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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: TheHamburglar on April 29, 2014, 09:30:08 PM
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Since Europe stopped selling us pentobarbital we're now just winging it. My dumbass state royally effed up an execution today. Aborted an execution 20 minutes in because the guy's vein exploded while administering a new combo of compounded drugs. The guys finally died of a heart attack 2 hours later.
http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t1 (http://www.cnn.com/2014/04/29/us/oklahoma-botched-execution/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)
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This Charles Warner guy that got a stay of execution for a few days has to be all :ohno:
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Ya know, I don't think the government should murder people.
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Ya know, I don't think the government should murder people.
I think you should stop murdering people, if that's how you feel.
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eff this state and the awful governor
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eff this state and the awful governor
It really is bad. Her one big thing was education reform and that's been nothing but three years of one clusterfuck after another. That other guy is going to get an indefinite stay just so she doesn't get anymore bad publicity after the clusterfuck that's been state education testing the last month.
Also, should be noted that it's now our state allowing a compounding pharmacy to make these knock-off drugs and sell them to other states.
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And no matter what, she will be re-elected by derplahomans
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They should contract out the execution to planned parenthood. Just a snip of the spine (smash the skull if the doesn't work) and dispose the inmate as medical waste. It's a woman's right to privacy to do it that way.
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oh man, i feel awful for this poor guy. :flush:
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Government has no business killing people, especially a state like Oklahoma that shoves religion down your throat 24/7.
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if only there was a way he could have avoided this horrible fate
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They should just kill him the same way he killed his victim. Obviously it was more effective and humane than what the state tried.
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They should just kill him the same way he killed his victim. Obviously it was more effective and humane than what the state tried.
Yes, we should make the governor or judge who ordered the execution carry it out in this manner.
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did you know that part of the reason governments moved on from hanging is that people's heads kept popping off?
we popped the head off a guy during the US-supervised hangings of saddam and crew. that was 2007 and we couldn't get the physics right.
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Government has no business killing people, especially a state like Oklahoma that shoves religion down your throat 24/7.
Enough with your war on women, sexist pig.
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Why not give them a heroin overdose? It seems to be effective and pleasant.
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Why not give them a heroin overdose? It seems to be effective and pleasant.
Pretty good idea.
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i'm strongly against the death penalty and solitary confinement. society has come far enough for those practices to be considered cruel and unusual. however, i also understand that many of these people are so mumped by the time that they're eight years old that they'll never be able to having anything approaching normal human relations. tough problems to reconcile...but we should stop winging executions in the meantime.
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I'm against the Death Penalty on moral grounds in that I think they are state-sanctioned revenge killings, and they typically don't help the victim's family psychologically as seemingly intended. Studies have shown it is not a deterrent. It's very obvious that it is applied to minorities at a much higher rate than to white people. 1/25 of those killed were actually innocent of the crime they were convicted of. And now we can't even do this procedure properly.
How many reasons do we need to end this practice? Oh yeah it appeals broadly to tough on crime politicians and the stand your ground-types. This is the mentality that turned America into the biggest prison state in the world by a large margin. If our Supreme Court weren't packed with Bush appointees, we might have a chance to ban the Death Penalty. I doubt it happens for a couple more decades, though.
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Why not give them a heroin overdose? It seems to be effective and pleasant.
I realize the government would have a ton of heroine that they confiscated during one of their drug busts, but it's pretty funny to think of a government employee buying heroine from a drug dealer for an execution.
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Death penalty should be extended to more crimes. It should also be carried out correctly.
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Expensive and pointless practice.
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Putting someone in prison until they finally die is more inhumane than just going ahead and killing them
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Putting someone in prison until they finally die is more inhumane than just going ahead and killing them
Exactly. Let those fuckers rot in prison under the guise that it is more humane.
Side note: it's definitely not more inhumane than attempting to execute someone, "exploding" their vein in the process, and giving them a heart attack two hours later.
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Putting someone in prison until they finally die is more inhumane than just going ahead and killing them
Exactly. Let those fuckers rot in prison under the guise that it is more humane.
Side note: it's definitely not more inhumane than attempting to execute someone, "exploding" their vein in the process, and giving them a heart attack two hours later.
well yeah, that part is not good
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I think we should end the death penalty because killing is wrong. I really don't care about the 2 hours of suffering this guy went through, though. It would have been nice if they would have just sent him to the hospital and decided to let him just live out the rest of his days in prison, I guess.
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Don't read too much into the "exploding" vein thing. That's actually pretty common and not as gruesome as the terminology implies.
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If it was my family member that this guy raped and murdered. I think I'd want him to die. And I doubt I'd be upset that he suffered so much.
For me, the only argument against the death penalty is what if they convicted the wrong person? Maybe, I would feel better if there's DNA evidence linking everyone on death row to their crime. :dunno:
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As a society we have a moral obligation to eradicate those people who have no regard for the lives of those people participating in society.
How could anyone sympathize with the frightening painful and unexpected death of a person who caused a inflicted a similar trauma on another person?
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Just shoot them in the face.
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As a society we have a moral obligation to eradicate those people who have no regard for the lives of those people participating in society.
How could anyone sympathize with the frightening painful and unexpected death of a person who caused a inflicted a similar trauma on another person?
I agree with FSD.
Next dude in line to be executed raped and murdered an 11 month old. I wouldn't be opposed to chopping off his dick before they killed him.
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Careful, if we decide to just throw out the eighth amendment, then the second might be next.
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If she just would have let him watch television...
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As a society we have a moral obligation to eradicate those people who have no regard for the lives of those people participating in society.
How could anyone sympathize with the frightening painful and unexpected death of a person who caused a inflicted a similar trauma on another person?
I agree with FSD.
Next dude in line to be executed raped and murdered an 11 month old. I wouldn't be opposed to chopping off his dick before they killed him.
I think we should just let that guy chill in his cell and drink lemonade, only make the lemonade extra gross without enough sugar and no ice.
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I'm ok with the death penalty in theory, but our flawed justice system give us no right to practice it. If even one innocent person could be wrongly executed, then we shouldn't allow it.
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Careful, if we decide to just throw out the eighth amendment, then the second might be next.
Some would argue it's not cruel. Maybe we use those air powered pistons that whack out cattle?
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Careful, if we decide to just throw out the eighth amendment, then the second might be next.
Some would argue it's not cruel. Maybe we use those air powered pistons that whack out cattle?
I think that killing somebody is cruel, and given how almost nobody else actually kills prisoners, it's also unusual.
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Careful, if we decide to just throw out the eighth amendment, then the second might be next.
Some would argue it's not cruel. Maybe we use those air powered pistons that whack out cattle?
I think that killing somebody is cruel, and given how almost nobody else actually kills prisoners, it's also unusual.
I'm just pointing out that there are a lot of people in this thread that hate the American Constitution.
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ALMOST NOBODY ELSE!
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ALMOST NOBODY ELSE!
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2013/13/130412-death-penalty-capital-punishment-culture-amnesty-international/
Just 21 countries in the world carried out the death penalty last year.
Looks like we are keeping company with China, Iraq, Iran, Yemen, Sudan, and Saudi Arabia.
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I don't care what the rest of the world does, FWIW.
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Just shoot them in the face.
Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them, but devise a machine to do it or something. Seems pretty simple and immediate.
Also, DGAF about this other than the cost associated with it.
I think it is pretty stupid that it is so hard to come up with a workable method.
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Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them
I don't.
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Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them
I don't.
Not a cruelty thing. not a prisoner thing. Would be pretty hard to find a hire-able employee that would do that for a living, I would bet.
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Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them
I don't.
Not a cruelty thing. not a prisoner thing. Would be pretty hard to find a hire-able employee that would do that for a living, I would bet.
Have you ever met a cop? Especially a small town cop. Love to kill people.
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I'm ok with the death penalty in theory, but our flawed justice system give us no right to practice it. If even one innocent person could be wrongly executed, then we shouldn't allow it.
Yeah, our justice system leaves A LOT of room for error.
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Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them
I don't.
Not a cruelty thing. not a prisoner thing. Would be pretty hard to find a hire-able employee that would do that for a living, I would bet.
Go down the concealed carry list and start making some phone calls. Tell them that they can get on a random call list for every execution and they can pull the trigger if they want to. You would have thousands of volunteers.
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Putting someone in prison until they finally die is more inhumane than just going ahead and killing them
Here's a CRAZY idea for you. (warning, multiple steps)
Step 1: Stop killing people
Step 2: Make prisons more humane.
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Why even execute them? Why not just stop feeding them effective a certain date and let mother nature handle it? Dead is dead, and that would probably save some money.
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Why even execute them? Why not just stop feeding them effective a certain date and let mother nature handle it? Dead is dead, and that would probably save some money.
I mean the notion that we have to feed them and stuff before we murder them because it's the right thing to do is just unbelievably absurd.
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I think the dude should get a bullet to the head from the bailiff as soon as the the judge sentences him to death.
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Why not just let the prisoner choose how they get executed? That would be a whole lot better than some last meal. I think I would choose getting shoved off the top of Mt. Rushmore. Nothing more American than that.
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Would be willing to let them live if we could do some medical testing on them that the FDA wouldn't normally allow for normal people.
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anyone watch frontline on solitary confinement?
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I think we should give inmates the option of whether they want solitary confinement or to live with the other losers. I would choose solitary confinement as long as I had access to a library and a court chaplain or really any other non-criminal to talk to for about an hour per day.
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I think we should give inmates the option of whether they want solitary confinement or to live with the other losers. I would choose solitary confinement as long as I had access to a library and a court chaplain or really any other non-criminal to talk to for about an hour per day.
well I think what you chose would not be what is considered solitary confinement for most prisons.
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Yeah, I mean, I get why we don't have a person shoot them
I don't.
Not a cruelty thing. not a prisoner thing. Would be pretty hard to find a hire-able employee that would do that for a living, I would bet.
Have you ever met a cop? Especially a small town cop. Love to kill people.
Hire-able
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did you know that part of the reason governments moved on from hanging is that people's heads kept popping off?
we popped the head off a guy during the US-supervised hangings of saddam and crew. that was 2007 and we couldn't get the physics right.
link?
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I really don't see a huge distinction in giving the government the power to put people in a cage for their whole lives and letting the government kill people. They are both scary dark parts of our society, but nobody has any easier solutions.
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The French already did create a machine to quickly and humanely carry out executions, but it leaves a pretty big mess for the executioners. Also it might make people realize they are killing someone when a head starts rolling around and blood spurts all over the ground. And it's French and gay.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
we also need to put lots lots lots less of people in prison
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
we also need to put lots lots lots less of people in prison
Well, yeah.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
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Why not just let the prisoner choose how they get executed? That would be a whole lot better than some last meal. I think I would choose getting shoved off the top of Mt. Rushmore. Nothing more American than that.
Pretty sure they do this in Utah. I think it's the only state with death by firing squad as a method of execution.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
You've never been to Norway have you?
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Definitley for choose your own method. I would like to jump out of an airplane and aim for a bucket of water. If I lived, then I would want sd to shoot me, because of my deep admiration for sd, it would be fitting end.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
You've never been to Norway have you?
No, can't say that I have.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
You've never been to Norway have you?
No, can't say that I have.
It's way different than here.
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Definitley for choose your own method. I would like to jump out of an airplane and aim for a bucket of water. If I lived, then I would want sd to shoot me, because of my deep admiration for sd, it would be fitting end.
That's a pretty good one. I don't think our shitty prisons would ever bother training you well enough to actually hit the bucket, though.
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What if we sent all of our death row inmates to an island and then sold hunting permits to gun owners with a fantasy of killing bad guys? That would be a real money-maker for us, I bet.
The Most Dangerous Game: Con Island.
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What if we sent all of our death row inmates to an island and then sold hunting permits to gun owners with a fantasy of killing bad guys? That would be a real money-maker for us, I bet.
The Most Dangerous Game: Con Island.
Would be all for this if all tickets were one way tickets.
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What if we sent all of our death row inmates to an island and then sold hunting permits to gun owners with a fantasy of killing bad guys? That would be a real money-maker for us, I bet.
The Most Dangerous Game: Con Island.
Would be all for this if all tickets were one way tickets.
If they shoot more than they have tags for, they have to stay. Most of these people are law abiders, though. I don't think you would encounter too many poachers.
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What if we sent all of our death row inmates to an island and then sold hunting permits to gun owners with a fantasy of killing bad guys? That would be a real money-maker for us, I bet.
The Most Dangerous Game: Con Island.
Would be all for this if all tickets were one way tickets.
If they shoot more than they have tags for, they have to stay. Most of these people are law abiders, though. I don't think you would encounter too many poachers.
Nope. One way only, but you don't tell them that. They figure it out after hunt camp is over and no plane.
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
They also have a 21 year maximum sentence, even for murder. Might be worth it in some cases.
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For Spracs argument, a brief on how Constitution lovers view Capital Punishment.
"Capital Punishment is an extreme exertion of state power and is of little use in a free society, while it is of great use to a tyrannical government. Proponents of capital punishment believe that such punishment may be justified as a deterrent to particularly atrocious crimes and as a means of keeping dangerous individuals permanently incapacitated. Furthermore, if people commit crimes, they may sacrifice their rights; if the legal system is legitimate, perhaps capital punishment is justified.
They also believe that penal justice in general should not exist. On this view, all penalties, including capital punishment, should be abolished. Others that support it, do so on self-defense or retributive justice grounds. Constitution lovers believe in the right and occasional necessity to resort to violence for police purposes.
There is also the fundamental problem of the possibility of error, or even outright framing of the accused. To this effect, lack of trust in government to make decisions (including life-and-death decisions) competently or for the best motives may confound the issue.
In any case, to anarcho-capitalists, making judges, police officers, and other law enforcement personnel just as responsible for their acts as any citizen, with no privilege or special right or exemption, will prevent abuse of force in general, and of deadly force in particular. Walter Block went so far as to say, "We have seen that in the constitution lover's philosophy, the death penalty is justified for those whose crimes rise to a sufficient degree of severity. Surely, there are heads of state whose evil deeds many times eclipse such a level. Thus, it would altogether be justified to end their lives by violence."
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I think we should model our prison system after Norway's.
http://community.ashworthcollege.edu/thread/57405
They can afford do this kind of thing because they export .5 barrels of oil per capita per day.
Our per capita incarceration rate is more than 10x higher than theirs. Their system producing a recidivism rate below 20% probably plays some role in that.
They also have a 21 year maximum sentence, even for murder. Might be worth it in some cases.
loophole that people deemed dangerous are held in mental institutions indefinitely
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Maybe we should just have a capital punishment list. You sign up for the list, and if you commit a murder, you are eligible for the death penalty. Don't sign up, and you are ineligible, regardless of your crime.
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Maybe we should just have a capital punishment list. You sign up for the list, and if you commit a murder, you are eligible for the death penalty. Don't sign up, and you are ineligible, regardless of your crime.
but what if you sign up and are falsely convicted of murder?
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Maybe we should just have a capital punishment list. You sign up for the list, and if you commit a murder, you are eligible for the death penalty. Don't sign up, and you are ineligible, regardless of your crime.
Little sticker that they put on the back of your dl.
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Maybe we should just have a capital punishment list. You sign up for the list, and if you commit a murder, you are eligible for the death penalty. Don't sign up, and you are ineligible, regardless of your crime.
but what if you sign up and are falsely convicted of murder?
Sorry.
Maybe we should just have a capital punishment list. You sign up for the list, and if you commit a murder, you are eligible for the death penalty. Don't sign up, and you are ineligible, regardless of your crime.
Little sticker that they put on the back of your dl.
Something like the organ donor list is exactly what I had in mind.
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For Spracs argument, a brief on how Constitution lovers view Capital Punishment.
"Capital Punishment is an extreme exertion of state power and is of little use in a free society, while it is of great use to a tyrannical government. Proponents of capital punishment believe that such punishment may be justified as a deterrent to particularly atrocious crimes and as a means of keeping dangerous individuals permanently incapacitated. Furthermore, if people commit crimes, they may sacrifice their rights; if the legal system is legitimate, perhaps capital punishment is justified.
They also believe that penal justice in general should not exist. On this view, all penalties, including capital punishment, should be abolished. Others that support it, do so on self-defense or retributive justice grounds. Constitution lovers believe in the right and occasional necessity to resort to violence for police purposes.
There is also the fundamental problem of the possibility of error, or even outright framing of the accused. To this effect, lack of trust in government to make decisions (including life-and-death decisions) competently or for the best motives may confound the issue.
In any case, to anarcho-capitalists, making judges, police officers, and other law enforcement personnel just as responsible for their acts as any citizen, with no privilege or special right or exemption, will prevent abuse of force in general, and of deadly force in particular. Walter Block went so far as to say, "We have seen that in the constitution lover's philosophy, the death penalty is justified for those whose crimes rise to a sufficient degree of severity. Surely, there are heads of state whose evil deeds many times eclipse such a level. Thus, it would altogether be justified to end their lives by violence."
That's not what I meant, at all. Also, what the hell is this?
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Looks like ydarg2012 just went all junkydarg2014 on Spracne.
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For Spracs argument, a brief on how Constitution lovers view Capital Punishment.
"Capital Punishment is an extreme exertion of state power and is of little use in a free society, while it is of great use to a tyrannical government. Proponents of capital punishment believe that such punishment may be justified as a deterrent to particularly atrocious crimes and as a means of keeping dangerous individuals permanently incapacitated. Furthermore, if people commit crimes, they may sacrifice their rights; if the legal system is legitimate, perhaps capital punishment is justified.
They also believe that penal justice in general should not exist. On this view, all penalties, including capital punishment, should be abolished. Others that support it, do so on self-defense or retributive justice grounds. Constitution lovers believe in the right and occasional necessity to resort to violence for police purposes.
There is also the fundamental problem of the possibility of error, or even outright framing of the accused. To this effect, lack of trust in government to make decisions (including life-and-death decisions) competently or for the best motives may confound the issue.
In any case, to anarcho-capitalists, making judges, police officers, and other law enforcement personnel just as responsible for their acts as any citizen, with no privilege or special right or exemption, will prevent abuse of force in general, and of deadly force in particular. Walter Block went so far as to say, "We have seen that in the constitution lover's philosophy, the death penalty is justified for those whose crimes rise to a sufficient degree of severity. Surely, there are heads of state whose evil deeds many times eclipse such a level. Thus, it would altogether be justified to end their lives by violence."
constitution lovers are anarcho-capitalists?!?!? :runaway:
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Pulled it off of some Libertarian article on Wikipedia . since they all love the constitution and what not.
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For gosh sakes, why would you quote that huge block of text and then give no indication of the source?
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For gosh sakes, why would you quote that huge block of text and then give no indication of the source?
I've only been bbs'n for three and a half months but I should have done better. Rookie move. Here is my source
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarian_perspectives_on_capital_punishment
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eff em, ban em, etc.
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Ya know, I don't think the government should murder people.
Weird, because you do think it should lie, steal and cover up its own criminal negligence.
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I'm against the Death Penalty on moral grounds in that I think they are state-sanctioned revenge killings, and they typically don't help the victim's family psychologically as seemingly intended. Studies have shown it is not a deterrent. It's very obvious that it is applied to minorities at a much higher rate than to white people. 1/25 of those killed were actually innocent of the crime they were convicted of. And now we can't even do this procedure properly.
How many reasons do we need to end this practice? Oh yeah it appeals broadly to tough on crime politicians and the stand your ground-types. This is the mentality that turned America into the biggest prison state in the world by a large margin. If our Supreme Court weren't packed with Bush appointees, we might have a chance to ban the Death Penalty. I doubt it happens for a couple more decades, though.
Is this a serious post? Everyone ignored it. Too insane and unfounded?
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?
Oh man. Great play on the whole "winging it" thing.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?
Is this a thing :dunno:
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?
If it's necessary to stop them from committing crimes against America, then sure. The country has a right to defend itself.
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So,
1. it's okay to kill people BEFORE they commit crimes, but
2. not AFTER they actually commit them
Got it.
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So,
1. it's okay to kill people BEFORE they commit crimes, but
2. not AFTER they actually commit them
Got it.
It's okay to kill people while they are committing a crime. Not before or after.
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So,
1. it's okay to kill people BEFORE they commit crimes, but
2. not AFTER they actually commit them
Got it.
It's okay to kill people while they are committing a crime. Not before or after.
your ethical line in the sand is interesting. Are you describing a self defense sitch only?
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So,
1. it's okay to kill people BEFORE they commit crimes, but
2. not AFTER they actually commit them
Got it.
It's okay to kill people while they are committing a crime. Not before or after.
your ethical line in the sand is interesting. Are you describing a self defense sitch only?
Mostly. In the case of using drones to take out US citizens, it's more murky, but if said citizen is taking steps that are going to lead to dead law-abiding Americans, then I really don't have a problem with it.
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Man, when modern technology catches up with the movie "Minority Report" (starring everyone's favorite midget Tom Cruise) everyone on this board is going to be piiisssssed!!
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I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.
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I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.
:thumbs:
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I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.
:thumbs:
FWIW, I don't think the drones are a problem - it's the killing. If we sent in navy seals instead of a drone, it's just as bad. I have no idea why people think one is OK and the other isn't.
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I don't think we should kill American citizens with drones overseas.
:thumbs:
FWIW, I don't think the drones are a problem - it's the killing. If we sent in navy seals instead of a drone, it's just as bad. I have no idea why people think one is OK and the other isn't.
I'm inclined to say that Navy SEALS involved in a firefight shouldn't have to the check the ID of a dude shooting at him before he sends him to meet his maker.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
Do you think the government should be allowed to kill American citizens overseas with drones?
Of course not.
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What more basic role does the federal government serve other than to kill people for the benefit of the society it serves? Post roads?
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.
As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.
As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.
As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.
I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.
As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.
I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.
Now that is a well executed joke.
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What are your thoughts on the post, FSD?
I can't speak to the accuracy of his data, but I tend to agree that I don't think the government should be able to kill prisoners.
It's a moral question and is up to society to decide. Society has decided execution and I'm fine with it.
As to your inability to speak on the accuracy of the "data", you honestly aren't sure whether the SCOTUS is stacked with Bush appointees or whether 1/25 murderers have been wrongly convicted??? GMAFB, that's got to be a joke.
I was speaking more to the relative use of execution against minorities.
I would hope that murderers would be in the most extreme minority of any society.
Now that is a well executed joke.
:party:
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Why not give them a heroin overdose? It seems to be effective and pleasant.
I realize the government would have a ton of heroine that they confiscated during one of their drug busts, but it's pretty funny to think of a government employee buying heroine from a drug dealer for an execution.
Heroine and morphine come from the same plant, poppy. Heroine is more refined and was commonly prescribed by dentists in previous centuries.
Medical uses: Ancient Egyptian doctors would have their patients eat seeds from a poppy to relieve pain. Poppy seeds contain small quantities of both morphine and codeine.
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http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article4014813.html (http://www.kansascity.com/news/nation-world/article4014813.html)
Utah wants firing squads. I hate the death penalty guys.
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What kind of sick person would sign up to be on a firing squad?
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So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something? I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.
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What kind of sick person would sign up to be on a firing squad?
Are you serious? I bet there is a waiting list of Judges
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You could fund the execution costs by holding raffles for ppl to serve on said squads in many red states.
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You could fund the execution costs by holding raffles for ppl to serve on said squads in many red states.
You could put together a really good list of people who shouldn't be allowed to own guns that way.
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So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something? I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.
What's hilarious is that you've made a man pulling a trigger compared to a man pushing a button on a machine or squeezing a syringe as an important distinction in your analysis.
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So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something? I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.
What's hilarious is that you've made a man pulling a trigger compared to a man pushing a button on a machine or squeezing a syringe as an important distinction in your analysis.
At least with a firing squad you don't know who actually killed him, right?
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I understand there isn't any distinction btwn triggers and buttons in that scenario. I also understand the traditional reason for the firing squad in it providing the ability to not know for sure who killed the person. What I am saying is that the lethal injection model doesn't allow for a squad of ppl to be unsure and the firing squad method assumes it is acceptable to shoot someone. Why not simplify it all and merge the two?
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Maybe we should put together a system where the inmate has to push the button to kill himself. That way we wouldn't have to employ killers to uphold our justice system.
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I thought Obama bought up all the ammo in the US.
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
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Yeah, death by firing squad or hanging or lethal injection or stabbing all has the same result. You're either for killing people, or against it.
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I'm wholly against setting up penalties to give people "what they deserve" fwiw. Just remove them from society until they show the ability to contribute. Cut funding to prisons with high recidivism rates.
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
what about killing a non-zero amount of innocent people in the process?
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what if they killed Adnan and Serial never came to be?
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I am not concerned about the how other than cost (huge with injection).
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A more efficient and humane way to kill someone is to cut their head off with a guillotine. It is telling that we don't do that.
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A more efficient and humane way to kill someone is to cut their head off with a guillotine. It is telling that we don't do that.
sounds icky. No thanks.
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:Rusty:
Just remove them from society until they show the ability to contribute. Cut funding to prisons with high recidivism rates.
This seems like when yard dog is a deliberate rough ridin' idiot in order to troll.
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
what about killing a non-zero amount of innocent people in the process?
If you're really concerned about that, you haven't been following the number of appeals death row murderers get now. I doubt most anti death penalty folks actually believe this though.
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So, if ppl are now ok with execution by bullet, why does it have to be a squad instead of just a machine or something? I mean, the process can be exactly like the lethal injection, tie them down, give them a huge sedative to make them sleep, except then have a machine or person shoot them in the head rather than injecting them with the killing drug cocktail.
What's hilarious is that you've made a man pulling a trigger compared to a man pushing a button on a machine or squeezing a syringe as an important distinction in your analysis.
At least with a firing squad you don't know who actually killed him, right?
Mrs. Gooch is on the ball!
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
what about killing a non-zero amount of innocent people in the process?
If you're really concerned about that, you haven't been following the number of appeals death row murderers get now. I doubt most anti death penalty folks actually believe this though.
How many appeals should an innocent person get before it's OK to kill them?
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If prisons are too expensive we should outsource incarceration to a third world country, like we do everything else.
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mock executions most of the time but actual executions enough of the time to keep potential offenders on their toes.
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mock executions most of the time but actual executions enough of the time to keep potential offenders on their toes.
you stole that idea from dax in the soccer suggestions thread
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mock executions most of the time but actual executions enough of the time to keep potential offenders on their toes.
you stole that idea from dax in the soccer suggestions thread
nope, just a fan of mock executions.
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
what about killing a non-zero amount of innocent people in the process?
If you're really concerned about that, you haven't been following the number of appeals death row murderers get now. I doubt most anti death penalty folks actually believe this though.
How many appeals should an innocent person get before it's OK to kill them?
Huh. No troll, you actually believe that our current justice system, with all it's procedural safeguards, is still executing innocent people? Ok. Do you have someone in mind who you think is innocent?
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If prisons are too expensive we should outsource incarceration to a third world country, like we do everything else.
This seems like a great idea. Could we have an American on staff in order to insure the prisoners were not being treated inhumanely?
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When you're genuinely upset over killing brutal murderers, I think you've lost perspective. Just my :th_twocents: Carry on with your butthurtiness.
what about killing a non-zero amount of innocent people in the process?
If you're really concerned about that, you haven't been following the number of appeals death row murderers get now. I doubt most anti death penalty folks actually believe this though.
How many appeals should an innocent person get before it's OK to kill them?
Huh. No troll, you actually believe that our current justice system, with all it's procedural safeguards, is still executing innocent people? Ok. Do you have someone in mind who you think is innocent?
Yes, no. Way too many people on death row to keep track of. I recently saw some probably baseless study by some think tank that estimated 4% of people on death row were innocent.
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Can I push the button from my living room?
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I honestly don't understand how the same people that fear our government turning into a totalitarian regime are always the ones that completely trust the government to kill American citizens.
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Can I push the button from my living room?
lol
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Can I push the button from my living room?
lol
Maybe 8 different people push a button from their living rooms, but only one button does the killing. That way nobody knows who actually killed the person?
Gonna win 'em all!
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I understand there isn't any distinction btwn triggers and buttons in that scenario. I also understand the traditional reason for the firing squad in it providing the ability to not know for sure who killed the person. What I am saying is that the lethal injection model doesn't allow for a squad of ppl to be unsure and the firing squad method assumes it is acceptable to shoot someone. Why not simplify it all and merge the two?
How about merging the two by having several syringes (some with lethal injection stuff and some with just saline) and then several guys have to push buttons to inject all the syringes, so you still don't know who really killed him.
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Can I push the button from my living room?
lol
Maybe 8 different people push a button from their living rooms, but only one button does the killing. That way nobody knows who actually killed the person?
Gonna win 'em all!
And half of the time the convict isn't actually killed they just send him back to solitary after letting him believe that they were going to go through with it.
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Just give the inmate a roofie and have him wake up in an all white room, with a white door, and a "window" that isn't actually a window but looks like one and it looks like snow is covering everything outside. Bright fluorescent lighting. The guards wear all white outfits that cover them from head to toe. On the inmate's white table is a red pill and a blue pill, with a note that says "follow the white rabbit." Both pills are a lethal dose of cyanide, but the inmate doesn't know that.
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If prisons are too expensive we should outsource incarceration to a third world country, like we do everything else.
This seems like a great idea. Could we have an American on staff in order to insure the prisoners were not being treated inhumanely?
I suppose, but that would cost more.
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Guys, it happens what, 4 times a year? I'll push the button and you all can quit worrying about it.
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What about a machine that shoots a bullet in a precise spot every Tuesday at 2pm? You just put the guy's head in the spot. Who is the killer then?
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Why not just let other inmates perform the executions? They are already killers anyway.
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Just give the inmate a roofie and have him wake up in an all white room, with a white door, and a "window" that isn't actually a window but looks like one and it looks like snow is covering everything outside. Bright fluorescent lighting. The guards wear all white outfits that cover them from head to toe. On the inmate's white table is a red pill and a blue pill, with a note that says "follow the white rabbit." Both pills are a lethal dose of cyanide, but the inmate doesn't know that.
:thumbs:
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our criminal justice system SUCKS
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/richard_glossip_innocence_governor_or_supreme_court_should_stay_oklahoma.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
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our criminal justice system SUCKS
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/richard_glossip_innocence_governor_or_supreme_court_should_stay_oklahoma.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
These people are animals, michigancat. It doesn't really matter if an innocent animal dies. It's not a human, after all.
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our criminal justice system SUCKS
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/richard_glossip_innocence_governor_or_supreme_court_should_stay_oklahoma.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Well if Barry Switzer can't get you out of an execution in Oklahoma then you're probably guilty anyway.
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our criminal justice system SUCKS
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/richard_glossip_innocence_governor_or_supreme_court_should_stay_oklahoma.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Well if Barry Switzer can't get you out of an execution in Oklahoma then you're probably guilty anyway.
Surprise stay of execution until November 6!! But it's only to determine if one of the drugs they're going to use is poisony enough....
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/30/oklahoma_gov_mary_falin_stays_richard_glossip_s_execution_until_november.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/30/oklahoma_gov_mary_falin_stays_richard_glossip_s_execution_until_november.html)
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our criminal justice system SUCKS
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/jurisprudence/2015/09/richard_glossip_innocence_governor_or_supreme_court_should_stay_oklahoma.html?wpsrc=sh_all_dt_tw_top
Well if Barry Switzer can't get you out of an execution in Oklahoma then you're probably guilty anyway.
Surprise stay of execution until November 6!! But it's only to determine if one of the drugs they're going to use is poisony enough....
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/30/oklahoma_gov_mary_falin_stays_richard_glossip_s_execution_until_november.html (http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_slatest/2015/09/30/oklahoma_gov_mary_falin_stays_richard_glossip_s_execution_until_november.html)
It's amazing he's even guilty. It's all based on the testimony of the guy who admitted to actually committing the murder! That crap's crazy!
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The prosecutor should be in jail.