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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: catzacker on April 20, 2010, 05:00:56 PM
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Thought it might be good to take a recruiting inventory and attribute players/commits with coaches (please correct or add):
Beas - 'Te
Pullen - Frank (not sure who to give this to)??
F. Brown - Frank
R. Anderson - 'Te
Sutton - 'Te
Samuels - 'Te
Gilbert - Frank
Buchi - Figgs/Unds
Abdul - Frank
Kelly - Frank (not sure who to give this to)??
Clemente - Frank
McGruds - 'Te
Wally - 'Te
Irving - Unds
Russell - Figgs
JHR - Frank (not sure who who to give this to)??
Asprilla - Frank
Southwell - Frank/'Te
Sprads - Unds
Maple Leaf - Frank (not sure who to give this to)??
Nino - Unds
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If they've ever been in the state of Florida, credit Frank.
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there's some guesswork here, and a lot of slop. because we never get enough info, and because the staff team recruits. but here's a guess.
Beas - te420k
Pullen - te420k, martin
F. Brown - martin (but i think one of the assistants had a lot to do with brown. don't have the link handy, and i don't recall that it was clear which asst.)
R. Anderson - te420k
Sutton - te420k
Samuels - te420k
Gilbert - underwood
Buchi - figger, underwood
Abdul - martin
Kelly - martin
Clemente - martin
McGruds - te420k, shingler
Wally - shingler, te420k
Irving - martin, but the comment on brown may also apply
Russell - figger, martin (might be martin, figger)
JHR - martin
Asprilla - martin
Southwell - martin
Sprads - with locals, it's so different, i'm not sure there is much point in giving credit to any individual coach.
Maple Leaf - unknown. martin, underwood, figger are all logical for jucos, but kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. it's probably martin, but who knows.
Nino - see spradling
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The bigger question is, who still recruits??
I guess we pay Te420K to text guys we have no shot of getting.
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we pay Te420K to text guys we have no shot of getting.
i wish. we'd be getting tons of elite mentions if that was the case.
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there's some guesswork here, and a lot of slop. because we never get enough info, and because the staff team recruits. but here's a guess.
Beas - te420k
Pullen - te420k, martin
F. Brown - martin (but i think one of the assistants had a lot to do with brown. don't have the link handy, and i don't recall that it was clear which asst.)
R. Anderson - te420k
Sutton - te420k
Samuels - te420k
Gilbert - underwood
Buchi - figger, underwood
Abdul - martin
Kelly - martin
Clemente - martin
McGruds - te420k, shingler
Wally - shingler, te420k
Irving - martin, but the comment on brown may also apply
Russell - figger, martin (might be martin, figger)
JHR - martin
Asprilla - martin
Southwell - martin
Sprads - with locals, it's so different, i'm not sure there is much point in giving credit to any individual coach.
Maple Leaf - unknown. martin, underwood, figger are all logical for jucos, but kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. it's probably martin, but who knows.
Nino - see spradling
this post makes me want to take a crap in underwood and figger's mouths for like 3 hours straight
fwiw, i don't expect it to change. frank always :blah: :blah: :jerk: about being loyal
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kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. i
really?
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kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. i
really?
myles, powell, glaze.
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Well we are pretty much :facepalm: .
The Powertards have gone into full blown, "I trust Frank" mode.
Just still having to verbalize my shock at how rapidly this staff devolved into SLTH. Who knew that a big pay raise would cause instantaneous recruiting trail softness??
I guess Frank can spend more time at the Sale Barn wearing those Cowboy Boots the Wamego Bankers bought him . . . and getting lots of SLTH slaps on the back and remembrances of that Elite 8 run in 2010.
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Holy Dog$hit, if you're going to recruit mutts, go and at least get a mutt like Larry Reid.
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kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. i
really?
myles, powell, glaze.
oh yeah. Probably figgs.
Well we are pretty much :facepalm: .
The Powertards have gone into full blown, "I trust Frank" mode.
Just still having to verbalize my shock at how rapidly this staff devolved into SLTH. Who knew that a big pay raise would cause instantaneous recruiting trail softness??
I guess Frank can spend more time at the Sale Barn wearing those Cowboy Boots the Wamego Bankers bought him . . . and getting lots of SLTH slaps on the back and remembrances of that Elite 8 run in 2010.
sodj, I know we disagreed a lot during the season, but I agree w/ what you're saying here 100%, and you say it so well.
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just realized powell was #23 on Rivals. Sheesh.
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Rusty . . . I guess we're just going to sit around and bitch about ku shenanigans on the recruiting trail and cry in our beer instead of fighting back. We're mailing it in at this juncture . . . part of chemistry is evolving your "chemistry".
From the sounds of it, we might want to have somebody bird dogging the Cooley kid until he plays himself out of being a high D1 prospect.
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Rusty . . . I guess we're just going to sit around and bitch about ku shenanigans on the recruiting trail and cry in our beer instead of fighting back. We're mailing it in at this juncture . . . part of chemistry is evolving your "chemistry".
why settle for second to a good recruit, when there are bad recruits that Bill Self doesn't know exists available?
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I will continue to berate and bitch and until we cleanse the devil known as K-State basketball recruiting after 1987 right out of our system.
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Figger should get more heat than Dalonte.
Underwood is irrelevant.
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Figger should get more heat than Dalonte.
Underwood is irrelevant.
water is wet!
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Figger should get more heat than Dalonte.
Underwood is irrelevant.
Figger is the best scouting/planning coach on staff. That's what he's there for.
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Order of recruiting levels:
1. Frank: consistently tries. Has contacts in numerous areas. Brought in the only decent prospects post Huggins and not DCA, but doesn't have the charm to be an elite recruiter.
big drop
2. 'Te. Rode his DCA connections into the ground for two class (07 and 09) has since completely quit. Not sure he's got anything in the tank even if he hasn't quit.
3. Undy. recruits locals. Gets his ass kicked on the good ones...manges to pick up a couple. Scrapes together scrub JUCOs to fill out the roster.
4. Figger. utterly useless. Once got a kid to commit and come to school at K-State. Congrats I guess.
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it would seem that 'Te has served his purpose, but at the same time he appears to be the only person, sans Martin, who has gotten us (through connections/relationships) anyone of any note. and with the silent recruiting (can we come up with a neat nicname for this? Maybe something like "Red October Recruiting". I dunno.) it makes me think that we'll be in 3* heaven forever until one of our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) staff takes the northern colorado job or something and we luck into a guy who's got connections in the short term (like 'Te).
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Order of recruiting levels:
1. Frank: consistently tries. Has contacts in numerous areas. Brought in the only decent prospects post Huggins and not DCA, but doesn't have the charm to be an elite recruiter.
big drop
2. 'Te. Rode his DCA connections into the ground for two class (07 and 09) has since completely quit. Not sure he's got anything in the tank even if he hasn't quit.
3. Undy. recruits locals. Gets his ass kicked on the good ones...manges to pick up a couple. Scrapes together scrub JUCOs to fill out the roster.
4. Figger. utterly useless. Once got a kid to commit and come to school at K-State. Congrats I guess.
fair to say that Anderson absolutely destroys us in local recruiting? (local meaning the local players that ku doesn't want). actually, might say that anderson destroys us in recruiting regardless of the locale. apparently, Anderson's family friends send their kids to MU whereas Franks just cocktease him.
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Order of recruiting levels:
1. Frank: consistently tries. Has contacts in numerous areas. Brought in the only decent prospects post Huggins and not DCA, but doesn't have the charm to be an elite recruiter.
big drop
2. 'Te. Rode his DCA connections into the ground for two class (07 and 09) has since completely quit. Not sure he's got anything in the tank even if he hasn't quit.
3. Undy. recruits locals. Gets his ass kicked on the good ones...manges to pick up a couple. Scrapes together scrub JUCOs to fill out the roster.
4. Figger. utterly useless. Once got a kid to commit and come to school at K-State. Congrats I guess.
fair to say that Anderson absolutely destroys us in local recruiting? (local meaning the local players that ku doesn't want). actually, might say that anderson destroys us in recruiting regardless of the locale. apparently, Anderson's family friends send their kids to MU whereas Franks just cocktease him.
yes that's fair. no question we are third in the pecking order, though Nino williams is the best local in the '11 class IMO.
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Order of recruiting levels:
1. Frank: consistently tries. Has contacts in numerous areas. Brought in the only decent prospects post Huggins and not DCA, but doesn't have the charm to be an elite recruiter.
big drop
2. 'Te. Rode his DCA connections into the ground for two class (07 and 09) has since completely quit. Not sure he's got anything in the tank even if he hasn't quit.
3. Undy. recruits locals. Gets his ass kicked on the good ones...manges to pick up a couple. Scrapes together scrub JUCOs to fill out the roster.
4. Figger. utterly useless. Once got a kid to commit and come to school at K-State. Congrats I guess.
fair to say that Anderson absolutely destroys us in local recruiting? (local meaning the local players that ku doesn't want). actually, might say that anderson destroys us in recruiting regardless of the locale. apparently, Anderson's family friends send their kids to MU whereas Franks just cocktease him.
I think it helps that a lot of the local kids that Anderson has gotten have been from the Missouri side.
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yes that's fair. no question we are third in the pecking order, though Nino williams is the best local in the '11 class IMO.
where does the kc cowboys or 76ers or whatever they're called fit in? are they going to be taking (keeping) top talent from mokan and pump&run? and if they do, where is williams going to send it?
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yes that's fair. no question we are third in the pecking order, though Nino williams is the best local in the '11 class IMO.
where does the kc cowboys or 76ers or whatever they're called fit in? are they going to be taking (keeping) top talent from mokan and pump&run? and if they do, where is williams going to send it?
:dunno: Go get 'em Undy? :dunno: :facepalm:
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yes that's fair. no question we are third in the pecking order, though Nino williams is the best local in the '11 class IMO.
where does the kc cowboys or 76ers or whatever they're called fit in? are they going to be taking (keeping) top talent from mokan and pump&run? and if they do, where is williams going to send it?
I don't think they're at a point that they can keep the older kids from MoKan and P&R. But I'm pretty sure Victor was at a KU game w/ wainwright.
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I'm pretty sure Victor was at a KU game w/ wainwright.
yeah, he's the main guy i'm thinking of. but wasn't ellis splitting time between the cowboys and mokan last summer? and i think he has that pg from iowa, too? the one that committed to isu, then decommitted then recommitted.
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kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. i
oh yeah. Probably figgs.
jfc, michigancat killed this one. also lol @ underwood's comparatively shitty contact and props to cassidy for asking a useful question.
My AAU coach knew (K-State assistant Matt Figger), and my head coach at Tallahassee has been friends with coach (Brad Underwood) for about seven years.
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Underwood started his college career playing for a staff that couldn't sell water to nomadic tribes in the Sahara. So what do you expect??
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Dammit Charlotte. You finally got some revenge for Beasley -- you could have solved one of our problems by picking up 420k'Te.
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there's some guesswork here, and a lot of slop. because we never get enough info, and because the staff team recruits. but here's a guess.
Beas - te420k
Pullen - te420k, martin
F. Brown - martin (but i think one of the assistants had a lot to do with brown. don't have the link handy, and i don't recall that it was clear which asst.)
R. Anderson - te420k
Sutton - te420k
Samuels - te420k
Gilbert - underwood
Buchi - figger, underwood
Abdul - martin
Kelly - martin
Clemente - martin
McGruds - te420k, shingler
Wally - shingler, te420k
Irving - martin, but the comment on brown may also apply
Russell - figger, martin (might be martin, figger)
JHR - martin
Asprilla - martin
Southwell - martin
Sprads - with locals, it's so different, i'm not sure there is much point in giving credit to any individual coach.
Maple Leaf - unknown. martin, underwood, figger are all logical for jucos, but kstate has also had some interest in several grassroots canada players now, and we don't know who has that contact. it's probably martin, but who knows.
Nino - see spradling
Order of recruiting levels:
1. Frank: consistently tries. Has contacts in numerous areas. Brought in the only decent prospects post Huggins and not DCA, but doesn't have the charm to be an elite recruiter.
big drop
God bless that man. He's running a one-man operation and it's going to kill him, but he's doing it for us. :cry: (in a good way)
:kstatriot:
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God bless that man. He's running a one-man operation and it's going to kill him, but he's doing it for us. :cry: (in a good way)
:kstatriot:
Frank, see the signs! Kick those posers to the curb and bring in an elite staff of 'cruiters.
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God bless that man. He's running a one-man operation and it's going to kill him, but he's doing it for us. :cry: (in a good way)
:kstatriot:
Frank, see the signs! Kick those posers to the curb and bring in an elite staff of 'cruiters.
IMO, Frank will probably be a lot like Snyder when it comes to how he handles his staff. Just sayin'.
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John Ashaolu
Its all good. Glad to see that you are a pure PG now. Lol. Coach Figger is my guy. Happy to see the hard work is paying off.
--To Juevol Myles
Anybody know how or why figgs is in good with the DoBO at ECU??
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God bless that man. He's running a one-man operation and it's going to kill him, but he's doing it for us. :cry: (in a good way)
:kstatriot:
Frank, see the signs! Kick those posers to the curb and bring in an elite staff of 'cruiters.
IMO, Frank will probably be a lot like Snyder when it comes to how he handles his staff. Just sayin'.
hey, thanks for the insight, dumbass
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=3504.0
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John Ashaolu
Its all good. Glad to see that you are a pure PG now. Lol. Coach Figger is my guy. Happy to see the hard work is paying off.
--To Juevol Myles
Anybody know how or why figgs is in good with the DoBO at ECU??
Because he's a good recruiter. John is the older brother of Olu Ashoulu, who plays at LaTech and played at a high school in Texas for a while. (He's good, he was a huge get for LaTech). His other younger brother, Sam, is one of the players that got shot at Duquense (along w/ another KSU recruit that I'm too lazy to look up).
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John Ashaolu
Its all good. Glad to see that you are a pure PG now. Lol. Coach Figger is my guy. Happy to see the hard work is paying off.
--To Juevol Myles
Anybody know how or why figgs is in good with the DoBO at ECU??
Because he's a good recruiter. John is the older brother of Olu Ashoulu, who plays at LaTech and played at a high school in Texas for a while. (He's good, he was a huge get for LaTech). His other younger brother, Sam, is one of the players that got shot at Duquense (along w/ another KSU recruit that I'm too lazy to look up).
I'll give Juevol to Figgs and say he's pulled even with Undy.