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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on August 26, 2014, 10:55:54 AM
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Another major corporation flees the U.S. over the oppressive corporate tax structure that won't be fixed as long as America keeps electing "progressives" to the WH. Apparently, Canada is a much more business-friendly environment than the U.S. (must be the socialized medicine, amiright?). And Warren Buffet (that rich guy all the libtards loved, at least for a short period during the '12 campaign) is behind the move. What a hoser.
http://online.wsj.com/articles/warren-buffett-to-help-finance-burger-kings-takeover-of-tim-hortons-1409012196 (http://online.wsj.com/articles/warren-buffett-to-help-finance-burger-kings-takeover-of-tim-hortons-1409012196)
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/25/burger-king-is-mulling-a-move-to-canada-for-breakfast-and-lower-taxes/ (http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2014/08/25/burger-king-is-mulling-a-move-to-canada-for-breakfast-and-lower-taxes/)
And a senator is now calling for us to boycott Burger King (because it's way easier to punish the evil business as opposed to, say, reforming our tax code). Very Atlas Shrugged'esque.
http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/dem-senator-calls-for-boycott-of-burger-king-tells-consumers-to-eat-at-wendys-white-castle/ (http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2014/08/26/dem-senator-calls-for-boycott-of-burger-king-tells-consumers-to-eat-at-wendys-white-castle/)
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Burger Kings stinks. I wouldn't eat there if they were headquartered in my back yard.
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What is the solution, K-S-U? Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate below 30% and cutting back on the loopholes and deductions?
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I haven't been to BK in years and this assures I won't ever go there.
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What's wrong with a company doing what is best for the company? California is losing companies to Texas and other more business friendly states at a breakneck pace and nobody is threatening boycotts.
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What's wrong with a company doing what is best for the company? California is losing companies to Texas and other more business friendly states at a breakneck pace and nobody is threatening boycotts.
What's wrong with deciding to skip a restaurant that makes $$ in America but doesn't pay taxes?
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What's wrong with a company doing what is best for the company? California is losing companies to Texas and other more business friendly states at a breakneck pace and nobody is threatening boycotts.
What's wrong with deciding to skip a restaurant that makes $$ in America but doesn't pay taxes?
Neither is wrong.
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Lots of folks here would be tickled pink if Texas would take more tech companies at a "breakneck pace".
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How many neocons do you think will dine only at burger king now just to stick it to obama
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Lots of folks here would be tickled pink if Texas would take more tech companies at a "breakneck pace".
Yeah, San Francisco things.
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And California has been doing just fine with job growth, it seems like it would be silly to get into a bidding war with Texas or Idaho or Colorado.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
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And California has been doing just fine with job growth, it seems like it would be silly to get into a bidding war with Texas or Idaho or Colorado.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/laus.nr0.htm
I would be curious what the average income is for all of the new jobs in California and Texas.
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yeah, you should look for that
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I was just reading about this today and its remarkable how little of an impact the california vs texas jobs battle has actually had relative to the media attention its given - especially in conservative circles - reflective first in the lack of a difference between the two states:
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The policy group Good Jobs First, which is critical of such incentives, found that the net gain of jobs from relocations to Texas amounted to about 0.03% each year. A similar 2005 study by the Public Policy Institute of California found that, even when California was losing the most jobs to other states, those losses amounted to less than one-tenth of 1% of total jobs.
And if Texas has been as successful as Perry claims then he'd probably see the Enterprise Fund renewed,
Texas' efforts to attract businesses date to 2003, when the state nearly lost a bid for Toyota to build a manufacturing plant in San Antonio. Perry convinced legislators that the state needed extra sweeteners to compete.
Toyota made it clear that incentives had little if anything to do with plans to move the firm's North American headquarters from Torrance to Plano, Texas. Lawmakers that year allocated nearly $300 million from the state's rainy day fund to create the Texas Enterprise Fund. At the time, Texas was facing a budget shortfall for Medicaid and the Children's Health Insurance Program, and critics charged that starving those programs would have a greater economic effect on the state.
As the money flowed, Perry's office had ample fodder for speeches and news releases. A major early grant of $40 million went to Sematech, an Austin computer chip research company that agreed not to shift jobs to Albany, N.Y.
Perry credited the Enterprise Fund for other major corporate expansions by Texas Instruments, Citgo and Dow Chemical.
But as the years went by — and some companies missed deadlines for promised job creation — legislators and advocacy groups raised questions.
A 2010 report from a government watchdog group, Texans for Public Justice, analyzed 50 Enterprise Fund projects that had job creation targets in 2008 and 2009. The group found that two-thirds of the projects either had failed to meet job goals, had employment targets reduced or had contracts canceled by the state
One of those cancellations was Calabasas-based Countrywide Financial, which received $20 million in 2004 from the Enterprise Fund — an award that Perry called the "crowning jewel" of the program. When the high-risk mortgage lender collapsed in mid-2008 and was acquired by Bank of America, it had failed to meet job-creation goals and ended up paying back only a fraction of Texas taxpayers' money.
The same 2010 report found that the so-called clawback penalties amounted to only about 1% of the total disbursements for firms that failed to meet job-creation goals.
Over the last two years, as Perry's tenure nears an end, legislators have called the fund a prime example of skewed marketplace incentives. Lawmakers last year chose not to approve additional money.
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when it comes to fast food, i only buy american.
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when it comes to fast food, i only buy american.
You're missing out. Taco Bueno is great.
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California UE rate is almost double Texas. They've had net zero job growth since '07. But yeah, great sitch there in Cali.
Graph does a great job of pointing out how it's the same or better as Texas. Real service to its impoverished readers and their monthly rent equal to 60% of their take home pay
Some of you people have bad mental retardation. If Canada is poaching business, we've got a real problem
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What is the solution, K-S-U? Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate below 30% and cutting back on the loopholes and deductions?
I'd be in favor of electing Romney/Ryan and a Senate Republican majority and letting them implement their tax plan. Can we have a do over on 2012?
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California UE rate is almost double Texas. They've had net zero job growth since '07. But yeah, great sitch there in Cali.
Graph does a great job of pointing out how it's the same or better as Texas. Real service to its impoverished readers and their monthly rent equal to 60% of their take home pay
Some of you people have bad mental retardation. If Canada is poaching business, we've got a real problem
Latest figures from Bureau of Labor Statistics (July 2014)
In July, 15 states had statistically significant over-the-month changes in employment, 14
of which were increases. The largest statistically significant job gains occurred in Texas
(+46,600), California (+27,700), and Michigan (+17,900). The only statistically significant
job decrease occurred in Maryland (-9,000).
Over the year, 30 states had statistically significant changes in employment, all of which
were positive. The largest over-the-year job increase occurred in Texas (+396,200), followed
by California (+323,600) and Florida (+208,500). (See table D.)
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What is the solution, K-S-U? Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate below 30% and cutting back on the loopholes and deductions?
I'd be in favor of electing Romney/Ryan and a Senate Republican majority and letting them implement their tax plan. Can we have a do over on 2012?
No, it doesn't work that way.
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What is the solution, K-S-U? Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate below 30% and cutting back on the loopholes and deductions?
I'd be in favor of electing Romney/Ryan and a Senate Republican majority and letting them implement their tax plan. Can we have a do over on 2012?
No, it doesn't work that way.
Darn. So I guess we're stuck with crap tax policy unless Americans wise up and start electing fiscal conservatives to the WH. But, on the plus side, it's so much more relevant to have a president who dances on Ellen's show, plays a lot of golf, and (currently) supports gay marriage. Yay! Our president is cool, not-white, and beloved by the world!! And in 2016 we get to vote for The First Woman President!
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What is the solution, K-S-U? Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate below 30% and cutting back on the loopholes and deductions?
I'd be in favor of electing Romney/Ryan and a Senate Republican majority and letting them implement their tax plan. Can we have a do over on 2012?
No, it doesn't work that way.
Darn. So I guess we're stuck with crap tax policy unless Americans wise up and start electing fiscal conservatives to the WH. But, on the plus side, it's so much more relevant to have a president who dances on Ellen's show, plays a lot of golf, and (currently) supports gay marriage. Yay! Our president is cool, not-white, and beloved by the world!! And in 2016 we get to vote for The First Woman President!
Would you be in favor of lowering the corporate tax rate to 28% and cutting deductions and loopholes?
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ONE NEW WORLD ORDER UNDER CHICKEN FRIES
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But, on the plus side, it's so much more relevant to have a president who dances on Ellen's show, plays a lot of golf, and (currently) supports gay marriage. Yay! Our president is cool, not-white, and beloved by the world!! And in 2016 we get to vote for The First Woman President!
enjoyed reading this
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But, on the plus side, it's so much more relevant to have a president who dances on Ellen's show, plays a lot of golf, and (currently) supports gay marriage. Yay! Our president is cool, not-white, and beloved by the world!! And in 2016 we get to vote for The First Woman President!
enjoyed reading this
golf
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Seems ironic that Republicans are saying the U.S. should emulate Canada. Yes, it is ironic that Canada has better corporate tax policy than we do. Not sure what the "Republican" part is all about.
But it's also ironic that Republicans are suing Obama over implementing something they wanted to happen. It has nothing to do with the particular law. Republicans are suing Obama for changing a law in blatant violation of the Constitution he took an oath to uphold and protect. That's not ironic - it's Civics 101, and it's sad that a Court ruling is necessary to define the seperation of powers.
And I also find it ironic for Republicans to complain about golf. I think "mocking" is a more appropriate word. For example:
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See? It's funny, and if you're stuck with a Dithering Weakling for another 2 years, he might as well provide some comic relief. Since we can't fix the 2012 mistake, the best thing for the country at this point would be to just continue paying Obama's salary and the Air Force One and Security tab for him to take permanent vacation until 2016.
10,000 spoons and such, I guess. I guess.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/many-vacation-days-u-s-presidents-take/
President Barack Obama as of Friday has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, less time away from the White House than his predecessors. Here’s a look at how they compare. The totals exclude trips to the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland mountains.
GEORGE W. BUSH: During eight years in the White House, spent all or part of 490 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
BILL CLINTON: During two terms in office, used all or part of 174 days for vacation. Of those, 100 days were summers either in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, or Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
RONALD REAGAN: During two terms, spent all or part of 349 days at his ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
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From what I have seen, it really looks like most corporations are actually paying about 20%. I'm not sure if that is more or less than what Canadians are paying, but it's probably less. Maybe Burger King needs better accountants and lobbyists, though I'm sure fast food is pretty tough to lobby.
This is study is pretty interesting, if accurate.
http://www.ctj.org/corporatetaxdodgers/sorrystateofcorptaxes.php
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/many-vacation-days-u-s-presidents-take/
President Barack Obama as of Friday has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, less time away from the White House than his predecessors. Here’s a look at how they compare. The totals exclude trips to the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland mountains.
GEORGE W. BUSH: During eight years in the White House, spent all or part of 490 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
BILL CLINTON: During two terms in office, used all or part of 174 days for vacation. Of those, 100 days were summers either in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, or Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
RONALD REAGAN: During two terms, spent all or part of 349 days at his ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
So time at Camp David is not included as "vacation", but time at home is? The comparison is meaningless. Obama plays a crap ton of golf because he likes to hang out on the links with other celebrities.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/many-vacation-days-u-s-presidents-take/
President Barack Obama as of Friday has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, less time away from the White House than his predecessors. Here’s a look at how they compare. The totals exclude trips to the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland mountains.
GEORGE W. BUSH: During eight years in the White House, spent all or part of 490 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
BILL CLINTON: During two terms in office, used all or part of 174 days for vacation. Of those, 100 days were summers either in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, or Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
RONALD REAGAN: During two terms, spent all or part of 349 days at his ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
So time at Camp David is not included as "vacation", but time at home is? The comparison is meaningless. Obama plays a crap ton of golf because he likes to hang out on the links with other celebrities.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uTG3NacV9co
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
The "relaxation is important" is definitely the funniest defensive talking point.
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I absolutely care more about legalizing gay marriage than lowering the corporate tax rate. Pretty much everyone should because it's a civil rights issue.
Protip: give up the fight against gay marriage (and other "meaningless" issues) and I bet more people would be willing to listen to fiscal conservative ideas.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
The "relaxation is important" is definitely the funniest defensive talking point.
Why?
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
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I absolutely care more about legalizing gay marriage than lowering the corporate tax rate. Pretty much everyone should because it's a civil rights issue.
Yeah, but the states supreme courts are starting to take care of this issue.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
Sure.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
But that's 180 days over 6 years!!!!!
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
But that's 180 days over 6 years!!!!!
Well compare that to what Bush took.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
The "relaxation is important" is definitely the funniest defensive talking point.
Yeah, especially since most people are intelligent enough to understand that presidential vacations aren't anything like normal people vacations and relaxation is probably pretty minimal
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
The "relaxation is important" is definitely the funniest defensive talking point.
Yeah, especially since most people are intelligent enough to understand that presidential vacations aren't anything like normal people vacations and relaxation is probably pretty minimal
I like to picture Obama spending his "vacation" days HAF while watching Lost and BrBad on netflix
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some type of pun on whopper
Have it Your Eh
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
But that's 180 days over 6 years!!!!!
Well compare that to what Bush took.
Bush spent his working vacations at home in Texas or Maine, not taking over entire 5 star hotels around the world.
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The golf discussion makes the angry side look very ignorant and conservativetalkshowcaller'ey. Sure, the job is very important, and for that reason I would rather have a guy adequately manage stress as a human being than be a burnout stressed up and fully in control of the greatest military ever.
I think 30 vacation days per year is probably enough.
But that's 180 days over 6 years!!!!!
Well compare that to what Bush took.
Bush spent his working vacations at home in Texas or Maine, not taking over entire 5 star hotels around the world.
Yeah, 61 business days per year.
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EVENT, October 10, 1981 -- The funeral of assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.
October 10, 1981 -- Reagan went horseback riding at Camp David.
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EVENT, August 29, 1983 -- Two Marines were killed and 14 wounded in Beirut.
August 29, 1983 -- Reagan remained on vacation at Rancho Del Cielo, California.
EVENT, September 1, 1983 -- Reagan was still on vacation in California when the Soviets shot down Korean Airlines Flight 007.
September 1, 1983 -- According to Fox News Channel's Chris Wallace, as well as contemporaneous accounts, Reagan planned to remain on vacation until he was photographed horseback riding and was convinced to return to the White House.
FOX NEWS CHANNEL'S CHRIS WALLACE: I was covering Ronald Reagan at that time. He was in Santa Barbara at his ranch when that happened, and quite frankly he didn't want to leave. And his advisers realized how terrible this looked, and eventually persuaded him he had to fly back to Washington and had to give this speech to the nation, but it did take him four days.
EVENT, October 22, 1983 -- The administration began planning its military incursion into Grenada.
October 22, 1983 -- Reagan remained on vacation at the Augusta National Golf Club in Georgia. Repeat: golf resort. Here are three strikingly presidential photos from Augusta -- the golf resort! First, Reagan in his jammies being briefed on the Grenada plans, then, later hitting the links.
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President Reagan was still on vacation at the GOLF! resort the next day when the Marine barracks in Beirut were bombed, killing 241 Marines.
EVENT, July 18, 1984 -- 21 people were killed and 19 wounded when a gunman entered a San Ysidro, California McDonald's and opened fire.
July 21, 1984 -- On the day when many of the gun massacre victims were to be buried, Reagan went horseback riding at Camp David.
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EVENT, September 5, 1986 -- The Pakistani military stormed the hijacked Pan Am Flight 73. Twenty-two people were killed, including two Americans, and 150 were injured.
September 6, 1986 -- Again, while on vacation at his California ranch, Reagan went horseback riding with the First Lady and was photographed with a "Just Say No" sign.
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As far as I'm concerned any president can take off 365 days a year as long as they have a cell phone and internet access. Good grief, it isn't 1812.
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As far as I'm concerned any president can take off 365 days a year as long as they have a cell phone and internet access. Good grief, it isn't 1812.
yeah and regarding it being actual "vacation" I'm going to go with Nancy Reagan on this one, "Presidents don't get vacations — they just get a change of scenery. The job goes with you."
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So corporate taxes... Suck for non large lobbying industries, yeah. If you have lots of money and lobbyists, loopholes!
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So corporate taxes... Suck for non large lobbying industries, yeah. If you have lots of money and lobbyists, loopholes!
Pretty cool for people like Rick Perry also cause he'll be like president of calculators or something at Texas Industries when he loses the presidency again.
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As far as I'm concerned any president can take off 365 days a year as long as they have a cell phone and internet access. Good grief, it isn't 1812.
yeah and regarding it being actual "vacation" I'm going to go with Nancy Reagan on this one, "Presidents don't get vacations — they just get a change of scenery. The job goes with you."
Yes, Nancy Reagan said it very well.
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EVENT, October 10, 1981 -- The funeral of assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.
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Next time, instead of copying and pasting all that from HuffPo, you could just link to the HuffPo article, like this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html)
Also, please stop comparing Obama to Reagan. Obama couldn't carry Reagan's jock strap.
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some type of pun on whopper
Have it Your Eh
Nice. I wonder if BK will start putting mayo on all its burgers, and serving its soft drinks without ice?
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A president spending lots of time at leisurely activities and he and his family racking up millions in travel expenses for personal vacations is perfectly fine: As long as they're Democrats.
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A president spending lots of time at leisurely activities and he and his family racking up millions in travel expenses for personal vacations is perfectly fine: As long as their Democrats.
It's fine when republicans do it too
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I don't have a problem with presidents taking time off, but some entities via FOIA requests are uncovering that some of these mostly pleasure trips are quite expensive, and not really necessary. I do have a problem with that.
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EVENT, October 10, 1981 -- The funeral of assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.
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Next time, instead of copying and pasting all that from HuffPo, you could just link to the HuffPo article, like this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html)
Also, please stop comparing Obama to Reagan. Obama couldn't carry Reagan's jock strap.
Especially when it comes to napping
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some of these mostly pleasure trips are quite expensive,
:surprised:
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I don't have a problem with presidents taking time off, but some entities via FOIA requests are uncovering that some of these mostly pleasure trips are quite expensive, and not really necessary. I do have a problem with that.
haha, ok dax. what are these pleasure trips (are they exclusive to obama?) and what cost is left to the taxpayer that wouldn't be already? we have a multi-trillion dollar deficit and you really want to discuss presidential vacations?
btw, "pleasure trips" are paid for by the president - lodging, meals and incidentals.
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I wasn't talking about just Obama.
But really? Michelle's trips to Europe, to China etc. etc. That's just the latest example of unnecessary expense.
When you talk about the entirety of our massive bureaucracy then a few million of unnecessary expenses by this unit there, by that unit over there and on and on . . . adds up to hundreds of millions every single year. So don't give me that strawman copout about our deficit and how insignificant the unnecessary trips our executive branch takes is in the grand scheme. It all matters.
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What first lady hasn't taken a European trip. Good grief, it's a perk of the job.
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But this isn't Jackie-O jetting off with a few friends and couple of secret service guys in 1962. Even if a significant portion of these trips is paid for out of pocket (but even that's up for debate as FOIA requests are either just now being responded to, or pending), we live in a post 9-11 world and the security detail and all that goes with it is very expensive. The Spain trip cost nearly $500K of taxpayer money for security detail, the Air Force Jet and housing the crew and the like. In a post 9-11 world it's much harder to get that information, and suffice it to say it's 1A: Security Concerns. 1B: Political image concerns.
The information on many other trips has proven very difficult to ascertain, but if estimates on the cost of pre 9-11 trips to the same places are carried forward to relative costs in 2014. It's costing a ton.
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EVENT, October 10, 1981 -- The funeral of assassinated Egyptian President Anwar Sadat.
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Next time, instead of copying and pasting all that from HuffPo, you could just link to the HuffPo article, like this. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bob-cesca/if-youre-upset-about-obam_b_5712511.html)
Also, please stop comparing Obama to Reagan. Obama couldn't carry Reagan's jock strap.
That post comparing the two presidents was made less than two hours after you made this post
Seems ironic that Republicans are saying the U.S. should emulate Canada. Yes, it is ironic that Canada has better corporate tax policy than we do. Not sure what the "Republican" part is all about.
But it's also ironic that Republicans are suing Obama over implementing something they wanted to happen. It has nothing to do with the particular law. Republicans are suing Obama for changing a law in blatant violation of the Constitution he took an oath to uphold and protect. That's not ironic - it's Civics 101, and it's sad that a Court ruling is necessary to define the seperation of powers.
And I also find it ironic for Republicans to complain about golf. I think "mocking" is a more appropriate word. For example:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F2-ps.googleusercontent.com%2Fx%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fi1.wp.com%2Fwww.powerlineblog.com%2Fadmin%2Fed-assets%2F2014%2F08%2FReagan-Golf-copy.jpg%2Cqresize%3D413%2CP2C399.pagespeed.ce.rAmMnH-GJ4.jpg&hash=792fd2084e5e15147811f47f39f27be91ef72d12)
See? It's funny, and if you're stuck with a Dithering Weakling for another 2 years, he might as well provide some comic relief. Since we can't fix the 2012 mistake, the best thing for the country at this point would be to just continue paying Obama's salary and the Air Force One and Security tab for him to take permanent vacation until 2016.
10,000 spoons and such, I guess. I guess.
Is your memory that poor? There are doctors for that.
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But this isn't Jackie-O jetting off with a few friends and couple of secret service guys in 1962. Even if a significant portion of these trips is paid for out of pocket (but even that's up for debate as FOIA requests are either just now being responded to, or pending), we live in a post 9-11 world and the security detail and all that goes with it is very expensive. The Spain trip cost nearly $500K of taxpayer money for security detail, the Air Force Jet and housing the crew and the like. In a post 9-11 world it's much harder to get that information, and suffice it to say it's 1A: Security Concerns. 1B: Political image concerns.
The information on many other trips has proven very difficult to ascertain, but if estimates on the cost of pre 9-11 trips to the same places are carried forward to relative costs in 2014. It's costing a ton.
yeah, having a president in our current system is expensive
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
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http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/many-vacation-days-u-s-presidents-take/
President Barack Obama as of Friday has spent all or part of 138 days on vacation, less time away from the White House than his predecessors. Here’s a look at how they compare. The totals exclude trips to the Camp David presidential retreat in Maryland mountains.
GEORGE W. BUSH: During eight years in the White House, spent all or part of 490 days at his ranch in Crawford, Texas.
BILL CLINTON: During two terms in office, used all or part of 174 days for vacation. Of those, 100 days were summers either in Martha’s Vineyard, Massachusetts, or Jackson Hole, Wyoming.
RONALD REAGAN: During two terms, spent all or part of 349 days at his ranch in Santa Barbara, California.
Traveling to home state for vacation should be pointed out. Also, if they have Camp David #'s, why not post them.
Is Obama rough ridin' golfing again today? (I hope so, it's good for business.)
Gonna win 'em all!
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
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But this isn't Jackie-O jetting off with a few friends and couple of secret service guys in 1962. Even if a significant portion of these trips is paid for out of pocket (but even that's up for debate as FOIA requests are either just now being responded to, or pending), we live in a post 9-11 world and the security detail and all that goes with it is very expensive. The Spain trip cost nearly $500K of taxpayer money for security detail, the Air Force Jet and housing the crew and the like. In a post 9-11 world it's much harder to get that information, and suffice it to say it's 1A: Security Concerns. 1B: Political image concerns.
The information on many other trips has proven very difficult to ascertain, but if estimates on the cost of pre 9-11 trips to the same places are carried forward to relative costs in 2014. It's costing a ton.
yeah, having a president in our current system is expensive
It shouldn't cost so much - that's the problem. What really grinds my gears is when the Prez flies AF1 all over the country on the taxpayer dime to attend fundraisers, and justifies it by making a token appearance at a factory, hospital, etc.
I think we ought to limit the presidency to one term and not allow the president to attend fundraisers, period. We elect him to do a job, not spend a crap ton of taxpayer money feathering his own nest and those of his party cronies.
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Let's not kid ourselves. When it comes to term limits and money lost due to officials acting the fool, any one aiming at the pres before congress has an agenda.
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
I would go visit sick people and make their day. You know, actually use my political office to make the world a better place.
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
I would go visit sick people and make their day. You know, actually use my political office to make the world a better place.
Look at you!
Not a great way to relax, imo, but to each their own.
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
I would go visit sick people and make their day. You know, actually use my political office to make the world a better place.
Look at you!
Not a great way to relax, imo, but to each their own.
If relaxation interests you, then you really shouldn't want to be President of the United States.
I would also get Tim Huelskamp on the phone and then promptly put him on hold as soon as he starts talking at least twice daily.
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
I would go visit sick people and make their day. You know, actually use my political office to make the world a better place.
I'm sure your little pow wows with sick people would fix all the worlds problems
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Wow Regan was just out to lunch
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Just when exactly did his Alzheimers kick in? I mean, he could have thought he was golfing daily for the last two yrs or something.
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Just when exactly did his Alzheimers kick in? I mean, he could have thought he was golfing daily for the last two yrs or something.
When world crisis are erupting and he is playing horsie that might be an indication.
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Wow Regan was just out to lunch
Sounds like he just loved the crap out of riding horses and didn't at all care about golf
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The Pit should probably be moderated by a two party system, I nominate k-s-u wildcats and michigancat to be pit mods. good luck.
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Why
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I'd say KSUw and EDN
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I mean whatever you guys think you're here more than I am
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Why
no reason whatsoever
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I would like a third party, too
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The US loses hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Canada because they're shitty system is actually now less shitty than our shitty system, and you mongoloids turn this into a misinformation fest on presidents' down time.
The only thing I've garnered out of this thread is that Dugout has surpassed Edna as the worst pit poster and michigancat still really like to hear himself post.
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we need moderate mods like ksuw and dougie
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as long as ksuw is a mod
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I've really enjoyed this temper tantrum from our right sector.
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What I really enjoy as the first hint of perceived slight, the usual suspects swoop in to re-direct, point fingers elsewhere, claim "that's always how it's been", and the usual "well so and so did (insert whatever it was or is) as well".
It's really fantastic. Vigilance and zeal I tell ya.
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I would golf all the time if I was president. That's one of the worst jobs ever.
The golfing presidents are better than me. I would just drink a lot and watch arrested development.
I would go visit sick people and make their day. You know, actually use my political office to make the world a better place.
I'm sure your little pow wows with sick people would fix all the worlds problems
Where did I say any of the world's problems would be fixed?
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The Pit should probably be moderated by a two party system, I nominate k-s-u wildcats and michigancat to be pit mods. good luck.
we're practically identical, we just disagree from time to time.
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The Pit should probably be moderated by a two party system, I nominate k-s-u wildcats and michigancat to be pit mods. good luck.
we're practically identical, we just disagree from time to time.
If I agree to become a moderator, do I get access to the premium football content, or only pit premium?
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The Pit should probably be moderated by a two party system, I nominate k-s-u wildcats and michigancat to be pit mods. good luck.
we're practically identical, we just disagree from time to time.
If I agree to become a moderator, do I get access to the premium football content, or only pit premium?
You're already in charge of publishing pit premium. What more do you want?
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The Pit should probably be moderated by a two party system, I nominate k-s-u wildcats and michigancat to be pit mods. good luck.
we're practically identical, we just disagree from time to time.
so just like the actual American two party system. ZING!!!
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But this isn't Jackie-O jetting off with a few friends and couple of secret service guys in 1962. Even if a significant portion of these trips is paid for out of pocket (but even that's up for debate as FOIA requests are either just now being responded to, or pending), we live in a post 9-11 world and the security detail and all that goes with it is very expensive. The Spain trip cost nearly $500K of taxpayer money for security detail, the Air Force Jet and housing the crew and the like. In a post 9-11 world it's much harder to get that information, and suffice it to say it's 1A: Security Concerns. 1B: Political image concerns.
The information on many other trips has proven very difficult to ascertain, but if estimates on the cost of pre 9-11 trips to the same places are carried forward to relative costs in 2014. It's costing a ton.
yeah, having a president in our current system is expensive
It shouldn't cost so much - that's the problem. What really grinds my gears is when the Prez flies AF1 all over the country on the taxpayer dime to attend fundraisers, and justifies it by making a token appearance at a factory, hospital, etc.
I think we ought to limit the presidency to one term and not allow the president to attend fundraisers, period. We elect him to do a job, not spend a crap ton of taxpayer money feathering his own nest and those of his party cronies.
One term and pay them $10MM per year. That would be a hell of a lot cheaper than having to follow them all around the country for fundraisers!
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The US loses hundreds of millions of tax dollars to Canada because they're shitty system is actually now less shitty than our shitty system, and you mongoloids turn this into a misinformation fest on presidents' down time.
The only thing I've garnered out of this thread is that Dugout has surpassed Edna as the worst pit poster and michigancat still really like to hear himself post.
I want FSD to be a mod.
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First off, I want to thank cRusty for the link to youngcons in another thread. While I'm not really down with everything they talk about, I did find some stuff interesting, and I want to thank one of our resident, dare I say, left coast progressive posters for that link.
I don't really have much of a problem with Obama going golfing after the beheading announcement, I mean, the guy is pure political comedy most of the time, so why stop now?
But I do have a problem with who he was golfing with. Big time Washington lobbyist, big time investment firm guy (just out of a big lawsuit). Goodness, I know bizness is bizness, but I never would have thought the same guy who told he's not going to have any of those lobbyist and insider types in his administration (it's actually filled with former lobbyists) who is now out their bumpin fists with these "bad people".
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Canada is the best, just the best.
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I would vote for dax but would be scared that the board would run out of periods
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Tim Hortons is so awful. No one has even mentioned that yet.
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My Canadian friend loves Tim Hortons and bought a Tim Horton mug the last time he went home to Canada and brought it to work.
Really, I have a Canadian friend. (more a coworker, you friggin dweebs).
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My Canadian friend loves Tim Hortons and bought a Tim Horton mug the last time he went home to Canada and brought it to work.
Really, I have a Canadian friend. (more a coworker, you friggin dweebs).
We used to go to one in Upstate NY when I traveled there to work for a time. It's really no different than a generic Dunkin' Donuts (which in and of itself isn't all it's cracked up to be).
It's like how people in the NE can't live without Dunkin', but all over the whole country. It's so weird.
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the ft link i put up earlier is subscriber only. this one makes some of the same points, amidst other verbiage, and can be accessed.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-26/the-burger-king-tim-hortons-deal-isnt-about-taxes
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Tim Hortons is so awful. No one has even mentioned that yet.
The first time I went to one I was :excited: by the time I left I was :Yuck:
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Is Tim Hortons basically a Canadian Hardees?
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The whopper is a underated fast food burger, better than mcd's, good changeup from wendys, and they get better the drunker you are.
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the ft link i put up earlier is subscriber only. this one makes some of the same points, amidst other verbiage, and can be accessed.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-26/the-burger-king-tim-hortons-deal-isnt-about-taxes
Simply merging with TH, if that's all BK was doing, would not be about taxes. But that's not all BK is reportedly going to do. BK is not relocating it's corporate HQ to Canada for the weather. If you actually believe that taxes did not play a role in BK moving to Canada, well, I can't help you.
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the ft link i put up earlier is subscriber only. this one makes some of the same points, amidst other verbiage, and can be accessed.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-26/the-burger-king-tim-hortons-deal-isnt-about-taxes
Simply merging with TH, if that's all BK was doing, would not be about taxes. But that's not all BK is reportedly going to do. BK is not relocating it's corporate HQ to Canada for the weather. If you actually believe that taxes did not play a role in BK moving to Canada, well, I can't help you.
It's definitely taxes, and their execs probably want the Canadian healthcare.
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I doubt anyone is actually moving there.
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Is Tim Hortons basically a Canadian Hardees?
I thought Hardees was the canadian Hardees? :dunno:
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KC news radio reported the BK move as one to establish a completely new company that would own/manage the two brands, so yeah, taxes.
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the ft link i put up earlier is subscriber only. this one makes some of the same points, amidst other verbiage, and can be accessed.
http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-08-26/the-burger-king-tim-hortons-deal-isnt-about-taxes
They have a 33 year old CEO? :surprised:
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Even neo-soc and mezzanine financier Warren Buffet has admitted the primary purpose for the corporate restructure is taxes. Why are idiots denying this?
If that piece of crap wasn't gorging all the benefits of the restructure and likely diluting shareholders (the common man he supposedly fights to protect, lol what an bad person) in the process, I'd probably buy stock in this venture.