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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Stevesie60 on September 17, 2013, 09:40:39 PM
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At this very second, who are the top 5 football programs? This is kind of a big deal because I can imagine Texas and USC going after the same candidate. Nebraska will probably go after them as well, but have no shot at them. So here's how'd I rank them:
1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Ohio State
4. USC
5. Florida
I think all 3 universities in Florida could easily make the top 10 because of the recruiting bed and appeal of Florida, but I gave UF the edge because they were in the SEC. Jameis Winston could easily get FSU back into the (my) top 5 by the time he's done there, and Miami will aways be an appealing job, just has had less success as of late plus the stigma of being a school that constantly cheats. What say you, goEMAW'rs?
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I'd take out USC and add Michigan
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1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. USC
4. Alabama
5. Oregon
I lowered Alabama because I think its much easier to go undefeated at OSU or USC. Oregon I put there because of resources and its also easier to go undefeated than Florida or Alabama
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To me Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Notre Dame would be the other top 10
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I would take Oregon out, because they don't have as fertile recruiting ground in-state as the others, and not the profile of Notre Dame.
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pretty good list, Bama is the only one not in a state with a great in state recruiting base so I would put them 4th
Texas
Florida
USC
Alabama
OSU
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At this very second, who are the top 5 football programs? This is kind of a big deal because I can imagine Texas and USC going after the same candidate. Nebraska will probably go after them as well, but have no shot at them. So here's how'd I rank them:
1. TexasKSU
2. AlabamaKSU
3. Ohio StateKSU
4. USCKSU
5. FloridaKSUI think all 3 universities in Florida could easily make the top 10 because of the recruiting bed and appeal of Florida, but I gave UF the edge because they were in the SEC. Jameis Winston could easily get FSU back into the (my) top 5 by the time he's done there, and Miami will aways be an appealing job, just has had less success as of late plus the stigma of being a school that constantly cheats. What say you, goEMAW'rs?
I'd take out USC and add KSU
1. TexasKSU
2. Ohio StateKSU
3. USCKSU
4. AlabamaKSU
5. OregonKSU
I lowered Alabama because I think its much easier to go undefeated at OSU or USC. Oregon I put there because of resources and its also easier to go undefeated than Florida or Alabama
To me Michigan, LSU, Oklahoma, Georgia, and Notre Dame KSU would be the other top 10
I would take Oregon out, because they don't have as fertile recruiting ground in-state as the others, and not the profile of KSU.
FYP's and Y-W. :fatty:
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Iowa State is number 1 if you want a job that you do just kinda ok and never lose fan support or get fired.
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1. Texas (Austin to Dallas Houston both under three hour drive).
2. Alabama (Tuscaloosa to Atlanta, Jackson, Montgomery, Birmingham all within three hour drive)
3. Florida (Gainesville to Orlando, Jacksonville, Tampa, and Tallahassee all within three hour drive)
4. Ohio State (Cleveland, Cincy, Pittsburgh, Dayton, Toledo, and Indy all within three hour drive)
5. USC (all of SoCal within 3 hour drive)
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1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Ohio State/Michigan
5. Notre Dame
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Iowa State is number 1 if you want a job that you do just kinda ok and never lose fan support or get fired.
You have to make a super emotional speech that goes viral every couple of years or so when you win that one big game. Need that to keep them buying in.
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1. Texas
2. Alabama
3. Florida
4. Ohio State/Michigan
5. Notre Dame
That's six.
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Iowa State is number 1 if you want a job that you do just kinda ok and never lose fan support or get fired.
You have to make a super emotional speech that goes viral every couple of years or so when you win that one big game. Need that to keep them buying in.
Don't forget good ole Eugene T. "Gene" Chizik coached there before going to Auburn and winning a MNC.
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Texas
Alabama
Notre Dame
LSU
Ohio State
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It's pretty clear K-State is 2nd after only Notre Dame
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It's pretty clear K-State is 2nd after only Notre Dame
This thread is starting to get enjoyable. :dance:
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The title says jobs the post says programs. I think the list varies slightly on which the OP means.
I think Alabama is the best program, but Texas is the best job.
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If you guys aren't going to put USC in your top 5 then I can't take you seriously.
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i think everyone has bama too high
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i think everyone has bama too high
I'm sure you're trolling, but that has crossed my mind. Those fans' expectations for their next coach are going to be way too high.
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
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1. Texas
2. Ohio State
3. USC
4. Michigan
5. Alabama
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1: UT
2: tOSU
3: 'Bama
4: Michigan
5: ND
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Have any of you listing Texas #1 actually ever lived out of the Big 12 footprint? We had this discussion last week
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28931.msg909505#msg909505
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Have any of you listing Texas #1 actually ever lived out of the Big 12 footprint? We had this discussion last week
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28931.msg909505#msg909505
Thought so.
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Have any of you listing Texas #1 actually ever lived out of the Big 12 footprint? We had this discussion last week
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28931.msg909505#msg909505
Did you get that information from the Crimson Tide Network?
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Have any of you listing Texas #1 actually ever lived out of the Big 12 footprint? We had this discussion last week
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28931.msg909505#msg909505
Did you get that information from the Crimson Tide Network?
A good coach at Texas would have their first picks out of the state and their first picks out of almost any other state. Alabama, with a coach that hasn't won 3 out of 4 NCs would not recruit like Saban is recruiting.
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1. Texas
2. Notre Dame
3. USC
4. tOSU
5. Bama/LSU
LSU has basically no in-state competition for recruits in a state that has incredible HS football.
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Michigan over USC because I think Michigan has more recruiting clout over more population than USC. USC is the premiere program in the L.A area, but Michigan is #1 or 2 in terms of prestige with recruits about anywhere in the upper Midwest and part of the east coast. Also west coast bias.
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Have any of you listing Texas #1 actually ever lived out of the Big 12 footprint? We had this discussion last week
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=28931.msg909505#msg909505
Did you get that information from the Crimson Tide Network?
A good coach at Texas would have their first picks out of the state and their first picks out of almost any other state. Alabama, with a coach that hasn't won 3 out of 4 NCs would not recruit like Saban is recruiting.
Man this just isn't true and there is no historical basis for it, like none. Texas is the choice for the amazingly rich Texas high school football factory but UT doesn't have that kind of clout outside of UT and New Mexico. They routinely lose kids in neighboring states to OU and LSU. Of all the greatest players in the history of their program, players who won a national award, only one is from outside of the state of Texas, Ricky Williams. Even their greatest coach, Darryl Royal, was from Hollis, OK, a small town on the red river.
I looked around the web for top college program rankings and UT rarely appears in the top 5. ESPN did one in 2009 & they had UT at 7 where the hell would they be now?
Texas historically has always been seen as a regional power only and they only have themselves and the SWC to blame. They didn't leave the state to play games, even the bowl game they sought the most was in Texas. These other programs like ND, USC, Michigan, and Alabama have spent decades being national programs, UT wasn't that until Mack Brown and by many respects including recruiting they still aren't.
I have no idea why so many on this website view UT as this nationally revered behemoth of a program but the west coast, upper midwest, and the southeast don't view them they same way they are viewed in the high plains. Yes they have a ton of ESPN's money, so?
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If ESPN didn't put Texas in their top 7, why do they talk about them just as much as any other program in the country? Texas doesn't need to recruit outside of Texas very often if ever, so I don't know why you're basing your claim on that. And their undergrad times the salary of some of their alumni times the amount of money people who graduated from Texas are willing to spend on football is just insane, has to be top 3 in the country (if there's a serviceable coach there). I can see you arguing them out of #1, but there's no way in hell you'd be able to argue them out of the top 3.
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If ESPN didn't put Texas in their top 7, why do they talk about them just as much as any other program in the country? Texas doesn't need to recruit outside of Texas very often if ever, so I don't know why you're basing your claim on that.
Stevesie, you know the answer to that first question. ESPN has financial incentive to talk about the horns a lot. That being said I watch CFB shows on ESPNU everyday and they certainly don't beat anyone over the head with UT coverage.
I'm basing my claim that Texas isn't a national recruiting power because they have never been one, ever. You claimed they could get their first pick of players from almost any state. This is a fairy tale, it has never happened. They don't beat Florida schools for players, they don't beat Alabama for players, they don't beat California schools, they don't beat ND andBig 10 schools. They do amazing in Texas though. I don't want to talk about them missing on Adrian Peterson, Ladanian Tomlinson and mis-evaluating Robert Griffin.
Look at this
http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3053
A couple of things I'd like to point out. People who continually discount the recruiting base that Alabama should realize that half of the top 20 are from the state of Alabama or a border state. How many of the top 20 are from Alabama, how many from Texas? I'd also like you to take notice of the players from Texas on this list now look at where they went.
Texas isn't a top 3 program and I'm not sure they ever have been, don't believe me check the lists all over the internet.
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Anyone that has Bama as #2 isn't thinking straight. They're #3 or lower.
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Having to live in Alabama might kind of suck, tho.
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Having to live in Alabama might kind of suck, tho.
Exactly why it's not #2.
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1. Texas
2. ND
3. Ohio St
4. USC
5. Bama
It's really difficult to rank these though. You could throw in programs like Mich, LSU, OU, UGA, or the Florida schools pretty easily. It makes more sense to put schools in tiers, because would someone ever leave Georgia to go coach at Alabama? Probably not... It's too much of a lateral move.
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Iowa State is number 1 if you want a job that you do just kinda ok and never lose fan support or get fired.
no coach in the history of their program has ever risen as high as "kinda ok".
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
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I would love to be the coach of the Colorado Buffaloes
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
Oregon isn't even in the top 10. They are like SMU without the national championships to show for it.
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
Oregon isn't even in the top 10. They are like SMU without the national championships to show for it.
:dubious:
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
Oregon isn't even in the top 10. They are like SMU without the national championships to show for it.
:dubious:
If Oregon is such a great job then why have their last two HC hires been career assistants and not an experienced HC from another school?
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Texas is the only program of a state that used to be its own country.
1. Notre Dame
2. Ohio State
3. Florida
4. Texas
5. Michigan
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Texas
Oregon
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
lol at putting an SEC school on your list. dumbasses.
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
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no particular order
Notre Dame
Texas
USC
tOhio State
Alabama
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First 5
Texas
Notre Dame
Michigan
Ohio St.
Alabama
Second 5
USC
OU
Florida
LSU
Oregon
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
Oregon isn't even in the top 10. They are like SMU without the national championships to show for it.
:dubious:
If Oregon is such a great job then why have their last two HC hires been career assistants and not an experienced HC from another school?
Pretty much unlimited resources and fantastic facilities, nice part of the country, and they are in the PAC-12/16/whatever.
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Florida
Texas
Alabama
Georgia
Oregon
I don't disagree with this.
Oregon isn't even in the top 10. They are like SMU without the national championships to show for it.
:dubious:
If Oregon is such a great job then why have their last two HC hires been career assistants and not an experienced HC from another school?
Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
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The main problem with the Alabama job is you have to live in Alabama.
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
Yeah. I'd pick different places and for different personal reasons, but the ranking of jobs thing always confuses me. Obviously there's tiers of jobs/programs/whatever, but there's a crazy amount of factors that are going to make individuals pick different schools within the tiers or even in a different tier in a unique circumstance.
If I was an elite coach, I might pick K-State and force Currie out after whippin' ass at football.
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The main problem with the Alabama job is you have to live in Alabama.
also if you don't whip ass for one season you get fired. HE'S NOT GETTIN' THE JOB DONE PAWWWL!
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
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The main problem with the Alabama job is you have to live in Alabama.
also if you don't whip ass for one season you get fired. HE'S NOT GETTIN' THE JOB DONE PAWWWL!
Winners don't care about this, actually winners thrive off of this crap. Losers consider coaching failure and the repercussions.
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Yeah a black non-midwesterner might want to be in BFracistE Alabama rather than horribly caucasian mountainous wonderland known as Boulder
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
Or just list where you (Iowan) would want to coach. And everyone else can list where they want to coach.
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The main problem with the Alabama job is you have to live in Alabama.
also if you don't whip ass for one season you get fired. HE'S NOT GETTIN' THE JOB DONE PAWWWL!
Winners don't care about this, actually winners thrive off of this crap.
Winners are dumbasses then.
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The main problem with the Alabama job is you have to live in Alabama.
also if you don't whip ass for one season you get fired. HE'S NOT GETTIN' THE JOB DONE PAWWWL!
Winners don't care about this, actually winners thrive off of this crap.
Winners are dumbasses then.
You make job/career decisions based on failure? I'm sure you don't.
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
Or just list where you (Iowan) would want to coach. And everyone else can list where they want to coach.
I was legitimately confused with the responses of the thread until I realized what the responses actually were, I'm good now.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got exactly who they wanted, there was no search.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got exactly who they wanted, there was no search.
Right. Because Helfrich was the best solution for the 2013 and probably 2014 teams. Was he the best long term solution? Who knows...
But if Oregon were to call up someone like Brady Hoch, Urban Meyer, or Kevin Sumlin, what would have happened? Highly doubt any of those guys are leaving their current job for Eugene. I'm not convinced they could even steal away someone like Steve Sarkisian from UW...
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Texas
Oregon
Ohio State
Michigan
Oklahoma
lol at putting an SEC school on your list. dumbasses.
So winning MNC's doesn't equate to being a good coaching job? Is that because of the expectations of those coaches to be able to win MNC's? I'm curious, and maybe even a dumbass, because SEC schools really support their football program/coach.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got exactly who they wanted, there was no search.
Right. Because Helfrich was the best solution for the 2013 and probably 2014 teams. Was he the best long term solution? Who knows...
But if Oregon were to call up someone like Brady Hoch, Urban Meyer, or Kevin Sumlin, what would have happened? Highly doubt any of those guys are leaving their current job for Eugene. I'm not convinced they could even steal away someone like Steve Sarkisian from UW...
if they called kevin sumlin he would walk away from aTm mid season and do the crotch grab/bird flip combo on the tarmac.
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Oregon must be elite for Squawstin "Quackstin" Beak to leave his beloved squawks. Top 5 beat writer job?
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Oregon will never be a top 5 job because of their location. I don't think they even belong in the top 10.
I noticed everyone picking Ohio State over Michigan and Notre Dame. IMO they are all basically equal.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
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if they called kevin sumlin he would walk away from aTm mid season and do the crotch grab/bird flip combo on the tarmac.
:lol:
Sumlin makes $3m per year... Helfrich makes just over half of that. Maybe Oregon only hired MH because he was cheap? :dunno:
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Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
This reminds me of another school. And the school I am referring to is my favorite school: ksu.
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I wouldn't have put USC in the Top 5 a couple of years ago, but since they built the McKay Center they are certainly Top 5 worthy.
UCLA doesn't even have full length practice fields. They recruit and prosper just on name and location (I guess on that note, maybe they are Top 5 worthy). It's scary to think what they might do if they ever emulate the McKay Center (but the old Pac guard is a lot like the old Big 10 guard, slow on the facilities uptake until very recently. Michigan's player facilities blew until the last few years, they couldn't even get the whole team into their old dressing room).
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The fact that they were able to hire Saban away from the NFL should tell you it is not a crap job.
And I believe Bama fans are truly the craziest and most passionate in the country. Even when Auburn won the national title, you'd see more Bama gear 4 hours from Tuscaloosa than you would anywhere in Austin. They are absolutely insane.
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Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
This reminds me of another school. And the school I am referring to is my favorite school: ksu.
Chip was at Oregon for all of 2 seasons before becoming the HC... He was brought in as a HCIW.
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All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
What would Tuscaloosa have that Austin doesn't?
I think I see your point with the typical college town outside of the southeastern US but not a big city like Austin.
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What Oregon has done the last the last 7 seasons isn't much different than K-State's 7 year run from 97-03...
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I wouldn't have put USC in the Top 5 a couple of years ago, but since they built the McKay Center they are certainly Top 5 worthy.
UCLA doesn't even have full length practice fields. They recruit and prosper just on name and location (I guess on that note, maybe they are Top 5 worthy). It's scary to think what they might do if they ever emulate the McKay Center (but the old Pac guard is a lot like the old Big 10 guard, slow on the facilities uptake until very recently. Michigan's player facilities blew until the last few years, they couldn't even get the whole team into their old dressing room).
I would argue the location of UCLA and USC hold them back more than helps them. Look at what a 600 mile radius from Tuscaloosa reaches compared to LA:
http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=33.21111647241685&clng=-87.5665283203125&r=968.5065194468734&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00
http://www.freemaptools.com/radius-around-point.htm?clat=33.97832831521203&clng=-118.1854248046875&r=971.1262275536017&lc=FFFFFF&lw=1&fc=00FF00
I don't know what the population difference is, but I'm guessing it's huge and outweighs the advantage of climate and urban-ness of LA.
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That might very well be true cMichiCat, however the density of hardcore football schools is greater in the South, than it is on the West Coast. In the South of you have the confluence of 2 major conferences, and if you expand the South into Texas, you have 3 major conferences.
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That might very well be true cMichiCat, however the density of hardcore football schools is greater in the South, than it is on the West Coast. In the South of you have the confluence of 2 major conferences, and if you expand the South into Texas, you have 3 major conferences.
True, I think it just gives the schools in the south far more possibilities.
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Texas, Georgia, LSU and OSU have the advantage of being unchallenged flagship schools in states that produce a large number of recruits. They are also schools that will apply whatever resources needed to win. The Michigan's and UCLA's of the world cannot say that.
That said, Alabama has outperformed all of them, especially the two they have the most in common with - Georgia and LSU - despite having a smaller home recruiting base/media market just like OU has outperformed Texas despite a similar resource gap. There is something about places where winning is everything like Norman and Tuscaloosa.
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MIR has some good points re: Texas, yet he hasn't posted his list.
Let's hear it MIR, top 5 coaching jobs, let's say based on which would have the biggest pool of coaches to hire out of.
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"owning a state" is extremely overrated. regions are what matters. Also, Georgia Tech is as much of a contender for dominance as Michigan.
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
OSU
LSU
UT
BAMA
USC
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Texas, Georgia, LSU and OSU have the advantage of being unchallenged flagship schools in states that produce a large number of recruits. They are also schools that will apply whatever resources needed to win. The Michigan's and UCLA's of the world cannot say that.
That said, Alabama has outperformed all of them, especially the two they have the most in common with - Georgia and LSU - despite having a smaller home recruiting base/media market just like OU has outperformed Texas despite a similar resource gap. There is something about places where winning is everything like Norman and Tuscaloosa.
From a resources perspective, Michigan pretty much doesn't take a back seat to anyone. Since they woke up one day about 5 or 6 years ago and realized they were behind the curve on facilities, they've spent about $300 million dollars on football facilities. UCLA, well, not so much. Very weird situation out there on that in the context of the rest of major college football.
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
The population is less than half of Michigan's. And Michigan has fewer peers in their region compared to LSU. And like dax said, they pretty much have more money than anyone.
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this is more of a personal list.
1. Texas (money, living in Austin, also money)
2. Miami (beach)
3. UCLA (more elite version of USC)
4. Oregon (because Phil)
5. Colorado (mountains)
All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
wait. so this is a list of what the best programs are? i thought it was a list of top 5 football jobs.
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
The population is less than half of Michigan's. And Michigan has fewer peers in their region compared to LSU. And like dax said, they pretty much have more money than anyone.
You know total population isn't the most important factor. Midwest/northern states don't produce the per capita football talent that southern/southeastern states do generally speaking. Have a look see:
Meatchicken: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289): 20 total, 5 four *, rest three *
Weesyana: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313): 40 total, 3 five *, 12 four *, rest three *
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
The population is less than half of Michigan's. And Michigan has fewer peers in their region compared to LSU. And like dax said, they pretty much have more money than anyone.
You know total population isn't the most important factor. Midwest/northern states don't produce the per capita football talent that southern/southeastern states do generally speaking. Have a look see:
Meatchicken: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289): 20 total, 5 four *, rest three *
Weesyana: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313): 40 total, 3 five *, 12 four *, rest three *
:cheers:
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What Oregon has done the last the last 7 seasons isn't much different than K-State's 7 year run from 97-03...
Nearly as equally shitty beforehand also.
Phil Knight donates equally huge bucks to Stanford as Oregon. Oregon just begs harder and spends like a drunken sailor.
Flash in the Pan program. I don't see Mark Helfrich sustaining chip kelly's success.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
The population is less than half of Michigan's. And Michigan has fewer peers in their region compared to LSU. And like dax said, they pretty much have more money than anyone.
You know total population isn't the most important factor. Midwest/northern states don't produce the per capita football talent that southern/southeastern states do generally speaking. Have a look see:
Meatchicken: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289): 20 total, 5 four *, rest three *
Weesyana: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313): 40 total, 3 five *, 12 four *, rest three *
True, yet Michigan beat LSU in Rivals recruiting rankings the last two seasons despite having awkward sloppy looking Brady Hoke at the helm. :ck:
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
There is 4 four stars in Oregon and Washington combined......
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
There is 4 four stars in Oregon and Washington combined......
Oregon's best commitment last year was a 5-star running back out of Beaverton, OR. This year may be a down year, but on average, there are quite a few good athletes that come out of the Pacific Northwest.
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The PNW has some decent recruits, but you can't build a program of recruits within driving distance like you can with schools back east, and there are 6 million more people in the LA metro than in Oregon and Washington combined. They aren't a top 10 job, and probably never will be.
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On the owning a state and being in a great region. See LSU.
They are just as rabid of football fans down at LSU and there is tons of talent coming out of that state. See SAMs.
The population is less than half of Michigan's. And Michigan has fewer peers in their region compared to LSU. And like dax said, they pretty much have more money than anyone.
You know total population isn't the most important factor. Midwest/northern states don't produce the per capita football talent that southern/southeastern states do generally speaking. Have a look see:
Meatchicken: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3289): 20 total, 5 four *, rest three *
Weesyana: http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313 (http://sports.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/recruiting/rankings/rank-3313): 40 total, 3 five *, 12 four *, rest three *
True, yet Michigan beat LSU in Rivals recruiting rankings the last two seasons despite having awkward sloppy looking Brady Hoke at the helm. :ck:
Les has already answered the LSU - Michigan debate
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if the southern 3/4 quarters of the united states were to flood, then Oregon immediately becomes a top 5 job and you fools will look like complete idiots. then what?
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if the southern 3/4 quarters of the united states were to flood, then Oregon immediately becomes a top 5 job and you fools will look like complete idiots. then what?
It's true
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Les has already answered the LSU - Michigan debate
UM got Fitz'd
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Oklahoma
Alabama
LSU
Ohio State
Florida
(in no particular order)
The talent is in the South, and being able to own Ohio for OSU is big, as well as all the recent success of these schools put them as the top 5 programs in the Nation. They've also won basically all the National Titles recently. USC would be in the next tier with Michigan, FSU, Texas, Notre Dame.
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
There is 4 four stars in Oregon and Washington combined......
Oregon's best commitment last year was a 5-star running back out of Beaverton, OR. This year may be a down year, but on average, there are quite a few good athletes that come out of the Pacific Northwest.
You have lost your mind. Oregon has some of the worst HS football in the nation, along with Kansas. Only a few east coast states are worse.
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Les has already answered the LSU - Michigan debate
UM got Fitz'd
shouldn't it be Herbie'd?
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
There is 4 four stars in Oregon and Washington combined......
Oregon's best commitment last year was a 5-star running back out of Beaverton, OR. This year may be a down year, but on average, there are quite a few good athletes that come out of the Pacific Northwest.
You have lost your mind. Oregon has some of the worst HS football in the nation, along with Kansas. Only a few east coast states are worse.
I didn't say Oregon high school football was great... all I said was that the Pacific NW produced some pretty good athletes. For whatever apparent reason, you have this weird, personal hatred towards the state of Oregon, and it really creeps me out.
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Oklahoma
Alabama
LSU
Ohio State
Florida
(in no particular order)
The talent is in the South, and being able to own Ohio for OSU is big, as well as all the recent success of these schools put them as the top 5 programs in the Nation. They've also won basically all the National Titles recently. USC would be in the next tier with Michigan, FSU, Texas, Notre Dame.
Stop it dumb person.
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All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
What would Tuscaloosa have that Austin doesn't?
I think I see your point with the typical college town outside of the southeastern US but not a big city like Austin.
Black people
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MIR has some good points re: Texas, yet he hasn't posted his list.
Let's hear it MIR, top 5 coaching jobs, let's say based on which would have the biggest pool of coaches to hire out of.
Do you want my opinion of the top 5 jobs or the top 5 places I would go because the latter seems to be the tenor of this thread?
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Oklahoma
Alabama
LSU
Ohio State
Florida
(in no particular order)
The talent is in the South, and being able to own Ohio for OSU is big, as well as all the recent success of these schools put them as the top 5 programs in the Nation. They've also won basically all the National Titles recently. USC would be in the next tier with Michigan, FSU, Texas, Notre Dame.
So looking at this as if I were Nick Saban's agent and I could send my client anywhere these are the five programs I feel like are the easiest to win at. I somewhat agree with Michicat's assessment of Michigan, OSU, and ND being interchangeable, the biggest difference is that you can get any kid into OSU without headache, scrutiny, and consternation.
If I were a coach and I were looking for cool and comfortable places to coach my list would have UT on it and real close to the top too.
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UCLA
USC
STANFORD
CAL
UCSD
/thread
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Most built in advantages, I would say:
Alabama
USC
Texas
Ohio State
Florida
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Anyone who made a suggestion outside the state of California is stupid. A lot of you are stupid.
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Anyone who made a suggestion outside the state of California is stupid. A lot of you are stupid.
why did you put UCSD above SDSU?
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Anyone who made a suggestion outside the state of California is stupid. A lot of you are stupid.
why did you put UCSD above SDSU?
:confused:
It's my list man. I meant to put sdsu tho.
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This is the top five after ksu right?
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MIR has some good points re: Texas, yet he hasn't posted his list.
Let's hear it MIR, top 5 coaching jobs, let's say based on which would have the biggest pool of coaches to hire out of.
Do you want my opinion of the top 5 jobs or the top 5 places I would go because the latter seems to be the tenor of this thread?
I kinda want to get greedy and ask for both
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All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
What would Tuscaloosa have that Austin doesn't?
I think I see your point with the typical college town outside of the southeastern US but not a big city like Austin.
Black people
UCLA has black people and everything else a person could want. It should be the undisputed #1.
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MIR has some good points re: Texas, yet he hasn't posted his list.
Let's hear it MIR, top 5 coaching jobs, let's say based on which would have the biggest pool of coaches to hire out of.
Do you want my opinion of the top 5 jobs or the top 5 places I would go because the latter seems to be the tenor of this thread?
I kinda want to get greedy and ask for both
Well I gave you my top 5 programs, where I would go would be hard because, personally, I wouldn't willingly move anywhere in Florida, Baton Rouge, Tuscaloosa, Norman, South Bend, Columbus, Ann Arbor, or Los Angeles (LA is great but my greatest fear is the big one). Then again in my line of work I willingly and enthusiastically moved to Boone, Iowa so I'm sure I would be fine living in these shitty college locales. Austin is a great town, but the historical greatness of their football program is grossly overrated.
Sidenote, media who trash towns like Manhattan, Stillwater, Ames, Corvallis, etc are hilarious. Have you guys ever seen South Bend, Columbus, Baton Rouge? GROSS even when the weather is nice in these places, just gross.
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Norman and South Bend are unbelievably awful.
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All of these lists are personal lists, good for you for actually admitting it. For elite college football players living in Tuscaloosa, Alabama or anywhere in SEC country has draws that Austin doesn't. I'm now assuming that these lists are lists of where a white midwesterner would want to coach as opposed to what the best programs are.
What would Tuscaloosa have that Austin doesn't?
I think I see your point with the typical college town outside of the southeastern US but not a big city like Austin.
Black people
UCLA has black people and everything else a person could want. It should be the undisputed #1.
UCLA has minorities, but they certainly aren't black.
More asians than you can shake a stick at.
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More asians than you can shake a stick at.
why would you do this?
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Los Angeles (LA is great but my greatest fear is the big one).
Would you have to do more public speaking or flying or seeing snakes in LA? I don't get it :dunno:
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Also, what other jobs were open when the Oregon job was too?
What does this have to do with anything? If it really is a top 5 job like you suggest, then they should be able to go after anybody they want.
They got who they wanted. Oregon wanted to keep Chip Kelly's system in place and run the same type of offense. Their new coach is picking right up where Kelly left off, and they're looking like a national title contender again.
Oregon has had the same coaching staff for the last 25 years, that is the only reason for their continued success. If the Job opened today it would be a bad Job to take, you're not in a recruit rich area and will have unreal expectations for winning.
Texas right now will be the best Job opening in the last 25 years and USC is not far behind. Expectations for those programs in the near future are way down. Alabama is also a crap job, you don't want to follow Sabin.
The Pacific Northwest has some really good football talent, especially in the Seattle metro area. The state of Oregon has some really good athletes as well, plus Oregon is able to get the best of the best from states like California and Hawaii. It's a top tier program right now, without a doubt. The Nike money, combined with the facilities and the playing style, make it an attractive program for just about anyone.
There is 4 four stars in Oregon and Washington combined......
Oregon's best commitment last year was a 5-star running back out of Beaverton, OR. This year may be a down year, but on average, there are quite a few good athletes that come out of the Pacific Northwest.
You have lost your mind. Oregon has some of the worst HS football in the nation, along with Kansas. Only a few east coast states are worse.
I didn't say Oregon high school football was great... all I said was that the Pacific NW produced some pretty good athletes. For whatever apparent reason, you have this weird, personal hatred towards the state of Oregon, and it really creeps me out.
That actually creeps you out?
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Los Angeles (LA is great but my greatest fear is the big one).
Would you have to do more public speaking or flying or seeing snakes in LA? I don't get it :dunno:
Sorry, "The Big One."
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/10/local/la-me-san-andreas-20101010
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Los Angeles (LA is great but my greatest fear is the big one).
Would you have to do more public speaking or flying or seeing snakes in LA? I don't get it :dunno:
Sorry, "The Big One."
http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct/10/local/la-me-san-andreas-20101010
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Oh yeah I forgot about that. Public speaking is worse so I think probably every coaching position is overrated to me personally