teammates to the Elite 8 the following year. I guess that would mean anything short of a final 4 next year for oscar is a complete failure. By the way, you are part of the problem dickbag.
Dickbag. Did you just make that up. Thats really cool.
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
They eff they did, JFC
et tu Steve Dave?
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Deathbite should be better but not exponentially, also the only way you can compare Kam and Denis is by position. Kam needs to make better decisions. I think he will probably be given a run for his money especially if Cartier is as good as expected.
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I hope our transfer Forwards, big men get the ball alot more than our small ball guard set.
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You can also compare Stokes sophomore year with Clementes junior year in one key stat. Stokes team made it to the tournament.
They eff they did, JFC
et tu Steve Dave?
Some people are OK with mediocrity... Some aren't
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Well they definitely made the tournament, that's for sure. ;) #FACTS
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I like Stokes but he is no Denis
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Schedule makers again doing us no favors by throwing us into this tournament packed full of blue bloods
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197653279.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197653279.html)
The Paradise Jam, which will begin Nov. 16 in St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, announced its tournament field on Wednesday and the Wildcats are one of the few power-conference teams on the bracket. K-State will join Eastern Kentucky, Kennesaw State, Missouri, Northern Iowa, Old Dominion, Oregon State and Pennsylvania at the early season event.
“This is a really competitive tournament,” K-State coach oscar Weber said, “that includes a number of quality, historically-strong programs like Missouri, Northern Iowa, Old Dominion and Oregon State.”
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Can't wait. Trying to convince Mrs Wacky into going. It's going to be great!
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This is bart ray-gun's operation:
All the games of the Paradise Jam will stream live on FloHoops at www.FloHoops.com. To access the live event coverage and replays of the tournament, users must sign up to become FloPRO subscribers on FloHoops.com.
:lol:
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In good news I guess; a FloHoops.com stream can't be much worse the the ESPN ones.
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Sorry for garbage 247 link.
https://247sports.com/college/wake-forest/Board/103621/Contents/FloHoops-110568892
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Schedule makers again doing us no favors by throwing us into this tournament packed full of blue bloods
http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197653279.html (http://www.kansas.com/sports/college/big-12/kansas-state/article197653279.html)
The Paradise Jam, which will begin Nov. 16 in St. Thomas, U.S. Virgin Islands, announced its tournament field on Wednesday and the Wildcats are one of the few power-conference teams on the bracket. K-State will join Eastern Kentucky, Kennesaw State, Missouri, Northern Iowa, Old Dominion, Oregon State and Pennsylvania at the early season event.
“This is a really competitive tournament,” K-State coach oscar Weber said, “that includes a number of quality, historically-strong programs like Missouri, Northern Iowa, Old Dominion and Oregon State.”
Coachspeak 101 from oscar.
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That's exactly the type of tournament a conference favorite should play in.