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Title: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Pett on April 07, 2010, 10:40:21 AM
3 PM presser.
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Post by: ZmoneyKSU on April 07, 2010, 10:47:01 AM
"I'm staying"
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Post by: CNS on April 07, 2010, 10:48:45 AM
"I'm staying"
:lol:  <----Xavier

X's press conf theme song: "take the money and run"
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Sugar Dick on April 07, 2010, 11:10:35 AM
This will be amplified when Selby announces his dying devotion to Coach Cal   :lol:
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Post by: FHSU92 on April 07, 2010, 11:33:56 AM
This will be amplified when Selby announces his dying devotion to Coach Cal   :lol:


Never happen, Selby is a ku lock and Lamb is a strong ku lean... so I hear :jeffy:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 07, 2010, 11:41:40 AM
Heard Selby is definite ku last night from high basketball recruiting IQ type.
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Post by: ChiComCat on April 07, 2010, 11:59:13 AM
They better get Selby.  We need strong competition from the Big 12, it will help us come tournament time.  Right now, its us, Mizzou, and a pack of Nortards
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Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2010, 12:00:54 PM
They better get Selby.  We need strong competition from the Big 12, it will help us come tournament time.  Right now, its us, Mizzou, and a pack of Nortards

Yeah, and take the south into consideration and you have three teams that aren't garbage K-State being an elite, Baylor and Mizzou being pretty good.  We need KU to get themselves up to just below pretty good to help the conference. 
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: catzacker on April 07, 2010, 12:05:36 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Pett on April 07, 2010, 12:08:20 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

The kid must have a lot of will. I can't even imagine what the bashing is gonna be like from the KU "faithful" after he declares at three. :cry:
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 07, 2010, 12:08:32 PM
They better get Selby.  We need strong competition from the Big 12, it will help us come tournament time.  Right now, its us, Mizzou, and a pack of Nortards

Yeah, and take the south into consideration and you have three teams that aren't garbage K-State being an elite, Baylor and Mizzou being pretty good.  We need KU to get themselves up to just below pretty good to help the conference.  

Exactly.  How terrible is it for our league that one team has won the league the last 6 years, yet they've only made it to the 2nd weekend of the tournament 3 times in those 6 years?  Terrible for the perception of the Big 12, absolutely terrible.
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Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2010, 12:09:09 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

You can bet Seff is giving his minions the business about letting him escape when his back was turned.  
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Post by: kstatefreak42 on April 07, 2010, 12:09:14 PM
haha.. KU fans I talk to think Selby is the second coming of Michael JorDan.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 07, 2010, 12:14:20 PM
haha.. KU fans I talk to think Selby is the second coming of Michael JorDan.

message Selby, act like uk fan. find some dirt. tia.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: _33 on April 07, 2010, 12:44:37 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

You can bet Seff is giving his minions the business about letting him escape when his back was turned.  

Heard these are plastered all over Lawrence. 

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4072%2F4500008507_56fb1a2e1b_o.jpg&hash=ddedd4a74c6bb15daf403ebca3ae6a34fb563e46)
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2010, 12:45:57 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

You can bet Seff is giving his minions the business about letting him escape when his back was turned.  

Heard these are plastered all over Lawrence. 

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4072%2F4500008507_56fb1a2e1b_o.jpg&hash=ddedd4a74c6bb15daf403ebca3ae6a34fb563e46)

lol
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Post by: sixsense on April 07, 2010, 12:47:54 PM
I am new , Hello  :tongue:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: wes mantooth on April 07, 2010, 12:48:26 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

You can bet Seff is giving his minions the business about letting him escape when his back was turned.  

Heard these are plastered all over Lawrence. 

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4072%2F4500008507_56fb1a2e1b_o.jpg&hash=ddedd4a74c6bb15daf403ebca3ae6a34fb563e46)

 :surprised:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2010, 01:10:53 PM
I am new , Hello  :tongue:

Hey sixsense, just a hunch but, do you know anything about sonography training and being a spambot?  I'll hang up and listen.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 07, 2010, 01:13:51 PM
On a personal note, I'm happy for X.  Can't imagine the hell he's been put through by Self.  X is definitely a strong person to get out of the plantation at such a young age.

You can bet Seff is giving his minions the business about letting him escape when his back was turned.  

Heard these are plastered all over Lawrence. 

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Ffarm5.static.flickr.com%2F4072%2F4500008507_56fb1a2e1b_o.jpg&hash=ddedd4a74c6bb15daf403ebca3ae6a34fb563e46)

Oh my . . .
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 07, 2010, 01:33:47 PM
This is like deja vu.  KU fans heard the same thing after we lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, Robinson, Stewart, etc after winning the national title in '08.  
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Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 07, 2010, 01:40:13 PM
This is like deja vu.  KU fans heard the same thing after we lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, Robinson, Stewart, etc after winning the national title in '08.  
prove it, we knew we would suck in 08-09.

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Post by: weird roberts foam finger on April 07, 2010, 01:40:50 PM
This is like deja vu.  KU fans heard the same thing after we lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, Robinson, Stewart, etc after winning the national title in '08.  

If you heard that from K-State fans, they were messing with you.  We started Darren Kent that year.  Darren frackin' Kent.  Frank should have been COY.

Am rather surprised Henry is leaving.  Saw something today that said he's the first one-and-done in the history of your program.  Congrats on treating your players like slaves for over 100 years now -- that kind of sustained abuse is difficult to achieve.
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Post by: EMAWzified on April 07, 2010, 01:42:49 PM
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This is like deja vu.  KU fans heard the same thing after we lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, Robinson, Stewart, etc after winning the national title in '08. 

lol at moombeam having to edit something he and every other KU fan has been posting the past six months.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 07, 2010, 01:43:21 PM
 KU fans heard the same thing after we lost  Stewart
also lol, vital part of that team
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Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 07, 2010, 01:44:51 PM
This is like deja vu.  KU fans heard the same thing after we lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Kaun, Jackson, Robinson, Stewart, etc after winning the national title in '08.  

ku just won the national title?  :confused:
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Post by: OregonSmock on April 07, 2010, 01:45:09 PM
Clemente is a HUGE loss for K-State.  If KU gets Selby, they'll be the favorites to win a seventh straight Big 12 title.
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 07, 2010, 01:47:32 PM
Throw a little chum in the water and look who shows up.

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Post by: catzacker on April 07, 2010, 02:03:12 PM
Clemente is a HUGE loss for K-State.  If KU gets Selby, they'll be the favorites to win a seventh straight Big 12 title.

so it's "IF" now?
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Post by: OregonSmock on April 07, 2010, 02:06:29 PM
Well, I heard he's a silent commit, but I'm not going to jinx anything.
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Post by: mcmwcat on April 07, 2010, 02:34:07 PM
silent commit
:cheers:
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Post by: KITNfury on April 07, 2010, 03:03:36 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Pett on April 07, 2010, 03:42:24 PM
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Self says he has "no problem" with decision. Just does not like the rule that the NBA has, either stay two years or go from high school.

Imagine Bill yelling this at Xavier when they are discussing if he should return or not, "Either stay two years or go from high school!!!" :curse:

Poor Xavier. :cry:

LOL @ X.H. totally hating his one year stint in Lawrence though.
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Xavier Henry not wearing a KU polo, but a USA Basketball polo. C.J. Henry is wearing a KU polo.

X is praying for a time machine to go back in the past and make a decision to attend Memphis. At least he would've won the Freshman of the year award in Conference USA. :rolleyes:
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Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 07, 2010, 04:26:13 PM
Well, I heard he's a silent commit, but I'm not going to jinx anything.


Well Selby help Bill get to a record second Final Four?!

I hope he is good, ku is embarassing the conference in March.
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Post by: get_HIT on April 07, 2010, 04:28:50 PM
 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Post by: EMAWzified on April 07, 2010, 04:33:40 PM
I unnerstand X cried like a bitch during the presser. Classic Stockholm syndrome.
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 07, 2010, 04:34:33 PM
I unnerstand X cried like a bitch during the presser. Classic Stockholm syndrome.

tears of joy
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Post by: Havs on April 07, 2010, 04:44:34 PM
The Morris brothers always seem lost to me, and without a leader on the court like Sherron, and no Aldrich, and now no Henry, there won't be as much production out of them because they aren't leaders on the court. We're now going to find out if KU's bench can really beat any team in the country as they had been saying all year... cuz KU's starters couldn't beat Northern Iowa.

However, I won't say too much, it's not like I can back up what I say with a good basketball team in my own backyard. I have to go next door.
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Post by: steve dave on April 07, 2010, 04:47:49 PM
LOL, how infuriated did Self act?  He was visibly shaken and pissed off.  Then he says he can't speak for CJ on if he's coming back next season.  LMAO, he is as good as forced out now that braces is gone  :lol:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: EMAWzified on April 07, 2010, 04:50:02 PM
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The Morris brothers always seem lost to me, and without a leader on the court like Sherron, and no Aldrich, and now no Henry, there won't be as much production out of them because they aren't leaders on the court. We're now going to find out if KU's bench can really beat any team in the country as they had been saying all year... cuz KU's starters couldn't beat Northern Iowa.

However, I won't say too much, it's not like I can back up what I say with a good basketball team in my own backyard. I have to go next door.

pfffft, the KU second team could advance to the elite eight.
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Post by: OregonSmock on April 07, 2010, 05:00:57 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:




Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
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Post by: KITNfury on April 07, 2010, 06:09:37 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:




Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.
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Post by: pike on April 07, 2010, 06:19:37 PM
Wait Morningstar hasn't graduated yet? If not LOL
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Post by: pike on April 07, 2010, 07:06:56 PM
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The Morris brothers always seem lost to me, and without a leader on the court like Sherron, and no Aldrich, and now no Henry, there won't be as much production out of them because they aren't leaders on the court. We're now going to find out if KU's bench can really beat any team in the country as they had been saying all year... cuz KU's starters couldn't beat Northern Iowa.

However, I won't say too much, it's not like I can back up what I say with a good basketball team in my own backyard. I have to go next door.

pfffft, the KU second team could advance to the elite eight.

But their first team couldn't make the sweet sixteen?  :lol:
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Post by: pissclams on April 07, 2010, 07:35:30 PM
The Morris brothers always seem lost to me, and without a leader on the court like Sherron, and no Aldrich, and now no Henry, there won't be as much production out of them because they aren't leaders on the court. We're now going to find out if KU's bench can really beat any team in the country as they had been saying all year... cuz KU's starters couldn't beat Northern Iowa.

However, I won't say too much, it's not like I can back up what I say with a good basketball team in my own backyard. I have to go next door.
sherron was not a leader bro.  sorry but i couldn't let that one slide.
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Post by: OregonSmock on April 07, 2010, 10:42:33 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:




Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.




Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 
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Post by: ZmoneyKSU on April 07, 2010, 10:54:02 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:




Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.




Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 

Will be very interested to see how Morris does without Cole in there getting all the attention.  Not that I don't think he's good, he is, but it's going to be different without the big guy around.  Sure, Elijah and Thomas will be expected to step up and produce... the question is how much will they and how soon?
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Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 07, 2010, 10:54:13 PM
Hey Ben any thoughts as to when the Feds are going to be done investigating the ku athletic department . . . and would you like to add anything to our discussion about Perkins admitting that expenses are now out stripping revenues in the ku athletic department??

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Post by: KSUTOMMY on April 08, 2010, 01:36:45 AM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:




Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.




Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 

Aldrich wasn't WHAT??? d00d, you have been known to give fallacio to Coal more than Bob Davie - c'mon Ben, just admit it - you are pretty worried if not downright scared of losing Penis Rubber and Dead ERRRR Missing Tooth and X
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Post by: kso_FAN on April 08, 2010, 07:33:43 AM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.
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Post by: Jeffy on April 08, 2010, 07:50:46 AM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:

Don't discount the fact that KU also loses 60% of its uncalled fouls as well.
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Post by: Andy on April 08, 2010, 10:13:25 AM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.


and lets never discount the questionable practices that had to take place to get that NC class in there.  Its clear self's recruiting has dropped off since then.  he's also been lucky that the conf has been poor for so long.  Things are turning now.
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Post by: _33 on April 08, 2010, 10:19:18 AM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.


and lets never discount the questionable practices that had to take place to get that NC class in there.  Its clear self's recruiting has dropped off since then.  he's also been lucky that the conf has been poor for so long.  Things are turning now.

Shift In Power
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Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 08, 2010, 10:23:44 AM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.


and lets never discount the questionable practices that had to take place to get that NC class in there.  Its clear self's recruiting has dropped off since then.  he's also been lucky that the conf has been poor for so long.  Things are turning now.

only thing i disagree with is his recruiting has not dropped off. Sorry.
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Post by: iCat Pro on April 08, 2010, 10:35:16 AM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:





Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?
 



:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.




Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 

Ben is starting to sound an awful lot like us in 2004.  "But we have Sproles coming back, and, and...."
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Post by: FHSU92 on April 08, 2010, 10:50:18 AM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:

Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?

:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.


Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 

The problem I see with next yrs roster @ku is inexperience at the 'Big' and PG positions.   The current roster is full of guys are turnover prone or foul happy (think of the twins as having 2 Duh Arthurs without a skilled 6'11" guy to draw attention).  The HiLo/Self halfcourt O doesn't work well with 6'9" or shorter guys, as noted when Cole was on the bench (or, with guys like Whitey/TRob who suck - which is why they combined for <2 minutes total vs KSU in all 3 games).
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 02:34:45 PM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.





You forgot to mention that KU was 33-2 and the #1 overall team in the country entering the tournament.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 02:35:57 PM
Clemente is a huge loss for us, but KU losing 3 starters (2 of which are AAs, the point guard and center), 40% of its scoring, 44% of its minutes, 64% of its blocks, 40% of its rebounds, and 41% of its assists is no big deal? Plus all those studs that are leaving are being replaced by completely unproven commodities. Yeah, KU has nothing to worry about.  :dunno:

Did you not say the same thing when KU lost Rush, Chalmers, Arthur, Jackson, etc?

:dunno:
You had two studs coming back from that team in Aldrich and Collins. They both played the two most important positions on the court and were obviously going to be a good core to bring back. I'll give you that Marcus Morris is good, but there's nobody else that has proven anything at all, unless you think Brady and Tyrell are centerpieces to build your team around (in that case  :lol: ). Losing the biggest defensive presence in the conference, and possibly the country, along with your floor general are huge, huge losses.


Aldrich wasn't proven.  I'm not saying those guys aren't big losses, but KU is going to reload.  Guys like Elijah Johnson and Thomas Robinson have a chance to improve as much as Aldrich/Morris did from their freshman to sophomore years. 

The problem I see with next yrs roster @ku is inexperience at the 'Big' and PG positions.   The current roster is full of guys are turnover prone or foul happy (think of the twins as having 2 Duh Arthurs without a skilled 6'11" guy to draw attention).  The HiLo/Self halfcourt O doesn't work well with 6'9" or shorter guys, as noted when Cole was on the bench (or, with guys like Whitey/TRob who suck - which is why they combined for <2 minutes total vs KSU in all 3 games).




Aldrich didn't play much at all his freshman year.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: doom on April 08, 2010, 02:42:35 PM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.





You forgot to mention that KU was 33-2 and the #1 overall team in the country entering the tournament.

Someone forgot to mention that to Northern Iowa too.   :lol:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2010, 02:44:14 PM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.





You forgot to mention that KU was 33-2 and the #1 overall team in the country entering the tournament.

oh my god. hang a banner and get it over with already.  :lol:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 02:44:25 PM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.





You forgot to mention that KU was 33-2 and the #1 overall team in the country entering the tournament.

Someone forgot to mention that to Northern Iowa too.   :lol:




The ironic thing is that Northern Iowa wins the exact same way as Butler.  K-State just got lucky enough not to play a team like that until the Elite Eight.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: JD Thundercat on April 08, 2010, 02:53:07 PM
Let's see.  

Rush, Jackson, Arthur, and Chalmers as a core led KU to an Elite 8 and a NC.  

Collins and Aldrich (and X this year) led KU to a Sweet 16 and a 2nd round exit.  

Pretty easy to see the KU program is at about the same place now as it was when that first group of guys left.





You forgot to mention that KU was 33-2 and the #1 overall team in the country entering the tournament.

Someone forgot to mention that to Northern Iowa too.   :lol:




The ironic thing is that Northern Iowa wins the exact same way as Butler.  K-State just got lucky enough not to play a team like that until the Elite Eight.

Butler is/was 10x better at what they do than N. Iowa, don't even try and pretend that's not the case.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Check out kenpom.  Butler is 5th in defense, while Northern Iowa is 16th.  Northern Iowa is pretty much the same team.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: doom on April 08, 2010, 03:08:34 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: mcmwcat on April 08, 2010, 03:41:19 PM
comparing n. iowa and butler => the lowest of the lbbiq
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: kstatefreak42 on April 08, 2010, 03:42:17 PM
Check out kenpom.  Butler is 5th in defense, while Northern Iowa is 16th.  Northern Iowa is pretty much the same team.
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Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
comparing n. iowa and butler => the lowest of the lbbiq




Northern Iowa  -  30-win mid major program that plays excellent defense, doesn't miss much from the free throw line, and hits clutch shots


Butler - 30+ win mid major program that plays excellent defense, doesn't miss much from the free throw line, and hits clutch shots



Yeah, just two totally different teams.  I'm not denying that Butler is significantly better than Northern Iowa, but don't act like they're totally incomparable.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: sonofdaxjones on April 08, 2010, 05:29:26 PM
The Overall #1 seed doesn't lose to a team like UNI, a team that in the next game got worked by a team that did not posses the same talent that ku had.

It was a monumental choke by the overall #1 seed in the NCAA tourney and no amount of Ben Jedi Obfuscation is going to change that reality.

Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OregonSmock on April 08, 2010, 06:24:42 PM
Not denying it was a massive choke by KU.  Just saying that Northern Iowa plays a similar style to Butler. 
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: OK_Cat on April 08, 2010, 06:27:32 PM
similar style doesn't equal similar team, obi-wan.

Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Andy on April 10, 2010, 02:56:41 AM
and lets never discount the questionable practices that had to take place to get that NC class in there.  Its clear self's recruiting has dropped off since then.  he's also been lucky that the conf has been poor for so long.  Things are turning now.
only thing i disagree with is his recruiting has not dropped off. Sorry.

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Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: slimz on April 10, 2010, 09:28:09 AM
Who do you think is going to be John Higgins' pet next year?  I'm going to guess Brady or Tyrel, possibly Point Plank'n.  Gonna be infuriating when those guys are getting sweet anticipation calls or traveling no-calls.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: CNS on April 10, 2010, 09:29:03 AM
Who do you think is going to be John Higgins' pet next year?  I'm going to guess Brady or Tyrel, possibly Point Plank'n.  Gonna be infuriating when those guys are getting sweet anticipation calls or traveling no-calls.

Marcus Morris.
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Do Work Son on April 10, 2010, 10:16:42 AM
How can we dominate KU when thier bench, aka Mario Little, CJ Henry, and Johnson can win the Big 12. I thought their bench was unstoppable and could win out in the league.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Xavier gone, our domination is just growing....
Post by: Pett on April 11, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
Elijah Johnson the next one gone?