Hearing A Lot Of "Grumblings" From Squawks About Getting Rid Of Charlie

[sonofdaxjones]

It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.

I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans.    Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.


I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl. 

[Dugout DickStone]

It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.

I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans.    Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.


I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.

Makes sense.  No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.

[sonofdaxjones]

It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.

I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans.    Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.


I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.

Makes sense.  No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.

So true, I mean if someone would have come to me in 2007 and said, "Hey Dax, you guys can win the 2008 Orange Bowl, but for the forseeable future after that, the K-State program will become the laughing stock of major conference football, surpassing a 3 year low in conference game win % not seen since the Toilet Bowl days of the mid to late 80's."    I'd have told that deal maker to sign me up, because I would know that while K-State was in the midst of taking the program off the road, into the woods and setting it on fire I could slam that 2008 Orange Bowl into everyone's fat face.   So what if we lose 20 straight conference games, 2008 Orange Bowl baby!!

[Dugout DickStone]

It's hard to know where to put this, but I am starting to see the ku side of things here.

I've determined that it's a lot more painful for me (and probably to any K-State fan if they'd admit it) to have K-State's lack of recent bowl success thrown in our faces by ku fans.    Than it must be for ku fans having the reality of 20 consecutive conference losses and losses in 28 of their last 34 conference games tossed in their face.


I've concluded that K-State would have been better off to lose 20 consecutive conference games and 28 out of its last 34 conference games, rather than face the taunts of losing to a team like Oregon or defending National Champion Ohio State in a BCS Bowl.

Makes sense.  No one remembers who went 2 seasons without winning a conference game.

So true, I mean if someone would have come to me in 2007 and said, "Hey Dax, you guys can win the 2008 Orange Bowl, but for the forseeable future after that, the K-State program will become the laughing stock of major conference football, surpassing a 3 year low in conference game win % not seen since the Toilet Bowl days of the mid to late 80's."    I'd have told that deal maker to sign me up, because I would know that while K-State was in the midst of taking to the program off the road, into the woods and setting it on fire I could slam that 2008 Orange Bowl into everyone's fat face.   So what if we lose 20 straight conference games, 2008 Orange Bowl baby!!

I'd want to know when the BCS would die and Therefore the win meant nothing more than any FCS or other bowl win.  If you said, "5 years" I'd have to think a bit longer.  That's a pretty long stretch of being a joke in the most important sport there is in college.

[deputy dawg]

How long did it take ku fans to forget Bowl Series Alliance?  If you mention KSU won one or two of those, your get a blank stare in response.

[Dugout DickStone]

How long did it take ku fans to forget Bowl Series Alliance?  If you mention KSU won one or two of those, your get a blank stare in response.

As long as it will take everyone to forget the BCS.

[Hurricane Cat]

This KU Fan understands Charlie's potential!   

You dont know anything about Coach Weis. You are absolutely a fool and delusional if you dont think Charlie Weis and staff aren't going to turn this thing around. I am not saying we are going to be the best team in the conference next year and for as long as he is here but what I am saying is just like Coach Weis said..... it wont be a matter of making it to a bowl. It will be a matter of which bowl are we going too. Teams wont enjoy playing us.

Next year we have a great opportunity to right the ship. A few things need to happen at a couple positions but in all honesty... we expect those things to "happen" and they should happen.

Coach Weis is a competitor. He also has a world of knowledge and a chip on his shoulder. trust me.... right now in Lawrence.... It's either you buy in to what Coach Weis and staff are selling or you GTFO because there is no place for you. Things are changing for the better for Kansas football..... it's really just a matter of time and a matter of who wants to buy in.

Like Coach Weis said in his "Building the program promo"..... When we get enough guys in here who are willing to take on a challenge and are willing to do something special, we're gonna do something special.

I cant tell you how many we will win next season but what I can tell you is the program is being run by the exact man it needs to be run by and the direction of the program is on the course it needs to be on. It's going to be very fun and special when we break through.

The man has a chip on his shoulder...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!

[deputy dawg]

 

...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!

its coming!

[Dugout DickStone]

...... enjoy the ride KU football fans! its coming!

its coming!

 

[420seriouscat69]

  That's where KCSF has been.

[mocat]

Beems, we are on your side here.  Read the thread.

It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.

 

[420seriouscat69]

Beems, we are on your side here.  Read the thread.

It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.

 

terrible use of grammar. :KUgrad:

[Super PurpleCat]

Beems, we are on your side here.  Read the thread.

It's all tongue and cheek, lashing out in response to Weis and KU dominating K-State on the recruiting trail.

 

It's called menudo.  Don't get near it.   

[Functianalyst]

Charlie Weis is one of the few coaches who give this conference any shred of credibility.

Yet outside of his first two years of head coaching Notre Dame with Ty Willingham teams, Charlie Weiss went 3-9, 7-6 and 6-6 before last year.  His win-loss record as a Div I head coach to date is 36-38.  There are some Coordinators that are not meant to be Head Coaches, and Weiss has always shown that to me.  But I do not expect them to finish in last place next season. 

[Emo EMAW]

Charlie Weis is one of the few coaches who give this conference any shred of credibility.

Yet outside of his first two years of head coaching Notre Dame with Ty Willingham teams, Charlie Weiss went 3-9, 7-6 and 6-6 before last year.  His win-loss record as a Div I head coach to date is 36-38.  There are some Coordinators that are not meant to be Head Coaches, and Weiss has always shown that to me.  But I do not expect them to finish in last place next season.

Where do you expect them to finish and who will be last? 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Weis just needs to hire Willingham as his team GM. He should just completely remove himself from every aspect of recruiting and let Willingham build him a team. He would be able to coach Ty's boys to the BCS in no time.

[ChiComCat]

Judging by beem's threads, we've been out recruited for about 10 years now.  I really just can't get myself to give a crap anymore

[OregonSmock]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

[Super PurpleCat]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.

[meow meow]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

Translate?

[TheHamburglar]

Beems, I'm sorry your parents didn't pay any attention to you as a child. That had to of sucked. I hope your obsession with coming on here trying to get validation makes you feel better at night.

[OregonSmock]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.

It's happening again right now.  Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.

[sonofdaxjones]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.

It's happening again right now.  Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.

Where else is there for ku to go, you can't get any more shitty than the already are, literally surpassing Toilet Bowl era numbers in conference game futility.

[TheHamburglar]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.

It's happening again right now.  Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.

I didn't realize they are planning to set up divisions to allow KU to only play 1 ranked team to lose to in order to be the 3rd or 4th best team in the conference.

[OregonSmock]

I remember when K-State fans used to make fun of KU football, even as we would beat Ron Prince and the gang by three to four TD's.  Then KU went 12-1 and won a BCS Bowl.  History repeats itself, I guess.

The word "repeat" indicates that such an event happens more than once.

It's happening again right now.  Snyder is on the verge of retirement, and KU is improving its talent level and its overall football program.

Where else is there for ku to go, you can't get any more shitty than the already are, literally surpassing Toilet Bowl era numbers in conference game futility.

KU could go 0-12 next season and continue the losing.  I just don't really expect that to happen.  Maybe I should.  We'll have to wait and see, I guess.  As for futility U, KU isn't even close to as bad as K-State was back in the 1980's.  That's a personal delusion that you're starting to spread to the rest of the board. 

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1068750/1/index.htm

There is only one school in the nation that has lost 500 games," says LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State's new football coach. "This is it, and I get to coach it. "Snyder smiles. Sort of. He is the fourth coach in five years to be given the opportunity, the previous three having been bloodied beyond recognition. Since World War II not one of K-State's 11 coaches has gone on to a better coaching job. "This has been a real career stopper," says the school's athletic director, Steve Miller.

Last November, when Miller hired Snyder away from Iowa, where he was the offensive coordinator, Miller told him, "Kansas State is flat on its back. You may have heard it's one of the toughest jobs in the country. It's not. It's the toughest." How tough? Well, not a single Wildcat was drafted this year by the NFL. When it comes to college football, nobody does it worse than Kansas State. After 93 years of trying to play the game, the Wildcats' record is 299-509-41, dead last among the 106 schools in Division I-A. Next worst is Wake Forest, which has won 308 games and lost 451 over six fewer years of trying. State has been looking for its 300th win since Oct. 18, 1986; the Wildcats have failed 27 straight times, the longest nonwinning streak in the land (they forged a 17-17 tie with Kansas in 1987). K-State publicist Kenny Mossman says, "We may not win many games but we are fun to watch." Actually, the word is funny.

For example, after State went 0-10-1 in 1987, then coach Stan Parrish promised, "I will not let it happen again. That wasn't me." It didn't, and it wasn't. In '88 the team was 0-11. The Wildcats' best 10-year stretch ever was 1905-14, when they went 56-27-3. Since World War II their most successful decade has been 1968-77; their record during that time was 38-70. Mindful of that, Snyder told his battered players soon after he arrived last winter at the Manhattan campus, "Any loss is not the end of the world. If it was, you guys would have been pushing up daisies with your toes a long time ago." Privately Snyder says, "These kids expect so little of themselves now. They came here hoping for so much, and they have gotten so little. That's bad, because if you don't succeed at what you think is important, then it becomes less important."

And so it is that, according to an NCAA statistical study for the period between 1946 and the present, Kansas State ranks last in the nation in scoring offense and last in scoring defense, and since 1954, last in total offense. Perhaps as a result, it is also last in the hearts of most of its students (in 1988 only 2,700 of an enrollment of 19,301 bought season tickets) and, worst of all, last in the minds of the Wildcats. "Maybe," says junior defensive back Danny Needham, "the desire has been lost."

K-State was literally so bad that you guys are still butthurt about it 'til this day.