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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on October 13, 2013, 08:31:38 AM
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at anyone going off on the hit on Daily (don't want to see anyone get hurt).
The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
In addition, a defender trying to pursue a ball carrier is NOT a "defenseless player". He is not going down, he has not "surrendered" on the play, he wasn't some QB standing back in the pocket looking down field after throwing a pass, Daily wasn't some guy trailing 10 yards behind the play and was sought out to target.
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The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
That's one of 2 ways to draw the penalty.
The targeting rule is as follows:
• No player shall target and initiate contact vs. opponent with the crown of his helmet.
• No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/mike-pereira-blog-targeting-rule-could-be-a-real-problem-083113
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No and I agree, SAMs getting slammed after the play was over was bullshit and all I had was the south video board to see the pick at the end but we all thought it should at the least be reviewed. Refs have been bad all the way around this year and we have an extra one now so it's not really excusable
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That hit was amazing, sorry Kip.
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Does Kip have sketti brains now? :ohno:
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Does Kip have sketti brains now? :ohno:
Sams will if he doesn't learn how to throw.
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I wish waters would learn how to throw.
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Great hit/block....fans are getting used to any hard hit being called tho, hence the butthurt
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
Speaking of boos, I'm fine with people having a negative opinion on Waters, but booing him when he takes the field to start the game is poor. JMHO.
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I wish waters would learn how to throw.
I wish Sams would learn how to throw.
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
Speaking of boos, I'm fine with people having a negative opinion on Waters, but booing him when he takes the field to start the game is poor. JMHO.
I didn't hear that. Minus a few people complaining, but they were just talking not yelling.
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
Speaking of boos, I'm fine with people having a negative opinion on Waters, but booing him when he takes the field to start the game is poor. JMHO.
I didn't hear that. Minus a few people complaining, but they were just talking not yelling.
I was yelling at the coaches and jack waiters.
edit: also, i thought that was a great block.
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Kip got rough ridin' rocked. I didn't think it was dirty at all, but man did he get wrecked!
Hope he's feeling ok today.
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
Speaking of boos, I'm fine with people having a negative opinion on Waters, but booing him when he takes the field to start the game is poor. JMHO.
Probably wouldn't happen at ames.
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the only good boo of the game and all it only served to show the refs that they could take advantage of our unknowledgable fanbase, which they did in the 2nd half.
Speaking of boos, I'm fine with people having a negative opinion on Waters, but booing him when he takes the field to start the game is poor. JMHO.
I didn't hear that. Minus a few people complaining, but they were just talking not yelling.
I didn't hear booing either but there was a healthy amount of heckling Snyder happening every single time Waters came in.
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I booed. I just don't see why he plays and I want my cats to be successful. I don't dislike him. It's like booing a wasted timeout or dumb play call :dunno:
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at anyone going off on the hit on Daily (don't want to see anyone get hurt).
The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
In addition, a defender trying to pursue a ball carrier is NOT a "defenseless player". He is not going down, he has not "surrendered" on the play, he wasn't some QB standing back in the pocket looking down field after throwing a pass, Daily wasn't some guy trailing 10 yards behind the play and was sought out to target.
Sad and hearty lol to you. http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=209283430
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bunch of pussies these days, eh Dax?
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at anyone going off on the hit on Daily (don't want to see anyone get hurt).
The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
In addition, a defender trying to pursue a ball carrier is NOT a "defenseless player". He is not going down, he has not "surrendered" on the play, he wasn't some QB standing back in the pocket looking down field after throwing a pass, Daily wasn't some guy trailing 10 yards behind the play and was sought out to target.
Sad and hearty lol to you. http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=209283430
Man, B12 officials are having a bad year...even by their already sub-par standards. :dubious:
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at anyone going off on the hit on Daily (don't want to see anyone get hurt).
The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
In addition, a defender trying to pursue a ball carrier is NOT a "defenseless player". He is not going down, he has not "surrendered" on the play, he wasn't some QB standing back in the pocket looking down field after throwing a pass, Daily wasn't some guy trailing 10 yards behind the play and was sought out to target.
Sad and hearty lol to you. http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_OEM_ID=10410&ATCLID=209283430
i'm sorry but it was a clean hit. it's getting to a point where football players can't even make a good hard hit on someone. idk how many times i've seen a safety this year pull up a little and not go for the big hit and the pass is completed. defenses really are at a disadvantage in today's game.
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that's nuts. daily was squared up to the play, he couldn't have been in a more defensible position.
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The shoulder hit first, yeah the Baylor guy had his head down a little, but the initial contact was with the shoulder. The rule clearly indicates targeting with the crown of the helmet.
That's one of 2 ways to draw the penalty.
The targeting rule is as follows:
• No player shall target and initiate contact vs. opponent with the crown of his helmet.
• No player shall target and initiate contact to the head or neck area of a defenseless opponent.
http://msn.foxsports.com/collegefootball/story/mike-pereira-blog-targeting-rule-could-be-a-real-problem-083113
Seems pretty obvious...
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That is not a hard call. It is obviously targeting. The spirt of the rule is to protect players from concussions.
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Well, good for Jake Waters' favorite team.
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Hit was dirty under the rules, its a shame the refs missed such an obvious call. At min it should have been 15. Gif shows what could be ejectable targeting.
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Tuck factor on goEMAW is pretty much at an all-time high at this point in time.
Probably outta just shut it down and start over.
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Hit was dirty under the rules, its a shame the refs missed such an obvious call. At min it should have been 15. Gif shows what could be ejectable targeting.
if the roles were reversed you'd say it was a clean hit
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Has no one posted that the Big 12 suspended him for the first half of Baylor's next game?
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People just need to learn to block low. There really is no such thing as a "good clean hit" above the shoulders anymore and there really shouldn't be.
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People just need to learn to block low. There really is no such thing as a "good clean hit" above the shoulders anymore and there really shouldn't be.
so lets just go for his knees instead
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I didn't think it was a malicious or dirty hit, just a function of how the play ended up happening, was way to bang bang for it to be malicious. That being said by the rules it was targeting, and I don't think there was much up for debate until the refs didn't call it.
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Has no one posted that the Big 12 suspended him for the first half of Baylor's next game?
yeah. the reason the it got bumped last page.
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Leading with the crown of the helmet, targeting the head, or targeting a defenseless player like a QB in the pocket, a trailer etc. etc. Are perfectly justifiable reasons for flags, ejections, suspensions etc. etc.
But when I see tha play, I see a lead with a shoulder on a defender trying to make a play on a ball carrier. Just because a guy's head gets snapped back because he didn't have his head on a swivel like he should have, does not make it a dirty hit.
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People just need to learn to block low. There really is no such thing as a "good clean hit" above the shoulders anymore and there really shouldn't be.
so lets just go for his knees instead
Why not shoot for the chest?
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Leading with the crown of the helmet, targeting the head, or targeting a defenseless player like a QB in the pocket, a trailer etc. etc. Are perfectly justifiable reasons for flags, ejections, suspensions etc. etc.
But when I see tha play, I see a lead with a shoulder on a defender trying to make a play on a ball carrier. Just because a guy's head gets snapped back because he didn't have his head on a swivel like he should have, does not make it a dirty hit.
His head snapped back because the blocker launched himself into him and hit him directly on the head with his shoulder pad. It was clearly targeting, which is why the player is facing a suspension.
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Leading with the crown of the helmet, targeting the head, or targeting a defenseless player like a QB in the pocket, a trailer etc. etc. Are perfectly justifiable reasons for flags, ejections, suspensions etc. etc.
But when I see tha play, I see a lead with a shoulder on a defender trying to make a play on a ball carrier. Just because a guy's head gets snapped back because he didn't have his head on a swivel like he should have, does not make it a dirty hit.
His head snapped back because the blocker launched himself into him and hit him directly on the head with his shoulder pad. It was clearly targeting, which is why the player is facing a suspension.
Daily was not in a full upright position, how do you even avoid hitting the guy in the head when you're leading with the shoulder pad. It's out of control all over the game now, I saw multiple calls on guys for "targeting" over the weekend, when they clearly lead with the shoulder pad.
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Leading with the crown of the helmet, targeting the head, or targeting a defenseless player like a QB in the pocket, a trailer etc. etc. Are perfectly justifiable reasons for flags, ejections, suspensions etc. etc.
But when I see tha play, I see a lead with a shoulder on a defender trying to make a play on a ball carrier. Just because a guy's head gets snapped back because he didn't have his head on a swivel like he should have, does not make it a dirty hit.
His head snapped back because the blocker launched himself into him and hit him directly on the head with his shoulder pad. It was clearly targeting, which is why the player is facing a suspension.
Daily was not in a full upright position, how do you even avoid hitting the guy in the head when you're leading with the shoulder pad. It's out of control all over the game now, I saw multiple calls on guys for "targeting" over the weekend, when they clearly lead with the shoulder pad.
Bending your knees and not launching yourself into the air would probably be a good place to start.
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People just need to learn to block low. There really is no such thing as a "good clean hit" above the shoulders anymore and there really shouldn't be.
so lets just go for his knees instead
Why not shoot for the chest?
Why does no one appreciate the good ol' get up under the shoulder pads and launch the guy a thousand feet anymore? It's not that hard to aim for the largest part of the body is it?
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Leading with the crown of the helmet, targeting the head, or targeting a defenseless player like a QB in the pocket, a trailer etc. etc. Are perfectly justifiable reasons for flags, ejections, suspensions etc. etc.
But when I see tha play, I see a lead with a shoulder on a defender trying to make a play on a ball carrier. Just because a guy's head gets snapped back because he didn't have his head on a swivel like he should have, does not make it a dirty hit.
His head snapped back because the blocker launched himself into him and hit him directly on the head with his shoulder pad. It was clearly targeting, which is why the player is facing a suspension.
Daily was not in a full upright position, how do you even avoid hitting the guy in the head when you're leading with the shoulder pad. It's out of control all over the game now, I saw multiple calls on guys for "targeting" over the weekend, when they clearly lead with the shoulder pad.
Bending your knees and not launching yourself into the air would probably be a good place to start.
From what I've seen he bent his knees and his feet never left the ground at all on initial contact. It's almost impossible to hit a guy at that angle leadinng with the shoulder pads with your feet already off the ground. The Baylor players hips were square, his feet appear to be planted on the grond and the impact point was his shoulder pads.
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Hit was dirty under the rules, its a shame the refs missed such an obvious call. At min it should have been 15. Gif shows what could be ejectable targeting.
if the roles were reversed you'd say it was a clean hit
Your posting is just so crap-tastic it needs to be recognized.
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Im glad Dax took over where Manhatter left off when it comes to hip critiquing.
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1. If it was a dirty hit like the conference deemed, why was he suspended for only a half?
2. How in the hell did the OSU guy who threw the punch last week not get suspended?
The Big 12 Conference seems to give punishments out by wheel spin, random draw, or mad libs.
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I thought the half game suspension was all the flag was supposed to entail. It's not like they can go back and retroactively suspend him for the remainder of the K-State game. It's possible the punch wasn't brought to the Big 12 for review. :dunno:
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I wish waters would learn how to throw.
I wish Sams would learn how to throw.
Let's play "Guess the QB!"
QB A: 68.8% completion percentage, 8.18 YPA, Lng of 67, 132.9 rating
QB B: 62.3% completion percentage, 8.49 YPA, Lng of 56, 136.3 rating
Looks like these QBs have pretty similar results throwing the ball.
The only difference is that one of them has an adjusted QBR that is 50.6 points higher, and also averages 6.1 YPC. And one of these QBs has been achieving these stats against Big XII defenses, while the other QB padded his stats against NDSU, Louisiana-Lafayette, and UMASS.
Is there a microphone-dropping emoticon that I can use in PCP's face here? I can't find it, TIA.
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I thought the half game suspension was all the flag was supposed to entail. It's not like they can go back and retroactively suspend him for the remainder of the K-State game. It's possible the punch wasn't brought to the Big 12 for review. :dunno:
Those suspensions are intended to be 2 half suspensions, he's getting one. There is no reason why, if he was ruled to be violating the targeting rule, he shouldn't be sitting two halves. I didn't think it was targeting but if they are ruling it that way that officiating crew should be reprimanded for not properly administering a point of emphasis.
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Dax's grumpy meter might break the 137.5 decibels he was at yesterday!
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1. If it was a dirty hit like the conference deemed, why was he suspended for only a half?
2. How in the hell did the OSU guy who threw the punch last week not get suspended?
The Big 12 Conference seems to give punishments out by wheel spin, random draw, or mad libs.
Or the UT Mike Davis cheap shot?
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had the KD hit happened to an offensive player by a defensive player there would have been a targeting call.
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Dax's grumpy meter might break the 137.5 decibels he was at yesterday!
dax paid for it to be that high.
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NK is right. The guy launched and it should have been flagged during the game.
Not sure why this is debatable. The same block could have been effectuated flag football technique. Instead the guy threw his entire body at Daily's jugular.
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At this point it appears I am so entrenched inside Cartier's head that his Cerebral Cortex is going all Vichy and making overtures of collaboration.
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At this point it appears I am so entrenched inside Cartier's head that his Cerebral Cortex is going all Vichy and making overtures of collaboration.
Don't flatter yourself bud.
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Hit was dirty under the rules, its a shame the refs missed such an obvious call. At min it should have been 15. Gif shows what could be ejectable targeting.
if the roles were reversed you'd say it was a clean hit
Your posting is just so crap-tastic it needs to be recognized.
Glad you are recognizing it...so many of his arguments seem to come down to 'you aren't able to see this objectively, but I am.'
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Maybe he'll pay more attention next time.
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had the KD hit happened to an offensive player by a defensive player there would have been a targeting call.
This
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The Big 12 deemed it as targeting, Coleman is out half the Iowa St game...so enough said...