HOW GREAT WOULD IT BE TO HAVE A LIKABLE BASKETBALL COACH?

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If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

I would too.  But opposite.

[Pete]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Which would you prefer?


See, this is tough for me because I do not like oscar Weber at all, and can't really root for the Cats as long as he is the coach.  If you don't suffer from that affliction, then you might be having an easier time of this. 

[#LIFE]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

If you knew Brad's trajectory would be 15-15-20-27 wins 4 years ago would you have hired him or oscar?

[catzacker]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

[chum1]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

[kso_FAN]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

If oscar had a normal career, yeah, but he's all over the place. And his previous job mirrors what he's done at K-State too much. Its not a guarantee that it ends the same, but from what we've seen the last two years, his trajectory doesn't look good at all. And its "proven" from past performance.

Of course Brad is a wildcard of sorts, no doubt. But he has a sustained record of success at his current lower D1 level and he's coached in this program while it was successful recently. That is enough for me to give him a shot at this job.

[catzacker]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward?  At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:

98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)

Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons

For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)

[pissclams]

oscar has gone to the ncaa's in 8 of his 13 seasons?  pas mal!

[chum1]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward?  At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:

98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)

Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons

For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)

Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???

[catzacker]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward?  At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:

98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)

Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons

For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)

Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???

jesus you are purposefully obtuse.  quit acting like there's no similarity to Illinois and KSU.

[chum1]

If I were to place a bet on who would be more successful at Kansas State starting next year and going forward, I'd bet on oscar over Brad.

Gut feeling?

That would be based oscar's overall performance (wins, tournaments, championships, etc.) vs. that of average for D1 coaches.

Expecting Brad to perform better than oscar, on the other hand, IS based on gut feeling. Maybe that's my point.

Wouldn't you want to gage what oscar would do from this point forward?  At Illinois, after his fourth year, oscar was:

98-73 (.573), 41-49 (.456)

Overall, at KSU and Illinois, oscar was/is 287-153 (.652), 125-99 (.558), he's missed the NCAA in 5 of 13 seasons

For grins and giggles, Frank at KSU was: 117-54 (.684), 50-32 (.610)

Not unless there is a reason to do so suggested by data. Maybe coaches tend to get complacent after year four. ???

jesus you are purposefully obtuse.  quit acting like there's no similarity to Illinois and KSU.

I see the similarity. I can't ignore that the conclusion doesn't follow.

[catzacker]

so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking? 

[chum1]

so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?

My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.

[pissclams]

"the year five oscar weber principle"

[EMAWmeister]

Fire Currie and then

[catzacker]

so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?

My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.

it's based on oscar failing in Illinois.

[catzacker]

and getting fired for it.

[chum1]

so your point is that there are no valid points for why someone would think oscar would suck the rest of his time here even though the only other valid comparison to oscar's situation now is the one he was in at Illinois where he ended up sucking?

My point is that that conclusion is based on gut feeling and little else.

it's based on oscar failing in Illinois.

One data point, then?

[wetwillie]

How many data points do we have?

[catzacker]

How many data points do we have?

One.  But we're apparently disregarding it.  Because it's the most correlative point we have.  Instead we're going on Chum-Gut.

[wetwillie]

I guess we have 4 years at kstate as a data point too

[Trim]

we do deserve oscar weber.  that much is obvious.

The right fit.

[michigancat]

Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.

If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar.  I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.

[pissclams]

30-40% of the time for oscar is ignoring the 8-13 data point.

[kso_FAN]

Chum1's not really wrong. I think oscar can sustain a program that gets to the tournament 30-40% of the time, which is probably above average for even a P5 coach, especially when you take out coaches from non-blue bloods.

If you knew nothing about Brad, (including his record), you could safely assume he would be worse than oscar.  I've long subscribed to the thought that a complete unknown is better than a shitty "known", but in oscar's case he is more average than shitty which creates an interesting dilemma. In a way, keeping oscar is a ballsy unconventional way of thinking that is sort of compelling.

This would be fine with me if oscar had a remotely likable personality and didn't constantly have Brucecuses when his teams fail.