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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on May 16, 2013, 12:20:29 PM
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The guy is a super bowl winner with more football knowledge than the entire KU fanbase. Plus, he's only had one season. The guy needs a minimum of 7 years to fully turn this ship. Even if they don't win a lot this season the writing is on the wall. They were much more competitive and I see that trend continuing. He's getting the talent, he's instilling winning into the program and he's making huge headways on getting something done with the stadium (according to sources on KU boards). KU fans need to realize that you don't just start winning day one when taking over that dumpster fire Turner Gill left. There is an instilled attitude of loseryness amongst the Gill players that Charlie is going to have to work out of them.
7 years minimum.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
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Mack Brown is an underachiever. Bobby Stoops is a crybaby. Mike Gundy is a punchline. The list goes on....
Charlie Weis is one of the few coaches who give this conference any shred of credibility. The 'Hawks HAVE to let him get his players in there before judging him. The man is an offensive GENIUS, but he stepped into a damn tough situation(Gill is Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)). Five to seven more years of flashing his rings and getting some stud-ass recruits and he will make KU football more than respectable.
It's a heavy load, but Charlie has the shoulders to carry that program back from the depths.
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Look at his recruiting. He knows he needs a Juco transfusion in the short term but also is able to land legit prep talent. Kids respond to the past achievements of this staff. We've seen what he can do when he has the talent (and let's be frank, New England has always been more system than talent). Personally, I think this is great for state of Kansas in terms of football profile. Say what you want about his Notre Dame years, but that's an impossible job and they won with his players last year. Weis is Mangino minus the personality issues plus an NFL pedigree.
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KU football fans will never truly believe they have a chance until LHCBS dies.
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The lashing out in response to the Wiggins commitment has been top notch, guys. Keep it up.
:thumbsup:
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i like weis, a lot. i had heard a lot of negative things about him when he came to ku but he comes off as a really likable guy.
in interviews he seems up front and honest. i don't know if he's a good coach or not, though his coach's show is great. i loved watching it last fall. he talks crap on everything when given the opportunity.
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I don't know steve dave, if Harbaugh is knocking down your door begging you to hire him, you tell Charlie to hit the road.
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The guy is a super bowl winner with more football knowledge than the entire KU fanbase. Plus, he's only had one season. The guy needs a minimum of 7 years to fully turn this ship. Even if they don't win a lot this season the writing is on the wall. They were much more competitive and I see that trend continuing. He's getting the talent, he's instilling winning into the program and he's making huge headways on getting something done with the stadium (according to sources on KU boards). KU fans need to realize that you don't just start winning day one when taking over that dumpster fire Turner Gill left. There is an instilled attitude of loseryness amongst the Gill players that Charlie is going to have to work out of them.
7 years minimum.
Yes, very true; that's why ole Charlie has the team practice at celebrating winning so they'll be ready when the time comes. :crossfingers:
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
He's as healthy as a horse, but charlie is a horse. :lol:
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Weis turned Matt Cassel into a pro bowler. 'Nough said!
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
:lol:
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
I said the same thing when Snyder came back. Then, after only 2 years of mediocrity, lightning struck in the form of Collin Klein. Weis just needs to find his Klein. Could it be Heaps? Stay tuned.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
I said the same thing when Snyder came back. Then, after only 2 years of mediocrity, lightning struck in the form of Collin Klein. Weis just needs to find his Klein. Could it be Heaps? Stay tuned.
I've heard rumblings that Snyder might be ready to retire in 2-3 years.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
I said the same thing when Snyder came back. Then, after only 2 years of mediocrity, lightning struck in the form of Collin Klein. Weis just needs to find his Klein. Could it be Heaps? Stay tuned.
I've heard rumblings that Snyder might be ready to retire in 2-3 years.
I am hearing those same grumblings. It will be a sad day when it happens, but Sean has already been running things for the past 2 years, which have been highly successful. We just need him to keep recruiting studs like Bill has been doing and I think we will be just fine.
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I could see KU not renewing charlies contract after the 5 years is up even after he turns it around hence ku will have let its best two coaches go
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i love weis. i love him so much that i think he would make a fine part of LHOFHCBS's staff in LHOFHCBS final few seasons as coach of the wildcats.. Chaz as an OC (HCIW?!?) would be a "weis" idea. imHo.
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KU 2025
KU will be recognized nationally as a Top 50 football program
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
I said the same thing when Snyder came back. Then, after only 2 years of mediocrity, lightning struck in the form of Collin Klein. Weis just needs to find his Klein. Could it be Heaps? Stay tuned.
I've heard rumblings that Snyder might be ready to retire in 2-3 years.
I am hearing those same grumblings. It will be a sad day when it happens, but Sean has already been running things for the past 2 years, which have been highly successful. We just need him to keep recruiting studs like Bill has been doing and I think we will be just fine.
It's pretty obvious that the football program at KSU doesn't rebuild, it reloads. 10 win seasons are the expectation. Tradition doesn't graduate (and go party in the NFL like most of our players).
I think what SD is missing is that Weiss is all about DISCIPLINE. He demands it of himself, and the players in Lawrence are learning he will hold them to his high standards. Is it tough? Yeah, I bet it is after Gill let the inmates run the asylum (into the ground) but I know Weiss won't ask those players to do anything he won't do himself. And they gotta respect that crap big time.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
One in the same
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One in the same
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Is it just me, or do both of those coaches actually look better after the hair swap?
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
One in the same
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:lol:
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It's Chill Weiser and Buck Sneis.
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Bill with Charlie's hair is even more :love: than Gundy, maybe even Kliff!
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Bill with Charlie's hair is even more :love: than Gundy, maybe even Kliff!
What if Bill wore a wig? Just for one game, to throw everyone. That would be fantastic.
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I was at a meeting at the Wichita Marriot today and there was a KU booster luncheon next door. Well after the lunch was over I passed Charlie Weis walking down the hall with his cane. He was by himself with NOBODY else around and I mean NONE.
He looked so pathetic and forlorn I actually told him I wished him luck this year. Didn't say if I meant good or bad. He looks pretty tough.
I talked to the lady running registration and she said they were looking for improvement this year as it couldn't get much worse. True enough.
Go Cats!!
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One in the same
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Is it just me, or do both of those coaches actually look better after the hair swap?
Both look better, but that doesn't make that 'shop any less disturbing.
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I respect that Charlie will NOT take any shortcuts. The process is done the right way. No JUCOs, no gimmicks, just hard work and self discipline. Will it take a bit logner? 7-9 years? Yes, but the payoff of doing it the right way is more than worth it.
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Chuck doesn't need a juco infusion, he needs a mean streak infusion. that sort of cultural change doesn't just happen overnight. Juco's can't shape a team. Chuck needs time to graduate all of the Turner players and get his own mean streakers in there for a good 4 or 5 yrs to really establish that. Then, add some juco's and boom! Orange Bowl 2019!
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Chuck doesn't need a juco infusion, he needs a mean streak infusion. that sort of cultural change doesn't just happen overnight. Juco's can't shape a team. Chuck needs time to graduate all of the Turner players and get his own mean streakers in there for a good 4 or 5 yrs to really establish that. Then, add some juco's and boom! Orange Bowl 2019!
I doubt the Orange Bowl will exist in 2019.
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Chuck doesn't need a juco infusion, he needs a mean streak infusion. that sort of cultural change doesn't just happen overnight. Juco's can't shape a team. Chuck needs time to graduate all of the Turner players and get his own mean streakers in there for a good 4 or 5 yrs to really establish that. Then, add some juco's and boom! Orange Bowl 2019!
I doubt the Orange Bowl will exist in 2019.
WhatevsNonBCSNCBowlExists 2019!
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Chuck doesn't need a juco infusion, he needs a mean streak infusion. that sort of cultural change doesn't just happen overnight. Juco's can't shape a team. Chuck needs time to graduate all of the Turner players and get his own mean streakers in there for a good 4 or 5 yrs to really establish that. Then, add some juco's and boom! Orange Bowl 2019!
I doubt the Orange Bowl will exist in 2019.
WhatevsNonBCSNCBowlExists 2019!
WhateverNewClassofBowlThatMakesBCSBowlWinsPud 2019!
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It's Chill Weiser and Buck Sneis.
I kinda like Barlie Sneis, sounds like Barney Fife.
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I was at a meeting at the Wichita Marriot today and there was a KU booster luncheon next door. Well after the lunch was over I passed Charlie Weis walking down the hall with his cane. He was by himself with NOBODY else around and I mean NONE.
He looked so pathetic and forlorn I actually told him I wished him luck this year. Didn't say if I meant good or bad. He looks pretty tough.
I talked to the lady running registration and she said they were looking for improvement this year as it couldn't get much worse. True enough.
Go Cats!!
Lies, lies, and more lies. Weis doesn't use a cane anymore after his hip surgery.
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Everyone has bad days, Beems. Especially when they spend their time resolving symptoms and not problems. Maybe one of the reasons he looked down was that he was upset that he was back on his cane after going through what he did to get his hip replaced.
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
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I can't speak for everyone in this thread, but I can assure you that nothing of mine is tongue and cheek.
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Beems, even you have to agree that that ol' Snyder hair looks pretty good on Chuck, and vice versa.
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Beems, even you have to agree that that ol' Snyder hair looks pretty good on Chuck, and vice versa.
Oh, no doubt. Easily the best thing I've seen on the football board in quite some time.
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Beems, even you have to agree that that ol' Snyder hair looks pretty good on Chuck, and vice versa.
Oh, no doubt. Easily the best thing I've seen on the football board in quite some time.
IT's football, you are bound to be bitterly disappointed.
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
:lol:
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
God dammit you have to tell us what we are mad at. First it's wiggins now its recruiting, this crap is hard to keep up with
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I was at a meeting at the Wichita Marriot today and there was a KU booster luncheon next door. Well after the lunch was over I passed Charlie Weis walking down the hall with his cane. He was by himself with NOBODY else around and I mean NONE.
He looked so pathetic and forlorn I actually told him I wished him luck this year. Didn't say if I meant good or bad. He looks pretty tough.
I talked to the lady running registration and she said they were looking for improvement this year as it couldn't get much worse. True enough.
Go Cats!!
Lies, lies, and more lies. Weis doesn't use a cane anymore after his hip surgery.
Beams, sometimes it just helps to admit the truth and move on. Nobody is saying that Charlie's lack of functional legs has anything to do with his amazing coaching and recruiting ability.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
I think it's safe to say that LHCBS will outlive Weis by at least a decade. :bill: He understands portion control.
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Look, Weiss is a machine who commits to get things done and is always in for the long haul. He will show undying loyalty and stick up for his guys to the very, very end. I expect the school to do the same, despite the outward appearances of a program that has landed at the bottom of the Mariana Trench.
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Look, Weiss is a machine
Only partly. A few more joint replacements and he will be full RoboCop level of machine.
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My point is, he is committed to KU football and when he commits, he NEVER gives up.
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It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.
I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans. Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.
I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.
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It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.
I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans. Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.
I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.
Makes sense. No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.
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It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.
I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans. Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.
I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.
Makes sense. No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.
So true, I mean if someone would have come to me in 2007 and said, "Hey Dax, you guys can win the 2008 Orange Bowl, but for the forseeable future after that, the K-State program will become the laughing stock of major conference football, surpassing a 3 year low in conference game win % not seen since the Toilet Bowl days of the mid to late 80's." I'd have told that deal maker to sign me up, because I would know that while K-State was in the midst of taking the program off the road, into the woods and setting it on fire I could slam that 2008 Orange Bowl into everyone's fat face. So what if we lose 20 straight conference games, 2008 Orange Bowl baby!!
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It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.
I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans. Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.
I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.
Makes sense. No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.
So true, I mean if someone would have come to me in 2007 and said, "Hey Dax, you guys can win the 2008 Orange Bowl, but for the forseeable future after that, the K-State program will become the laughing stock of major conference football, surpassing a 3 year low in conference game win % not seen since the Toilet Bowl days of the mid to late 80's." I'd have told that deal maker to sign me up, because I would know that while K-State was in the midst of taking to the program off the road, into the woods and setting it on fire I could slam that 2008 Orange Bowl into everyone's fat face. So what if we lose 20 straight conference games, 2008 Orange Bowl baby!!
I'd want to know when the BCS would die and Therefore the win meant nothing more than any FCS or other bowl win. If you said, "5 years" I'd have to think a bit longer. That's a pretty long stretch of being a joke in the most important sport there is in college.
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How long did it take ku fans to forget Bowl Series Alliance? If you mention KSU won one or two of those, your get a blank stare in response.
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How long did it take ku fans to forget Bowl Series Alliance? If you mention KSU won one or two of those, your get a blank stare in response.
As long as it will take everyone to forget the BCS.
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This KU Fan understands Charlie's potential! :thumbsup:
You dont know anything about Coach Weis. You are absolutely a fool and delusional if you dont think Charlie Weis and staff aren't going to turn this thing around. I am not saying we are going to be the best team in the conference next year and for as long as he is here but what I am saying is just like Coach Weis said..... it wont be a matter of making it to a bowl. It will be a matter of which bowl are we going too. Teams wont enjoy playing us.
Next year we have a great opportunity to right the ship. A few things need to happen at a couple positions but in all honesty... we expect those things to "happen" and they should happen.
Coach Weis is a competitor. He also has a world of knowledge and a chip on his shoulder. trust me.... right now in Lawrence.... It's either you buy in to what Coach Weis and staff are selling or you GTFO because there is no place for you. Things are changing for the better for Kansas football..... it's really just a matter of time and a matter of who wants to buy in.
Like Coach Weis said in his "Building the program promo"..... When we get enough guys in here who are willing to take on a challenge and are willing to do something special, we're gonna do something special.
I cant tell you how many we will win next season but what I can tell you is the program is being run by the exact man it needs to be run by and the direction of the program is on the course it needs to be on. It's going to be very fun and special when we break through.
The man has a chip on his shoulder...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!
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...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!
its coming!
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...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!
its coming!
:D
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:lol: That's where KCSF has been.
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
:sdeek:
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
:sdeek:
terrible use of grammar. :KUgrad:
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Beems, we are on your side here. Read the thread.
It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.
:sdeek:
It's called menudo. Don't get near it. :barf:
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Charlie Weis is one of the few coaches who give this conference any shred of credibility.
Yet outside of his first two years of head coaching Notre Dame with Ty Willingham teams, Charlie Weiss went 3-9, 7-6 and 6-6 before last year. His win-loss record as a Div I head coach to date is 36-38. There are some Coordinators that are not meant to be Head Coaches, and Weiss has always shown that to me. But I do not expect them to finish in last place next season.
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Charlie Weis is one of the few coaches who give this conference any shred of credibility.
Yet outside of his first two years of head coaching Notre Dame with Ty Willingham teams, Charlie Weiss went 3-9, 7-6 and 6-6 before last year. His win-loss record as a Div I head coach to date is 36-38. There are some Coordinators that are not meant to be Head Coaches, and Weiss has always shown that to me. But I do not expect them to finish in last place next season.
Where do you expect them to finish and who will be last? :excited:
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I think Weis just needs to hire Willingham as his team GM. He should just completely remove himself from every aspect of recruiting and let Willingham build him a team. He would be able to coach Ty's boys to the BCS in no time.
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Judging by beem's threads, we've been out recruited for about 10 years now. I really just can't get myself to give a crap anymore
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
Translate?
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Beems, I'm sorry your parents didn't pay any attention to you as a child. That had to of sucked. I hope your obsession with coming on here trying to get validation makes you feel better at night.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.
It's happening again right now. Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.
It's happening again right now. Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.
Where else is there for ku to go, you can't get any more shitty than the already are, literally surpassing Toilet Bowl era numbers in conference game futility.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.
It's happening again right now. Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.
I didn't realize they are planning to set up divisions to allow KU to only play 1 ranked team to lose to in order to be the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.
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I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's. Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl. History repeats itself, I guess.
The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.
It's happening again right now. Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.
Where else is there for ku to go, you can't get any more shitty than the already are, literally surpassing Toilet Bowl era numbers in conference game futility.
KU could go 0-12 next season and continue the losing. I just don't really expect that to happen. Maybe I should. We'll have to wait and see, I guess. As for futility U, KU isn't even close to as bad as K-State was back in the 1980's. That's a personal delusion that you're starting to spread to the rest of the board.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1068750/1/index.htm (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1068750/1/index.htm)
There is only one school in the nation that has lost 500 games," says LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State's new football coach. "This is it, and I get to coach it. "Snyder smiles. Sort of. He is the fourth coach in five years to be given the opportunity, the previous three having been bloodied beyond recognition. Since World War II not one of K-State's 11 coaches has gone on to a better coaching job. "This has been a real career stopper," says the school's athletic director, Steve Miller.
Last November, when Miller hired Snyder away from Iowa, where he was the offensive coordinator, Miller told him, "Kansas State is flat on its back. You may have heard it's one of the toughest jobs in the country. It's not. It's the toughest." How tough? Well, not a single Wildcat was drafted this year by the NFL. When it comes to college football, nobody does it worse than Kansas State. After 93 years of trying to play the game, the Wildcats' record is 299-509-41, dead last among the 106 schools in Division I-A. Next worst is Wake Forest, which has won 308 games and lost 451 over six fewer years of trying. State has been looking for its 300th win since Oct. 18, 1986; the Wildcats have failed 27 straight times, the longest nonwinning streak in the land (they forged a 17-17 tie with Kansas in 1987). K-State publicist Kenny Mossman says, "We may not win many games but we are fun to watch." Actually, the word is funny.
For example, after State went 0-10-1 in 1987, then coach Stan Parrish promised, "I will not let it happen again. That wasn't me." It didn't, and it wasn't. In '88 the team was 0-11. The Wildcats' best 10-year stretch ever was 1905-14, when they went 56-27-3. Since World War II their most successful decade has been 1968-77; their record during that time was 38-70. Mindful of that, Snyder told his battered players soon after he arrived last winter at the Manhattan campus, "Any loss is not the end of the world. If it was, you guys would have been pushing up daisies with your toes a long time ago." Privately Snyder says, "These kids expect so little of themselves now. They came here hoping for so much, and they have gotten so little. That's bad, because if you don't succeed at what you think is important, then it becomes less important."
And so it is that, according to an NCAA statistical study for the period between 1946 and the present, Kansas State ranks last in the nation in scoring offense and last in scoring defense, and since 1954, last in total offense. Perhaps as a result, it is also last in the hearts of most of its students (in 1988 only 2,700 of an enrollment of 19,301 bought season tickets) and, worst of all, last in the minds of the Wildcats. "Maybe," says junior defensive back Danny Needham, "the desire has been lost."
K-State was literally so bad that you guys are still butthurt about it 'til this day.
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ku has lost 20 consecutive conference games, and 28 out of the last 34. ku has been outscored over that stretch by nearly a 3:1 margin in conference play. That's literally at Bob Valasente era levels of futility. In fact it's even worse when you consider that college has evolved to where it is and schools spend so much more money on it now.
There were two teams playing in the Toilet Bowl in '88 and one of them was named ku.
I'm sorry you had to live through that time period, but KU isn't anything close to as morbidly bad as K-State was during the Futility U era. You guys were losing consistently to teams like Austin Peay.
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ku has lost 20 consecutive conference games, and 28 out of the last 34. ku has been outscored over that stretch by nearly a 3:1 margin in conference play. That's literally at Bob Valasente era levels of futility. In fact it's even worse when you consider that college has evolved to where it is and schools spend so much more money on it now.
There were two teams playing in the Toilet Bowl in '88 and one of them was named ku.
I'm sorry you had to live through that time period, but KU isn't anything close to as morbidly bad as K-State was during the Futility U era. You guys were losing consistently to teams like Austin Peay.
Rice? South Dakota state?
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ku has lost 20 consecutive conference games, and 28 out of the last 34. ku has been outscored over that stretch by nearly a 3:1 margin in conference play. That's literally at Bob Valasente era levels of futility. In fact it's even worse when you consider that college has evolved to where it is and schools spend so much more money on it now.
There were two teams playing in the Toilet Bowl in '88 and one of them was named ku.
Rice? South Dakota state?
I'm sorry you had to live through that time period, but KU isn't anything close to as morbidly bad as K-State was during the Futility U era. You guys were losing consistently to teams like Austin Peay.
Rice is an FBS program that went to a bowl last year, and KU lost to North Dakota State in Turner Gill's first year (finished that season at 3-9 with a win against Georgia Tech). Like I said, nothing close to as bad as Futility U.
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'grats on not being quite as bad as 1980s KSU. Really high bar you're setting for yourself.
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ku has lost 20 consecutive conference games, and 28 out of the last 34. ku has been outscored over that stretch by nearly a 3:1 margin in conference play. That's literally at Bob Valasente era levels of futility. In fact it's even worse when you consider that college has evolved to where it is and schools spend so much more money on it now.
There were two teams playing in the Toilet Bowl in '88 and one of them was named ku.
Rice? South Dakota state?
I'm sorry you had to live through that time period, but KU isn't anything close to as morbidly bad as K-State was during the Futility U era. You guys were losing consistently to teams like Austin Peay.
Rice is an FBS program that went to a bowl last year, and KU lost to North Dakota State in Turner Gill's first year (finished that season at 3-9 with a win against Georgia Tech). Like I said, nothing close to as bad as Futility U.
Beems thinks beating lower level ACC teams is impressive.
May god have mercy on his soul.
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:ksu:
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Beems thinks beating lower level ACC teams is impressive.
May god have mercy on his soul.
Truth be told, the Georgia Tech team that ku/Gill took down in Gill's first season was legit good--they had that cool triple option play going pretty well. Could never figure out why ku could do so well in one game, and play so poorly the rest of the season.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
One in the same
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Makes Bill look eerily similar to Paterno. Keep the hair white.
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Beems, ku won 12 games during a period K-State won 8 in the last years of Futility U.. During that time ku lost to K-State once, and tied K-State once. 3 of those 12 wins were over K-State, and includes two years under Mason as compared to 1 year under Snyder. ku was every bit as woeful as K-State, I should know, I saw lots of ku games, including the Toilet Bowl.
Sounds like KU and KState were thunder buddies through the storm. Man, I'm really jealous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9PnNW56bp0
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Man, Charlie is BITB at negotiating buyouts. Wonder how much KU will owe him once he's fired.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9306910/notre-dame-fighting-irish-paid-charlie-weis-more-brian-kelly-2011
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Man, Charlie is BITB at negotiating buyouts. Wonder how much KU will owe him once he's fired.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/9306910/notre-dame-fighting-irish-paid-charlie-weis-more-brian-kelly-2011
Wow. Great no-work gig if you can get it...and Charlie got it.
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Beems thinks beating lower level ACC teams is impressive.
May god have mercy on his soul.
Truth be told, the Georgia Tech team that ku/Gill took down in Gill's first season was legit good--they had that cool triple option play going pretty well. Could never figure out why ku could do so well in one game, and play so poorly the rest of the season.
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They went 6-7 including wins over south carolina state, middle tennessee, wake forest and duke.
:sdeek:
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Beems thinks beating lower level ACC teams is impressive.
May god have mercy on his soul.
Truth be told, the Georgia Tech team that ku/Gill took down in Gill's first season was legit good--they had that cool triple option play going pretty well. Could never figure out why ku could do so well in one game, and play so poorly the rest of the season.
???
They went 6-7 including wins over south carolina state, middle tennessee, wake forest and duke.
:sdeek:
Well, furk, they looked good early season, wasn't aware that they had that long losing streak. My bad.
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I think you guys are being a bit too mean to Beems here. KU was pretty salty 6 years ago no doubt about it.
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I think you guys are being a bit too mean to Beems here. KU was pretty salty 6 years ago no doubt about it.
Would have loved to see them play OU or UT
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I agree with Jayhawk nation, their biggest game is always us and it's not close. Fun to try to knock off goliath I guess
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/67384/which-is-kansa-most-important-game :tsc:
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I agree with Jayhawk nation, their biggest/most exciting game is always vs. us. Always fun to try and knock off goliath
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/67384/which-is-kansa-most-important-game :tsc:
Some message board discussion indicates that OU and Texas are bigger games because they are "national programs".
The rule of thumb says: In-State, same conference, must win.
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National media agrees
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/67542/sunflower-showdown-looms-large-for-ku
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If there is anything the Squaks have learned from Indoor Lady Track, it is baby steps...you have to walk before you can run. They need to be realistic and set their sights on Rice.
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!!!!j;kjaaklfj!!!!
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I agree with Jayhawk nation, their biggest/most exciting game is always vs. us. Always fun to try and knock off goliath
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/67384/which-is-kansa-most-important-game :tsc:
Some message board discussion indicates that OU and Texas are bigger games because they are "national programs".
The rule of thumb says: In-State, same conference, must win.
:lol: :lol: ku fans thinking that their program is more than a speed bump on the radar of OU or UT.
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Stan Parrish is probably the worst coach in KSU history he went 2-30-1 in three seasons at KSU. Yet the funny thing is he didn't have a losing record against KU he was 1-1-1 against them. The year KSU lost to Austin Peay they tied KU.
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A lot of KU fans made a big deal about how Chaz was doing things "the right way" by getting rid of the riff raff that had found its way onto the FB team. Interesting that several of those players have found their way back onto the roster. The Martin fiasco is some notable blowback from Chaz bringing the MCMW players back. I wonder how adept the KU fanbase will be at howling for Chaz's head if the Jayhawks win 0 to 1 conference game with the MCMW players aboard.
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No no beems seven is too low to turn around that stuck on turd that is in the under pants of college football, Ku. That turd may grow to be Weis' face by the time he rolls out of town and into the frying pan! :lol:
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
One in the same
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They honestly look about the same age when you switch their hair, sad what obesity can do to a fellow. I also think it speaks to the lifegiving power of Taco Bell.
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Seven years seems a little high. If Weis stays seven years, it's because he turned the program around and went to a few bowl games. By that point, Weis would probably be ready to retire.
But, but, will he live that long? :dunno:
How old is Snyder? 73?
One in the same
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They honestly look about the same age when you switch their hair, sad what obesity can do to a fellow. I also think it speaks to the lifegiving power of Taco Bell.
If T-Bell is Bill's fountain of youth, I'll be eating there every day. :bill: