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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: Trogdor on January 21, 2014, 11:10:19 PM
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http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/10328706/frank-martin-south-carolina-gamecocks-apologizes-tirade-directed-player
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Pitbull fan. DALE! :Woot:
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I miss him so much. We were seriously blessed. Does oscar Weber hang with Pitbull? Hall & Oates, maybe.
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The only coach who can abuse his players, apologize, and be loved
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Man, Pitbull just F&$%in loves to F$*%in party, eh? :Woot: :Woot: :emawkid:
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I miss him so much. We were seriously blessed. Does oscar Weber hang with Pitbull? Hall & Oates, maybe.
Partridge Family or The Osmonds.
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Yeah, that's more like it. Maybe we can get a picture of Weber on a tour bus handing a K-State jersey off to Paul Anka.
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This is more oscar's style
:Woot: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0d5eP0wWLQY
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Player abuse is much more tolerated when you're winning. How long before Furious Frank is on the hot seat?
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Player abuse is much more tolerated when you're winning. How long before Furious Frank is on the hot seat?
He's getting better players in. His team might get better, and I think he should get 4 years to show what he can do there. But he's off to a truly horrible start (4-18 in conference, so far). If he was at a place that cared about basketball, he'd be in more trouble.
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This guy is a traitor, psychopathic, hypocritical loser. Get over him and move on.
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History tells us whoever he yelled at deserved it.
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Last in the SEC and a 7-10 record is really eating at him. They are worse now than they were at this point last year.
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Player abuse is much more tolerated when you're winning. How long before Furious Frank is on the hot seat?
He's getting better players in. His team might get better, and I think he should get 4 years to show what he can do there. But he's off to a truly horrible start (4-18 in conference, so far). If he was at a place that cared about basketball, he'd be in more trouble.
HEY, I just realized oscar is 18-6 in conference and Frank is 4-18 in conference.
Almost mirror images!
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I'm surprised how bad Frank's defense is this year. His team is a fouling machine, I bet SC games are taking 3+ hours this year.
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Probably doesn't have to produce until year 4. Make the tourney 1 time in his first 5 years and I think they will renew his deal.
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Last in the SEC and a 7-10 record is really eating at him. They are worse now than they were at this point last year.
Tougher SOS tho.
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it won't be long until frank is joining ricardo patton's staff. it's only a matter of time.
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Player abuse is much more tolerated when you're winning. How long before Furious Frank is on the hot seat?
It's South Carolina....
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Player abuse is much more tolerated when you're winning. How long before Furious Frank is on the hot seat?
It's South Carolina....
Arent they still trying to abolish slavery?
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I think Frank has a 6-year contract. They will let him suck for at least 4 years before they consider the axe.
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97 to Georgia. Lol.
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New AD has already neutered Frank.
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Franks team looked they couldn't have possibly given a $hit about the game. Frank did very intently look at a stat sheet down 24 though.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASPLHpnjs0k&feature=youtu.be
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASPLHpnjs0k&feature=youtu.be
that was pretty painful to watch, even for one accustomed to frank
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASPLHpnjs0k&feature=youtu.be
that was pretty painful to watch, even for one accustomed to frank
Man, he is close to rock bottom. :Crybaby:
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Looks like a guy that just pushed his hand all in and lost to some dork. That dork being oscar. #emaw He should probably take up drinking again. Honeymoon period is over. :frown:
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Never feel bad for someone who makes as much as he does
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I'm glad we harvested his best years. The feast was bountiful and I ate heartily.
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I'm glad we harvested his best years. The feast was bountiful and I ate heartily.
Man, he ate off huggies recruites, left when it was "dried out" and here we are. Imagine that.
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I'm glad we harvested his best years. The feast was bountiful and I ate heartily.
Man, he ate off huggies recruites, left when it was "dried out" and here we are. Imagine that.
Frank definitely benefitted from having guys who fit his style of basketball already in place. South Carolina can definitely turn it around, but he's not starting with JYCs like Jamar, Dom, Jake, Lou, etc. I really wonder where Frank's career would be if he had gone to an equal or better program on his own terms. At this point, it doesn't look like Frank is the kind of guy who can turn a program around. I love Frank for everything he did for us, but man, through a year and a half of oscar, I think we're in a much better place.
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Frank walked in the door of the head coaches office and found Michael Beasley and Bill Walker sitting in his leather chairs. Only an idiot would have failed to build on that.
He doesn't have a clue as to how to build a program and sitting over on the bench starring at a stat sheet looking real mad isn't going to fix anything.
He's already being forced to apologize to players and fans by an AD who didn't hire him at a school where board of trustee members who wanted Greg Marshall still hold their positions of power.
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dax, you were really giving it to ole' frank on twitter yesterday. no @, tho.
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I love it when Dax gets mad on twitter.
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his act is so old and he's just not a very intelligent guy. for his own sake, i would hope he'd learn from his mistakes but he's so stubborn and caught up in his own persona/hype that he just can't let himself change. his constant bashing of his players does has no positive effect on the team as a whole. the guy and his team are circling the drain.
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Franks #1 fan is himself. Brad Underwood was the real talent at K:State! http://sfajacks.cstv.com/sports/m-baskbl/sched/sasu-m-baskbl-sched.html
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guys we loved frank when he was here (still do). why bash him now? :frown:
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guys we loved frank when he was here (still do). why bash him now? :frown:
Cause everything he stood for was a lie. Atleast in my eyes. You can like him tho. It's just my oppinion, man. :D
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guys we loved frank when he was here (still do). why bash him now? :frown:
Cause everything he stood for was a lie. Atleast in my eyes. You can like him tho. It's just my oppinion, man. :D
i mean, i feel you, but like, every athletic coach ever basically lies all the time.
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Frank was on 810 this morning talking about the upcoming matchup with Missouri.
It was pretty entertaining. He commented how his 4 and 5's accumulated more fouls than rebounds, shots on goal, and blocks combined last night.
He said Georgia is a great "driving" team. "They drive and get to the foul line, and that maybe we (USC) should start doing more of that." "We wouldn't have to run our offenses anymore."
I think it was Nate who commented to Frank "so it sounds like you aren't a huge fan of the new rules." Frank responds with "I'm a Chameleon. I will adapt to the new rules. I'm going to have to just go out and start recruiting 6'5" and 6'6" guys that pass the ball around the arc until one of them has the energy to put their head down and drive to the basket to create a foul."
I think Frank sees that his head coaching days are numbered. He needs Brad and he needs talented recruits.
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The 4 crappiest players and their dads should threaten to transfer.
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Frank was on 810 this morning talking about the upcoming matchup with Missouri.
It was pretty entertaining. He commented how his 4 and 5's accumulated more fouls than rebounds, shots on goal, and blocks combined last night.
He said Georgia is a great "driving" team. "They drive and get to the foul line, and that maybe we (USC) should start doing more of that." "We wouldn't have to run our offenses anymore."
I think it was Nate who commented to Frank "so it sounds like you aren't a huge fan of the new rules." Frank responds with "I'm a Chameleon. I will adapt to the new rules. I'm going to have to just go out and start recruiting 6'5" and 6'6" guys that pass the ball around the arc until one of them has the energy to put their head down and drive to the basket to create a foul."
I think Frank sees that his head coaching days are numbered. He needs Brad and he needs talented recruits.
Frank sounds really really butthurt
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guys we loved frank when he was here (still do). why bash him now? :frown:
no we didn't.
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Frank responds with "I'm a Chameleon. I will adapt to the new rules. I'm going to have to just go out and start recruiting 6'5" and 6'6" guys that pass the ball around the arc until one of them has the energy to put their head down and drive to the basket to create a foul."
my goodness
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his schtick was old. the gig was up. cliche, cliche, cliche.
he didn't like currie, thought he could find a better situation, didn't. now he's in a worse situation; publicly exposed as a bully with a crappy team. fun times frank, fun times.
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Frank needs a Jacob Pullen.
Not necessarily a player that good, but Pullen obviously bought into Frank and had a similar chip on his shoulder that carried over to how the team plays, and to a lesser extent guys like Jamar. Beasley and Walker, etc. got Frank off to a good start, but Pullen helped carry him and contributed a lot IMHO to Frank building the program into his mold. One the key attributes of Frank was that he simply valued playing hard and toughness as skills and I think that's a big reason his teams won. Granted, there isn't a lot tangibly in the numbers that measures that, but I think his overwhelming defense (TO%), rebounding, and FT rate as strengths of his teams demonstrate those skills at least in part.
At the end of the day its simple; Frank needs that key player that buys in and has a personality similar to his and it doesn't look like he has that right now. If he doesn't find one he will fail.
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Here's Franks recruiting class from last year. For the "wait and see" crowd, he had more to work with off his Freshman class, then we did, according to Rivals: http://rivals.yahoo.com/southcarolina/basketball/recruiting/commitments/2013/southcarolina-70
Also, our Seniors have been garbage until Southwell stepped up all of a sudden. So, yeah. We might have "more" to work with, but don't take guys like Moose, Frank!
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martin-cut-off-nose-to-spite-face
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guys we loved frank when he was here (still do). why bash him now? :frown:
I'm enjoying his Woolyesque tenure at SoCar. I find myself wondering how many years it will be before he grasps that elusive NIT bid. I wouldn't consider that "bashing" him, though.
personal opinion. JC was heavy handed with Frank. The crap with Jamar was ridiculous. But, I also believe that Frank could've patched it up with JC and made it work if he really wanted to be in Manhattan. I think if he had a stable of horses with solid recruiting on the horizon, along with his new practice facility, Frank wouldv'e tolerated JC like he did previously. Personally, I think he saw the writing on the wall. he bought low and sold high. nobody can blame him for that, I guess. He thought he was bigger than KSU basketball. he gambled.
Guess I just can't imagine being loyal to a guy who crap on this school and program and bolted for a lesser program because his AD was a jerk. Frank wasn't forced out. He left because he wanted to. And he overvalued his own worth. SoCar is now getting a full feature of what we got a small glimpse of. And now, with the new foul rules, I see the Frank Martin brand diminishing even more.
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I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
And I think that recruiting class looks pretty good? :dunno:
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Also, what is obvious. It was easier to lose under Frank cause he was entertaining and he was the best we have had in a LONG time. oscar is a goof, so he's easier to point fingers at, due to past history, but doesn't get the pat on the back like Frank did, do to his perception.
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I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
And I think that recruiting class looks pretty good? :dunno:
Yeah, he probably will still be okay. His best player is the freshman kid and a couple other freshman are pretty good.
I am surprised that his defense has been below average. And while his teams fouled a lot here, SC is giving up a FT rate of 60% for the season (and 78.2% in 5 SEC games!). That's just crazy fouling.
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I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
And I think that recruiting class looks pretty good? :dunno:
Yeah, he probably will still be okay. His best player is the freshman kid and a couple other freshman are pretty good.
I am surprised that his defense has been below average. And while his teams fouled a lot here, SC is giving up a FT rate of 60% for the season (and 78.2% in 5 SEC games!). That's just crazy fouling.
His team have never been great at on ball defending.
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Yeah, he probably will still be okay. His best player is the freshman kid and a couple other freshman are pretty good.
What does "okay" mean? He's in year 2 and his program is the worst in the SEC. I look at a 14-team SEC where maybe 4-5 teams will go to the NCAA and I don't see any way SoCar is NCAA bound in the next 2-3 years. Maybe I'm wrong. But, I wouldn't consider a possible NIT bid in year 3 and and NCAA bid in year 5 to be OK. I think he's in trouble, his only saving grace being the fact that SoCar gives zero shits about basketball.
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I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
And I think that recruiting class looks pretty good? :dunno:
Yeah, he probably will still be okay. His best player is the freshman kid and a couple other freshman are pretty good.
I am surprised that his defense has been below average. And while his teams fouled a lot here, SC is giving up a FT rate of 60% for the season (and 78.2% in 5 SEC games!). That's just crazy fouling.
His team have never been great at on ball defending.
Yes and no. His defense weren't ever designed to be "sound" in containing ball handlers, they are designed to overwhelm and frustrate (and they were really good at it). I wrote about it several years ago: http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=1786
Yeah, he probably will still be okay. His best player is the freshman kid and a couple other freshman are pretty good.
What does "okay" mean? He's in year 2 and his program is the worst in the SEC. I look at a 14-team SEC where maybe 4-5 teams will go to the NCAA and I don't see any way SoCar is NCAA bound in the next 2-3 years. Maybe I'm wrong. But, I wouldn't consider a possible NIT bid in year 3 and and NCAA bid in year 5 to be OK. I think he's in trouble, his only saving grace being the fact that SoCar gives zero shits about basketball.
I think the switch could flip and he could be .500 (or better) in the SEC next year and an NIT team (at minimum). Then a really good team 2 years from now and in the NCAA tornament.
But what you said could happen too, I just don't think its over for him yet.
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Looks like a guy that just pushed his hand all in and lost to some dork. That dork being oscar. #emaw He should probably take up drinking again. Honeymoon period is over. :frown:
Illinois lost to oscar and Frank lost to ADJC. You gotta keep your dorks and who lost to them straight.
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But what you said could happen too, I just don't think its over for him yet.
I don't think it's over for him either. I just think the SEC is bad this year and, if your team is the worst of the worst, that's indicative of a larger problem than talent gap. I can't see a local 4* PG coming in and changing to tide. who knows.
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Who cares?
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Who cares?
i guess you care. otherwise, why post in a thread about Frank Martin? :dunno:
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But what you said could happen too, I just don't think its over for him yet.
I don't think it's over for him either. I just think the SEC is bad this year and, if your team is the worst of the worst, that's indicative of a larger problem than talent gap. I can't see a local 4* PG coming in and changing to tide. who knows.
True, but I remember stretches of seasons where the Cats looked like they would be pretty bad and something clicked and they figured out. Granted, entire seasons like that could become a bigger problem.
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Looks like a guy that just pushed his hand all in and lost to some dork. That dork being oscar. #emaw He should probably take up drinking again. Honeymoon period is over. :frown:
Illinois lost to oscar and Frank lost to ADJC. You gotta keep your dorks and who lost to them straight.
Good point.
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True, but I remember stretches of seasons where the Cats looked like they would be pretty bad and something clicked and they figured out. Granted, entire seasons like that could become a bigger problem.
There were some stretches over the years. But, never 7-11, 0-5 with no end in sight. there are advantages to riding Huggins' coat tails.
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True, but I remember stretches of seasons where the Cats looked like they would be pretty bad and something clicked and they figured out. Granted, entire seasons like that could become a bigger problem.
There were some stretches over the years. But, never 7-11, 0-5 with no end in sight. there are advantages to riding Huggins' coat tails.
I don't think it's a good idea for any coach in a stable position to take for a fired coach unless it's at a blue-blood. Oliver Purnell's another good example of this. We had some pretty good "goodwill bank" discussions.
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Its not even Frankuary yet
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But seriously I wish Frank would do well. I enjoyed his time with us.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
So it was organized like this?:
Frank - be mean and yell
Brad - Coach Hoops
Dalonte - Recruit
Scott - Beef 'em up
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I mean I'm sure Underwood is a fine coach, but he was there for Frank's shitshow of a season last year.
The one thing Underwood better than Frank was choose his job - 6 of his top 7 players are returners from a team that won 27 games. Brad's and Frank's records this year are not evidence that Brad is better at coaching, just better at choosing jobs.
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Dalonte was under appreciated for is X and Oing. Franks staff is far worse at USCjr then at K-State and it is killing him.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
So it was organized like this?:
Frank - be mean and yell
Brad - Coach Hoops
Dalonte - Recruit
Scott - Beef 'em up
Until proven otherwise....yes. I still think we sometimes forget all the recruits Dalonte pulled in and then Frank chased off. Also everyone knows Brad is the reason we turned the season around a few years ago to continue the tournament streak. I don't think Frank has anyone on his staff right now that can adapt to the players on the roster. Good coaches find ways to win with what they have.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
Huggins always talked about Frank's good coaching as an asst and how he was great at doing the scout, so there's that
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
Huggins always talked about Frank's good coaching as an asst and how he was great at doing the scout, so there's that
It's called affirmation . . . affirming to to all the hayseeds and powertucks back at your old job that the guy ushered in quickly to hold a recruiting class together really is a good basketball coach.
I personally just got tired of Frank's shtick, his recruiting started to really blow, and all the Frankites who thought calling a timeout to just stare everybody down was cute and endearing, "oh man, Frank was so mad" (fap, fap, fap, fap, fap)
Maybe Frank will turn it around, but the USCe fans I know, who follow ALL their sports are already weary of the guy. Last night they were a complete defensive $hit show; constantly getting beat off the drive, leaving guys wide open, letting guys work behind them on the baseline with literally no one paying attention to them etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, hey good idea Frank, now's a great time to start modifying your system to the new rules . . . coaching genius there. I mean, hell, they just put in the new rule/points of emphasis, like, last Thursday or something.
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Years and years ago, Tex Winter said his one regret in his career was ever leaving KSU. Not sure why that occurred to me just now, but it did.
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does Frank sucking complete ass make you like John Currie more? like, maybe he knew that Frank wasn't worth a crap at coaching basketball and just saved us from our own stupid selves?
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he should sign up on goEMAW and just rub it in faces. call everyone idiots and flex up massive.
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Does Frank sucking complete ass make you like John Currie more? Like, maybe he knew that Frank wasn't worth a crap at coaching basketball and just saved us from our own stupid selves?
i like john currie because he likes raising money more than he likes having sex
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does Frank sucking complete ass make you like John Currie more? like, maybe he knew that Frank wasn't worth a crap at coaching basketball and just saved us from our own stupid selves?
Yes. He's smart, we're dumb.
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But seriously I wish Frank would do well. I enjoyed his time with us.
It was so much GD fun. So much. So fun.
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But seriously I wish Frank would do well. I enjoyed his time with us.
It was so much GD fun. So much. So fun.
I do miss the way Frank attracted media. oscar is very boring.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
Huggins always talked about Frank's good coaching as an asst and how he was great at doing the scout, so there's that
It's called affirmation . . . affirming to to all the hayseeds and powertucks back at your old job that the guy ushered in quickly to hold a recruiting class together really is a good basketball coach.
I personally just got tired of Frank's shtick, his recruiting started to really blow, and all the Frankites who thought calling a timeout to just stare everybody down was cute and endearing, "oh man, Frank was so mad" (fap, fap, fap, fap, fap)
Maybe Frank will turn it around, but the USCe fans I know, who follow ALL their sports are already weary of the guy. Last night they were a complete defensive $hit show; constantly getting beat off the drive, leaving guys wide open, letting guys work behind them on the baseline with literally no one paying attention to them etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, hey good idea Frank, now's a great time to start modifying your system to the new rules . . . coaching genius there. I mean, hell, they just put in the new rule/points of emphasis, like, last Thursday or something.
I should have been more clear in my statement so the Carolina hayseeds would get the cut of my jib, Huggins made the statements about Frank during his radio shows after games, and I realize he's pimping his guy, but those were his thoughts.
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Huggins hired him twice. Obviously he saw some value there.
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Huggins hired him twice. Obviously he saw some value there.
you'd trust that drunk?
j/k :flush:
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So, I was curious about who Frank hired after Brad left. Turned out he hired the son of a bitch that coached Tulane to a victory over Anthony Beane and the Cardiac Cats. What was the name of that dude on their team that didn't have a neck?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Clark
(THIS IS THE SONOFABITCH THAT KILLED US)
http://www.thedraftreview.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=1244
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martin-cut-off-nose-to-spite-face
quote author=michigancat link=topic=30916.msg1025205#msg1025205 date=1390492660]
I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
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The narrative that he just walked away from a couple of simple salvageable issues just isn't accurate. I mean the athletic director suspended a senior leader for a ncaa tournament game without needing to do so and we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be. Frank had to leave, he had chances for better jobs and didn't take them do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
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The narrative that he just walked away from a couple of simple salvageable issues just isn't accurate. I mean the athletic director suspended a senior leader for a ncaa tournament game without needing to do so and we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be. Frank had to leave, he had chances for better jobs and didn't take them do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
I think Frank could have put himself into a position where receipt-gate didn't happen. (So could Currie, obvs).
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do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
yes. I do. I mean, I think he would've taken any job that was willing to take him after the JC debacle. I think SoCar was as good as he could get.
And, i think after 5-6 years at SoCar, an assistant coach job is the best he'll be able to get.
IMHO.
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Frank's recruiting at USC has been pretty good so far. It's not a stretch at all to assume that they could sneak into the tournament in 2 years. Our expectations of Frank are tournament every year and win at least 1 game. USC's expectations of Frank are just to stick with them. USC basketball fans on twitter are BEGGING Frank to not lose heart. Our fans would have wanted to fire him after losing 2 games to decent teams.
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do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
yes. I do. I mean, I think he would've taken any job that was willing to take him after the JC debacle. I think SoCar was as good as he could get.
And, i think after 5-6 years at SoCar, an assistant coach job is the best he'll be able to get.
IMHO.
You said yes but then you said that he wanted any job that would take him after his boss pulled rank. So then no, you actually don't think Frank wanted to go to USC he just wanted/needed out of here. He would have taken that SMU, lol Nick Russell, if the USC job weren't open.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martin-cut-off-nose-to-spite-face
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I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
The narrative that he just walked away from a couple of simple salvageable issues just isn't accurate. I mean the athletic director suspended a senior leader for a ncaa tournament game without needing to do so and we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be. Frank had to leave, he had chances for better jobs and didn't take them do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
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can you retry this post, i can't figure out what you're trying to say, just all over the place. the last sentence really throws me for a loop (especially after the mumped up quote function).
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Who cares?
i guess you care. otherwise, why post in a thread about Frank Martin? :dunno:
I only care about the Kansas State Wildcats, pal.
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http://www.lostlettermen.com/article/frank-martin-cut-off-nose-to-spite-face
quote author=michigancat link=topic=30916.msg1025205#msg1025205 date=1390492660]
I feel bad for the guy. Honestly. He won the lottery at K-State and blew it. Yes, it was largely because of his ego and ridiculous pride, but I'm still sad for him.
The narrative that he just walked away from a couple of simple salvageable issues just isn't accurate. I mean the athletic director suspended a senior leader for a ncaa tournament game without needing to do so and we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be. Frank had to leave, he had chances for better jobs and didn't take them do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
can you retry this post, i can't figure out what you're trying to say, just all over the place. the last sentence really throws me for a loop (especially after the mumped up quote function).
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Hey dumbass, don't be such a dumbass dumbass. Two other dumbasses seemed to understand it just fine; well maybe not belvis because he agreed with me when he thought he didn't
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he should sign up on goEMAW and just rub it in faces. call everyone idiots and flex up massive.
Would you enjoy that, SD? :surprised:
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he should sign up on goEMAW and just rub it in faces. call everyone idiots and flex up massive.
Would you enjoy that, SD? :surprised:
Yes
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he should sign up on goEMAW and just rub it in faces. call everyone idiots and flex up massive.
Would you enjoy that, SD? :surprised:
Yes
I would too, but it would be sad times for the BID team.
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do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
yes. I do. I mean, I think he would've taken any job that was willing to take him after the JC debacle. I think SoCar was as good as he could get.
And, i think after 5-6 years at SoCar, an assistant coach job is the best he'll be able to get.
IMHO.
You said yes but then you said that he wanted any job that would take him after his boss pulled rank. So then no, you actually don't think Frank wanted to go to USC he just wanted/needed out of here. He would have taken that SMU, lol Nick Russell, if the USC job weren't open.
Let me slow it down for you.
He wanted the best job that would take him. This job was SoCar. Hence, he wanted the SoCar job.
He thought Frank Martin was a better product than it was. Pushed his chips all in and lost.
:dunno:
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do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
yes. I do. I mean, I think he would've taken any job that was willing to take him after the JC debacle. I think SoCar was as good as he could get.
And, i think after 5-6 years at SoCar, an assistant coach job is the best he'll be able to get.
IMHO.
You said yes but then you said that he wanted any job that would take him after his boss pulled rank. So then no, you actually don't think Frank wanted to go to USC he just wanted/needed out of here. He would have taken that SMU, lol Nick Russell, if the USC job weren't open.
Let me slow it down for you.
He wanted the best job that would take him. This job was SoCar. Hence, he wanted the SoCar job.
He thought Frank Martin was a better product than it was. Pushed his chips all in and lost.
:dunno:
Man what does that even mean? He got the only job he interviewed for like 3 days after the Jamar incident and after we were knocked out of the tournament. We were completely blindsided by the USC stuff. What are these other jobs he missed out on until he was rescued by South Carolina?
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do people really think he wanted to go to South Carolina?
yes. I do. I mean, I think he would've taken any job that was willing to take him after the JC debacle. I think SoCar was as good as he could get.
And, i think after 5-6 years at SoCar, an assistant coach job is the best he'll be able to get.
IMHO.
You said yes but then you said that he wanted any job that would take him after his boss pulled rank. So then no, you actually don't think Frank wanted to go to USC he just wanted/needed out of here. He would have taken that SMU, lol Nick Russell, if the USC job weren't open.
Let me slow it down for you.
He wanted the best job that would take him. This job was SoCar. Hence, he wanted the SoCar job.
He thought Frank Martin was a better product than it was. Pushed his chips all in and lost.
:dunno:
Man what does that even mean? He got the only job he interviewed for like 3 days after the Jamar incident and after we were knocked out of the tournament. We were completely blindsided by the USC stuff. What are these other jobs he missed out on until he was rescued by South Carolina?
The only one I can even think of is Miami, but that was never really a valid option.
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Man what does that even mean? He got the only job he interviewed for like 3 days after the Jamar incident and after we were knocked out of the tournament. We were completely blindsided by the USC stuff. What are these other jobs he missed out on until he was rescued by South Carolina?
It's a gambling reference. Poker, to be exact.
IMO, he ran into an issue with JC that could have been salvaged, if he wanted it to be. But, I believe he valued himself too much, believing that FM would be successful at any program, including SoCar, because of what he accomplished at KSU. KSU was lucky to have him, not the other way around. And so he called Currie's bluff. He gambled. He left for a shitty program in a shitty conference. And, early returns would indicate that his hand wasn't as strong as he thought. His program sucks. It'll be 4-5 years before that program is sniffing NCAAs, if he's even still the coach.
Did you see the SoCar news about FM trashing his player in front of like 2k fans down there and boosters didn't like it? AD pulled a JC and made him issue a public apology. it's a train wreck down there.
And regarding, his jobs, you're the one who posted that he turned down several good jobs while at KSU. I've no idea if that's true. Probably makes two of us.
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Man what does that even mean? He got the only job he interviewed for like 3 days after the Jamar incident and after we were knocked out of the tournament. We were completely blindsided by the USC stuff. What are these other jobs he missed out on until he was rescued by South Carolina?
It's a gambling reference. Poker, to be exact.
IMO, he ran into an issue with JC that could have been salvaged, if he wanted it to be. But, I believe he valued himself too much, believing that FM would be successful at any program, including SoCar, because of what he accomplished at KSU. KSU was lucky to have him, not the other way around. And so he called Currie's bluff. He gambled. He left for a shitty program in a shitty conference. And, early returns would indicate that his hand wasn't as strong as he thought. His program sucks. It'll be 4-5 years before that program is sniffing NCAAs, if he's even still the coach.
Did you see the SoCar news about FM trashing his player in front of like 2k fans down there and boosters didn't like it? AD pulled a JC and made him issue a public apology. it's a train wreck down there.
And regarding, his jobs, you're the one who posted that he turned down several good jobs while at KSU. I've no idea if that's true. Probably makes two of us.
I was speaking specifically about what happened at the end of the 11-12 season and his going to USC, the only job even open at the time, because his boss ran him out of town; but you knew that. And how in the hell could he salvage the relationship with Currie? He unilaterally suspended a senior for a round of 32 game for no reason at all to show the coach who had the bigger stick. The end game for any coach after that is pretty apparent. BTW Currie is not forgiven ever for what he did to Jamar, what an amazingly shifty thing to do.
Frank was tied to the DePaul and Oregon jobs in previous seasons, but you knew that too. Weren't you one of the tucks people who complained when he was linked to these openings?
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I heard frank link himself to Miami every time he needed a raise. Never heard the DePaul and Oregon chatter. Is DePaul still a bball program? Serious question.
And just so I'm clear, frank was pushed out. He wanted to stay, but JC ran him out of town? That's your story? Guess well just have to agree to disagree.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
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i'd still bet martin will win more games than kstate does, over the course of years that martin is an ncaa head bball coach.
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i'd still bet martin will win more games than kstate does, over the course of years that martin is an ncaa head bball coach.
He is going to have to start winning soon to continue being one.
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So, Frank had to get out immediately due to his own disposition that doesn't allow him to simply placate Currie while he gets his ducks in a row, but that's not Frank's Fault?
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Frank was a crybaby loser who left on his accord.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
Frank was a crybaby loser who left on his accord.
this is a pretty good summation of exactly who and what frank martin was at K-State and continues to be at SC. of course, it's never his fault though, for being a cry baby. it's his players fault, his AD's fault, his fans fault. not frank's.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.
belvis wasn't wrong about depaul and oregon
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Frank was g8 at Kst8. Was glad 2 have him in conference!!
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BW would have been more successful if he took over after Huggins left than FM was in that time. That's really all I need to know about this whole situation. Frank coached, possibly the only way he knew how, by forcing the team to meet adversity and sink or swim. Players earned his respect by being like him and overcoming harsh situations. You can't sustain success on a D1 level like that. Sometimes the math teacher from humble beginnings doesn't get a fairy tale ending, sometimes he gets 15 minutes of fame and goes back to teaching math. FM did a job at KSU, he was paid well to do so. His boss felt that he wasn't performing up to the level desired and got rid of him (by shady tactics). The end.
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Well, BW sure as crap wouldn't have kept the recruiting class together.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.
was he right about JC being a mean jerk to poor ol' Frank, pulling rank, and "running him out of town?" is it accurate that ahh-shucks Frank desperately wanted to stay at KSU, but that JC had created a hostile work in which faultless Frank simply couldn't focus on coaching basketball? Essentially, constructively discharged him?
The truth is none of us have any rough ridin' idea how this came to be. It's all conjuecture and speculation. MIR said it best - "we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be." Us fans, on the periphery, can only look at past circumstances and available facts and make our best guess as to what really happened. Unless this is just a Venzy scenario where the truth is too powerful for the average EMAWer and posting it publicly would melt down the internet.
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I was speaking specifically about what happened at the end of the 11-12 season and his going to USC, the only job even open at the time, because his boss ran him out of town; but you knew that. And how in the hell could he salvage the relationship with Currie? He unilaterally suspended a senior for a round of 32 game for no reason at all to show the coach who had the bigger stick. The end game for any coach after that is pretty apparent. BTW Currie is not forgiven ever for what he did to Jamar, what an amazingly shifty thing to do.
Frank was tied to the DePaul and Oregon jobs in previous seasons, but you knew that too. Weren't you one of the tucks people who complained when he was linked to these openings?
:facepalm:
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I think it would be awesome if John Currie would adjust my tie. It would show how much he cares about me. :blush:
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Dang... I can't decide if I'm team Clams or team SD on this.
:bwpopcorn:
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Oh gmafb
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I was speaking specifically about what happened at the end of the 11-12 season and his going to USC, the only job even open at the time, because his boss ran him out of town; but you knew that. And how in the hell could he salvage the relationship with Currie? He unilaterally suspended a senior for a round of 32 game for no reason at all to show the coach who had the bigger stick. The end game for any coach after that is pretty apparent. BTW Currie is not forgiven ever for what he did to Jamar, what an amazingly shifty thing to do.
Frank was tied to the DePaul and Oregon jobs in previous seasons, but you knew that too. Weren't you one of the tucks people who complained when he was linked to these openings?
:facepalm:
Did my post say shifty or shitty? If it said shifty it was auto-corrected. Currie didn't have to suspend Samuels for that game without a complete investigation & I hope you aren't arguing otherwise. There have been several cases of players playing in games with eligibility questions at other schools before and after that happened. Currie had a choice and he chose to suspend the player without consulting the coach and without completing the investigation. Certainly your ever enlightening :facepalm: isn't being used to indicate otherwise.
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Well, BW sure as crap wouldn't have kept the recruiting class together.
Hahahaha, true. Pullen sure as crap wouldn't have stayed. :) I just think if you hand BW and FM the players from that team, BW does more. If you hand them both a team full of Pullens, FM does more. If BW takes over for Huggins and that recruiting class falls apart, do I think we are in the position we are now? No. I'm glad Frank was here, I'm glad we are in the position we are now.
If Frank wanted to stay he could have stayed. Frank didn't want to bow (again?) to JC's demands and so he left. Is the unreasonable? no. Frank could have stayed, but it isn't in Frank's make up to do what needed to be done to stay. Now Frank is in a shitty situation in SC. The flaw with Frank is not being able cater his manner in a way for a year or two more until he could get a better job than SC. Instead he took the first ship out and will probably lead to not having another D-1 job outside of SC.
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Frank was g8 at Kst8. Was glad 2 have him in conference!!
:lol:
:thumbsup:
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
not for long, looks like
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Did my post say shifty or shitty? If it said shifty it was auto-corrected. Currie didn't have to suspend Samuels for that game without a complete investigation & I hope you aren't arguing otherwise. There have been several cases of players playing in games with eligibility questions at other schools before and after that happened. Currie had a choice and he chose to suspend the player without consulting the coach and without completing the investigation. Certainly your ever enlightening :facepalm: isn't being used to indicate otherwise.
It wasn't JC that recommended suspension, that would be the compliance director's job. JC did not unilaterally decide anything, and the player in question certainly did something that warranted the suspension. Players on K-State basketball teams and other schools' teams have been suspended in the past for the same type of infraction. It gets more attention because it turned out to be a senior's last game. It sucks, but ultimately it is the player's fault for committing an infraction (an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
Should JC have gotten Frank's input before the suspension was final? Maybe? It wouldn't have changed the outcome. Frank is the type of person that would take offense to just about anything, so I'm sure that pissed him off. And if you talk to people close to Frank, I'm sure his version is filled with persecution -- that's his thing, you're seeing it now at SC.
I would agree that JC didn't make a huge effort to keep Frank at K-State, and it was clear Frank wasn't making a huge effort to stay at K-State.
The :facepalm: was because this has been discussed over and over and people still believe what they want to believe -- I thought it was clear what I know happened, I didn't realize you wanted me to go through it again. Apologies.
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!
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(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.
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(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.
The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.
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(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.
The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.
because he had already done it once or because we were just wary of it because curtis is obviously sketchy as eff?
edit: or because the player had already asked if it was ok?
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I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession? The usual redasses are posting page long rants again. Did he say something about ksu?
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I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession? The usual redasses are posting page long rants again. Did he say something about ksu?
He really sucks at his new job. He blew up after a loss. Now when he blows up as a loser, it's concerning to the media and school.
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Did my post say shifty or shitty? If it said shifty it was auto-corrected. Currie didn't have to suspend Samuels for that game without a complete investigation & I hope you aren't arguing otherwise. There have been several cases of players playing in games with eligibility questions at other schools before and after that happened. Currie had a choice and he chose to suspend the player without consulting the coach and without completing the investigation. Certainly your ever enlightening :facepalm: isn't being used to indicate otherwise.
It wasn't JC that recommended suspension, that would be the compliance director's job. JC did not unilaterally decide anything, and the player in question certainly did something that warranted the suspension. Players on K-State basketball teams and other schools' teams have been suspended in the past for the same type of infraction. It gets more attention because it turned out to be a senior's last game. It sucks, but ultimately it is the player's fault for committing an infraction (an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
Should JC have gotten Frank's input before the suspension was final? Maybe? It wouldn't have changed the outcome. Frank is the type of person that would take offense to just about anything, so I'm sure that pissed him off. And if you talk to people close to Frank, I'm sure his version is filled with persecution -- that's his thing, you're seeing it now at SC.
I would agree that JC didn't make a huge effort to keep Frank at K-State, and it was clear Frank wasn't making a huge effort to stay at K-State.
The :facepalm: was because this has been discussed over and over and people still believe what they want to believe -- I thought it was clear what I know happened, I didn't realize you wanted me to go through it again. Apologies.
:thumbsup: great, we agree more than we disagree I don't by any means feel that Frank was a saint and without blame, no one does, but it seemed like that relationship was fractured to the point where it wasn't getting repaired. People quit their jobs all the time because of friction with their boss, I'd assume that and money are the two biggest reasons why people quit jobs, Frank is a human not a robot. The only people who go to work everyday and hate their boss are people who don't have job options and are not exceptionally skilled.
The only thing I take exception to is your view on the role of compliance, Jamie made a recommendation, Jamar was suspended by Currie.
(an infraction he was specifically warned about committing, btw).
because he had done it before or because they were worried about it happening? if because he had done it before but you don't want to say anything about it on here because we would get in troubs give me the secret emoticon.
The "prior relationship" clause would not excuse certain interactions with regards to a certain individual, and the player was informed of that previously.
Hmmmm. I think this is new info and changes things a bit with Jamar. I wonder the lengths that we went to prove that Curtis and James's relationship didn't fit the "prior relationship" standard; if compliance asked the NCAA or if that was the compliance department's interpretation of their relationship.
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!
And MIR. Don't forget about MIR.
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I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession? The usual redasses are posting page long rants again. Did he say something about ksu?
The guys who miss Frank but don't know how to deal with it lashing out. I bet these guys don't get along with any of their several exes because they think she's a slut who cheated on them when they dated because she started seeing someone else.
I'm absolutely a frankite, unapologetically. I find it hilarious that these type of conversations are started by the same people saying the same things two years later.
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I have not been paying attention much lately, but what has caused this latest rash of Frank obsession? The usual redasses are posting page long rants again. Did he say something about ksu?
The guys who miss Frank but don't know how to deal with it lashing out. I bet these guys don't get along with any of their several exes because they think she's a slut who cheated on them when they dated because she started seeing someone else.
I'm absolutely a frankite, unapologetically. I find it hilarious that these type of conversations are started by the same people saying the same things two years later.
Spot on reference. :thumbsup:
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!
I know you're trying to compliment cc but you just made him sound really thin skinned. I'm guessing that if he didn't want to talk about this he wouldn't have posted about it.
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I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants
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I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants
What did everyone think of Jimmy Elgas?
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I think it's acceptable to post about all of our ex coaches whenever anyone wants
What did everyone think of Jimmy Elgas?
Greasy.
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If you honestly believe JC ran Frank out of town, it's pretty obvious who your "source" is, and it is :lol:.
Captain is back! :D
not for long, looks like
I wish he'd ignore dumbasses. He's great for this site and obviously is way more ITK than any fan who "thinks" they know what they're talking about. That includes me!
I know you're trying to compliment cc but you just made him sound really thin skinned. I'm guessing that if he didn't want to talk about this he wouldn't have posted about it.
Fair point. I just think he takes a lot of crap on here, when he's trying to give us ITK stuff. I'm grateful for it, but some ppl try to argue with him when they don't know what they're talking about and they come off as a bunch of dumbasses. I'm not saying this is you tho.
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i'd still bet martin will win more games than kstate does, over the course of years that martin is an ncaa head bball coach.
Really? Wow. You know he's already in a 20-game hole (41 wins v. 21 wins)?
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.
was he right about JC being a mean jerk to poor ol' Frank, pulling rank, and "running him out of town?" is it accurate that ahh-shucks Frank desperately wanted to stay at KSU, but that JC had created a hostile work in which faultless Frank simply couldn't focus on coaching basketball? Essentially, constructively discharged him?
The truth is none of us have any rough ridin' idea how this came to be. It's all conjuecture and speculation. MIR said it best - "we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be." Us fans, on the periphery, can only look at past circumstances and available facts and make our best guess as to what really happened. Unless this is just a Venzy scenario where the truth is too powerful for the average EMAWer and posting it publicly would melt down the internet.
I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season. I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon. I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.
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I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season. I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon. I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.
So, basically, even if Jamargate hadn't happened, no suspension, and Cats make it to Sweet Sixteen, you're saying Frank was still gonna be fired?
I don't know. Seems highly unlikely to me.
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Belvis, MIR is right.
LOL, he's no closer to being right than Belvis is.
For starters, MIR's right about DePaul and Oregon.
was he right about JC being a mean jerk to poor ol' Frank, pulling rank, and "running him out of town?" is it accurate that ahh-shucks Frank desperately wanted to stay at KSU, but that JC had created a hostile work in which faultless Frank simply couldn't focus on coaching basketball? Essentially, constructively discharged him?
The truth is none of us have any rough ridin' idea how this came to be. It's all conjuecture and speculation. MIR said it best - "we still, nearly 2 years later, don't know the exact circumstance as to how the issue came to be." Us fans, on the periphery, can only look at past circumstances and available facts and make our best guess as to what really happened. Unless this is just a Venzy scenario where the truth is too powerful for the average EMAWer and posting it publicly would melt down the internet.
I think Frank was on notice in Frankuary of his last year that he wouldn't be welcomed back for the following season. I only thing that, I don't know that like I know he could've had DePaul or Oregon. I don't think the Jamar thing changed anything.
Someday when we are older the whole Frank and John story is going to come out and all we can do is laugh. Btw, I have heard from a good source that frank tried to get in a "physical confrontation" with John. Just so much good stuff. :lol: :lol:
I can't blame either party because I am a reasonable person that knows that not everybody can get along. But I do feel bad for Frank because he got out trumped.
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Someday when we are older the whole Frank and John story is going to come out and all we can do is laugh. Btw, I have heard from a good source that frank tried to get in a "physical confrontation" with John. Just so much good stuff. :lol: :lol:
I can't blame either party because I am a reasonable person that knows that not everybody can get along. But I do feel bad for Frank because he got out trumped.
I would totally pay for long-ass stories on both the Prince/Patterson/Snyder and Currie/Frank/Webber debacles. Sucks JMart's gone. He'd have KORA'd the crap out of this.
I assume circuses like those happen everywhere and we just feel like it's a KSU thing because we're close to it.
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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.
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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.
Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.
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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.
Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.
looks like we've got our next real world season casted already
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If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.
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I wouldn't be shocked at all if Frank tried to fight Currie. Frank obviously has a bit of a temper and Currie seems like a dweeby button pusher, the guy that always has something sly to say. Those two guys couldn't be more different, its too bad it didn't work out.
Picture an OKC hotel elevator bank and I'm Frank and you're Anya.
And Currie's that guy at the front of the 40 people. I don't think there was anyone in the EMAW scenario playing the role of where's waldo sweater choked out guy.
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Frank's only realistic winning opportunities look like Auburn, Alabama, and Vanderbilt. He has a really good chance of losing all three of those games. He could go win-less in conference this season and finish with a total of 7 wins, the least amount of wins in 20+ years for USC with the closest being 8 wins in '98-'99 season. Good coaches find ways to win more than 7 games in a season (especially when they play 32 games not including SEC tournament....and the SEC is a crap conference). The amount of impact Undy has had on Frank's success is really amazing. I remember sitting in on a practice a couple years ago and Brad ran the entire thing. Frank just walked around not saying anything.
I'll admit that I loved Frank and was sad to see him go. I had no idea how much he relied on his assistants in order to be successful.
Huggins always talked about Frank's good coaching as an asst and how he was great at doing the scout, so there's that
It's called affirmation . . . affirming to to all the hayseeds and powertucks back at your old job that the guy ushered in quickly to hold a recruiting class together really is a good basketball coach.
I personally just got tired of Frank's shtick, his recruiting started to really blow, and all the Frankites who thought calling a timeout to just stare everybody down was cute and endearing, "oh man, Frank was so mad" (fap, fap, fap, fap, fap)
Maybe Frank will turn it around, but the USCe fans I know, who follow ALL their sports are already weary of the guy. Last night they were a complete defensive $hit show; constantly getting beat off the drive, leaving guys wide open, letting guys work behind them on the baseline with literally no one paying attention to them etc. etc. etc. Oh yeah, hey good idea Frank, now's a great time to start modifying your system to the new rules . . . coaching genius there. I mean, hell, they just put in the new rule/points of emphasis, like, last Thursday or something.
I should have been more clear in my statement so the Carolina hayseeds would get the cut of my jib, Huggins made the statements about Frank during his radio shows after games, and I realize he's pimping his guy, but those were his thoughts.
LOL, okay
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
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If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.
This is the most asinine Frank-oscar talking point out there right now. Nobody has a rough ridin' clue whether Frank would have won the Big XII last year.
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If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.
This is the most asinine Frank-oscar talking point out there right now. Nobody has a rough ridin' clue whether Frank would have won the Big XII last year.
Frank lost a lot of games he shouldn't have. He let some go for teaching lessons. It was the most frustrating thing about him. He also won some that made you scratch your head, "how"? Last years team was pretty damn consistent for once.
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
Dudes best players are Freshman. I don't think so. :nono:
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oscar's recruiting has been better than my expectations, purely based on the Foster/Thomas DITRY DUO <-- holy crap right
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
Sort of.
The impact of oscar's recruits has been far more significant than expected.
Frank is struggling far more than I expected in a bad league. Especially his defense.
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
Dudes best players are Freshman. I don't think so. :nono:
That's debatable. Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster. oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
While current results may be what many expected(league title certainly above what I thought) where each is trending is opposite of what many thought.
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If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.
This is the most asinine Frank-oscar talking point out there right now. Nobody has a rough ridin' clue whether Frank would have won the Big XII last year.
Frank lost a lot of games he shouldn't have. He let some go for teaching lessons. It was the most frustrating thing about him. He also won some that made you scratch your head, "how"? Last years team was pretty damn consistent for once.
Isn't the current oscar issue being talked about his benching of our best player in a game we lost on a buzzer beater?
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What's funny about this ongoing debate is that outside of the personalities of the two men there are a lot of program similarities to OSU under Frank and under Weber.
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
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False!
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What's funny about this ongoing debate is that outside of the personalities of the two men there are a lot of program similarities to OSU KSU under Frank and under Weber.
You meant KSU, yes? This is you giving a compliment to oscar, yes?
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did you guys see where i called Foster and Thomas the DITRY DUO? wow
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maybe you guys just read it as if i said DIRTY DUO. but i didn't, i said DITRY DUO. wow x 2
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What's funny about this ongoing debate is that outside of the personalities of the two men there are a lot of program similarities to OSU KSU under Frank and under Weber.
You meant KSU, yes? This is you giving a compliment to oscar, yes?
Auto corrected again, this new android update is killing me.
I've given oscar lots of compliments. I haven't spent one second as a #BIDer. Being a Frankite and wanting oscar to succeed aren't mutually exclusive. It seems people that are happy with oscar have a hard time with how happy they were with Frank.
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Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.
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Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.
there were times when we were great
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The consensus after Frank took the SC job was that Frank would struggle to rebuild at SC, while oscar would come in and succeed right away with Frank's players. Everyone predicted that oscar would have some success at K-State in his first couple of years, just like he did when he took over for Self at Illinois. The only question was whether or not oscar could recruit well enough to sustain that success. A year and a half into it, and I'd say things are going just about how we expected.
Cutting edge breakdown here
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A sample size of 1.5 seasons is too small for me to definitively say whether or not oscar is legit and Frank sucks. Sorry.
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A sample size of 1.5 seasons is too small for me to definitively say whether or not oscar is legit and Frank sucks. Sorry.
ok
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maybe you guys just read it as if i said DIRTY DUO. but i didn't, i said DITRY DUO. wow x 2
:lol:
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If Frank was here last year, we probably don't win a conference title. I think it worked out just ok.
This is the most asinine Frank-oscar talking point out there right now. Nobody has a rough ridin' clue whether Frank would have won the Big XII last year.
Frank lost a lot of games he shouldn't have. He let some go for teaching lessons. It was the most frustrating thing about him. He also won some that made you scratch your head, "how"? Last years team was pretty damn consistent for once.
Isn't the current oscar issue being talked about his benching of our best player in a game we lost on a buzzer beater?
I know you guys will think i'm crazy, but I never had a problem with it. Foster had an off game. His shot wasn't just off, it was way off. I think that hand injury bothers him from time to time. Other guys were hitting a few shots (I think spads had a couple of 3's). I guess in that game, I felt like we needed our hottest hand on the court. Which wasn't a lot of ppl outside of Gip.
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Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality. Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State. The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.
It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.
Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly. Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year.
But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.
Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
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84-75 and 101-96 and preseason #3 tho dax!!!
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Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality. Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State. The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.
It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.
Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly. Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year.
But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.
Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team. I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."
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Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo. As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.
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Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality. Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State. The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.
It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.
Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly. Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year.
But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.
Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team. I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."
Some of the keys to last years season couldn't so much as breath incorrectly without Frank yanking them out of the game. No one will ever convince me that Shane and Tay Irving weren't breathing a lot easier, in addition, once Rodney got a feel for oscar's offense his game excelled with the open looks it generated.
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Beems, I like you, but my take is that KU fans want oscar to turn into dog crap so badly, cause he had a funeral for Self and is a giant dork. I mean there were like 30 threads making fun of oscar on the phog during the hire and now I think they're a little concerned, so they continue to say "just wait, he'll muck it up", basically the "Synder will die soon" crowd. Yeah, you guys will blast us every year, but this team is built for a 4 year run. We basically have 3 starting FR that will have to stay. He can build around them now.
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Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo. As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.
Frank's not Italian (sorry for calling you a dumbass)
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What player/players on this teams roster would be here if Frank was still coaching at K-State?
Gip?
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Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo. As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.
Frank's not Italian (sorry for calling you a dumbass)
He's EYE-talian.
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Beems, I like you, but my take is that KU fans want oscar to turn into dog crap so badly, cause he had a funeral for Self and is a giant dork. I mean there were like 30 threads making fun of oscar on the phog during the hire and now I think they're a little concerned, so they continue to say "just wait, he'll muck it up", basically the "Synder will die soon" crowd. Yeah, you guys will blast us every year, but this team is built for a 4 year run. We basically have 3 starting FR that will have to stay. He can build around them now.
KU can't handle K-State having a better basketball mind at the helm then Self. Some people just can't be thankful for what they have.
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Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
Not sure why the gender bashing, but the proper term is primo uomo. As an Italian, Frank would take offense to your comment.
Good post.
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What player/players on this teams roster would be here if Frank was still coaching at K-State?
Gip?
That narrows the pool quite a bit.
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Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.
I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan.
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That's debatable. Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster. oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?
6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino?
Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred. that's gotta be worth something.
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That's debatable. Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster. oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?
6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino?
Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred. that's gotta be worth something.
Jevon is the best recruit we have landed since Beasley. Angel is the 2nd best recruit since Beasley, IMO.
Would take Jevon & Foster over Angel & Thornwell because of longterm value.
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Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality. Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State. The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.
It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.
Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly. Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year.
But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.
Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
You guys won a share of the Big 12 last year with Frank's team. I wouldn't say momentum was necessarily "dwindling rapidly."
Yeah that comment was really stupid, there was no dwindling momentum. We won a ncaa tournament game, had most of the team returning, a training facility being built, one of the most heralded recruits joining the team, great ticket sales, etc., etc., etc. That sentence encapsulates dax's misplaced Frankrage.
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2014/01/21/frank-martin-south-carolina-apologizes-tirade-brenton-williams/4723279/
"South Carolina coach Frank Martin has apologized for a tirade directed at guard Brenton Williams in the first half in the Gamecocks' loss to Mississippi on Saturday. Martin says he went too far after getting caught up in the moment. Martin also apologized to fans around South Carolina's bench [i.e. powerful boosters] who heard the exchange."
I presume no apology would have been issued, but for the boosters hearing FM trash his player. I also presume that the upset boosters took their grievance to the AD who, in turn, took action.
No, I don't have any facts to support this obvious theory.
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Yeah that comment was really stupid, there was no dwindling momentum. We won a ncaa tournament game, had most of the team returning, a training facility being built, one of the most heralded recruits joining the team, great ticket sales, etc., etc., etc. That sentence encapsulates dax's misplaced Frankrage.
but, we didn't have most of the team returning. remember? This is another one of the reasons ADJC fired Frank, remember? Because Will, Southwell, and JO all complained to the AD behind FM's back and they were going to transfer if Frank came back, or so the story goes.
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Dax I'm ok with where we are now. I've accepted #bruceketball and let go of Frank. But I don't get you're constant tearing down of the success we had during his time here. It was really fun, and we were pretty good. Not great, but consistently good and entertaining. Yeah, he was probably digging his own recruiting grave and it wouldn't sustain and everything, but you seem to really be set on tearing down those years, and anyone who supported this guy as a coach.
I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan.
I enjoyed Frank's tenure immensely as a fan also.
He was also an incredibly foolish dumbass for abandoning a great situation at K-State with tremendous support at virtually all levels (even considering the tepid working relationship with his AD). Dude left a job coming off of 4 out of 5 NCAA appearances for obscurity at a dead end program at South Carolina and was naive enough and arrogant enough to think this would be a good career move.
I honestly do feel really sad for him.
In year two, his team is literally the worst program in the SEC, by far the worst major conference in all of college basketball. The SEC is a two bid league and they are going to finish in dead last this season. That's unbelievable.
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
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Not tearing down the actual success, just pointing out the reality. Frank walked into a pretty fantastic situation as head coach at K-State. The fanbase (that was waiting for a good program to cheer for again) was re-energized by the previous coach, two of the most hotly sought after (if not the most sought after) recruits in the nation were sitting in the dressing room, nearly all if not all of the coaching staff was retained, and one of the highest paid recruiters in the country was out on the trail.
It would have been one of the biggest failures in college athletic history to not do something with that.
Be honest, by the end, momentum off all that was dwindling rapidly. Frank got to plunge the shovel into the ground of a state of the art basketball training facility, and the AD put him on the road towards a total compensation package worth nearly $2 million dollars a year, at a basketball program that at its financial zenith produces about $8.5 million a year.
But Frank's gotta be Frank, and Currie's gotta be Currie, and showing that you can't change your skin, Frank has already had to apologize for being Frank at his new job.
Sorry too cool for schoolers, but you gotta bank more money for the AD and put more trophies of significance in the trophy case before you can become a total prima donna.
Like I said, you love to tear down anyone who supported Frank. You're a good poster with good points about this topic and others, but there's like always a dig in there somewhere directed towards anyone who disagrees with you. It kinda gets old Dax honestly.
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I figure he gets a solid 4 years at least and he will start to show improvement. I am rooting for him there. Don't think he will reach the level of success he had at K-State, but I think he will reach a level where he does good enough to stay there but not good enough for anyone to poach him.
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
Would take.
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
:surprised:
This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.
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On the bright side, south carolina would be a pretty sweet place to live if you were rich and unemployed.
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That's debatable. Four of K-State's top six players are Frank recruits, and I'd argue that Southwell and Gipson are every bit as valuable to K-State as Marcus Foster. oscar's first recruiting class is extremely solid, but is it better than potentially retaining Angel Rodriguez and signing Sindarius Thornwell?
6 best players:
1) Foster
2) Gip
3) Southwell
4) Westicles
5) Thomas
6) Sprad/Nino?
Also, Frank's best player - Angel - transferred. that's gotta be worth something.
Jevon is the best recruit we have landed since Beasley. Angel is the 2nd best recruit since Beasley, IMO.
Would take Jevon & Foster over Angel & Thornwell because of longterm value.
Jevon Thomas - 24.8 mpg, 3.9 ppg, 3.0 rpg, 3.8 apg, 0.8 spg, 0.9 to, 26.7 fg%, 27.8 ft%, 22.2 3pt%
Best since Beasley, eh?
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Frank won a lot of games here, and continued to bring in high quality players. Any kind of revisionist nonsense that tries to debate that is rough ridin' dumb. There was nothing that happened while he was here that would indicate that the success wouldn't continue. People try to play up the mutiny rumors, but the reality is that there would have been attrition similar to what we experienced every year, because Frank isn't for everybody. He would have replaced those players with good recruits and we would have kept winning lots of games, like he did his entire time at K-State.
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i'd still bet martin will win more games than kstate does, over the course of years that martin is an ncaa head bball coach.
Really? Wow. You know he's already in a 20-game hole (41 wins v. 21 wins)?
he's what, early 50s? assume he coaches to 65, maybe 70. not going to strongly react to the first .1 to .13 of results.
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he's what, early 50s? assume he coaches to 65, maybe 70. not going to strongly react to the first .1 to .13 of results.
what if he coaches to 80!! And what if he becomes the next coach at Kentucky!! He could, in all seriousness, be heralded as one of the best coaches to ever grace the hardwood.
It's possible, right?
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Frank's 47
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Frank's 47
so, the first two years are even less of a % of the probable total.
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Frank's 47
He's got health issues tho.
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On the bright side, south carolina would be a pretty sweet place to live if you were rich and unemployed.
Which Frank is soon to be. He set himself up for success/failure. Which ever way you look at it.
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The Frankites continue to delude themselves in believing that the trajectory of the basketball program was stable and that NCAA tourney wins were inevitable.
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
:surprised:
This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.
We'd need Currie gone, Frank fired, Unds thriving, oscar failing, what else?
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I agree that his choice of job to leave for was extremely dumb. So bad that it could end his head coaching career, at least in a BCS level league.
We could have HC Underwood with AC Frank!
:surprised:
This this the most interesting thing anyone has posted in one of these threads in two years.
We'd need Currie gone, Frank fired, Unds thriving, oscar failing, what else?
Huggs retired.
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The Frankites continue to delude themselves in believing that the trajectory of the basketball program was stable and that NCAA tourney wins were inevitable.
Every time I was worried about the state of the program, Frank would pull it together. Under him, for the most part, an NCAA tournament win was inevitable. If you want to completely ignore his past results and speculate that would end, fine, but that would be completely ignoring his past results.
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The Frankites continue to delude themselves in believing that the trajectory of the basketball program was stable and that NCAA tourney wins were inevitable.
Every time I was worried about the state of the program, Frank would pull it together. Under him, for the most part, an NCAA tournament win was inevitable. If you want to completely ignore his past results and speculate that would end, fine, but that would be completely ignoring his past results.
Also his recruiting was clearly improving as he left, despite the efforts of certain people to make it seem otherwise.
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The Frankites continue to delude themselves in believing that the trajectory of the basketball program was stable and that NCAA tourney wins were inevitable.
Every time I was worried about the state of the program, Frank would pull it together. Under him, for the most part, an NCAA tournament win was inevitable. If you want to completely ignore his past results and speculate that would end, fine, but that would be completely ignoring his past results.
Also his recruiting was clearly improving as he left, despite the efforts of certain people to make it seem otherwise.
who's fault was orris?
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The Frankites continue to delude themselves
Dax when you phrase things like this, its obvious your aim is more to insult and get a rise out of certain posters rather than discuss and sway opinion.
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Oh yes Dax, of course, the program was clearly heading in a downward spiral with the team he built winning the big 12 the next year.
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Yes, clearly his recruiting was improving, I mean the kid couldn't hack it at Fresno State, but he would have an assured stud at K-State. Odds are he would have been Franked.
Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
Sinking ship fellas, sorry.
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He wouldn't have won the big 12 with that team because they were all transfering, or did everyone forget that?
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Oh yes Dax, of course, the program was clearly heading in a downward spiral with the team he built winning the big 12 the next year.
Frank wouldn't have won Big 12 title, he'd have the usual mid-season Frank's mad drama show, where everybody goes out and is afraid to do anything losing streak.
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Hey guys, remember how you get the real recruiting boost in the 2nd class after a really good season.
Asprilla, Myles, Southwell, Spradling, Williams. :lol:
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
False
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2014/01/21/frank-martin-south-carolina-apologizes-tirade-brenton-williams/4723279/
"South Carolina coach Frank Martin has apologized for a tirade directed at guard Brenton Williams in the first half in the Gamecocks' loss to Mississippi on Saturday. Martin says he went too far after getting caught up in the moment. Martin also apologized to fans around South Carolina's bench [i.e. powerful boosters] who heard the exchange."
I presume no apology would have been issued, but for the boosters hearing FM trash his player. I also presume that the upset boosters took their grievance to the AD who, in turn, took action.
No, I don't have any facts to support this obvious theory.
Well I have facts. No where in that article did it state that he was forced to apologize, Frank said on 810 that no one asked him to apologize, he did it on his own. Next.
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
False
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2014/01/21/frank-martin-south-carolina-apologizes-tirade-brenton-williams/4723279/
"South Carolina coach Frank Martin has apologized for a tirade directed at guard Brenton Williams in the first half in the Gamecocks' loss to Mississippi on Saturday. Martin says he went too far after getting caught up in the moment. Martin also apologized to fans around South Carolina's bench [i.e. powerful boosters] who heard the exchange."
I presume no apology would have been issued, but for the boosters hearing FM trash his player. I also presume that the upset boosters took their grievance to the AD who, in turn, took action.
No, I don't have any facts to support this obvious theory.
Well I have facts. No where in that article did it state that he was forced to apologize, Frank said on 810 that no one asked him to apologize, he did it on his own.
The same guy who said he never demeans players.
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
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Yeah that comment was really stupid, there was no dwindling momentum. We won a ncaa tournament game, had most of the team returning, a training facility being built, one of the most heralded recruits joining the team, great ticket sales, etc., etc., etc. That sentence encapsulates dax's misplaced Frankrage.
but, we didn't have most of the team returning. remember? This is another one of the reasons ADJC fired Frank, remember? Because Will, Southwell, and JO all complained to the AD behind FM's back and they were going to transfer if Frank came back, or so the story goes.
JO was not on that list. You forget about JO doing his NBA workouts at USC and not K-State?
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
Keep going. 2 more posts and you might have Angel as a smaller Chris Griffin and Gip being Manny Dies without the intensity.
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
Keep going. 2 more posts and you might have Angel as a smaller Chris Griffin and Gip being Manny Dies without the intensity.
Trim you're in a semantics debate now because you just remembered that's the recruiting class Frank landed after an Elite 8 run.
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
Keep going. 2 more posts and you might have Angel as a smaller Chris Griffin and Gip being Manny Dies without the intensity.
Trim you're in a semantics debate now because you just remembered that's the recruiting class Frank landed after an Elite 8 run.
I'm not mad about that recruiting class. I had my damn Discover Card that I use at Sam's Club changed to the Puerto Rico flag version for eff's sake.
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Gip overall is pretty good, but you have to give oscar credit for his development
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Also, no disrespect to my man Chris Griffin. All disrespect to sonofdaxjones.
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
Keep going. 2 more posts and you might have Angel as a smaller Chris Griffin and Gip being Manny Dies without the intensity.
Trim you're in a semantics debate now because you just remembered that's the recruiting class Frank landed after an Elite 8 run.
I'm not mad about that recruiting class. I had my damn Discover Card that I use at Sam's Club changed to the Puerto Rico flag version for eff's sake.
An opportunity to create a powerhouse with 6 rides available and he lands a good guard and a serviceable big guy . . . fantastic, yet sad.
Sorry trim.
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Hip overall is pretty good, but you have to give oscar credit for his development.
Except for when he does poorly or when his name rhymes with Rad Thing. Obviously.
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1 pretty good player
a serviceable big guy
:lol:
OT: Can I change CF3's name here to "a serviceable big guy?"
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Hip overall is pretty good, but you have to give oscar credit for his development.
Except for when he does poorly or when his name rhymes with Rad Thing. Obviously.
Nobody can help that dork. He's a lost cause. Sprads has gotten progressively worse every year of his career.
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Frank's last real recruiting class, 1 really good player, 1 pretty good player, then Omari Lawrence, Jeremy Jones, James Watson and Adrian Diaz. Yet Frankites are really gonna stick to their "improvement" talking point on recruiting? 6 Tries and he gets 1 good player, 1 decent player? :lol:
In a single paragraph, you downgraded a "really good player" to a "good player" and a "pretty good player" to a "decent player."
Angel was good, and I don't know what to think about Gip, he's either pretty good at times or a complete dumpster fire.
But the point still remains, Frank was recruiting with an Elite 8 Run story gift wrapped for presentation and that's the class he lands.
Keep going. 2 more posts and you might have Angel as a smaller Chris Griffin and Gip being Manny Dies without the intensity.
Trim you're in a semantics debate now because you just remembered that's the recruiting class Frank landed after an Elite 8 run.
I'm not mad about that recruiting class. I had my damn Discover Card that I use at Sam's Club changed to the Puerto Rico flag version for eff's sake.
An opportunity to create a powerhouse with 6 rides available and he lands a good guard and a serviceable big guy . . . fantastic, yet sad.
Sorry trim.
Next level daxing my word.
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18 months into the new job, new AD, already forced to publicly apologize to player(s) and fans.
This isn't rocket surgery kids.
False
http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2014/01/21/frank-martin-south-carolina-apologizes-tirade-brenton-williams/4723279/
"South Carolina coach Frank Martin has apologized for a tirade directed at guard Brenton Williams in the first half in the Gamecocks' loss to Mississippi on Saturday. Martin says he went too far after getting caught up in the moment. Martin also apologized to fans around South Carolina's bench [i.e. powerful boosters] who heard the exchange."
I presume no apology would have been issued, but for the boosters hearing FM trash his player. I also presume that the upset boosters took their grievance to the AD who, in turn, took action.
No, I don't have any facts to support this obvious theory.
Well I have facts. No where in that article did it state that he was forced to apologize, Frank said on 810 that no one asked him to apologize, he did it on his own.
The same guy who said he never demeans players.
link? Frank said in that same 810 interview that he apologized to Williams because Frank felt he demeaned him. You are working really hard to keep this up dax.
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In a couple decades, Beems will post identical to how dax has been posting in this thread.
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Expansive discussion in Tuck land with a direct quote from Frank's time with BITB"
"Never, in my career, have I demeaned a player..."
So, even though it's tuck land, 30 people didn't hear that correctly?
"I'm listening and I spit my coffee out when he said that. LOL."
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In a couple decades, Beems will post identical to how dax has been posting in this thread.
I want there to be an empire strikes back moment where it's revealed Dax is Beems' father. sonofsonofdaxjones.
eff, forgot this was a star trek board.
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed a recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
Many of the same people took years (me included I will admit) to quit melting down over Snyder's recruiting classes.
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
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1 pretty good player
a serviceable big guy
:lol:
OT: Can I change CF3's name here to "a serviceable big guy?"
Better than GuillermoDiazFor3, be my guest
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Expansive discussion in Tuck land with a direct quote from Frank's time with BITB"
"Never, in my career, have I demeaned a player..."
So, even though it's tuck land, 30 people didn't hear that correctly?
"I'm listening and I spit my coffee out when he said that. LOL."
Why do you keep cutting that quote in half?
BTW whatever he said to Williams must have been horrendous
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?
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In a couple decades, Beems will post identical to how dax has been posting in this thread.
That might make sense if I didn't disagree with him on just about everything, including Frank.
:dunno:
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.
If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.
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Expansive discussion in Tuck land with a direct quote from Frank's time with BITB"
"Never, in my career, have I demeaned a player..."
So, even though it's tuck land, 30 people didn't hear that correctly?
"I'm listening and I spit my coffee out when he said that. LOL."
Why do you keep cutting that quote in half?
BTW whatever he said to Williams must have been horrendous
Whether I cut the quote in half or not, doesn't change the outright BS that spewed forth from Frank's mouth, does he really think we're deaf and dumb?
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?
I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not? :dunno:
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Wasnt Frank the main guy on Pullen? Gift wrapped is way too strong. Beasley and Walker left after just a year, who else was gift wrapped for him?
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.
If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.
What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself. But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.
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Wasnt Frank the main guy on Pullen? Gift wrapped is way too strong. Beasley and Walker left after just a year, who else was gift wrapped for him?
Dom and Jamar
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?
I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not? :dunno:
You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.
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Wasnt Frank the main guy on Pullen? Gift wrapped is way too strong. Beasley and Walker left after just a year, who else was gift wrapped for him?
Dom and Jamar
Dom was pretty good defensively, but didnt provide much offensively. So out of all the players that were "gift wrapped" for him, Jamar was the only one that panned out in the long run?
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I remember Pullen being Te's guy. Without trying to quantify, it seems to me like, aside from the first one, Frank's teams were about 50/50 Frank/Te.
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?
I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not? :dunno:
You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.
Apparently too smart for your own good. You showed oscar, Trim. 'Grats!
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As far as I'm concerned Frank only gets credit for Luis Colon. (RIP)
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Are you passive aggressively referring to anyone else but trim?
I mean there's more than a few, but trim would rather troll this guy all day long on Twitter, than see the cats be successful. I mean are these ppl team cats or not? :dunno:
You got the part about "these ppl" (it's @TrimGoEMAW) being really smart right.
Apparently too smart for your own good. You showed oscar, Trim. 'Grats!
I'm sure this makes sense in your mind.
Anyway, I'll be bringing everyone a possibly abridged version of #BruceInBed tomorrow morning as soon as I return to bed after waking up and pissing (in the bathroom that I'll walk to, and into a toilet). Even though it's Lowery at the Hilton Garden Inn, I know a sickly #oscar phones in at the beginning. Plan the start of your day accordingly.
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:D Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.
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:D Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.
Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.
If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.
What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself. But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.
I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:
Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper
The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning. Frank won and I liked him. If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins. If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care. If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care. You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know. What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning. Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.
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:D Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.
Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.
OK. Whatever that means. You like to make ppl feel small, to make yourself feel better. Free advice. Sorry oscar is mushing you in your face. T's & P's
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:D Sometimes I imagine a world where my guy ( Paul Morrison ) follows you around with tweets, bbs'in and IRL PI'ing of your daily performance. It makes me feel all good inside.
Just because gE'rs sometimes give good advice doesn't make this site a licensed therapist.
OK. Whatever that means. You like to make ppl feel small, to make yourself feel better. Free advice. Sorry oscar is mushing you in your face. T's & P's
@?
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So, there's a lot going on in here.
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.
If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.
What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself. But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.
I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:
Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper
The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning. Frank won and I liked him. If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins. If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care. If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care. You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know. What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning. Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.
That's great, you enjoy a slightly above mediocre program, and that's probably good enough for me as well. A slightly above mediocre basketball program garners (at least IMO) almost exactly the salary that Frank was paid at K-State. It also only garners a coach a moderate level of capital or equity (whatever) in terms of what a school will or will not put up with.
I don't think I am going too far out on a limb by saying that a coach with Frank's personality, that's seemingly unable to rise above a level of moderate success . . . likely creates an environment of even greater instability and volatility. We were already starting to see that.
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Dom and Jamar
samuels was recruited after huggins left.
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Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.
http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem
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Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.
http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem
I think it marginalizes apartheid to compare college basketball to it.
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Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.
http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem
I think it marginalizes apartheid to compare college basketball to it.
But it has valid points and Frank's got an even bigger contract at USCe and absolutely nothing is going right there so far, and that's when Frank is forced to stare ridiculously at stat sheets for minutes at a time in the midst of a blow out . . . At the hands of a really bad team to avoid going completely incendiary on his basketball team . . . just days after becoming unhinged in the midst of another loss.
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I don't give Frank credit for recruits that came to play for Huggins, and I don't praise my waiter for how good my food is.
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Frank was responsible for Denis and Angel for sure. Luis. Asprilla. Chris Merriewether....... holy crap, did we talk about this at anytime before? found it when I googled chris merrywether for spelling correction.
http://www.examiner.com/article/judge-s-exodus-at-k-state-signifies-bigger-black-problem
also the nyc guys
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Really enjoying Trim and Dax's work since page 5.
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I think the main thing that pisses me off w/ #TeamBID'rs, is they can't give credit where credit is do. Is oscar a dork? Yes. Did we know he'd have success last year? Yes. Did we think he'd win a conference? No. Did we think he'd regroup this year w/ a underrated FR class this year? No. They'd rather be right then celebrate the surprise success we have. Some of these #bid supporters are really smart too. Like lawyer smart, but still beg for this guy to fall on his face. :frown:
Begging to anyone who will listen that Frank needs more years with USC before we judge, but ready to run chicken nuggets out of town as soon as he fails. Boy it hurts to be wrong! :smellis:
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Honestly, if any other coach at K-State besides Frank went out and signed recruiting class that contained 2 legit D1 players and 4 busts just two years removed from an Elite 8 run (or any other kind of similar run in another sport), the Frankites would be absolutely out of their minds with rage.
I like how you use the Elite 8 run as a negative for Frank's tenure.
If any KSU B-Ball coach takes a team to the Elite 8 and follows it up with back to back NCAA tournament appearances with wins, I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt on their recruiting.
What in essence you're saying that middling conference finishes and an opening round win would always be good enough, and that's fine, I'm pretty much down with that myself. But with that in mind, we must then agree that Frank was literally at the top of the pay scale for coaches with that kind of career track . . . thus rendering the "Pay Frank" 2.0 campaign silly and wasted.
I would give a coach a lifetime contract at KSU if every 5 years he would:
Make the tournament 4 times
Win a tournament game every time he went
Make one run to the sweet 16 or deeper
The basketball related items such as recruiting, shmoozing donors, good PR, etc all only matter to me in how it relates to winning. Frank won and I liked him. If he recruits like crap, I don't care so long as he wins. If a bunch of big $$ donors hated him, I don't care. If he has a terribly annoying voice and is really awkward, I don't care. You can say his recruiting was going bad and was going to a downward spiral and maybe it was, we will never know. What I do know is that Frank won enough while he was here for me and that's what I judge on, winning. Although I didn't like the oscar hire, I will judge him based on winning as well.
Then can anyone tell why all the Snyder recruiting hate.
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I don't give Frank credit for recruits that came to play for Huggins, and I don't praise my waiter for how good my food is.
If the waiter hired the head chef and the other kitchen employees then you would.
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Anyway, I'll be bringing everyone a possibly abridged version of #BruceInBed tomorrow morning as soon as I return to bed after waking up and pissing (in the bathroom that I'll walk to, and into a toilet). Even though it's Lowery at the Hilton Garden Inn, I know a sickly #oscar phones in at the beginning. Plan the start of your day accordingly.
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As far as I'm concerned Frank only gets credit for Luis Colon. (RIP)
:confused:
I Googled him and found out he and his girlfriend were beaten in a robbery last month, but nothing about him dying.
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As far as I'm concerned Frank only gets credit for Luis Colon. (RIP)
:confused:
I Googled him and found out he and his girlfriend were beaten in a robbery last month, but nothing about him dying.
but, since the armed robbery, I hope he's been resting peacefully. Sounds like he got his ass beat.
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This thread has provided some EMPAC-type therapy relief for the BIDers. Its been a rough 18 months for them.
Its a good thing we all pay premium for this, 'cause they (BID 'ers) should feel guilty receiving this therapy for free.
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This thread has provided some EMPAC-type therapy relief for the BIDers. Its been a rough 18 months for them.
Its a good thing we all pay premium for this, 'cause they (BID 'ers) should feel guilty receiving this therapy for free.
PAK today?
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Mrs BP and BP hosting golf buds in Man Cave today , then nine holes..... :cheers:
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Mrs BP and BP hosting golf buds in Man Cave today , then nine holes..... :cheers:
Interesting move allowing your poon in your mancave.
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Limited.
Keep the beer cold, the dip warm, then GTFO.