You are a bad person.
You are a bad person.
No as bad as Sams is at football.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
GE.c has to eat crow on this one. I already have.
Sams is not as good as we think he is
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
GE.c has to eat crow on this one. I already have.
Sams is not as good as we think he is
Are you kidding me? One game, no not even one game. Less than one full game in his career where he's ever been allowed to throw and you're going to give up on him. rough ridin' pathetic. We're not even in this game without him.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
He played just enough to hand OSU the ball inside the 10 yard line, though.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
He played just enough to hand OSU the ball inside the 10 yard line, though.
And Sams didn't turn the ball over?
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
He played just enough to hand OSU the ball inside the 10 yard line, though.
And Sams didn't turn the ball over?
We would have still had the lead after OSU's last touchdown if Jake doesn't fumble there. Sams' last 2 picks don't even happen because we are running out the clock.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
He played just enough to hand OSU the ball inside the 10 yard line, though.
And Sams didn't turn the ball over?
We would have still had the lead after OSU's last touchdown if Jake doesn't fumble there. Sams' last 2 picks don't even happen because we are running out the clock.
Dude, you're being an idiot. Sams did throw those two picks, Jake didn't. You don't really think we'd able to run all that clock without throwing a single pass, do you? The sooner you admit to yourself that Sams had a terrible rough ridin' game, the better.
Dude cost us the game, not sure how anyone could argue that. Seriously should just move him to RB but never, ever let him throw the ball again.
I think we win if Waters doesn't take any snaps.
Yeah, blame the dude who barely played, not the guy how played almost all game and had a 38.6 QBR. They both suck but Waters didn't play enough to cost us this game.
He played just enough to hand OSU the ball inside the 10 yard line, though.
And Sams didn't turn the ball over?
We would have still had the lead after OSU's last touchdown if Jake doesn't fumble there. Sams' last 2 picks don't even happen because we are running out the clock.
Dude, you're being an idiot. Sams did throw those two picks, Jake didn't. You don't really think we'd able to run all that clock without throwing a single pass, do you? The sooner you admit to yourself that Sams had a terrible rough ridin' game, the better.
Sams threw plenty of passes without tossing picks when he didn't feel like he needed to create a big play because he was running out of time. He had a much better game throwing short passes than Waters did. He just needs to stop going deep.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7mthat's our guy :cool:
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7mthat's our guy :cool:
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7m
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
I don't care what anyone says; I just love this kid. :love:Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7mthat's our guy :cool:
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7m
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7m
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
this is what a quarterback says.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a respect. He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He was okay throwing the ball with a few very bad decisions, but it seems limited to judge a dual threat QB by QBR. Sams did a lot of things outside the passing game that really helped the offense today and those can't just be thrown out because of the QBR numbers.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
You use the word abysmal in a strange way, like wrongly.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
You use the word abysmal in a strange way, like wrongly.
Does he use it in a abysmal way?
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a respect. He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
What was Jake Water's QB rating before the last 5 minutes of the Texas game?
This board's ability to make excuses for Sams is unrivaled.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a respect. He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
What was Jake Water's QB rating before the last 5 minutes of the Texas game?
This board's ability to make excuses for Sams is unrivaled.
waters sucks dude. we were losing to texas the entire game b/c of that loser
I love Sams. Support him 100%. That said, this thread title is really good.
our quarterback ran for 33 more yards than the entire other team tonight
our quarterback ran for 33 more yards than the entire other team tonight
27 carries a game isn't sustainable, we will break him. have to get Hubert more involved somehow.
Lot of drunk retards with low FBIQ doing some meltdown posting. Sams doesn't suck. He made some stupid errors, but is the obvious future of this team. Great to see him in full command (mostly) out there today. He has a lot of maturing to do, but his upside is huge. We lost but with Waters it would have been much worse.
Lot of drunk retards with low FBIQ doing some meltdown posting. Sams doesn't suck. He made some stupid errors, but is the obvious future of this team. Great to see him in full command (mostly) out there today. He has a lot of maturing to do, but his upside is huge. We lost but with Waters it would have been much worse.
You are stating hypothetical situations as fact. Waters didn't play, we don't know. Just like we don't know what would have happened had Sams played more previously. Nobody here watches practices, knows them in person. I doubt Bill is intentionally losing games, our overall scheme doesn't match up well with either of these guy and our defense isn't doing the offense any big favors.
Pretty witty <------rhyme.I love Sams. Support him 100%. That said, this thread title is really good.
yeah, so witty
Shut the eff up, Carnes.
Lot of drunk retards with low FBIQ doing some meltdown posting. Sams doesn't suck. He made some stupid errors, but is the obvious future of this team. Great to see him in full command (mostly) out there today. He has a lot of maturing to do, but his upside is huge. We lost but with Waters it would have been much worse.
You are stating hypothetical situations as fact. Waters didn't play, we don't know. Just like we don't know what would have happened had Sams played more previously. Nobody here watches practices, knows them in person. I doubt Bill is intentionally losing games, our overall scheme doesn't match up well with either of these guy and our defense isn't doing the offense any big favors.
Lot of drunk retards with low FBIQ doing some meltdown posting. Sams doesn't suck. He made some stupid errors, but is the obvious future of this team. Great to see him in full command (mostly) out there today. He has a lot of maturing to do, but his upside is huge. We lost but with Waters it would have been much worse.
You are stating hypothetical situations as fact. Waters didn't play, we don't know. Just like we don't know what would have happened had Sams played more previously. Nobody here watches practices, knows them in person. I doubt Bill is intentionally losing games, our overall scheme doesn't match up well with either of these guy and our defense isn't doing the offense any big favors.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a respect. He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
What was Jake Water's QB rating before the last 5 minutes of the Texas game?
This board's ability to make excuses for Sams is unrivaled.
waters sucks dude. we were losing to texas the entire game b/c of that loser
The fact that this board thinks the win/loss of our games is determined entirely by QB play is stupidity. Better coaching would have won every game this year regardless of QB.
Fwiw this board is too stupid to have an info pendent thought.
Fwiw this board is too stupid to have an info independent thought.
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Daniel #LiFE Sams ?@DS4ms 7m
I will put this L on my shoulders as a quarterback of my team. But believe I will learn from my mistakes and play my heart out next week.
This is a lot better than saying you really like Paul Rhoads.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
What was Jake Water's QB rating before the last 5 minutes of the Texas game?
This board's ability to make excuses for Sams is unrivaled.
Sorry, but if waters played the whole game, I doubt we score more than 10 points ( and that includes the field goal block). We likely lose 40 - 10
Probably so. But this thread isn't about how terrible Waters is, there are plenty of those. This is out how terrible Life was today. Maybe he'll figure things out and surprise me next week but he was abysmal today.
I thought he was fantastic until the last 5 minutes of the game happened.
Dude. His QBR was sub 39. If you think that's terrific, you just might be a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). He had some nice runs but he still only averaged 4.4 for the game. Today, he was terrible. I love the kid but he played like crap today.
He threw 2 picks in the last five minutes of the game. What was his QBR before that?
What was Jake Water's QB rating before the last 5 minutes of the Texas game?
This board's ability to make excuses for Sams is unrivaled.
Maybe you should read the entire conversation and try again. I said Sams looked terrific during the first 55 minutes of the game, and he did. I didn't say he had a terrific game. The last 5 minutes did happen.
Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
Sams was miraculous today. And I don't mean that as a hyperbole, he single handedly healed our defense by keeping the offense on the field.
Sams was miraculous today. And I don't mean that as a hyperbole, he single handedly healed our defense by keeping the offense on the field.
Sams was miraculous today. And I don't mean that as a hyperbole, he single handedly healed our defense by keeping the offense on the field.
Sams was miraculous today. And I don't mean that as a hyperbole, he single handedly healed our defense by keeping the offense on the field.
Dude rabble rabble dude rabble. Dude rabble dude rabble rabble. Dude rabble rabble dude rabble rabble dude.
Didn't he complete like 15/21 today?Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
He played in both of those games. And the reason we were in this game was because the defense was amazing in the red zone and bailed out the offense after turnovers. The dude had a decent day running the ball but completely crap himself in the air.
Didn't he complete like 15/21 today?Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
He played in both of those games. And the reason we were in this game was because the defense was amazing in the red zone and bailed out the offense after turnovers. The dude had a decent day running the ball but completely crap himself in the air.
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Sams was miraculous today. And I don't mean that as a hyperbole, he single handedly healed our defense by keeping the offense on the field.
Didn't he complete like 15/21 today?Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
He played in both of those games. And the reason we were in this game was because the defense was amazing in the red zone and bailed out the offense after turnovers. The dude had a decent day running the ball but completely crap himself in the air.
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get out of here with your facts, jt doesn't want to hear them.
Didn't he complete like 15/21 today?Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
He played in both of those games. And the reason we were in this game was because the defense was amazing in the red zone and bailed out the offense after turnovers. The dude had a decent day running the ball but completely crap himself in the air.
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get out of here with your facts, jt doesn't want to hear them.
I've already mentioned his QBR several times and it was bad. Very bad.
Didn't he complete like 15/21 today?Terrific? I'm beginning to think some of you watched an entirely different game than the one between KState and OSU today.
Yeah, you're right. There is nothing terrific about taking a team that couldn't even beat NDSU or Texas without him and carrying them to a lead with just a few minutes to go on the road in his first real opportunity to play against the #21 team in America. What was I thinking?
He played in both of those games. And the reason we were in this game was because the defense was amazing in the red zone and bailed out the offense after turnovers. The dude had a decent day running the ball but completely crap himself in the air.
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Sams sucked yesterday guys. Get over it. He is still way better than Waters tho.
Huh, Tom Brady just heaved a ball into coverage and got picked off late in the game needing a touchdown.
Sams sucked yesterday guys. Get over it. He is still way better than Waters tho.
you're a rough ridin' idiot
effing Sam's Club members were just shown exactly why Sam's hasn't been allowed to throw and now are more delusional than ever. GMAFB. :'bye cruel world:
you guys. our top two wide receiver targets were gone.#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.
consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.
effing Sam's Club members were just shown exactly why Sam's hasn't been allowed to throw and now are more delusional than ever. GMAFB. :'bye cruel world:
just out of curiosity, were you a klein fan?
Huh, Tom Brady just heaved a ball into coverage and got picked off late in the game needing a touchdown.
I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point. They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.
I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point. They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.
What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?
I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point. They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.
What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?
Yeah, as much as his mind allows for clear thought.
I know that nobody truly believes Sams shouldn't play QB for the 'Cats 100% of the time at this point. They might come close to convincing themselves, for a number of odd personal reasons, but deep down they know better.
What about LHC Bill Snyder, though? Does he believe that?
Yeah, as much as his mind allows for clear thought.
DINKMENTIA!! (still love it)
Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 54 136 39.7 855 6.3 4.2 4 8 90.5
Year School Conf Class Pos Att Yds Avg TD
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 142 643 4.5 9
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Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.
Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 54 136 39.7 855 6.3 4.2 4 8 90.5
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Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.
Yep. I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.
Yep. I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.
Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.you guys. our top two wide receiver targets were gone.#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.
consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.
Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.you guys. our top two wide receiver targets were gone.#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.
consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.
Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays. I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.
that said, three is bad. I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches. there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off. Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.
Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays. I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.
that said, three is bad. I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches. there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off. Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.
I don't mind taking risks downfield, but I would at least like to see a receiver in the general area that has some chance at making a catch when we do.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Truthfully, I am fine with either QB having an interception now and again on long ball plays. I am a fan of the big risk/big reward stuff as long as you have other offense that you rely on and an adequate D that lets you make those mistakes every once in a while.
that said, three is bad. I can't say I agree with any of them being on the coaches. there are always alternatives in the play if the primary is closed off. Especially with a kid that can run like Sams.
I don't mind taking risks downfield, but I would at least like to see a receiver in the general area that has some chance at making a catch when we do.
The last one he took a shot and it didn't work, that's not as big a deal to me. Imagine if we hadn't had to use the timeout on the 2PT conversion which would've allowed another QB run; maybe get down to the 30 or so and then we can take shots at the endzone.
The other 2 INTs I don't think were horrible decisions as much as they were bad throws. We know that he has a better arm than he showed on the 2nd one, he just underthrew the ball. The attempt at a touch pass to the TE wasn't bad either, just a tough throw that he didn't make and he's probably better off just running the ball on both and living for another down.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.
what percentage would you like to see? 70-30 coaches-qbs? 80-20? 90-10?Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
what percentage would you like to see? 70-30 coaches-qbs? 80-20? 90-10?Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Young Ell (and Ell in general) threw picks too. He did have 37 TDs to 26 INTs his career. Even his last year he was 24:12, so its not like he was ever great at not throwing picks.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.
Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass. I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.
I don't know if he was faster or if it really matters. He was way better at going up and getting the ball. Thus a way better deep threat.Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.
Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass. I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.
Two of Sam's interception should be on the coaching staff, shouldn't of had the option to be in that type of the play.you guys. our top two wide receiver targets were gone.#life's interceptions wouldn't have been caught by tlbl or ttt. that was on the qb. he has to make better decisions going forward.
consider how klein's passing ability would've looked last year with harper, thompson, or lockett.
Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 54 136 39.7 855 6.3 4.2 4 8 90.5
Year School Conf Class Pos Att Yds Avg TD
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 142 643 4.5 9
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Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.
Yep. I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.
Or maybe it's just that young quarterbacks struggle and it's only natural that he'll get better. Do you really think that Sams has peaked and won't get better?
Klein was 13:6 in 2011 and 16:9 in 2012. I think as long as Sams can get close to that 2:1 ratio his running skills bring enough to the table to allow us to win quite a few games.Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Young Ell (and Ell in general) threw picks too. He did have 37 TDs to 26 INTs his career. Even his last year he was 24:12, so its not like he was ever great at not throwing picks.
Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.Sam need to run when he see zone. Still believe we are being to hard on both QBs and not hard enough on coaches that have had the bad/weird game plans.
While I want Sams I will say that if Waters does play a lot, lets dismiss the absurdity of a QB run game and go with what the guy is capable of doing well.
Some of you (and I) are being overly harsh on Waters and it's really not the kids fault.
While I want Sams I will say that if Waters does play a lot, lets dismiss the absurdity of a QB run game and go with what the guy is capable of doing well.
Some of you (and I) are being overly harsh on Waters and it's really not the kids fault.
The primary reason I want Sams is because we've got no other viable option. We need a running QB plain and simple.
1) we don't have a passing QB on this roster.
2) we don't have the personnel to make a pro-style passing offense work.
3) our crap defense (keeping them off the field) makes it critically important to run the ball effectively and dominate time of possession.
4) #4 is arguably our best running back who throws nice short and intermediate passes.
I don't know if he was faster or if it really matters. He was way better at going up and getting the ball. Thus a way better deep threat.Sams' deep ball needs to be reserved for play-action-pass opportunities with 1-on-1 converge. I feel like that is how we used young Ell. Give him time continue to gain confidence in the passing game and slowly increase his field vision as time goes on. His run game and ability to sustain drives will continue to put us in a position to win.
Agreed, but I am not sure our healthy WRs can get separation right now, even with 1 on 1 coverage.
Separation is induced from the Play-Action-Pass. I don't recall how fast James Terry was but I really don't think he was faster than Lockett and Thompson (assuming here), and he could get plenty of separation on the P.A.P. when the safety's were biting on the run.
Our defense is giving up less than 25 pts/370yds/game. Wouldn't exactly call that shitty.
Year School Conf Class Pos Cmp Att Pct Yds Y/A AY/A TD Int Rate
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 54 136 39.7 855 6.3 4.2 4 8 90.5
Year School Conf Class Pos Att Yds Avg TD
2001 Kansas State Big 12 SO QB 142 643 4.5 9
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Our guy Sams is gonna be fine.
Yep. I could see how one black QB's success would lead a racist to assume they're all the same.
Or maybe it's just that young quarterbacks struggle and it's only natural that he'll get better. Do you really think that Sams has peaked and won't get better?
Never said he peaked but I am curious what you've seen out of him that makes you think he'll one day be as good as Ell was.
Ell pretty much was only allowed to throw deep bombs. Partially because that's the only type of pass Snyder wanted to throw from about 97-01, but part of it may have been because Ell never seemed to have great touch inside of 10 yards or so.
Does anyone think that Ell intentionally under-threw Terry at the '03 Dr. Pepper? I don't. That was a such a shitty throw that the d-back fell over and Terry stopped and made the catch and then walked into the endzone while we all went bonkers.Ell pretty much was only allowed to throw deep bombs. Partially because that's the only type of pass Snyder wanted to throw from about 97-01, but part of it may have been because Ell never seemed to have great touch inside of 10 yards or so.
Ell also had a 6'5 James Terry at WR. i imagine it's tougher to go deep when your average WR height is about 5'7.
The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws. :dunno:
The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws. :dunno:
Nuts Kicked disagrees :nono:
Then I guess you should have said, "new name for Nuts Kicked should be Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams."The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws. :dunno:
Nuts Kicked disagrees :nono:
Then I guess you should have said, "new name for Nuts Kicked should be Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams."The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws. :dunno:
Nuts Kicked disagrees :nono:
:lol: I sure didn't mean it as a slam towards you!Then I guess you should have said, "new name for Nuts Kicked should be Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams."The new name for this board should be
Kstate cat football: Excuses for Daniel Sams.
Everyone in the world agrees he made 2 terrible throws. :dunno:
Nuts Kicked disagrees :nono:
would take
Guggisberg effing nails it.
http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit (http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit)
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Guggisberg effing nails it.
http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit (http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit)
I hate his face.
Guggisberg effing nails it.
http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit (http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit)
I hate his face.
What about his bitchin' haircut?
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Our defense is giving up less than 25 pts/370yds/game. Wouldn't exactly call that shitty.
Well, we were man handled by a D2 school and have, otherwise played absolutely crap competition. (Yes, UT is rough ridin' horrible).
The only quasi-decent opponent we've played is OSU. And in that game we implemented our QB run game, win the time of possession battle 36mins/24 mins and, low and behold, we manage to hold them to 33 pts and 330 yards. Moral of the story, the defense benefits greatly from being on the sideline. Like I said.
And, consider the fact that we controlled the ball 36mins despite 4 turnovers. We could have easily held the ball over 65% of the game.
Our defense is giving up less than 25 pts/370yds/game. Wouldn't exactly call that shitty.
Well, we were man handled by a D2 school and have, otherwise played absolutely crap competition. (Yes, UT is rough ridin' horrible).
The only quasi-decent opponent we've played is OSU. And in that game we implemented our QB run game, win the time of possession battle 36mins/24 mins and, low and behold, we manage to hold them to 33 pts and 330 yards. Moral of the story, the defense benefits greatly from being on the sideline. Like I said.
And, consider the fact that we controlled the ball 36mins despite 4 turnovers. We could have easily held the ball over 65% of the game.
Dude, the D gave up 24 pts to NDSU. You're an idiot if you think that's being manhandled. Also, the O repeatedly mumped them and forced them to play with a short field for half of the OSU game and the D managed to force FGs the vast majority of the time. Your blind love for Sams has clearly effected your ability to judge a football game.
Guggisberg effing nails it.
http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit (http://themercury.com/articles/guggisberg-give-snyder-some-credit)
the Dan Sams picture used in the article, from last years OkState game, is just so badass looking
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
The opening drive of the game lasted 8:12 and it only went 38 yards. Had K-State continued that pace and scored a touchdown on that drive, it would have held onto the ball for more than a quarter's worth of the game. K-State had 44 offensive series prior to the game at Oklahoma State. In Stillwater, Sams led the 3 longest drives of the season in terms of time of possession (6:40, 7:02, 8:12).
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
The opening drive of the game lasted 8:12 and it only went 38 yards. Had K-State continued that pace and scored a touchdown on that drive, it would have held onto the ball for more than a quarter's worth of the game. K-State had 44 offensive series prior to the game at Oklahoma State. In Stillwater, Sams led the 3 longest drives of the season in terms of time of possession (6:40, 7:02, 8:12).
great stats :thumbs:
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
The opening drive of the game lasted 8:12 and it only went 38 yards. Had K-State continued that pace and scored a touchdown on that drive, it would have held onto the ball for more than a quarter's worth of the game. K-State had 44 offensive series prior to the game at Oklahoma State. In Stillwater, Sams led the 3 longest drives of the season in terms of time of possession (6:40, 7:02, 8:12).
great stats :thumbs:
Yes. 38 yards in 8:20. Absolutely amazing. So we were moving a little over a tenth of a mile per hour? Can you check that, mocat?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
The opening drive of the game lasted 8:12 and it only went 38 yards. Had K-State continued that pace and scored a touchdown on that drive, it would have held onto the ball for more than a quarter's worth of the game. K-State had 44 offensive series prior to the game at Oklahoma State. In Stillwater, Sams led the 3 longest drives of the season in terms of time of possession (6:40, 7:02, 8:12).
great stats :thumbs:
Yes. 38 yards in 8:20. Absolutely amazing. So we were moving a little over a tenth of a mile per hour? Can you check that, mocat?
0.155 miles per hour
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Why would you come to that conclusion?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Why would you come to that conclusion?
Don't the symptoms last 4 to 8 weeks?
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Why would you come to that conclusion?
Don't the symptoms last 4 to 8 weeks?
1. Snyder didn't indicate that he would play, he gave a non answer, he doesn't ever really rule anyone out.
2. Like most diseases the length and intensity of symptoms vary person to person. I had a girlfriend in college who was symptomatic with mono for 2 weeks. Its also possible that he was symptomatic for a bit before being diagnosed. The greatest threat to an athlete with mono is a ruptured spleen. If he has mono I would expect him not to play this weekend but he could/should be ready for WVU.
:love: Baylor won't stand a chance with clock eating drives like that!Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
Has there ever been a more Snyderball possession than that opening drive? I think we had a few drives where we were averaging over or around 1:20 per 10 yards and still moving the chains, which seems hilarious but maybe isn't that uncommon? Add in all the penalties that resulted in SAMs having more total yards than the length of the drive, and it was just a marvelously absurd opening sequence.
The opening drive of the game lasted 8:12 and it only went 38 yards. Had K-State continued that pace and scored a touchdown on that drive, it would have held onto the ball for more than a quarter's worth of the game. K-State had 44 offensive series prior to the game at Oklahoma State. In Stillwater, Sams led the 3 longest drives of the season in terms of time of possession (6:40, 7:02, 8:12).
If he had mono he wouldn't have rough ridin' traveled to Stillwater.
If he had mono he wouldn't have rough ridin' traveled to Stillwater.
Incorrect
When I was 13 I had what the doctors said was "like mono but wasn't mono" (ironically happened while I was in football). Anyway, I had a VERY swollen spleen. Oh man, what a horrible time.Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
Manbeck didn't even mention perhaps the most notable statistic from the game; K-State's offense held the ball for over 35 minutes. If we want to have any shot against Baylor we're going to need a repeat of that.
and with Lockett unavailable, who will JW throw to for his "big plays"?
snyds said today that tlbl and triple t could play saturday but "it remains to be seen" so i think they both go
So triple t didn't really have mono, then?
Why would you come to that conclusion?
Don't the symptoms last 4 to 8 weeks?
1. Snyder didn't indicate that he would play, he gave a non answer, he doesn't ever really rule anyone out.
2. Like most diseases the length and intensity of symptoms vary person to person. I had a girlfriend in college who was symptomatic with mono for 2 weeks. Its also possible that he was symptomatic for a bit before being diagnosed. The greatest threat to an athlete with mono is a ruptured spleen. If he has mono I would expect him not to play this weekend but he could/should be ready for WVU.
Ruptured spleen? I had no idea that was even a concern with mono. Don't get me wrong, it makes sense, I've just never heard that before. Interesting.
If he had mono he wouldn't have rough ridin' traveled to Stillwater.
If he had mono he wouldn't have rough ridin' traveled to Stillwater.
You speak with such certainty yet have no rough ridin' idea what you're talking about. I'm interested as to why you're so certain when it is obvious that you don't know anything about this specific Thompson illness or mono in general.
If he had mono he wouldn't have rough ridin' traveled to Stillwater.
You speak with such certainty yet have no rough ridin' idea what you're talking about. I'm interested as to why you're so certain when it is obvious that you don't know anything about this specific Thompson illness or mono in general.
I literally know nothing about mono, you are correct.
TT doesn't have mono. my god.
TT doesn't have mono. my god.
I thought I had mono once. Turns out I was just really bored.
:confused:TT doesn't have mono. my god.
I thought I had mono once. Turns out I was just really bored.
A fine joke by a generally active poster.
TT doesn't have mono. my god.
I thought I had mono once. Turns out I was just really bored.
TT doesn't have mono. my god.
I thought I had mono once. Turns out I was just really bored.
you stole this from waynes world, you SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TT doesn't have mono. my god.
I thought I had mono once. Turns out I was just really bored.
you stole this from waynes world, you SON OF A BITCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.kansas.com/2013/12/26/3197912/k-state-qb-daniel-sams-willing.html
“It is just going to depend on what the need is at the time,” Snyder said. “When he prepares himself well, he does pretty well underneath center. We will dissect it when the season is over, but I don’t see any foreseeable change. Maybe we could give him some additional responsibilities."
:dubious:
What "off the field" issues is Sams talking about? Grades?
What "off the field" issues is Sams talking about? Grades?
“I was in tears after the KU game,’’ Sams conceded. “Coach Snyder just came up to me and he apologized and he said he’ll get it worked out. I believe that. Coach Snyder has been on my side since I’ve been here, through all the mistakes and all the trouble off the field my freshman year. He’s always been by my side and he never gave up. I understand him and when he says he’s going to make it work, I believe him.’’
The first time sams caught a ball from Jake, it would rip a hole in my heart.
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Move him to RB. :thumbs:
All I want in this world is for Sams to be THE guy for the cats.
I can't even begin to describe how angry moving sams to WR would make me. It would make more sense to move jake to wr.
Do we have any other example in Bill's tenure where the known better guy doesn't play? Bill has always been on #TeamDontCareJustWin. I just can't wrap my head around the QB play issues, which I would need to be able to do before being ok with him moving Sams anywhere.
Everyone realizes that this is more of a Michael Robinson/Travoyne Boykin move and not a Chris Harper move, right? He'll still most likely get a few series a game at QB?
Sams is starting at QB tomorrow
Everyone realizes that this is more of a Michael Robinson/Travoyne Boykin move and not a Chris Harper move, right? He'll still most likely get a few series a game at QB?
no, I don't realize that. I mean, it's all rough ridin' stupid, so giving him a "few series" at QB is still rough ridin' stupid.
Do we have any other example in Bill's tenure where the known better guy doesn't play? Bill has always been on #TeamDontCareJustWin. I just can't wrap my head around the QB play issues, which I would need to be able to do before being ok with him moving Sams anywhere.
Um, how about Carson Coffman starting ahead of the Heisman runner-up? Or playing Marc Dunn for much of the 2001 season?
Do we have any other example in Bill's tenure where the known better guy doesn't play? Bill has always been on #TeamDontCareJustWin. I just can't wrap my head around the QB play issues, which I would need to be able to do before being ok with him moving Sams anywhere.
Um, how about Carson Coffman starting ahead of the Heisman runner-up? Or playing Marc Dunn for much of the 2001 season?
No one here knew what Colin was when he was backing up Carson and wasn't Dunn done after like game 4?
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Everyone realizes that this is more of a Michael Robinson/Travoyne Boykin move and not a Chris Harper move, right? He'll still most likely get a few series a game at QB?
Everyone realizes that this is more of a Michael Robinson/Travoyne Boykin move and not a Chris Harper move, right? He'll still most likely get a few series a game at QB?
And in both situations (moreso in the MR situation), you could argue that each respective coach was rough ridin' stupid for not just going with MR/TB. MR was shuffled around for 3 years (RB/QB/WR)....then finally when that pedophile enabler with tinted glasses pulled his rough ridin' head out of his ass and let MR play QB (almost entirely) his Sr year he led his team to an 11-1 record, a conf championship, and an Orange Bowl victory and set records (or near records) in the process (the preceding two years Penn State went 4-7, 3-9).
so yeah, it's a lot like MR.
If Sams can't play QB, I want him to get the eff out of here because of the sheer disrespect our assholes coaches are showing him. I don't care where he goes, our bad person coaches and our bad person fans don't deserve him if they're OK with him jumping after air-mailed Jake Waters passes in the flat.
If Sams can't play QB, I want him to get the eff out of here because of the sheer disrespect our assholes coaches are showing him. I don't care where he goes, our bad person coaches and our bad person fans don't deserve him if they're OK with him jumping after air-mailed Jake Waters passes in the flat.
Taking snaps at RB down there.
Move him to RB. :thumbs:
We need to remember we have an all big 12 QBPotential all-American IYAM
Apparently, Fitz is proposing a move for Sams to CB.Yup!
Tim Fitzgerald, commentary
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Talk about it in Wabash Station
SCOTTSDALE, Ariz. -- Something entirely predictable happened when Kansas State came to Arizona to play a football game this Saturday. The topic of two quarterbacks was a headline.
The remarkable thing for the Wildcats was the subject was not their quarterbacks. K-State's opponent in Saturday's Buffalo Wild Wings Bowl, the Michigan Wolverines, is experiencing its own quarterback drama this week and surely K-State's Jake Waters and Daniel Sams were glad to briefly take a back seat for once.
Associated Press
As the season has progressed, sophomore quarterback Daniel Sams is seeing the field less and less for Kansas State.
Michigan starter Devin Gardner will miss the game with a severe case of turf toe, which means freshman Shane Morris will step under center for the Wolverines. Morris threw just nine passes all season for Michigan.
"He's been great," Michigan coach Brady Hoke said of his freshman's bowl preparations. "He's been grounded. He's been excited. I think that's a nice combination. He's gone through practice at a high level and done a nice job."
Gardner's expected absence was the big quarterback story in the days leading up to game, but K-State's quarterback situation, the two-headed monster of Waters & Sams, that moved from intense controversy among the fan base to acceptance by season's end, reared its ugly head, even if so slightly, again in Arizona.
Waters, the junior known as the throwing quarterback, has taken control of the job for the Wildcats, meaning Sams, known as the runner, has been relegated to just a few snaps a game. As Sams showed by his forlorn reaction following K-State's 31-10 victory at Kansas to end the regular season, he's not particularly pleased with his diminished role in Coach LHC Bill Snyder's offense.
For Sams, an undeniably special athlete, it isn't as much about not playing quarterback, it's about not playing, and he made his feelings known again on Thursday when the teams held their pre-bowl media day.
"It's been tough. I'd be lying if I said it wasn't. But it's something I try to keep to myself. I don't want my teammates to see that," Sams said. "They obviously know I want to play and they know I'm sitting on the sidelines, but they know I just keep it to myself. The last thing I want is to pull my team apart.
"I was in tears after the KU game, and Coach Snyder just came up to me and he apologized. He said he'll get it worked out. I believe that. Coach Snyder's been on my side since I've been here. With all the mistakes and struggles my freshman year, he's been by my side and he's never given up. I do the same with him. When he says he's going to make it work, I believe him."
The question becomes obvious: How?
Waters is a steady hand, a deadeye passer when in sync and his ability to run the ball has vastly improved throughout the season. While he's not able to create near the electricity running the ball that Sams can -- and, honestly, few players in college football can -- he's also not likely to create, in coaches' lingo, nearly as many negative plays.
Sams expects to see an increased role in Saturday night's game at Sun Devil Stadium. He should, but he also may be setting himself up for heartbreak. Finding ways to etch out times for him to get on the field has proven challenging.
"To a certain degree it is (tough), yes. It's the nature of where we are at this particular point in time," Snyder said.
Steve Adelson
Quarterbacks Jake Waters and Daniel Sams have been an effective combination for K-State for most of the Big 12 schedule.
Eventually, though, Snyder must find a place for Sams on the field, even if not at quarterback.
Two years ago the player approached the coach about a position change and was rebuffed. Snyder knew Sams would compete for the job once Collin Klein departed, but then Waters showed up fresh off winning a junior college national championship at Iowa Western and so thoroughly immersed himself in learning Snyder's complex offense that he's started all 12 games for the Wildcats this season.
Sams is now ready to broach the topic of a position change again.
"I would. Just to be on the field. But that's something I haven't discussed with any of the coaches. Our focus is on Michigan at this point," Sams said.
Sams' fate may once again lie in the hands of another. This time, though, his fate could belong to freshman quarterback Jesse Ertz, who is sitting out this season as a redshirt, as well as, incoming freshman Aaron Sharp. If the two offer Snyder a post-Waters future at the position, not to mention a capable backup for next season, then moving Sams to another position would be possible.
Snyder said Friday that it's a scenario worth reviewing after this season is in the past.
"What happens after we conclude this season is something that will be assessed and evaluated during the next month or so," Snyder said. "We'll move on from there.
"Daniel is a very athletic young guy. The reason he's playing is because he deserves to play. He's done well. He's made improvement during the course of the year. It's significant to have him on the field. I think it's important. That certainly would be a major topic of conversation for us."
Allowing Sams to split time between another position and serving as Waters' full-service No. 2 doesn't seem realistic, however. The sophomore from Slidell, La., hasn't acquired the nuisances of the position practicing full-time as a quarterback, let alone splitting his focus with another duty.
The problem facing Snyder is blunt, and should not be perceived as a threat, just a harsh reality. He either plays Daniel Sams somewhere, or it seems entirely possible that Sams will transfer from Kansas State, a decision his love for his teammates and the school would make painful.
Moving Sams to a new spot in 2014 certainly would not preclude him from being used as K-State's "Wildcat" formation quarterback, offering him a stripped down package of plays to learn in case a gameplan calls for such formations. The obvious choices for Sams would be to serve as a running back or receiver, two positions that may greatly benefit from his athleticism over the next two seasons.
Sams took two snaps as a running back at Waters' side early this season at Oklahoma State, but Coach LHC Bill Snyder has not shown the formation since.
Sams, though, should strongly consider an entirely other option. He is blessed with the athletic ability to play in the NFL, but while it won't be as a quarterback, he seems to lack the physical running style to make it as a running back and the combination of average height and unproven receiver skills may limit him on the outside, too.
No, Sams belongs on the other side of the ball. He is Terence Newman reborn. Hyper athletic, confident, even brash, Sams has the size, speed and mental makeup of a cornerback. He also possesses a safety's knowledge of opposing offenses from being a former quarterback.
Like Newman, K-State's legendary cornerback who is winding down a long NFL career, nothing would prevent Sams from taking snaps on the offensive side of the ball, too. Newman saw some time at receiver, but Sams could still serve as the team's Wildcat formation quarterback.
There's one thing upon which K-State fans, and likely Snyder himself, can agree. Daniel Sams needs to play, and if there's one spot on the roster where the coaches seem to be conducting a perpetual talent search, it's cornerback.
No matter if it's quarterback, receiver, running back or even on the defensive side of the ball, Sams would like to talk to his coach once this season concludes. Something needs to change.
"I plan to talk with Coach Snyder, just let him know that I just want to be on the field. It doesn't matter if Jake's at quarterback. I just want to be on the field," Sams said.
It's safe to say that Daniel Sams is not the only one who wants Daniel Sams on the field for the Kansas State Wildcats.
Apparently, Fitz is proposing a move for Sams to CB.Fitz is a well documented dumbass.
Waters is a steady hand, a deadeye passer...
The sophomore from Slidell, La., hasn't acquired the nuisances of the position practicing full-time as a quarterback, let alone splitting his focus with another duty.
bill broke daniel :bawl:
bill broke daniel :bawl:
Daniel's been splitting time at QB since long before he got to Manhattan.
These threads don't really get old.I just had my future son-in-law shoot my horse today. Does that have anything to do with this thread??? :dunno:
These threads don't really get old.I just had my future son-in-law shoot my horse today. Does that have anything to do with this thread??? :dunno:
I can't even believe we're having this conversation. It's so idiotic it's almost incomprehensible.
These threads don't really get old.I just had my future son-in-law shoot my horse today. Does that have anything to do with this thread??? :dunno:I can't even believe we're having this conversation. It's so idiotic it's almost incomprehensible.
assholes. assholes. assholes.
assholes.
These threads don't really get old.I just had my future son-in-law shoot my horse today. Does that have anything to do with this thread??? :dunno:
Guys, I love dams, but waters OU game were beautiful. He'll be the starter Senior year.
I do too, Wacky. :lol:Guys, I love dams, but waters OU game were beautiful. He'll be the starter Senior year.
:sdeek:
bill broke daniel :bawl:
Daniel's been splitting time at QB since long before he got to Manhattan.
Is kind of crazy that Sams had been in this situation his whole football career.
http://highschoolsports.nola.com/news/article/-206946433168913296/salmens-quarterback-duo-of-daniel-sams-and-matt-lipham-create-headaches-for-opponents/
As a SR, he had 577 passing yards and 7 TDs, 579 rushing yards and 9 TDs, and 518 receiving yards and 9 TDs.
If Snyder moves our Honorable Mention All-Conference QB to a different position, then he should never be considered for the Hall of Fame.
I predict Sams having a big impact in today's game, I don't feel waters will be productive and we will have to depend on the running game. I'm hoping Sams will get worked in some zone option reads and have a break out performance.
Michigan's pass defense sucks. Sorry, you guys.
Did Sams QBR or whatever stat end up in the top 5 at the end of the year? Also any other impressive stats you can tell me about him would be appreciated.
Michigan's pass defense sucks. Sorry, you guys.
True but the scheme Dr!!! ..... When we play'ed Arky in the Cotton Bowl, they had one of the worst run D's in the country and yet Bill had Sketti Brains Klein throwing the ball all over the field (unsuccessfully). I won't abandon hope quite yet.
Michigan's pass defense sucks. Sorry, you guys.
True but the scheme Dr!!! ..... When we play'ed Arky in the Cotton Bowl, they had one of the worst run D's in the country and yet Bill had Sketti Brains Klein throwing the ball all over the field (unsuccessfully). I won't abandon hope quite yet.
Snyder completely shits his pants when we are behind by more than one score.
Fitz:
"I am confident that Sams as a cornerback, Wildcat formation QB and possible return specialist is the best way to maximize his skills.
There's an entire column on the front page outlining everything, and his desire to change positions next season if he's not the QB. And he won't be."
Fitz:
"I am confident that Sams as a cornerback, Wildcat formation QB and possible return specialist is the best way to maximize his skills.
There's an entire column on the front page outlining everything, and his desire to change positions next season if he's not the QB. And he won't be."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0M2EGnRGN8&feature=youtu.be
Fitz:
"I am confident that Sams as a cornerback, Wildcat formation QB and possible return specialist is the best way to maximize his skills.
There's an entire column on the front page outlining everything, and his desire to change positions next season if he's not the QB. And he won't be."
Beautiful. :love:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0M2EGnRGN8&feature=youtu.be
We have to remember that we are returning a potential All-American WR next season. There is no way that Sams is going to see the majority of snaps at QB unless an absolute miracle happens in regard to his throwing ability.
I don't see any reason that we wouldn't use the same rotation next season, with the exception of when Waters is playing QB have Sams on the field in some capacity. Whether if it is as a WR or RB.
blacklab4ksuI think that guy hates me more than any other poster on this blog. :frown:
Sams mom just tweeted "I'm done...."
Godamnit!
Sams mom just tweeted "I'm done...."
Godamnit!
Sams mom just tweeted "I'm done...."
Godamnit!
Said she was referring to her going to sleep.
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
:dubious:
Manbeck rough ridin' nails it.
http://powercatgameday.com/blog-hand-keys-sams/
Yeaaa no. Could write the same article for Waters.
Also, Waters has more big play potential than Sams.
wut
Sams should be our Boynkin next year.
You could be right.Sams should be our Boynkin next year.
It's better if we just make him a WR. For everyone. Let go, dlew.
For Sams sake, he would be better off at receiver. His chances of going to the next level would increase tremendously.Sams should be our Boynkin next year.
It's better if we just make him a WR. For everyone. Let go, dlew.
One game could mean everything next year. If waters is having an off day Sam's might have to come in and save us. So how many games will we need Sams at WR for? Maybe that one game he plays QB is more important. Also think 2015 should be Sam's year. :dunno:
Let's go nuts and just make Sams the full time starting QB.
hey wait you just said he should be full time wr and i already sort of deferred to you. what gives?One game could mean everything next year. If waters is having an off day Sam's might have to come in and save us. So how many games will we need Sams at WR for? Maybe that one game he plays QB is more important. Also think 2015 should be Sam's year. :dunno:
In that case, make Sams the full-time backup QB.
hey wait you just said he should be full time wr and i already sort of deferred to you. what gives?One game could mean everything next year. If waters is having an off day Sam's might have to come in and save us. So how many games will we need Sams at WR for? Maybe that one game he plays QB is more important. Also think 2015 should be Sam's year. :dunno:
In that case, make Sams the full-time backup QB.
Oh yeah. I'm not worried about Mr. TD.hey wait you just said he should be full time wr and i already sort of deferred to you. what gives?One game could mean everything next year. If waters is having an off day Sam's might have to come in and save us. So how many games will we need Sams at WR for? Maybe that one game he plays QB is more important. Also think 2015 should be Sam's year. :dunno:
In that case, make Sams the full-time backup QB.
That's only if we're worried about Ertz. I'd prefer the full-time WR to part-time WR and part-time QB.
Sams has had two full seasons of coaching, practices, film sessions and opportunities to show leadership. TWO FULL SEASONS! He had distinct and measurable advantages over Waters at the beginning of this season, having already been immersed in the K-State football culture. He had the chance to step up and seize this position because of those advantages. He didn't. Snyder doesn't trust him as a starter, and my guess is he has miles of ground to make up next season to even challenge Waters for the job. I keep hearing about Sams "upside and potential" being greater than Waters. Should I assume then that the "upside" of quarterbacks like Michael Vick and RG3 are greater than players like Peyton Manning and Drew Brees who can't run a lick and aren't as athletic as these two. And don't give me this business about the pro game being different than the college game. Look what Manning and Brees accomplished at both levels. And don't make this into a racial thing either, because I believe Jameis Winston and possibly Teddy Bridgewater have the potential to be elite quarterbacks someday. When you're talking about "potential", don't discount the mental side of the equation, the leadership side of the equation, the vision necessary to play the quarterback position, and as Gor pointed out "having a feel" for the position … possessing the right instincts to feel a pocket breaking down, reading defenses, or knowing when to throw the ball away. Those things, to me, are far more important than how quickly one can change directions while carrying the football, or how "athletic" you happen to be. Quarterbacks are the guys with a steady hand on the wheel of a boat that is trying to survive rough waters. No pun intended. This will be Jake's team next year. Get used to it.
Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college. If he's saying that we should go get guys like Peyton Manning to play QB for us, then I would agree with him.
Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college. If he's saying that we should go get guys like Peyton Manning to play QB for us, then I would agree with him.Yes, I would much rather have college Peyton than college Brees.
Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college. If he's saying that we should go get guys like Peyton Manning to play QB for us, then I would agree with him.He beat us in the Alamo a few years back.
Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college. If he's saying that we should go get guys like Peyton Manning to play QB for us, then I would agree with him.He beat us in the Alamo a few years back.
Pretty high highlight for him, I'm sureDrew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college. If he's saying that we should go get guys like Peyton Manning to play QB for us, then I would agree with him.He beat us in the Alamo a few years back.
Yes, and that was the highlight of his career.
There was a time that I remember thinking that this might be the way to go... but then I thought "Why should we model our offense on the worst rough ridin' offense in the big 12?" and then I changed my mind.You could be right.Sams should be our Boynkin next year.
It's better if we just make him a WR. For everyone. Let go, dlew.
Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college.
:ksu:Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college.
Big 10 player of the year, big 10 passing yards leader at the time, maxwell award, Conference champs and purdue's first rose bowl in 30 some years seems kind of ok.
:ksu:Drew Brees didn't accomplish crap in college.
Big 10 player of the year, big 10 passing yards leader at the time, maxwell award, Conference champs and purdue's first rose bowl in 30 some years seems kind of ok.
BODYBAG. CHECK.
That Rose Bowl team finished 8-4. GMAFB. Individual awards and stats are meaningless if you don't get the wins to back them up.
That Rose Bowl team finished 8-4. GMAFB. Individual awards and stats are meaningless if you don't get the wins to back them up.
Hey guys what do you think about Jay Cutler's college career?
nope
Hey guys what do you think about Jake Cutler's college career?
Let's talk Matt McGoingle.
actually I was thinking of Chase Keenan
Nuts Kicked thinks AJ McCarron should have won the Heisman.
Nuts Kicked thinks AJ McCarron should have won the Heisman.
No, the Heisman is not a career achievement and the Heisman committee actually does a really good job of determining who the best college football player is most of the time.
Eric rough ridin' Crouch won a Heisman. :facepalm: