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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pete on February 28, 2016, 05:50:37 PM
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Everyone knows that big time college basketball is about wins and losses...performance first.
However, when you hit the "tough times," it sure would be great to have a coach who you didn't think was a an awkward, excuse-making, loathsome dork of a man.
I wish the K-State fans had a men's basketball coach they could admire, and that people respected. Like, truly respected, and didn't simply give pitiful mercy complements to. The rest of the conference is praying we have oscar forever. I would too, if I were a KU fan, for example. Most KU fans I know think it's hilarious that oscar Weber is our coach. That doesn't feel very good.
It seems like K-State fans deserve better than oscar Weber, but maybe I am wrong. Maybe K-State fans deserve oscar Weber.
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Pete, I think that'd be just swell.
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What would it be like to think about the K-State men's basketball coach and have a feeling of "That's our guy?" Would that be great? I think it would be great.
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I would settle for enjoying watching the games again and wanting to go to a game again.
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I would settle for enjoying watching the games again and wanting to go to a game again.
I can't muster the motivation to go, currently.
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Same, but could be convinced with almost any coach change.
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I agree
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Honestly, during times like this I'd rather not like the coach. It's hard to root for somebody you like to lose his job.
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This is honestly better for my budget. Now I can just buy football tickets and not worry about basketball tickets. My heart says new coach, but my budget says STAY oscar!
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we do deserve oscar weber. that much is obvious.
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Honestly, during times like this I'd rather not like the coach. It's hard to root for somebody you like to lose his job.
True. For whatever reason I liked Jim which caused me to have way too much patience with him. It was easy to decide that Tom and oscar needed to go.
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I wish there were a hot young Yordano Ventura-ish person who was smart at basketball we could hire to replace oscar. It would be so fun.
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This is honestly better for my budget. Now I can just buy football tickets and not worry about basketball tickets. My heart says new coach, but my budget says STAY oscar!
Agreed. I just saved just under $900 by not renewing my basketball tickets for next year.
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You wanna know the crazy part? Some of our fans genuinely IRL like oscar. They buy into his BS. That baffles me. It drives me up the friggin' wall I tell ya
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You wanna know the crazy part? Some of our fans genuinely IRL like oscar. They buy into his BS. That baffles me. It drives me up the friggin' wall I tell ya
Sadly, that was me up to about early December.
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And you know what Canary? That's ok because we all know you're one cool cat. But now that we see how bad he is at coaching the fact that he's completely socially awkward and kind of a dick to his players is magnified. Like, if we were on our way to another 4 seed coming off a sweet 16, we'd be like "man that dude with the weird voice says some dumb weird crap but hey he's winning so whatevs"
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I wish there were a hot young Yordano Ventura-ish person who was smart at basketball we could hire to replace oscar. It would be so fun.
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I hate that he stands 8 feet on the court with his arms crossed.
I hate that he stands 8 feet on the court holding his hands in front of him.
I hate that the only mammals that understand his whiny voice are dogs and dolphins.
I hate that he ran like a dork up and down the coaches box Saturday.
And I really hate that KSU loses a lot when he's running the team.
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I agree Stryker.
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Honestly, during times like this I'd rather not like the coach. It's hard to root for somebody you like to lose his job.
True. For whatever reason I liked Jim which caused me to have way too much patience with him. It was easy to decide that Tom and oscar needed to go.
By the time we had Wooly it'd been so long since we had a good team that we didn't know any better.
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Honestly the thing that I really dislike the most is the way opposing coaches fall all over themselves to compliment him. It is in every Big 12 coach's damn script.
Guess what, that is not a good thing when you are getting beat.
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I don't like they lack of responsibility. I don't mind coaches pointing out when players need to play better, but ultimately oscar is responsible. Every time he takes responsibility he seems to add some qualifier or a "I guess". This drives me nuts.
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I still like Jim :dunno:
Is he successful at anything? I'd like ksu to hire him for that if he is
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I still like Jim :dunno:
Is he successful at anything? I'd like ksu to hire him for that if he is
Not really. He resigned as UCR's basketball coach, then became AD, then resigned from that. He's now AD at an even smaller school.
http://rccathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150723acvqgy
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What about like media relations, I bet he'd be great at that
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I still like Jim :dunno:
Is he successful at anything? I'd like ksu to hire him for that if he is
Serious posts only please.
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What about like media relations, I bet he'd be great at that
He's killing it at being a silver haired fox
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I still like Jim :dunno:
Is he successful at anything? I'd like ksu to hire him for that if he is
Not really. He resigned as UCR's basketball coach, then became AD, then resigned from that. He's now AD at an even smaller school.
http://rccathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150723acvqgy
I was in la last spring and I met a gentleman who worked in the ucr administration office and apparently he quit because he took a stance against the ucr president. It was seemingly a noble act and even inside the university administration he was popular and well respected for taking a stance against the UP.
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I still like Jim :dunno:
Is he successful at anything? I'd like ksu to hire him for that if he is
Not really. He resigned as UCR's basketball coach, then became AD, then resigned from that. He's now AD at an even smaller school.
http://rccathletics.com/sports/mbkb/2015-16/releases/20150723acvqgy
I was in la last spring and I met a gentleman who worked in the ucr administration office and apparently he quit because he took a stance against the ucr president. It was seemingly a noble act and even inside the university administration he was popular and well respected for taking a stance against the UP.
Cool. Good for Jim.
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if we hired him to ad kstate, would he hire underwood?
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I bet he would
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then we should hire him.
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Kstate sports is really boring now.
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Kstate sports is really boring now.
Just wait till we lose to TCU, it will pick up.
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Oh it could be very exciting, but Tuck Nation and John Currie are going to BID Wooly Style.
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Oh it could be very exciting, but Tuck Nation and John Currie are going to BID Wooly Style.
Sad, but true.
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_BBB, or someone else, take the DOOM logo that k-statesports has started using, turn it upside down, add the word "UNDER" in front of it, and it will spell Underwood. Bring back Underwood, bring back Doom type of thing. Spitballing here.
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_BBB, or someone else, take the DOOM logo that k-statesports has started using, turn it upside down, add the word "UNDER" in front of it, and it will spell Underwood. Bring back Underwood, bring back Doom type of thing. Spitballing here.
Yes!
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Just cease and dismiss them on the Doom stuff.
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meowx2, that was a great idea.
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well that is a delight
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:excited:
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oh my :surprised:
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nice work _BBB :love:
need this on the fire oscar website, or it's own website.
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KSU_BBB is so good at computers
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It is fantastic. But, it would be awesome if you could make the doom spin to be upside down...really hammer home the "hey that's the same word upside down" thing.
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Great idea meow meow :thumbs:
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_BBB and meow meow better trademark the crap out of that. Are there any TM attorneys on this blog?!
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A "bring back Underwood, bring back the Doom" chant would be nice at fOOD tomorrow night since our admin really loves a good chant.
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:love:
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:thumbs:
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Well, that is fantastic.
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Any traction on "one nation under wood"?
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what about "freight house"?
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Wood shed?
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Any traction on "one nation under wood"?
:love:
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is there another (read: better) coach that has "wood" in his name that you can use this idea for?
brad underwood is not the answer for kansas state. i'm sorry to break it to you guys but no. the guy was coaching juco ball at Daytona Beach Community College before sitting on frank's bench.
if currie were to run oscar in the near term, our next coach has to be a long term solution. we can't continue to churn hc's. a more proven winner is prudent at this time and there's no reason to settle for underwood. a big concern is his ability to recruit at kansas state cats.
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Who's your guy, clams?
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i'm open to suggestions, don't really have a guy because i don't envision oscar going anywhere but i know this program is more attractive than the credit some of you are giving it
we have great facilities and tradition and a fanbase that can turn it on like a lightswitch once they don't hate their coach, and we're in the best conference in the country.
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Sean Woods (Morehead State)
Derek KelLOG (UMass)
Eric MussELMan (Nevada)
Steve FIsheR (SDSU)
I know one or two of these are kind of a stretch. At least on the wood/name part.
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Clams is 'bashing
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Look at Kevin Keatts UNCW.
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I understand the concerns with Brad, especially the recruiting part. Going from SFA to K-State is a jump.
I don't think he's a reach though. I think he can coach and he should have enough ties to get some solid recruiters as assistants.
I mean, I don't think he's Kim Anderson part 2 at all.
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I mean, I don't think he's Kim Anderson part 2 at all.
maybe. maybe not. too risky. like i said, we can't afford to be wrong again.
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:surprised: Retweeted by Fitz!
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He is going to get so PI'ed on Wabash.
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Sean Woods (Morehead State)
Derek KelLOG (UMass)
Eric MussELMan (Nevada)
Steve FIsheR (SDSU)
I know one or two of these are kind of a stretch. At least on the wood/name part.
the log guy might be worth looking into
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Sean Woods (Morehead State)
Derek KelLOG (UMass)
Eric MussELMan (Nevada)
Steve FIsheR (SDSU)
I know one or two of these are kind of a stretch. At least on the wood/name part.
the log guy might be worth looking into
I am trying to figure out how I can make 'Hammes' work.
Gonna win 'em all! (using Tapatalk)
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Its worth supporting Underwood just because meow meow's idea works perfectly.
Also, because Garth loves me now!
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THAT'S THE ONE!
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@ me _BBB, I want Garth to love me too.
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If you can solve this puzzle you will figure out one of the coaches I want. Good luck!
Wood
Brad
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If you can solve this puzzle you will figure out one of the coaches I want. Good luck!
Wood
Brad
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
I would too. But opposite.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Which would you prefer?
See, this is tough for me because I do not like oscar Weber at all, and can't really root for the Cats as long as he is the coach. If you don't suffer from that affliction, then you might be having an easier time of this.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
If you knew Brad's trajectory would be 15-15-20-27 wins 4 years ago would you have hired him or oscar?
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
If oscar had a normal career, yeah, but he's all over the place. And his previous job mirrors what he's done at K-State too much. Its not a guarantee that it ends the same, but from what we've seen the last two years, his trajectory doesn't look good at all. And its "proven" from past performance.
Of course Brad is a wildcard of sorts, no doubt. But he has a sustained record of success at his current lower D1 level and he's coached in this program while it was successful recently. That is enough for me to give him a shot at this job.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward? At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:
98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)
Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons
For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)
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oscar has gone to the ncaa's in 8 of his 13 seasons? pas mal!
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward? At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:
98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)
Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons
For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)
Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward? At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:
98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)
Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons
For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)
Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???
jesus you are purposefully obtuse. quit acting like there's no similarity to Illinois and KSU.
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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.
Gut feeling?
That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.
Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.
Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward? At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:
98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)
Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons
For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)
Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???
jesus you are purposefully obtuse. quit acting like there's no similarity to Illinois and KSU.
I see the similarity. I can't ignore that the conclusion doesn't follow.
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so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?
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so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?
My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.
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"the year five oscar weber principle"
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Fire Currie and then
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so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?
My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.
it's based on oscar failing in Illinois.
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and getting fired for it.
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so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?
My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.
it's based on oscar failing in Illinois.
One data point, then?
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How many data points do we have?
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How many data points do we have?
One. But we're apparently disregarding it. Because it's the most correlative point we have. Instead we're going on Chum-Gut.
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I guess we have 4 years at kstate as a data point too
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we do deserve oscar weber. that much is obvious.
The right fit.
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
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30-40% of the time for oscar is ignoring the 8-13 data point.
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
This would be fine with me if oscar had a remotely likable personality and didn't constantly have Brucecuses when his teams fail.
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
I would argue that oscar's record moving forward would be, AT BEST, average - i.e. better than Asbury/wooly/altman but worse than Hartman/Krueger/Martin. There's not evidence that suggests Brad would be any worse than average - and not acknowledging that is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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weber doesn't have to be a bad coach, or even "deserve" to be fired in order to fire him. there's only one kstate men's bball coach job in the world, and no one is entitled to keep it based on inertia. underwood is a better fit, a better coach, and a better human. just as there is only one kstate men's bball coach job, there's only one kstate alum, former successful high-major assistant, current unprecedentedly successful low-major coach in the world. we cannot afford to let him coach elsewhere.
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
I would argue that oscar's record moving forward would be, AT BEST, average - i.e. better than Asbury/wooly/altman but worse than Hartman/Krueger/Martin. There's not evidence that suggests Brad would be any worse than average - and not acknowledging that is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
Theoretically, he has a 50% chance of being below average. Most coaches that are elevated to P5 jobs have similar, or even better resumes.
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chum1 does this every time we talk about oscar, it's best just to ignore him. I understand what he's saying, but think he's being dishonest by way of omission. He says that there is not enough data to judge in this particular case what oscar is going to do, BUT what he doesn't say is that applied to the rest of all the other coaches in the NCAA, that's pretty much true for every other man/woman as well. People don't get second chances at the same level all that often, nor do many tend to move around if they're doing well. To act like oscar is some unknowable enigma by analyzing the stats is fine, but I think there needs to be a disclaimer that he considers ALL prognostication regarding the future results of ANY college coach invalid.
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weber doesn't have to be a bad coach, or even "deserve" to be fired in order to fire him. there's only one kstate men's bball coach job in the world, and no one is entitled to keep it based on inertia. underwood is a better fit, a better coach, and a better human. just as there is only one kstate men's bball coach job, there's only one kstate alum, former successful high-major assistant, current unprecedentedly successful low-major coach in the world. we cannot afford to let him coach elsewhere.
If you're going to do this, your guy should be Lon.
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If you're going to do this, your guy should be Lon.
don't you dare condescend to me, chum1.
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Most coaches that are elevated to P5 jobs have similar, or even better resumes.
that's really not true.
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Most coaches that are elevated to P5 jobs have similar, or even better resumes.
that's really not true.
Yeah, he was like the 2nd winningest coach of all time in his first two years. So, there is at least one qualification that is only really topped by one other candidate, ever.
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
Average just isn't good enough. oscar's ceiling is average so fire him and give someone else a shot. If the next guy can't do better, fire him and try again and again and again until we get a winner and then hold on as long as we can. If that guy is Brad then great. Anyone that's okay with average is part of the problem.
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Underwood IS a likable coach, and as such, I don't see him selling his soul.
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Chum1 seems unwilling to address the consumption value of the head coach's persona.
For example, I regard oscar as a turd. This provides a negative consumption value for me, which when added to his average (AT BEST) coaching chops, leaves me with a well below average evaluation of oscar relative to available alternatives. For me.
So, you can correlate this and that or not or whatever. oscar is dog crap, bro.
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pete, you're worth five (5) data points to me
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Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.
If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar. I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.
Average just isn't good enough. oscar's ceiling is average so fire him and give someone else a shot. If the next guy can't do better, fire him and try again and again and again until we get a winner and then hold on as long as we can. If that guy is Brad then great. Anyone that's okay with average is part of the problem.
Well, this is the conventional way AD's operate. However, if you want stable cash flow and a clean image, well, oscar can give you that.
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oscar factoid: oscar has led his team to the ncaa tournament 11 times in 18 chances as a head coach
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Most coaches that are elevated to P5 jobs have similar, or even better resumes.
that's really not true.
Yeah, he was like the 2nd winningest coach of all time in his first two years. So, there is at least one qualification that is only really topped by one other candidate, ever.
He's at a much lower level than most people who jump to p5 conferences. He also took over a better situation than most. So it's not a stretch to assume he's an average candidate.
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I'm pretty neutral on oscar's persona. I definitely lean toward being positive about it, though. For me, boring is bad. He's often boring, but not always. It's awesome that he'll say crap like we'd be in the tournament if we were in a different league. Brucecuses are amusing because of how people get genuinely offended by them. That's about all that comes to mind right now.
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I enjoy that I don't think he ever really wanted to be a basketball coach and somehow goofed his way to the top.
I think his brand of basketball is pretty boring though.
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Most coaches that are elevated to P5 jobs have similar, or even better resumes.
that's really not true.
Yeah, he was like the 2nd winningest coach of all time in his first two years. So, there is at least one qualification that is only really topped by one other candidate, ever.
He's at a much lower level than most people who jump to p5 conferences. He also took over a better situation than most. So it's not a stretch to assume he's an average candidate.
I agree, just trying to present a counterpoint.
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i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.
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i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.
That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.
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oscar factoid: oscar has led his team to the ncaa tournament 11 times in 18 chances as a head coach
Northwestern should really aggressively go after oscar.
i would think that going to the ncaa tournament 60% of the time would be more than acceptable by most cats fan's standards versus hiring a guy who has never coached at this level and potentially setting our program back to the stone age.
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oscar factoid: oscar has led his team to the ncaa tournament 11 times in 18 chances as a head coach
Northwestern should really aggressively go after oscar.
i would think that going to the ncaa tournament 60% of the time would be more than acceptable by most cats fan's standards versus hiring a guy who has never coached at this level and potentially setting our program back to the stone age.
What if I told you that oscar won't make it to the tournament 60% of the time, it'd be more like 40%?
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oscar factoid: oscar has led his team to the ncaa tournament 11 times in 18 chances as a head coach
Northwestern should really aggressively go after oscar.
i would think that going to the ncaa tournament 60% of the time would be more than acceptable by most cats fan's standards versus hiring a guy who has never coached at this level and potentially setting our program back to the stone age.
What if I told you that oscar won't make it to the tournament 60% of the time, it'd be more like 40%?
well i guess if you're going to ignore the data points and stuff that's your prerogative
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Data. Do with it what you want.
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Data. Do with it what you want.
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60% is pretty conspicuously missing from that table. The traject-o-meter could not be more clear. oscar is losing his edge at being mediocre.
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i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.
That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.
i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability. i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.
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Total wins/conference wins
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i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.
That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.
i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability. i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.
Asbury had a great conference record at pepperdine while he was there because he hit the lottery jackpot with doug christie who played four years for Asbury before going on to a fifteen year nba career. brad doesn't have a guy like that, is putting up better numbers and is at least known to not be a complete unmotivated loser of a human.
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at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while
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i don't think there's anything reasonable in assuming it's easier to win at sfa than it is at george mason, siena or pepperdine.
That's fair, there's a ton of variability at play. However, you also can't assume that a coach winning 98% of conference games in three years will perform better at a high major than a coach who won 78% of conference games over six years at Pepperdine. Again, too much variability.
i bet there's a ton of signal in that variability. i'm not going to look for it, but i'd be amazed if it isn't there.
Asbury had a great conference record at pepperdine while he was there because he hit the lottery jackpot with doug christie who played four years for Asbury before going on to a fifteen year nba career. brad doesn't have a guy like that, is putting up better numbers and is at least known to not be a complete unmotivated loser of a human.
All this Asbury talk led me to this gem!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZXWiTtJCg
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at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while
new board rule: everyone love brad underwood. smdh
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Lon is so much better.
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at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while
new board rule: everyone love brad underwood. smdh
I am in a strange spot. I am not super enthusiastic about Brad, but I loathe oscar and I think there data to suggest oscar is failing here at KSU. I will generally err on the side of taking a risk to push out a known failure, and Brad would be a huge risk. Maybe I will just argue with everyone. That actually sounds like fun, I understand why people do it.
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All this Asbury talk led me to this gem!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZXWiTtJCg
Clicked on that, instantly wondered if that was our "jeffy," clicked his profile and saw the #1 subscription was to the dave ramsey show.
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Lon is so much better.
That's an interesting comparo that leads me back to thinking about how unreliable lower level results are as predictors at a higher level. Lon actually had a losing record at UTPA and only had one good season. I think it's safe to say UTPA under Lon was competing at a similar level as Brad is at SFA.
Is it reasonable to expect Brad to perform better than Kruger?
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Lon is so much better.
That's an interesting comparo that leads me back to thinking about how unreliable lower level results are as predictors at a higher level. Lon actually had a losing record at UTPA and only had one good season. I think it's safe to say UTPA under Lon was competing at a similar level as Brad is at SFA.
Is it reasonable to expect Brad to perform better than Kruger?
I am not sure how much you stock you can put in what a guy did at low major in the mid 80s, there was no 3 point line, no AAU, no tv at all for low majors, etc.
Brad definitely got a good gig at SFA but his winning percentage proves he can get the most out of his players, it's not like Nacogdoches has some kind of local talent advantage over the rest of his league other than being only 2 hrs from the elite city of Beaumont.
oscar has proven he can recruit at least NCAA level talent to MHK even if he can't keep them and he has done it with a staff of recruiters that I think Brad could easily match. Hell, just getting a fresher AAU guy from Texas will likely pay immediate dividends.
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kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors
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kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors
I didn't even know we had seniors on the youngest team in the galaxy.
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kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors
I remember when Wooly didn't even play Ivan Sulic one second on senior night.
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at least we have contrarians back again, I thought too many people were on the same side there for a while
new board rule: everyone love brad underwood. smdh
I am in a strange spot. I am not super enthusiastic about Brad, but I loathe oscar and I think there data to suggest oscar is failing here at KSU. I will generally err on the side of taking a risk to push out a known failure, and Brad would be a huge risk. Maybe I will just argue with everyone. That actually sounds like fun, I understand why people do it.
Can I interest you in a bit of King Rice?
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kinda surprised he didn't start his seniors
I didn't even know we had seniors on the youngest team in the galaxy.
Hearing Stan try to spin the graphic that essentially has us as the 6th youngest team in the conference was hilarious.
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Data. Do with it what you want.
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Last 9: 44% NCAAs
Last 4: 50% NCAAs
Data. Do with it what you want.
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Data. Do with it what you want.
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Last 9: 44% NCAAs
Last 4: 50% NCAAs
Data. Do with it what you want.
Improvement!
Give oscar the extension boys.
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we just beat TCU guys, enjoy the moment!
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Data. Do with it what you want.
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Last 9: 44% NCAAs
Last 4: 50% NCAAs
Data. Do with it what you want.
Improvement!
Give oscar the extension boys.
If you're willing to accept that your numbers show a downward trend, why wouldn't you also accept that my numbers show an upward trend?
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If you're willing to accept that your numbers show a downward trend, why wouldn't you also accept that my numbers show an upward trend?
They don't pass my "eye test".