Post by: wabash909 on September 07, 2014, 08:16:19 AM
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Post by: steve dave on September 07, 2014, 08:40:36 AM
Post by: AbeFroman on September 07, 2014, 08:51:32 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on September 07, 2014, 09:18:41 AM
Post by: scottwildcat on September 07, 2014, 09:22:42 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 07, 2014, 09:28:17 AM
Post by: wabash909 on September 07, 2014, 09:37:37 AM
Post by: wetwillie on September 07, 2014, 09:38:35 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 07, 2014, 09:39:23 AM
I feel like he does a lot of things reasonably well. Running the football, Wildcat, receiving the football, etc.
It also seems like he's a youngster with the right intrinsic values.
Post by: catzacker on September 07, 2014, 10:11:18 AM
I like this guy.
bill does too. however bill doesn't call the shots, apparently. which is weird since he is, ya know, the head coach or whatever.
Drob is kind of not good, imo. like imagine a heavier, slower sproles who doesn't make people miss.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 07, 2014, 10:15:28 AM
bill does too. however bill doesn't call the shots, apparently. which is weird since he is, ya know, the head coach or whatever.
Drob is kind of not good, imo. like imagine a heavier, slower sproles who doesn't make people miss.
I'm surprised by his lack of burst/explosiveness.
Post by: Frankenklein on September 07, 2014, 10:18:30 AM
It appeared that he got confused as to what was going on when Waters was changing things at the line :dunno:bill does too. however bill doesn't call the shots, apparently. which is weird since he is, ya know, the head coach or whatever.
Drob is kind of not good, imo. like imagine a heavier, slower sproles who doesn't make people miss.
I'm surprised by his lack of burst/explosiveness.
Post by: catzacker on September 07, 2014, 10:22:37 AM
bill does too. however bill doesn't call the shots, apparently. which is weird since he is, ya know, the head coach or whatever.
Drob is kind of not good, imo. like imagine a heavier, slower sproles who doesn't make people miss.
I'm surprised by his lack of burst/explosiveness.
Drob? I'm not. Anyone who saw him in HS should have realized it, imo. Never understood his star rating. On a related not, I hope someone gives Denzel Goolsby some film on Lamar Chapman and Rashaad Washington.
Post by: j-dub on September 07, 2014, 10:27:31 AM
can he throw? if they add a jump pass or something i'd be okay with running it i guess. but at this point, it's the most predictable football play in the history of football plays. and i don't like that.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 07, 2014, 10:31:48 AM
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 07, 2014, 10:34:11 AM
charles should get every carry forever. but not the stupid wildcat anymore.It scored a big TD in the 4th.
can he throw? if they add a jump pass or something i'd be okay with running it i guess. but at this point, it's the most predictable football play in the history of football plays. and i don't like that.
Post by: j-dub on September 07, 2014, 10:39:47 AM
charles should get every carry forever. but not the stupid wildcat anymore.It scored a big TD in the 4th.
can he throw? if they add a jump pass or something i'd be okay with running it i guess. but at this point, it's the most predictable football play in the history of football plays. and i don't like that.
yeah. right after failing to convert a 4th and 1 in the 4th.
it's too predictable. against more athletic defenses it will be completely ineffective.
Post by: That_Guy on September 07, 2014, 11:13:10 AM
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Post by: wabash909 on September 07, 2014, 11:28:16 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 07, 2014, 11:30:30 AM
It just seems like Charles Jones is more multi-dimensional. A play maker, if you will.
Seems like he has the ability to make guys miss, like Judah Jones. Could be some stubbornness.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 07, 2014, 12:58:14 PM
charles should get every carry forever. but not the stupid wildcat anymore.It scored a big TD in the 4th.
can he throw? if they add a jump pass or something i'd be okay with running it i guess. but at this point, it's the most predictable football play in the history of football plays. and i don't like that.
yeah. right after failing to convert a 4th and 1 in the 4th.
it's too predictable. against more athletic defenses it will be completely ineffective.
To be fair, the 4th down version was a different formation (no FB, extra TE) that in theory created an extra gap. ISU safety (I believe) made a great play in knocking down a pulling lineman which blew up the play. Honestly had we gone with Gronk as the lead FB and come downhill we probably get the first down.
I'll have to re-watch to confirm, but I think that's accurate. I'll probably do another Wildcat breakdown as well.
Post by: GoodForAnother on September 07, 2014, 01:01:31 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 07, 2014, 01:03:39 PM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 07, 2014, 01:36:05 PM
Post by: EIGHTLUG on September 07, 2014, 01:51:31 PM
I'd put money down that Jones throws out of the Wildcat against Auburn.
Post by: Benja on September 07, 2014, 04:41:41 PM
Post by: Benja on September 07, 2014, 04:42:18 PM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 07, 2014, 04:52:05 PM
Post by: Benja on September 07, 2014, 04:55:08 PM
Post by: wabash909 on September 07, 2014, 05:23:27 PM
I'd put money down that Jones throws out of the Wildcat against Auburn.
Man, wouldn't that be something.
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on September 07, 2014, 05:35:32 PM
I like both of the Jones's. It's too bad we don't use either as much as we should.
Post by: Hurricane Cat on September 07, 2014, 05:54:20 PM
Benja's weird hate of Charles Jones is disturbing... Fanning sock outing himself? :dunno:
Not a chance, you need to pay closer attention to Benja's posts.
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 07, 2014, 05:55:43 PM
I'd put money down that Jones throws out of the Wildcat against Auburn.
I was going to post this. The doctor is setting up a scheme, folks.
Post by: i poo crabs on September 07, 2014, 11:53:25 PM
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Post by: bones129 on September 07, 2014, 11:54:30 PM
I'd put money down that Jones throws out of the Wildcat against Auburn.
I was going to post this. The doctor is setting up a scheme, folks.
Definitely.
Post by: star seed 7 on September 08, 2014, 12:05:46 AM
Charles Jones in the middle of the picture. My GOD!!! :love:
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:love:
Post by: bones129 on September 08, 2014, 12:11:48 AM
Post by: Stevesie60 on September 08, 2014, 02:43:15 AM
Post by: star seed 7 on September 08, 2014, 06:57:21 AM
Just a reminder that Charles Jones was a 2* with offers from us, Tulane, Arkansas State (when Gus was there) and South Alabama.
Yeah, I remember when he committed there was a lot of butthurt from the too cool for school'rs
Post by: 8manpick on September 08, 2014, 07:27:54 AM
Just a reminder that Charles Jones was a 2* with offers from us, Tulane, Arkansas State (when Gus was there) and South Alabama.Good point. Let's never recruit players that good teams want again
Post by: wetwillie on September 08, 2014, 08:19:13 AM
Post by: TownieCat on September 08, 2014, 08:24:32 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on September 08, 2014, 08:49:10 AM
Just a reminder that Charles Jones was a 2* with offers from us, Tulane, Arkansas State (when Gus was there) and South Alabama.
Yeah, I remember when he committed there was a lot of butthurt from the too cool for school'rs
In all fairness, his video was underwhelming to say the least.
But it's hard to argue with a Gus offer. That one year he was at ASU, we were going at the same players like nobody's business.
Post by: Asteriskhead on September 08, 2014, 11:10:09 AM
Only a soph, too. Thru 2 games he's been much better than Hubert as a soph.
I think Jones benefits quite a bit from more experienced QB and OL play, but I think he'll have a better career than Hubert.
Post by: catzacker on September 08, 2014, 12:56:08 PM
Post by: Bookcat on September 08, 2014, 12:59:31 PM
JFC. Jones' goodness is being inflated by the relative suckiness around him. Some girls are good looking because their friends are ugly. Jones is an avg big 12 back - he lacks any sort of real speed, imo.
not sure if we need real speed back there. It would help, sure........Like Hubert, I wouldn't describe Hubert as fast, but he was shifty, smart, and blocked well. etc.
Post by: catzacker on September 08, 2014, 01:08:28 PM
JFC. Jones' goodness is being inflated by the relative suckiness around him. Some girls are good looking because their friends are ugly. Jones is an avg big 12 back - he lacks any sort of real speed, imo.
not sure if we need real speed back there. It would help, sure........Like Hubert, I wouldn't describe Hubert as fast, but he was shifty, smart, and blocked well. etc.
Yeah. Speed sucks for runningbacks. I mean, no one needs a 100k salary, you can get by on 40k.
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on September 08, 2014, 01:13:35 PM
Post by: Stat_Cat on September 08, 2014, 02:29:09 PM
JFC. Jones' goodness is being inflated by the relative suckiness around him. Some girls are good looking because their friends are ugly. Jones is an avg big 12 back - he lacks any sort of real speed, imo.Just me, but I want to see him get in an actual foot race before saying he doesn't have real speed. Break away from the line and out run someone, I haven't seen him get the chance to show that yet, on a return or out of the backfield.
Also, "The Throw" versus Auburn will be epic...
Post by: davegladow on September 08, 2014, 02:40:13 PM
Bill wants to create an extra blocker at the point of attack, so he runs his QB. We know this. So whenever Charles lines up back there and slams his body into a mass of humanity for the good of EMAW, it's one more play that Jake doesn't have to. Given Jake's slight build and our QB depth, I emphatically endorse this course of action.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 08, 2014, 02:48:23 PM
Re: the Wildcat.
Bill wants to create an extra blocker at the point of attack, so he runs his QB. We know this. So whenever Charles lines up back there and slams his body into a mass of humanity for the good of EMAW, it's one more play that Jake doesn't have to. Given Jake's slight build and our QB depth, I emphatically endorse this course of action.
Plus, it's a fairly unpredictable formation and is pretty difficult to defend, especially in a league where defenses are getting smaller to stop the spread.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 08, 2014, 03:14:28 PM
However, we ran it twice where it lost most of its effectiveness on Saturday. 1st, we ran it after showing it before a timeout. It loses any and all surprise at that point because you know the defense discussed it during the timeout. 2nd, we ran a slow developing play (counter trey with two pulling linemen) on short yardage. I liked this new wrinkle, but at the time I didn't think it was a good idea because Jones had to go lateral before getting vertical which allowed ISU to blow up his blockers and stop it for no gain.
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on September 08, 2014, 03:19:39 PM
I will defend the Wildcat consistently because I think it can be effective when used with the right personnel and in the right situations. Jones runs really well out of it.
However, we ran it twice where it lost most of its effectiveness on Saturday. 1st, we ran it after showing it before a timeout. It loses any and all surprise at that point because you know the defense discussed it during the timeout. 2nd, we ran a slow developing play (counter trey with two pulling linemen) on short yardage. I liked this new wrinkle, but at the time I didn't think it was a good idea because Jones had to go lateral before getting vertical which allowed ISU to blow up his blockers and stop it for no gain.
We were going to run the counter trey before ISU called the timeout. Then we added an extra back and ran something different, only to get stuffed. The Wildcat failing to gain yards on 2 different occasions really is not a valid reason to stop running it, though. No play is perfect and every play will fail to gain yards every now and then.
Post by: kso_FAN on September 08, 2014, 03:26:27 PM
The Wildcat failing to gain yards on 2 different occasions really is not a valid reason to stop running it, though. No play is perfect and every play will fail to gain yards every now and then.
I agree. Its been extremely effective this year.
Post by: davegladow on September 08, 2014, 03:33:40 PM
we ran it after showing it before a timeout.
I was annoyed by this as well.
Here's some stuff on Charles from his prep career. http://search.nola.com/charles+jones+mandeville/ (http://search.nola.com/charles+jones+mandeville/) He had some pretty monster stat lines (for a program better known for its defense).
Post by: wabash909 on September 27, 2014, 03:48:57 PM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on September 27, 2014, 03:50:29 PM
Hey, Charles Jones! Nice work today, fella. Great job on the three TD's.
Yep
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Post by: Blackcats on November 02, 2014, 07:25:46 AM
D-Mac shouldn't be getting this many carries. Charles Jones is immeasurably better.
Jones is a little dinged up. Didn't need to run him 20 times today.
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on November 02, 2014, 08:03:27 AM
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Post by: kso_FAN on November 02, 2014, 08:47:57 AM
Jones is better but I can see why Robinson playing is a must. I'd like to know why we aren't passing them the ball in the backfield anymore. We seemed to have a lot of success with that at the beginning of the year.
I think we saw some teams that didn't account for them in coverage or bring much pressure. Snyder's offense has always used backs and tight ends in pass protection a lot and this year is no different. Snyder would rather rely on guys like Lockett and Sexton reading defenses from the reciever spot and running really good 2 or 3 receiver route combinations with max pass protection.
Post by: Functianalyst on November 02, 2014, 11:08:35 AM
Post by: Katpappy on November 02, 2014, 07:34:12 PM
It will be more important than ever for all the running backs, including Gronk to step up next weekend. We have to establish a run game.We need everyone, that can, to protect H2O.
Post by: MadCat on November 02, 2014, 11:14:39 PM
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Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 10:59:08 AM
Post by: DOD Take 2 on October 09, 2016, 05:31:24 PM
Two morons behind me complained on every Charles Jones run, they played a montage of his runs and one guy said "he should of popped all of those."
Of all the days to criticize him, yesterday was certainly not the day
Post by: 'taterblast on October 09, 2016, 05:41:00 PM
Post by: kso_FAN on October 09, 2016, 05:59:35 PM
I was only disappointed when he took himself out on the 1st fourth quarter FG drive and then didn't come back in. I looked at the sideline and he was completely gassed and appeared to make no move to get down with the coaches to get back in the game.
Post by: bubbles4ksu on October 09, 2016, 06:20:40 PM
Post by: Hurricane Cat on October 09, 2016, 06:56:09 PM
_fan is a national emaw treasure. so objective and fact-based. so elite are his evaluations.
totally agree :emawkid:
Post by: MakeItRain on October 09, 2016, 10:36:04 PM
He was very good at reading inside/outside zone blocks, finding a crease, then getting downhill. He had a couple runs were he used multiple lateral moves, but not very often.
I was only disappointed when he took himself out on the 1st fourth quarter FG drive and then didn't come back in. I looked at the sideline and he was completely gassed and appeared to make no move to get down with the coaches to get back in the game.
He had 19 carries, I'm sure he hadn't got that large of a percentage of the carries in a game or practice in a very long time. This is also the second straight home game that the leading rusher had fatigue issues, may speak to something else.
Post by: Big Sam on October 10, 2016, 12:13:06 AM
Two morons behind me complained on every Charles Jones run, they played a montage of his runs and one guy said "he should of popped all of those."
Always some serious dumb@$$ behind me at games making such brilliant statements. I always wonder if other fan bases have such dimwits.
Maybe not at KU....no one at the games to sit behind you.
Post by: stunted on October 10, 2016, 01:19:20 AM
Two morons behind me complained on every Charles Jones run, they played a montage of his runs and one guy said "he should of popped all of those."
Post by: MakeItRain on October 10, 2016, 03:15:02 AM
Two morons behind me complained on every Charles Jones run, they played a montage of his runs and one guy said "he should of popped all of those."
That's what the dude said, loudly. Not should have, not shoulda, but should of.
Post by: catastrophe on October 10, 2016, 07:27:12 AM
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 10, 2016, 08:45:13 AM
Post by: Panjandrum on December 29, 2016, 01:21:46 PM
1,832 Rushing Yards
20 Rushing TDs
33 Receptions
344 Receiving Yards
1 Receiving TD
5.14 Yards Per Play from Scrimmage
I think most of us are probably happy to see better true runners in Barnes and Silmon going forward, but Charles Jones should be remembered fondly for being a pretty damn good back.
Post by: kso_FAN on December 29, 2016, 03:36:42 PM
He really amassed a very nice career for a two star guy with no real expectations.
1,832 Rushing Yards
20 Rushing TDs
33 Receptions
344 Receiving Yards
1 Receiving TD
5.14 Yards Per Play from Scrimmage
I think most of us are probably happy to see better true runners in Barnes and Silmon going forward, but Charles Jones should be remembered fondly for being a pretty damn good back.
He was solid. Barnes and Silmon are bigger guys that focus on getting vertical and can break tackles. I think Jones did that at times, but his inability to consistently break tackles caused him to try to make people miss, something he was only at doing.
Post by: everyone shut up on December 29, 2016, 05:43:23 PM