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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on January 02, 2016, 02:01:55 PM
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The freshmen did all they could to carry this thing, but mistakes (TOs) from returners did us in. We can't have Edwards and Westicles combine for 10 TOs in key situations really hurt us. Plus we just couldn't defend Paige.
Also,
0-11 from 3 in the 2nd half and OTs.
41% on FTs in the 1st.
These are the losses I remember when we are on the bubble or in the NIT (or worse).
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Wes and Edwards did not lead. Hated to lose this game.
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Didn't watch, how effectively did oscar use his time outs?
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Also for the first time I thought wade looked lost for much of the game. Very tentative and unsure looking.
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Wes and Edwards did not lead. Hated to lose this game.
Yes, ultimately this was key for this loss. Wes' back to back TOs when Huggs switched to zone when the Cats led by 6 or 8 really stand out to me.
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On one play in particular Wes had the ball with five seconds on the shot clock. He held it until 2 and then passed where wvu easily blocked the shot. I'm not bagging on him, but I expected better.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
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It does. Another gE-we came down and mentioned that to me.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
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Edwards not being able to be on the floor at the end of regulation and most of OT is not encouraging for the rest of the season. Barry making plays is
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
One was extremely bad and one was very slow on his calls. It was inconsistent from start to finish.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
a little worse than a typical WVU type game, they had trouble with who was last to touch a ball out of bounds and the reviews took forever. as a I said in chat it was a flash back to the JYC glory days when we would leave teams going coulda woulda shoulda after winning an ugly game on the road
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
Yes. It was ridiculous
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The goaltending call was textbook, and the crowd let the refs know. Otherwise, just frustrating because the refs literally could have called a foul on every shot and did so seemingly without any rhyme or reason.
On average the calls went both ways, though. Just really easy to see we should have had 2 more points than we did.
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https://twitter.com/TrimGoEMAW/status/683377695825121281
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
They were bad in general on easy to see things. They called WV for a goaltend call early that wasn't close to a goaltend. Then they missed one that was obvious late 1st half.
1 guy called a charge on us when the WV player was 2 feet inside the arc under goal. Luckily another ref overruled him and called block. All 3 refs really struggled with the speed/quickness that a Big 12 game possesses. At times it looked like good HS refs trying to officiate a college game
WV plays more aggressively so I think if you watched the game neutral, you would think they got more of the calls.
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Can anyone explain to me how the refs decided it was K State ball with 4.1 seconds left on that DJamer "tip" ball. Then they reversed the call, but changed the clock to 4.6?
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Can anyone explain to me how the refs decided it was K State ball with 4.1 seconds left on that DJamer "tip" ball. Then they reversed the call, but changed the clock to 4.6?
I can't explain it but it took ten minutes for them to figure it out.
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1) Poor early FT mentioned. Also poor Def Rebounding early (they had 8 ORs to our 4 DRs at one pt). Much better job DR% in 2nd half.
2) we did a great job for most of game limiting our TOs.
3) I didn't like our effort on Defense. WV will get their share of ORs, but allowing almost 61% on 2pt (29-48) isn't good. And it's not like they got 10 easy lay ups because of their press
4) Edwards got benched and can't say I blame that decision. Wes had 7 TOs but he at least made some plays in the 2nd half.
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Can anyone explain to me how the refs decided it was K State ball with 4.1 seconds left on that DJamer "tip" ball. Then they reversed the call, but changed the clock to 4.6?
This is a problem CBB has. Reviews need to be on a time limit. They looked at replay and determined DJamer did not touch ball. They should have looked right then and there what the clock should be. They didn't because they were clueless. So during a TO, they went back a 2nd time and looked at replay...and then saw an angle where DJamer touched ball.
It was pretty easy to see clock should have been 4.6 seconds no matter who had the ball. What's BS is that took 2 long reviews to decide what to do. It should have taken 90 seconds to decide that the original replay didn't show DJamer touched ball and 4.6 left when ball hit out of bounds
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Can anyone explain to me how the refs decided it was K State ball with 4.1 seconds left on that DJamer "tip" ball. Then they reversed the call, but changed the clock to 4.6?
This is a problem CBB has. Reviews need to be on a time limit. They looked at replay and determined DJamer did not touch ball. They should have looked right then and there what the clock should be. They didn't because they were clueless. So during a TO, they went back a 2nd time and looked at replay...and then saw an angle where DJamer touched ball.
It was pretty easy to see clock should have been 4.6 seconds no matter who had the ball. What's BS is that took 2 long reviews to decide what to do. It should have taken 90 seconds to decide that the original replay didn't show DJamer touched ball and 4.6 left when ball hit out of bounds
That's fine and dandy, but also remember that they changed the clock from 4.0 to 4.1 after the initial review, and then changed it again to 4.6. That whole sequence was so bizarre to watch.
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We are so close. So, so close to turning the corner. But we are young, ya know? Will take some time and definitely some patience.
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We are so close. So, so close to turning the corner. But we are young, ya know? Will take some time and definitely some patience.
Heh.
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At least the freshmen did well. Future is bright. They should be really good in 3 years.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
The officiating was extraordinarily incompetent, which is quite an achievement. The alcoholic that is the head official doesn't have a clue, and his partners were ridiculously stupid and worthless
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
We disagree on both counts. The officials were inconsistent. Not the reason we lost to a ranked team. We didn't do enough to win, but not because we suck.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
We disagree on both counts. The officials were inconsistent. Not the reason we lost to a ranked team. We didn't do enough to win, but not because we suck.
Then enjoy your shitty excuse-filled ksu basketball this season.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
We disagree on both counts. The officials were inconsistent. Not the reason we lost to a ranked team. We didn't do enough to win, but not because we suck.
Then enjoy your shitty excuse-filled ksu basketball this season.
Dang, someone needs a hug.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
We disagree on both counts. The officials were inconsistent. Not the reason we lost to a ranked team. We didn't do enough to win, but not because we suck.
Then enjoy your shitty excuse-filled ksu basketball this season.
Dang, someone needs a hug.
I would rather have a better basketball team.
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We got one but have since pissed it all away
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Update Box with OTs separated:
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Shooting drop off as the game progressed was really bad.
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Glad I missed this one! Sounds super frustrating!
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Hopper inspires zero confidence with the ball.
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FT shooting under 50% pretty much made the difference. We have to be way better than that with the new rules.
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FT shooting under 50% pretty much made the difference. We have to be way better than that with the new rules.
That's fair, but i evened out and we were very good in the 2nd half and overtime. We ended up at 65%, our season average is 68%.
But we didn't make a 3 after the first half and the turnover rate was not in our favor in the 2nd half and OT. Those two things cost us the game more than FTs. JMHO.
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on the pro side of things, brian smoller was a treat on the radio call. he's like that really annoying announcer that other teams have that is CERTAIN every call against his team is the most egregious call ever and acts way over the top emotionally about key plays. i love him.
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on the pro side of things, brian smoller was a treat on the radio call. he's like that really annoying announcer that other teams have that is CERTAIN every call against his team is the most egregious call ever and acts way over the top emotionally about key plays. i love him.
Future VOTW.
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on the pro side of things, brian smoller was a treat on the radio call. he's like that really annoying announcer that other teams have that is CERTAIN every call against his team is the most egregious call ever and acts way over the top emotionally about key plays. i love him.
Sounds like Bob Davis. Not a fan of that kind of radio.
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FT shooting under 50% pretty much made the difference. We have to be way better than that with the new rules.
That's fair, but i evened out and we were very good in the 2nd half and overtime. We ended up at 65%, our season average is 68%.
But we didn't make a 3 after the first half and the turnover rate was not in our favor in the 2nd half and OT. Those two things cost us the game more than FTs. JMHO.
I actually misread the graphic. FT % could have made the difference in the first half, but it's good that our guys were able to be clutch in the 2nd / OT. The drop off in 3-PTs is terrible after finally coming out and at least having an average day compared to most teams.
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Can anyone explain to me how the refs decided it was K State ball with 4.1 seconds left on that DJamer "tip" ball. Then they reversed the call, but changed the clock to 4.6?
This is a problem CBB has. Reviews need to be on a time limit. They looked at replay and determined DJamer did not touch ball. They should have looked right then and there what the clock should be. They didn't because they were clueless. So during a TO, they went back a 2nd time and looked at replay...and then saw an angle where DJamer touched ball.
It was pretty easy to see clock should have been 4.6 seconds no matter who had the ball. What's BS is that took 2 long reviews to decide what to do. It should have taken 90 seconds to decide that the original replay didn't show DJamer touched ball and 4.6 left when ball hit out of bounds
They completely screw up that entire sequence. On the inbound WVU took too much time to get a shot up and should have been a shot clock violation.
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Just to add to what has already been said, props to Huggs for working the refs like a boss. He was in their ears on every indecisive call while oscar stood on the sideline with his rough ridin' pie hole open. He will not fight for his guys which pisses me off every time.
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WVU played zone in the 2nd and OT. Our zone o is putrid. Hence the shooting drop off.
Weber was all over the refs, as was huggy. Both were threatened with t's on several occasions. I'm guessing Weber didn't make tv. The Big 12 needs to address who it hires for officials if they give a crap about competition. It's been a major problem for several years, and it's getting worse. The tall skinny black bald guy is utterly incompetent. Like having a mentally handicapped person working in mission control.
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WVU played zone in the 2nd and OT. Our zone o is putrid. Hence the shooting drop off.
We are relying on our freshman guards to hit 3s and we will for the entire Big 12 season.
In the first half Brown/Stokes went 3-6 from 3. The rest of the game they went 0-7. Part of that is the zone, but part of that is simply not making open shots. Also, our 2PT% got better as the game went along and in the 2nd half we actually shot a lower % of 3s to 2s than the first half. Perhaps in the OTs we got a little crazy as 6 of our 11 shots were 3s.
I do like that we did an excellent job of attacking WVU and got to the FT line.
We just didn't finish the game. I still think a big part of that is our experienced perimeter players simply didn't step up and make plays.
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Pretty confident of two things after attending the game yesterday 1) That's as well (or damn close to it) as this team is capable of playing 2) Huggy does not have a top 20 squad on his hands. They play hard though.
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I don't know about #2. They've looked really good at times this year.
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WVU played zone in the 2nd and OT. Our zone o is putrid. Hence the shooting drop off.
Weber was all over the refs, as was huggy. Both were threatened with t's on several occasions. I'm guessing Weber didn't make tv. The Big 12 needs to address who it hires for officials if they give a crap about competition. It's been a major problem for several years, and it's getting worse. The tall skinny black bald guy is utterly incompetent. Like having a mentally handicapped person working in mission control.
True, he didn't. They tend to show him very unfavorably when he does.
Just watching the game from home looks like a win if more consistent with FTs and 3pt shots, just stating the obvious. Refs are a constant and hope impartial as to why I never really bitch too much about them.
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Handling their pressure was fairly impressive. Last year in our 2 games against WVU we turned it over on 28% of our possessions. Handling the basketball as a team is probably the biggest improvement from this year's version of Bruceketball.
Not if only we could shoot it a little bit.
WVU will finish 3rd/4th in this league. I think KU and OU are clearly the top with ISU next and then WVU.
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wvu hasn't beaten anyone yet, kstate is actually their best win. they've compiled large movs against bad teams.
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They looked like huggins' post-Bill KSU team.
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wvu hasn't beaten anyone yet, kstate is actually their best win. they've compiled large movs against bad teams.
True. It's a good way to inflate kp ratings. Missouri used to do the same under Anderson.
I still think they are 4th in the league.
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WVU played zone in the 2nd and OT. Our zone o is putrid. Hence the shooting drop off.
Weber was all over the refs, as was huggy. Both were threatened with t's on several occasions. I'm guessing Weber didn't make tv. The Big 12 needs to address who it hires for officials if they give a crap about competition. It's been a major problem for several years, and it's getting worse. The tall skinny black bald guy is utterly incompetent. Like having a mentally handicapped person working in mission control.
True, he didn't. They tend to show him very unfavorably when he does.
Just watching the game from home looks like a win if more consistent with FTs and 3pt shots, just stating the obvious. Refs are a constant and hope impartial as to why I never really bitch too much about them.
http://cjonline.com/sports/catzone/2016-01-02/late-no-call-seals-k-states-fate-double-ot-loss-no-19-west-virginia
:lol:
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Meh, calls go both ways. If any 2nd half 3s had gone in would have been a W in regulation.
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I think we can all agree that even though there was a lot of bad, there was a lot of good. At the start of the season if you told me wedbe going in to conference play with only 2 losses and those 2 losses were to 2 top 25 teams that we really should have won, I would have laughef at you. I know your level of hate for Weber is off the charts, but the dude has some how scrapped together a semi decent team with young talent that could kill it in the next couple years. It may be an ugly year going forward, but it'll be good experience for the young guys who will lead us to success the next couple years.
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Meh, calls go both ways. If any 2nd half 3s had gone in would have been a W in regulation.
I certainly wasn't suggesting that refs were a factor in the game. I was lol'n at the theme of that game story and the idea that Weber "glared menacingly." B-team beat writer crossover season.
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This year's team is more entertaining purely from a basketball standpoint than last year's, but goodness gracious that has yet to translate to wins against above average teams.
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Meh, calls go both ways. If any 2nd half 3s had gone in would have been a W in regulation.
I certainly wasn't suggesting that refs were a factor in the game. I was lol'n at the theme of that game story and the idea that Weber "glared menacingly." B-team beat writer crossover season.
I refuse to fill out survey to read article, just me.
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This year's team is more entertaining purely from a basketball standpoint than last year's, but goodness gracious that has yet to translate to wins against above average teams.
Maybe from a basketball standpoint, but on pure entertainment, not even close. Marcus doing what ever he wants at end of games and sinking Oklahoma twice with buzzer beaters was pretty epic. Also. all of the drama between him and oscar was just :lol:
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WVU played zone in the 2nd and OT. Our zone o is putrid. Hence the shooting drop off.
We are relying on our freshman guards to hit 3s and we will for the entire Big 12 season.
In the first half Brown/Stokes went 3-6 from 3. The rest of the game they went 0-7. Part of that is the zone, but part of that is simply not making open shots. Also, our 2PT% got better as the game went along and in the 2nd half we actually shot a lower % of 3s to 2s than the first half. Perhaps in the OTs we got a little crazy as 6 of our 11 shots were 3s.
I do like that we did an excellent job of attacking WVU and got to the FT line.
We just didn't finish the game. I still think a big part of that is our experienced perimeter players simply didn't step up and make plays.
They switched to zone (122 trap thing) at about the 7 minute mark of the 2nd half. From that point forward we struggled to Pentwater the top of the arc. That's where the wheels came off on offense.
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Yeah, I remember Westicles had turnovers on the first 2 possessions after they switched.
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We called a timeout soontherafter, and the guys executed the play drawn up by throwing a two hop lob to the cheerleader on the baseline
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I think we can all agree that even though there was a lot of bad, there was a lot of good. At the start of the season if you told me wedbe going in to conference play with only 2 losses and those 2 losses were to 2 top 25 teams that we really should have won, I would have laughef at you. I know your level of hate for Weber is off the charts, but the dude has some how scrapped together a semi decent team with young talent that could kill it in the next couple years. It may be an ugly year going forward, but it'll be good experience for the young guys who will lead us to success the next couple years.
i guess that depends on your expectations. kstate was the only home big 12 team that lost yesterday. tcu is the only team that i expect to end up with a losing record at home in conference.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
The officiating was extraordinarily incompetent, which is quite an achievement. The alcoholic that is the head official doesn't have a clue, and his partners were ridiculously stupid and worthless
Tom O'Neill. He had security tell me to calm down during a game in the Wooly era. I called him a worthless drunk and I told him he was sweating gin.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
Knock it off man. The officiating was atrocious. They struggled with the speed and physicality of the game and were waaaaayyyyyy to reliant on video replay. They weren't why we lost but they hurt the rhythm of the game and made it brutal to watch. I loved them going to replay after a full timeout to check two tenths of a second.
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Agree with MIR - That was some of the most incompetent officiating that I have seen. Calls were consistently way late or incorrect with the replay process butchered into wasting at least 5 minutes.
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on the pro side of things, brian smoller was a treat on the radio call. he's like that really annoying announcer that other teams have that is CERTAIN every call against his team is the most egregious call ever and acts way over the top emotionally about key plays. i love him.
Ugh, listened to him when he called the Georgia game. I had to take my headphones out a few times he was screaming so loud. Stanbot was audibly annoyed tho, which was fun to listen to.
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
Knock it off man. The officiating was atrocious. They struggled with the speed and physicality of the game and were waaaaayyyyyy to reliant on video replay. They weren't why we lost but they hurt the rhythm of the game and made it brutal to watch. I loved them going to replay after a full timeout to check two tenths of a second.
They didn't do anything that effected one team more than the other. They struggled on that replay but ultimately got it right from their original call. But I enjoyed oscar bitching about the refs instead of taking the entire blame for watching his team crap itself at the site of a 1-3-1 zone.
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That missed goal tending call still burns.
I listened because I don't get ESPNU. Were the officials as bad as twitter indicated?
The officiating was extraordinarily incompetent, which is quite an achievement. The alcoholic that is the head official doesn't have a clue, and his partners were ridiculously stupid and worthless
Tom O'Neill. He had security tell me to calm down during a game in the Wooly era. I called him a worthless drunk and I told him he was sweating gin.
He has that bright red cirrhosis nose that's about to fall off. He puts his hair on with shoe polish
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The officiating was fine. Equal "bad" calls on each side. We lost because we suck.
Knock it off man. The officiating was atrocious. They struggled with the speed and physicality of the game and were waaaaayyyyyy to reliant on video replay. They weren't why we lost but they hurt the rhythm of the game and made it brutal to watch. I loved them going to replay after a full timeout to check two tenths of a second.
They didn't do anything that effected one team more than the other. They struggled on that replay but ultimately got it right from their original call. But I enjoyed oscar bitching about the refs instead of taking the entire blame for watching his team crap itself at the site of a 1-3-1 zone.
They didn't effect the outcome but they were poop.
For the life of me I don't get why anyone ever plays man against us, none of oscar's teams here have been even passable against a zone and this team has fewer shooters than we have had since Huggins pre Cartier Wooly.
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We had fewer shooters last year when foster was busy ruining everything
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And I can't figure out why brown has played so little before Saturday.
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We had fewer shooters last year when foster was busy ruining everything
Sorry man but not even close, these guys are dreadful ahooters
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=36655.msg1499131#msg1499131
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=33829.msg1290889#msg1290889
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I think we can all agree that even though there was a lot of bad, there was a lot of good. At the start of the season if you told me wedbe going in to conference play with only 2 losses and those 2 losses were to 2 top 25 teams that we really should have won, I would have laughef at you. I know your level of hate for Weber is off the charts, but the dude has some how scrapped together a semi decent team with young talent that could kill it in the next couple years. It may be an ugly year going forward, but it'll be good experience for the young guys who will lead us to success the next couple years.
I completely agree with this. Major upside surprise but also partly due to oscar cleverly setting expectations remarkably low by eviserating last year's team. Lost 80% of our scoring from LY.
Weber's big challenge is keeping a certain player eligible this semester.