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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Cartierfor3 on December 17, 2014, 10:41:33 AM
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Seems like open trade might happen?
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I kind of doubt it. Ted Cruz is going to lose it.
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It's about time.
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I'm all for free and open trade and commerce.
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Embargo is about to succeed. Just needs another 50 years.
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So I can get cigars now or what? :dunno:
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:bigtoke:
Although trading Cuba for Russia seems like a pretty shitty deal
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those beaches tho
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Would make MLB better... Also open up a pipeline for Frank at USC.
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Would make MLB better... Also open up a pipeline for Frank at USC.
Do Cubans play basketball?
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steve dave how many delta points do you think a RT MCI-HAV would be? my god the redemption rates at hotels has got to be astronomical
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I'm not an expert on Cuba, so I'll defer to Marco Rubio (R) and Bob Menendez (D) who both agree it is a terrible idea to put more money into the pockets of a ruthless dictator, and they oughta know.
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Cuban spies. LOL
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We have several million Mexican spies in this country, as well.
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Yes, let's defer to politicians. They are the experts, after all.
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Yes, let's defer to politicians. They are the experts, after all.
Evidently, you are not too familiar with Rubio and Menendez's personal ties to the Cuban dictatorship.
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Yes, let's defer to politicians. They are the experts, after all.
Evidently, you are not too familiar with Rubio and Menendez's personal ties to the Cuban dictatorship.
I think Rubio's ties to the Cuban dictatorship are about as close as many Kansans' ties to the Nazis are.
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Yes, let's defer to politicians. They are the experts, after all.
Evidently, you are not too familiar with Rubio and Menendez's personal ties to the Cuban dictatorship.
I think Rubio's ties to the Cuban dictatorship are about as close as many Kansans' ties to the Nazis are.
I have no doubt that some Kansans' relatives fled the Nazi regime, and if the Nazi regime still existed and our president wanted to open trade with the Nazis, I'd listen to them too.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-story-embellishes-facts-documents-show/2011/10/20/gIQAaVHD1L_story.html
The real story of his parents’ migration appears to be a more conventional immigrant narrative, a couple who came to the United States seeking a better life. In the year they arrived in Florida, the future Marxist dictator was in Mexico plotting a quixotic return to Cuba.
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Cuban spies. LOL
More likely Russian spies.
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I'm not an expert on Cuba, so I'll defer to Marco Rubio (R) and Bob Menendez (D) who both agree it is a terrible idea to put more money into the pockets of a ruthless dictator, and they oughta know.
If we keep the embargo going for another 50 years we'll really show Cuba what's up. Just like Vietnam, China, Russia, Pakistan, Saudi Arabia and Bahrain.
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this is great, hope we do the same with Iran.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/us-cuba-diplomatic-relations-obama-raul-castro
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Pope Francis is just such a stud. My God, he is probably the greatest man to walk the earth in my lifetime.
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Pope Francis is just such a stud. My God, he is probably the greatest man to walk the earth in my lifetime.
He sure makes poping look a lot easier than the previous two clowns.
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Yes, Pope Francis is doing very good things
Also thought fidel died a few years ago
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I love how KSU claims to not always toe the GOP line yet.......
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-story-embellishes-facts-documents-show/2011/10/20/gIQAaVHD1L_story.html
The real story of his parents’ migration appears to be a more conventional immigrant narrative, a couple who came to the United States seeking a better life. In the year they arrived in Florida, the future Marxist dictator was in Mexico plotting a quixotic return to Cuba.
Right. And I'm sure the Rubios would have been welcomed back with open arms if they had tried to visit their family - like his grandfather who returned to Cuba shortly before Uncle Fidel came to power, and couldn't leave. Yes, Rubio certainly has no personal stake in the Cuban dictatorship. :jerk:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubios-family-immigration-story-addressed-in-new-books/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubios-family-immigration-story-addressed-in-new-books/)
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I love how KSU claims to not always toe the GOP line yet.......
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Yes, that Bob Menendez sure is "toeing the GOP line." :rolleyes: But I guess it's nice that you associate the GOP with opposing brutal dictatorships.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marco-rubios-compelling-family-story-embellishes-facts-documents-show/2011/10/20/gIQAaVHD1L_story.html
The real story of his parents’ migration appears to be a more conventional immigrant narrative, a couple who came to the United States seeking a better life. In the year they arrived in Florida, the future Marxist dictator was in Mexico plotting a quixotic return to Cuba.
Right. And I'm sure the Rubios would have been welcomed back with open arms if they had tried to visit their family - like his grandfather who returned to Cuba shortly before Uncle Fidel came to power, and couldn't leave. Yes, Rubio certainly has no personal stake in the Cuban dictatorship. :jerk:
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubios-family-immigration-story-addressed-in-new-books/ (http://www.cbsnews.com/news/marco-rubios-family-immigration-story-addressed-in-new-books/)
"Exile is not a time frame," he told the newspaper. "Exile is an experience. It's a sentiment. For my parents, it's the very real pain of being permanently separated from the nation of their birth."
It seems like today's news would be a nice first step to his parents visiting Cuba again? :dunno:
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And can't family members visit Cuba any way?
http://www.cubaati.com/qualifications_family.html
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Ksuw hates Capitalism :frown:
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Rage McKee is such a libtard foot soldier. Get out of here with your bullshit, dork.
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Checkmate Putin, Obama has finished you
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Castro is too weak to survive the free flow of goods/culture
Next stop, democracy
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Opening up trade with Cuba moves our economic needle about as much as adding Armenia as a state would. It benefits them way more than us.
If this happened in 2007, libtards would be howling about how this is just another way to export jobs.
Footnote: I also thought Castro died a few years ago
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this is great, hope we do the same with Iran.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/dec/17/us-cuba-diplomatic-relations-obama-raul-castro
Anti-Semite?
Also, WUUUUTTTTT?????? this is definitely not an option given our "allies"
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Castro is too weak to survive the free flow of goods/culture
Next stop, democracy
Exactly. Cuba will be vegas south in 5 years.
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Opening up trade with Cuba moves our economic needle about as much as adding Armenia as a state would. It benefits them way more than us.
If this happened in 2007, libtards would be howling about how this is just another way to export jobs.
Footnote: I also thought Castro died a few years ago
That's the rough ridin' point dumbass
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:lol:
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Opening up trade with Cuba moves our economic needle about as much as adding Armenia as a state would. It benefits them way more than us.
If this happened in 2007, libtards would be howling about how this is just another way to export jobs.
Footnote: I also thought Castro died a few years ago
That's the rough ridin' point dumbass
It's a zero sum game you nitwit.
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Opening up trade with Cuba moves our economic needle about as much as adding Armenia as a state would. It benefits them way more than us.
If this happened in 2007, libtards would be howling about how this is just another way to export jobs.
Footnote: I also thought Castro died a few years ago
That's the rough ridin' point dumbass
It's a zero sum game you nitwit.
:lol:
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Rage McKee is such a libtard foot soldier. Get out of here with your bullshit, dork.
I just support free market economics. You must be a union boss or something.
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Rage McKee is such a libtard foot soldier. Get out of here with your bullshit, dork.
I just support free market economics. You must be a union boss or something.
I'm not sure you understand how Cuba works.
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While I don't really have a problem with starting down the road to more normal relations with Cuba (I mean after all, Democratic hero JFK sort of invaded the place, and then blocked shipments and what not . . . before getting killed and thus bringing the next Democratic hero into office who faked an incident at sea and got 50,000 plus American's killed and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese . . . which subsequently got hundreds of thousands of Cambodians killed etc. etc. so on and so forth).
But it is fascinating that this seems to all have been done with little or no debate, discussion or consultation with elected representatives. Prog-libs seem to really enjoy dictatorial types.
Probably lots of prog-lib factions that are none-to-pleased a religious guy was heavily involved.
Prog-Libs are strange, and extremely partisan.
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Military Dictatorships foster the purest free market economies, duh
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Dax has become a parody of himself at this point
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Dax has become a parody of himself at this point
Says the voice of extreme partisanship.
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Someone tell me the downside of turning Cuba into the Bahamas with better cigars, equal beaches and strategically located?
We are essentially taking Cuba.
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While I don't really have a problem with starting down the road to more normal relations with Cuba (I mean after all, Democratic hero JFK sort of invaded the place, and then blocked shipments and what not . . . before getting killed and thus bringing the next Democratic hero into office who faked an incident at sea and got 50,000 plus American's killed and hundreds of thousands of Vietnamese . . . which subsequently got hundreds of thousands of Cambodians killed etc. etc. so on and so forth).
But it is fascinating that this seems to all have been done with little or no debate, discussion or consultation with elected representatives. Prog-libs seem to really enjoy dictatorial types.
Probably lots of prog-lib factions that are none-to-pleased a religious guy was heavily involved.
Prog-Libs are strange, and extremely partisan.
yup, just a bunch of partisan proglibs partisaning up this issue. dax, however is not partisan at all
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Someone tell me the downside of turning Cuba into the Bahamas with better cigars, equal beaches and strategically located?
We are essentially taking Cuba.
Republicans are cool with it too I think, but they are kinda butthurt their team doesn't get to celebrate the touchdown
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This is a huge blow to Putin but he can't do crap, his currency is worth as much as confederate note circa 1864
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Did I say I wasn't partisan?
There's a lean (me), and then there's extreme partisanship (you).
Oh and yeah Lib, I mean the political and world strategic environment was EXACTLY the same when Republican's were in the Oval Office . . . dammit why didn't Reagan normalize relations at the height of the Cold War (with the Soviet Union)?? :curse:
JFK . . . blockade, Bay of Pigs, assassination attempts and heralded by Libs as a great President.
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lol ok dax
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lol ok dax
What color is the towel you're throwing in this time?
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This is exactly the same as Regan normalizing relations with the USSR in 1985. Great awareness
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Proglibs are extremely partisan, but the only reason Dax opposes this is because Obama supports it :lol:
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I think it's aimed directly at Putin and also pretty great.
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OMG, just saw the 3 Cuban spies thing :lol:
Dugout, this isn't your grampa's cuba, the Soviet ties thing is a red herring
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my mom's canadian husband has been to cuba a few times. says it's a lot of fun, but aging. this is going to make that place amazing
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Proglibs are extremely partisan, but the only reason Dax opposes this is because Obama supports it :lol:
Why do you have a tough time with reading comprehension? Go back and read the first sentence of my first post in this thread. I mean, I really think I'm having a discussion with a complete idiot.
What's even more fascinating (and trust me, this is WAY over guys like libliblib's head), is that Obama is doing a better job of spreading U.S. global hegemony than any Neo-Con/PNAC'er could ever dream ("The Grand Chessboard"). As Glenn Greenwald said (paraphrasing) several years ago; Obama is more PNAC than PNAC.
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Doesn't the Godfather I have scenes shot in cuba? It's to Monte Carlo what the Lake Jacomo is to Table Rock Lake.
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Doesn't the Godfather I have scenes shot in cuba? It's to Monte Carlo what the Lake Jacomo is to Table Rock Lake.
part II is in havana at the start of the Revolution or whatever. Johnny ola knows all the best places in town
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Proglibs are extremely partisan, but the only reason Dax opposes this is because Obama supports it :lol:
Why do you have a tough time with reading comprehension? Go back and read the first sentence of my first post in this thread. I mean, I really think I'm having a discussion with a complete idiot.
What's even more fascinating (and trust me, this is WAY over guys like libliblib's head), is that Obama is doing a better job of spreading U.S. global hegemony than any Neo-Con/PNAC'er could ever dream ("The Grand Chessboard"). As Glenn Greenwald said (paraphrasing) several years ago; Obama is more PNAC than PNAC.
your first sentence was a rambling partisan rant about crap that happened before my parents were born and somehow you think is relevant to today
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While I don't really have a problem with starting down the road to more normal relations with Cuba
LOL, yes, the Cuban Missile Crisis, the attempts to assassinate Castro, the Bay of Pigs . . . literally not relevant today. I mean, that's why we have Cubans protesting in Miami, that's why they still have multi-night mini-series about JFK (with Cuba a huge portion of it), docu-dramas etc. etc. 50 and 60 years after it happened. You don't think the Castro brothers don't still hold a grudge?
You really are a rough ridin dumbass.
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OMG, just saw the 3 Cuban spies thing :lol:
Dugout, this isn't your grampa's cuba, the Soviet ties thing is a red herring
Obviously not, but you sure seem to think the impotent state of Russia is a threat.
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This is The communists pride and joy and we just turned them.
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other than the embargo remaining to this day, none of those things are relevant today, which is why the embargo is stupid to continue, you rough ridin' dense agendite partisan child.
but oh wait, hollywood is making docudramas about it! good grief dax
this should have happened during Clinton at the latest
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other than the embargo remaining to this day, none of those things are relevant today, which is why the embargo is stupid to continue, you rough ridin' dense agendite partisan child.
but oh wait, hollywood is making docudramas about it! good grief dax
this should have happened during Clinton at the latest
Reagan, really.
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Russia's golden child came to us, hat in hand, and kissed the rings to save them because their former masters can't even buy a rehabbed aircraft carrier from the French. Let that soak in
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Havana was Vegas before vegas. It is one of the things Castro hated. Batista let the corrupt govt run roughshod with out of country money casinos. Same castro. Will be interesting to see how slow they let us back in.
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I think China is Russias new toy. North Korea has already replaced cuba as bottom bitch
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I think China is Russias new toy. North Korea has already replaced cuba as bottom bitch
Russia is trouble. They can't even take the Ukraine. Without inflated oil they are in huge trouble.
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I think China is Russias new toy. North Korea has already replaced cuba as bottom bitch
I think that may be backwards. If I'm not wright, I won't be wrong for long.
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Name the top 3 Russian exports.
Oil
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Natural gas, that the U.S. has so much we burn it off just to watch pretty flames
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Natural gas isn't something you put in a barrel and load onto a boat. Russia will make crazy bank exporting gas to China and India and the rest of SE Asia as their industrial economies boom. We can't even get our north slope gas to the mid con market. crap, until the marcellus and utica shale, the most populated part of our country was running on heating oil and propane.
The only thing keeping Russia down is its stupid people and dumbass government. They are the one country whose natural resources compete with ours.
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Natural gas isn't something you put in a barrel and load onto a boat. Russia will make crazy bank exporting gas to China and India and the rest of SE Asia as their industrial economies boom. We can't even get our north slope gas to the mid con market. crap, until the marcellus and utica shale, the most populated part of our country was running on heating oil and propane.
The only thing keeping Russia down is its stupid people and dumbass government. They are the one country whose natural resources compete with ours.
Hence the reason this fossil fuel monster of the Adriatic has a strong currency, a burgeoning tech economy and an upwardly mobile highly educated youth. However will this dominant force be counter balanced?!
But they can pipe natural gas to old europe's dying economies tho
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Wait, I forgot about all of SE Asia and China's just now emerging economies (that are just now booming and haven't at all slowed a bit) who are thirsty for the crude pumped via currently existing direct pipelines at premium prices to the Russians. They would never buy from the super tankers of over priced oil that can't easily get now.
You should invest heavy in rubles
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You're misunderstanding of natural gas markets is affecting your misunderstanding of FX.
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Seems like some people are #1murrica! and others are #1human
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Doesn't the Godfather I have scenes shot in cuba?
do you mean set in cuba?
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Doesn't the Godfather I have scenes shot in cuba?
do you mean set in cuba?
I know it was you, mocat. You broke my heart. You broke my heart.
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It turns out the only people this benefits is the dictatorial regime of cuba. Shocking, Obama got his ass negotiated to pieces again. Fortunately the embargo is statutory, so, per usual, he doesn't have any authority to do anything.
Woof, what an overblown bullshit thing to get excited about.
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The other interesting thing is, is we continue to poke the bear. It is past due, to start the normalization path with Cuba. But there's this move, there's the attempts to overthrow Assad, the Ukraine, the former Soviet republics in Central Asia, Georgia etc. etc. A Russian economy that's tanking, and Russia spending the equivalent of a trillion dollars upgrading their armed forces.
But hey, the past doesn't matter according to Lib.
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You're misunderstanding of natural gas markets is affecting your misunderstanding of FX.
I don't think you have any knowledge about what infra structure there is in place to get Russia's gas to China and you really don't know what rock bottom price China is paying Russia.
Either way, we can and do liquefy and ship it to India currently. and from the looks of it, will drop some prices to undercut Russia.
Sorry, Russia is our bitch and currently has influence somewhere between Mexico and Guam.
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LNG is a fraction of the market and exponentially more expensive that natural gas.
I agree we are far superior than russia, thanks to decades of capitalism v. socialism, but russia certainly isn't our bitch.
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LNG is a fraction of the market and exponentially more expensive that natural gas.
I agree we are far superior than russia, thanks to decades of capitalism v. socialism, but russia certainly isn't our bitch.
It is but getting cheaper and India may not have a choice. Russia isn't sending much NG to India because they will never build a pipeline to India.
If they weren't our bitch, we wouldn't be opening an embassy in Havana. I mean it sucks for the Russians that they can't stop Cuba from groveling at our feet but they aren't in a position to protect or aid Cuba anymore. Maybe they could send them tanker ships full of worthless rubles.
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LNG is a fraction of the market and exponentially more expensive that natural gas.
I agree we are far superior than russia, thanks to decades of capitalism v. socialism, but russia certainly isn't our bitch.
It is but getting cheaper and India may not have a choice. Russia isn't sending much NG to India because they will never build a pipeline to India.
If they weren't our bitch, we wouldn't be opening an embassy in Havana. I mean it sucks for the Russians that they can't stop Cuba from groveling at our feet but they aren't in a position to protect or aid Cuba anymore. Maybe they could send them tanker ships full of worthless rubles.
If making an insanely one-sided deal with Cuba is our way of sticking it to russia, perhaps we are russias bitch. Food for thought.
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LNG is a fraction of the market and exponentially more expensive that natural gas.
I agree we are far superior than russia, thanks to decades of capitalism v. socialism, but russia certainly isn't our bitch.
It is but getting cheaper and India may not have a choice. Russia isn't sending much NG to India because they will never build a pipeline to India.
If they weren't our bitch, we wouldn't be opening an embassy in Havana. I mean it sucks for the Russians that they can't stop Cuba from groveling at our feet but they aren't in a position to protect or aid Cuba anymore. Maybe they could send them tanker ships full of worthless rubles.
If making an insanely one-sided deal with Cuba is our way of sticking it to russia, perhaps we are russias bitch. Food for thought.
How is it one-sided?
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all I want is Cubans to play for the Royals and no one else. make it happen Obama
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Damn the long term geopolitical implications!! . . . as long as a Democrat is president.
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Damn the long term geopolitical implications!! . . . as long as a Democrat is president.
yeah, I can really see us exploiting the crap out of Cuba being a problem.
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Damn the long term geopolitical implications!! . . . as long as a Democrat is president.
I want free trade and a strong economy . . . as long as a Republican is president.
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Damn the long term geopolitical implications!! . . . as long as a Democrat is president.
Can you summarize the long term geopolitical implications?
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How about one of you libtards explain how this helps us or the people of cuba? You don't get the benefit of all your 50 cent presumptions.
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Damn the long term geopolitical implications!! . . . as long as a Democrat is president.
I want free trade and a strong economy
Then stop dutifully voting democrat, libtard.
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How about one of you libtards explain how this helps us or the people of cuba? You don't get the benefit of all your 50 cent presumptions.
Officials said that, among other steps, the U.S. will ease travel and remittance policies; expand commercial sales and exports; and ease imports, including of tobacco products and alcohol. The U.S. will expand Cubans' access to the Internet and telecommunications.
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How about one of you libtards explain how this helps us or the people of cuba? You don't get the benefit of all your 50 cent presumptions.
Officials said that, among other steps, the U.S. will ease travel and remittance policies; expand commercial sales and exports; and ease imports, including of tobacco products and alcohol. The U.S. will expand Cubans' access to the Internet and telecommunications.
You realize cuba is a military dictatorship right? And that won't change?
LOL at that list of things benefiting the us.
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there's other good stuff, too. You guys should read it:
Facilitating an expansion of travel under general licenses for the 12 existing categories of travel to Cuba authorized by law-
General licenses will be made available for all authorized travelers in the following existing categories: (1) family visits; (2) official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; (3) journalistic activity; (4) professional research and professional meetings; (5) educational activities; (6) religious activities; (7) public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; (8) support for the Cuban people; (9) humanitarian projects; (10) activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; (11) exportation, importation, or transmission of information or information materials; and (12) certain export transactions that may be considered for authorization under existing regulations and guidelines.
Travelers in the 12 categories of travel to Cuba authorized by law will be able to make arrangements through any service provider that complies with the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) regulations governing travel services to Cuba, and general licenses will authorize provision of such services.
The policy changes make it easier for Americans to provide business training for private Cuban businesses and small farmers and provide other support for the growth of Cuba’s nascent private sector. Additional options for promoting the growth of entrepreneurship and the private sector in Cuba will be explored.
Remittance levels will be raised from $500 to $2,000 per quarter for general donative remittances to Cuban nationals (except to certain officials of the government or the Communist party); and donative remittances for humanitarian projects, support for the Cuban people, and support for the development of private businesses in Cuba will no longer require a specific license.
Authorizing expanded commercial sales/exports from the United States of certain goods and services-
The expansion will seek to empower the nascent Cuban private sector. Items that will be authorized for export include certain building materials for private residential construction, goods for use by private sector Cuban entrepreneurs, and agricultural equipment for small farmers. This change will make it easier for Cuban citizens to have access to certain lower-priced goods to improve their living standards and gain greater economic independence from the state.
Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely-
Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited.
The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems.
Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/17/fact-sheet-charting-new-course-cuba
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How about one of you libtards explain how this helps us or the people of cuba? You don't get the benefit of all your 50 cent presumptions.
Officials said that, among other steps, the U.S. will ease travel and remittance policies; expand commercial sales and exports; and ease imports, including of tobacco products and alcohol. The U.S. will expand Cubans' access to the Internet and telecommunications.
You realize cuba is a military dictatorship right? And that won't change?
LOL at that list of things benefiting the us.
It will change. Not overnight, but it will change. This will do more to get rid of the Castros than the 50 year embargo.
You really think selling products to Cubans won't benefit the US?
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Isn't the more important side that being able to sell goods/tourism to Americans will benefit Cubans? Or does Raul get to hide all of that money in his mattress?
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weird thing for fsd to get butthurt about. It is good for the US and good for Cuba, Castro is dying and his dictatorship is too. Once that market is opened, he is done and he knows it so why fight it?
This does not happen if there is a strong Russia
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weird thing for fsd to get butthurt about. It is good for the US and good for Cuba, Castro is dying and his dictatorship is too. Once that market is opened, he is done and he knows it so why fight it?
This does not happen if there is a strong Russia
I'm not butthurt about this, I just don't think it's significant.
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there's other good stuff, too. You guys should read it:
Facilitating an expansion of travel under general licenses for the 12 existing categories of travel to Cuba authorized by law-
General licenses will be made available for all authorized travelers in the following existing categories: (1) family visits; (2) official business of the U.S. government, foreign governments, and certain intergovernmental organizations; (3) journalistic activity; (4) professional research and professional meetings; (5) educational activities; (6) religious activities; (7) public performances, clinics, workshops, athletic and other competitions, and exhibitions; (8) support for the Cuban people; (9) humanitarian projects; (10) activities of private foundations or research or educational institutes; (11) exportation, importation, or transmission of information or information materials; and (12) certain export transactions that may be considered for authorization under existing regulations and guidelines.
Travelers in the 12 categories of travel to Cuba authorized by law will be able to make arrangements through any service provider that complies with the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control (OFAC) regulations governing travel services to Cuba, and general licenses will authorize provision of such services.
The policy changes make it easier for Americans to provide business training for private Cuban businesses and small farmers and provide other support for the growth of Cuba’s nascent private sector. Additional options for promoting the growth of entrepreneurship and the private sector in Cuba will be explored.
Remittance levels will be raised from $500 to $2,000 per quarter for general donative remittances to Cuban nationals (except to certain officials of the government or the Communist party); and donative remittances for humanitarian projects, support for the Cuban people, and support for the development of private businesses in Cuba will no longer require a specific license.
Authorizing expanded commercial sales/exports from the United States of certain goods and services-
The expansion will seek to empower the nascent Cuban private sector. Items that will be authorized for export include certain building materials for private residential construction, goods for use by private sector Cuban entrepreneurs, and agricultural equipment for small farmers. This change will make it easier for Cuban citizens to have access to certain lower-priced goods to improve their living standards and gain greater economic independence from the state.
Initiating new efforts to increase Cubans’ access to communications and their ability to communicate freely-
Cuba has an internet penetration of about five percent—one of the lowest rates in the world. The cost of telecommunications in Cuba is exorbitantly high, while the services offered are extremely limited.
The commercial export of certain items that will contribute to the ability of the Cuban people to communicate with people in the United States and the rest of the world will be authorized. This will include the commercial sale of certain consumer communications devices, related software, applications, hardware, and services, and items for the establishment and update of communications-related systems.
Telecommunications providers will be allowed to establish the necessary mechanisms, including infrastructure, in Cuba to provide commercial telecommunications and internet services, which will improve telecommunications between the United States and Cuba.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2014/12/17/fact-sheet-charting-new-course-cuba
Wow, it does even less than I imagined based upon this puff piece.
All this really does is set a precedent to kidnap Americans and embolden a dictatorship. Same oppressive government. When Raul dies, someone else will take over.
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How about one of you libtards explain how this helps us or the people of cuba? You don't get the benefit of all your 50 cent presumptions.
Officials said that, among other steps, the U.S. will ease travel and remittance policies; expand commercial sales and exports; and ease imports, including of tobacco products and alcohol. The U.S. will expand Cubans' access to the Internet and telecommunications.
You realize cuba is a military dictatorship right? And that won't change?
LOL at that list of things benefiting the us.
It will change. Not overnight, but it will change. This will do more to get rid of the Castros than the 50 year embargo.
You really think selling products to Cubans won't benefit the US?
We won't be selling anything to cubans, because military dictatorship
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You understand that cubas gdp is half that of kansas right? Like, even if this was what you think it is, it would still be nothing.
That's why everyone is confused as to whether to spin this as humanitarian or economic, when in reality it's neither.
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:lol:
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$500 per remittance :lol:
What a boon
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Sweet, now it's only a matter of time before Cuba is overrun with Starbucks, luxury resorts and Long John Silvers franchises.
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serious butthurt
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Some of you have the depth of a thimble.
Who has said they will start flying more strategic bomber patrols in the Gulf of Mexico, who has reached out to Cuba and other Central and South American countries for things like naval bases and longer runways to refuel and base strategic bombers??
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The cubans are pretty pissed about this.
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I only got to listen to National (not as left leaning as we used to be before we got busted injecting ourselves into politics and proving to the world once and for all that we were extremely left leaning) Public Radio in bits and pieces yesterday.
But one segment had discussion about how Europe is absolutely terrified of a flailing, drunk, broke and pissed off Russia, and the another segment was about man-on-the street interviews in Cuba, and how some in Cuba hate the idea of better ties in the U.S. and some like it.
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The cubans are pretty pissed about this.
Good
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Lol at the self shame Dax has for listening to NPR
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Lol at the self shame Dax has for listening to NPR
I sometimes wonder if Dax hates his inner prog-lib self.
He rambles on like an anti-lgbt pastor who eventually gets caught blowing dudes at a park.
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The libtards are sure in a nasty mood today. Lots of pent up aggression, likely motivated by a lack of a sense of self worth.
T&P
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another segment was about man-on-the street interviews in Cuba, and how some in Cuba hate the idea of better ties in the U.S. and some like it.
sounds like a great segment
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Pfft . . . self shame :lol:
Since they were caught red handed, they're actually much more listenable and fair.
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Fair and balanced news.
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Moran and Roberts support this. That ought to get the libtards in a pinch.
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Natural gas prices cratering, Putin is openly weeping and begging the US for some crumbs.
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Moran and Roberts support this. That ought to get the libtards in a pinch.
I think that's great.
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Moran and Roberts support this. That ought to get the libtards in a pinch.
Everyone except total dumbasses support this.
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Buena Vista Social Club. :love:
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Neocons want to partisan up everything :frown:
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Natural gas prices cratering, Putin is openly weeping and begging the US for some crumbs.
Their tight with China, the world's Sugar daddy, you idiot.
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Moran and Roberts support this. That ought to get the libtards in a pinch.
Everyone except total dumbasses support this.
Only total dumbasses think this is important
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this has to be the pittiest thread ever.
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this has to be the pittiest thread ever.
You have to admit that FSD gave a very impassioned explanation of why this isn't important.
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this has to be the pittiest thread ever.
You have to admit that FSD gave a very impassioned explanation of why this isn't important.
i went back and treated myself to a reread of every dax and fsd post.
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The shame of it is bubbles is the best you can do is just kind of gurgle out some envy.
Sad
yes, a heavy cross to bear
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Natural gas prices cratering, Putin is openly weeping and begging the US for some crumbs.
Their tight with China, the world's Sugar daddy, you idiot.
Total allies, you really know your world politics
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Maybe Obama wants to annex Cuba and Haiti as territories so he can be a sugar daddy territorial governor.
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steve dave how many delta points do you think a RT MCI-HAV would be? my god the redemption rates at hotels has got to be astronomical
It would only be 4,500 Avios each way from Miami!
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i was thinking about making a play about "An Average Day (Thread) in the Pit" and was trying to come up with script ideas but honestly I can just use this thread verbatim
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We are going to make so much money selling their starving people wheat. Cha-ching.
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We are going to make so much money selling their starving people wheat. Cha-ching.
hello fellow salina journal reader
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We are going to make so much money selling their starving people wheat. Cha-ching.
hello fellow salina journal reader
:love:
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:lol:
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http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/01/politics/obama-note-to-castro-reestablish-ties/
Officially official
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Good. Now we can move DC to Havana.
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Seems like positioning to he friends is the best thing to do since neither castro will be around much longer. Move in financially and developmentally, and move in quick. That will make any and all concern about friends of Russia a past concern (that said, Russia already couldn't GAF about Cuba).
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https://twitter.com/MichaelRWarren/status/616300899439407104
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
he's the one that doesn't believe in evolution, right?
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
he's the one that doesn't believe in evolution, right?
Yes.
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I think embassies are needed more in countries we have poor relations with than ones we have good relations with :dunno:
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I think embassies are needed more in countries we have poor relations with than ones we have good relations with :dunno:
We should have one in every country that will let us have one.
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I think embassies are needed more in countries we have poor relations with than ones we have good relations with :dunno:
We should have one in every country that will let us have one.
why so we can have more Benghazis!!! You libs want to open "diplomatic missions" and have "relations" with other "countries" to have legitimate "discourse" and its all a ploy to set up our consular staff members for hit squads!
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I view them more as spying facilities than public relations agencies. Also, if we are going to have military facilities around the globe, we should probably use them to put down situations like Benghazi.
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
Actually our embassy is in Tel Aviv. And we don't have formal diplomatic relations with Iran. But diplomatic formalities can be really stupid. Ending our 50 year embargo with Cuba was a step away from a stupid diplomatic formality.
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
Actually our embassy is in Tel Aviv. And we don't have formal diplomatic relations with Iran. But diplomatic formalities can be really stupid. Ending our 50 year embargo with Cuba was a step away from a stupid diplomatic formality.
We have a consulate general in Jerusalem, anyway. And yeah, I misread that we only have a "virtual" embassy in Tehran. We should establish an embassy in Iran if possible.
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We already have a US embassy in Jerusalem. We have one in Tehran, too. Just how stupid is Scott Walker?
Actually our embassy is in Tel Aviv. And we don't have formal diplomatic relations with Iran. But diplomatic formalities can be really stupid. Ending our 50 year embargo with Cuba was a step away from a stupid diplomatic formality.
We have a consulate general in Jerusalem, anyway. And yeah, I misread that we only have a "virtual" embassy in Tehran. We should establish an embassy in Iran if possible.
The Jersualem embassy thing is actually a bit weirder as there is a law on the books that tried to require the US to have a Jerusalem embassy but it was circumvented by Clinton/Bush and Bob Dole.
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once these red commies (who happen to somehow whip incredible ass at medical research) get a taste of murican capitalism you can bet your ass it'll be sandals resorts for as far as you can see
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Cuba has been giving out lung cancer vaccines at a dollar per shot since 2011 :sdeek:
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Cuba has been giving out lung cancer vaccines at a dollar per shot since 2011 :sdeek:
When you consider how long they can keep a 55 chevy running without replacement parts stopping cancer is childs play