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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: meow meow on April 16, 2013, 09:17:22 PM
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:sdeek:
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Stupid
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But CNS Casey said he declared already
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this sucks.
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What a dumbass
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Unbelievable.
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Link?
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
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Link?
One of a handful out there. All attributing "sources."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/blog/eye-on-college-basketball/22085117/report-oklahoma-states-marcus-smart-to-return-for-sophomore-season
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i bet oscar is mad that he said stuff about marcus when he assumed he'd never have to see him again
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i bet oscar is mad that he said stuff about marcus when he assumed he'd never have to see him again
True. Could be a classic case of what goes around, comes around.
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effing Oklahoma State.... :dubious:
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They're going to pull the double next year, aren't they? :frown:
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Pretty sure that guy was Shannon spradling
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
I believe they are adding two freshman top100 guards to boot
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Pretty sure that guy was Shannon spradling
Nah, this guy wasn't white...if Shannon was black everybody would like Sprads more :opcat:
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Pretty sure that guy was Shannon spradling
Nah, this guy wasn't white...if Shannon was black everybody would like Sprads more :opcat:
It was this guy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Tapscott (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ed_Tapscott)
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I bet his opinion of KSU having one of the best coached college offenses changed after the La Salle game
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
I believe they are adding two freshman top100 guards to boot
Yeah, I bet they move Smart to the 2 and he just lights everybody up.
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
I believe they are adding two freshman top100 guards to boot
We have a couple top 1000 guards, don't we?
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
I believe they are adding two freshman top100 guards to boot
We have a couple top 1000 guards, don't we?
They aren't on it right now, but they should be the next time it's updated.
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
This guy scouts for the Wizards and you trust what he says? You know the Wizards absolutely blow right? And have for quite some time. They've had more than enough opportunities to get good talent (being in the top of the draft every year) and still can't get anything going. They had MJ on their team and couldn't do anything.
Sorry man, this guy would've had more credibility if he was scouting for the Bucks.
Doesn't matter what he says.
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Seems like OSU is going to be stacked at guard but pretty crapty down low.
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OSU is just going to be terrifying next year.
I believe they are adding two freshman top100 guards to boot
We have a couple top 1000 guards, don't we?
They aren't on it right now, but they should be the next time it's updated.
:lol:
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
Validated in what way, he was a projected top 3 pick. He isn't returning for seasoning, he's coming back to stay in college another year, he is supported by the Forte family so he isn't broke. He is likely to slide in the stacked '14 draft. Phil Senior really should be giving Marcus better advice and I'm not saying that as a butthurt K-State fan, which I am but still.
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crap
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Seems like OSU is going to be stacked at guard but pretty crapty down low.
Same as this year more or less. They replace Jurick with another juco center and get everybody else back. Cobbins and Murphy are good for what they're asked to do.
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someone said something positive about oscar.
LET'S GET HIM!
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But CNS Casey said he declared already
That's what the radio guy said.
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But Travis Ford is still our coach.
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
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But Travis Ford is still our coach.
T's & P's
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going full tuck on this one, but it's kind of refreshing to see a young guy that has millions ahead of him stay for another year in college because he's having fun. the money will be there next year, too.
have fun, marcus. :D
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what an idiot, I hope he has a good insurance policy
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
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what an idiot, I hope he has a good insurance policy
The NCAAs insurance policy that they give to projected pros has a ridiculously high copay, its like $20,000. I'm sure Phil Forte Sr. purchased it.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
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T Boone probably came by his dorm room and "lost" 100K, somewhere by Smarts dresser....maybe under his bed.........
Oh, crap.......wasn't thinking right......Smart could make waaaaaayyyyyy more leaving for the pros, so it was prolly more like a cool billion.....???
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
Maybe he just has different priorities than you.
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He should go,but it's not some tragedy if he stays. I mean boo freaking hoo, the big 12 will be a bit more competitive and we won't be able to be mediocre and still have success.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
Maybe he just has different priorities than you.
Are you saying that it isn't his priority to play in the NBA and make tons of cash?
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
Maybe he just has different priorities than you.
Are you saying that it isn't his priority to play in the NBA and make tons of cash?
Obviously it's not. Did you not see the announcement that he is staying at OSU?
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Yeah, but if both options are super fun, you take fun off the pro/con list of what is to be considered. So what else does he gain from being in college vs what does he gain from going pro?
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You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Are you sure?
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Yeah, but if both options are super fun, you take fun off the pro/con list of what is to be considered. So what else does he gain from being in college vs what does he gain from going pro?
to have fun? maybe he wants to win a championship? seems awfully silly of you and MIR to chastise a kid (18? 19?) for making a decision that makes him happy. he'll still be in the nba next year.
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You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Are you sure?
why would it change? do you think he will suddenly not be good next year? he has shown already that he's a really good basketball player.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
Maybe he just has different priorities than you.
Are you saying that it isn't his priority to play in the NBA and make tons of cash?
Obviously it's not. Did you not see the announcement that he is staying at OSU?
I refuse to believe that your sense of logic is as bad as that sentence makes you look.
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Of all the things I care about in this world, whether or not Marcus Smart gets paid is at the very bottom of the list. I like watching elite college basketball players and I'm glad he stayed. He knows the risks he is taking by coming back better than any of us.
Apparently he doesn't.
maybe he's a kid that enjoys college?
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Yeah, but if both options are super fun, you take fun off the pro/con list of what is to be considered. So what else does he gain from being in college vs what does he gain from going pro?
to have fun? maybe he wants to win a championship? seems awfully silly of you and MIR to chastise a kid (18? 19?) for making a decision that makes him happy. he'll still be in the nba next year.
You need to read before ranting, I clearly laid this bad ass decision at the feet of his coach and his father figure, Phil Forte Sr., I mentioned them more than once.
You know what is probably really fun? Being a millionaire pro athlete.
he can do that next year. :dunno:
Are you sure?
why would it change? do you think he will suddenly not be good next year? he has shown already that he's a really good basketball player.
Again I already addressed that, are you reading the thread or just posting. He's going to lose positions and cash just by virtue of guards in high school now who scouts and GMs already view better than Smart. I would think the possibility of an injury would go without saying.
He got poor advice, its stupid to argue otherwise. Glad he is coming back for 6AM weight sessions in June and 8:30 Psychology lectures though.
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how many people get seriously injured in college basketball every year?
by seriously injured, i mean injured to the point that they can't play basketball anymore.
injury is a non-issue.
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I wish he would have gone pro because I don't want to have to play him twice next year.
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I am not chastising anyone.
Am just putting myself in that sitch. A lottery pick shouldn't care about next yr's championship. I wouldn't. A lottery pick should only stay in college as long as it takes to maximize your opportunity to go pro. If Smart stays, he may not get a better opportunity for two yrs.
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I am not chastising anyone.
Am just putting myself in that sitch. A lottery pick shouldn't care about next yr's championship. I wouldn't. A lottery pick should only stay in college as long as it takes to maximize your opportunity to go pro. If Smart stays, he may not get a better opportunity for two yrs.
i would take the money and run, also, but i think that we forget that some people hold different values over things. he might be enjoying the crap out of being the big man on campus. :dunno:
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
i'm a college basketball fan, why should i be upset that one of the best players in the game has decided that he's going to continue to play it, and that i'll get to watch him, a lot?
why should i be upset that some kid i've never met won't be made a multimillionaire over night and won't be appearing in an episode of next season's Entourage?
should i be worried he might hurt his draft stock and that some other kid i've never met could possibly take a portion of smart's millions, next year?
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I'm sure Smart weighed the decision well and got good advice. He just decided that another year playing in college with a long time friend was worth it. Good for him.
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But Travis Ford is still our coach.
Please continue to keep him as your coach
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But Travis Ford is still our coach.
Please continue to keep him as your coach
I'll give Ford and his staff a lot of credit for making Smart and Forte buy the message that they were "being recruited separately". And if he can manage to recruit a player like that every few years he'll be there a while.
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
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But Travis Ford is still our coach.
Please continue to keep him as your coach
I'll give Ford and his staff a lot of credit for making Smart and Forte buy the message that they were "being recruited separately". And if he can manage to recruit a player like that every few years he'll be there a while.
Kids like smart never come around, he is like the anti Ford player. Ford players never do the small things and have great attitudes.
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In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
With the greater disparity in the value of rookie contracts to 2nd contracts, I wonder if a player like Smart wouldn't benefit in the long run to be a mid round pick and play with a better team than to go in the top 10 to somebody like the Bobcats, Kings or Suns ( :frown:). Finding your role on a more talented team with good players that can make you look better might be the way to a bigger 2nd contract.
Obviously, the elite guys that can dominate from day 1 like Melo or Kyrie Irving it hasn't mattered but it may benefit the tweeners and guys that need work (like Smart does on his shooting) to do it without the pressure of franchise savior on some of these poorly run franchises that need multiple saviors.
If you think this is some half baked theory of a Mike Beasley fanboi that is trying to explain away him not living up to being the 2nd overall pick you would be correct.
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Got to get to the 2nd contact first, smarts seems like a player that could flop.
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“I talked to Mike Beasley,” Pullen said to the paper. “The two weeks right before the draft deadline, Mike spent out in Kansas. We talked and he said if he could re-do everything, he’d have stayed all four years.
“He said to think about it and not just worry about the money. Think about the experiences you want to be part of, because once you make that decision it’s your life. It’s a job. It’s not fun anymore.”
http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/ (http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/)
Plus Smart is playing on a team with his best friend & he'll never get that chance again.
Glad he's sticking around for the Big 12.
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“I talked to Mike Beasley,” Pullen said to the paper. “The two weeks right before the draft deadline, Mike spent out in Kansas. We talked and he said if he could re-do everything, he’d have stayed all four years.
“He said to think about it and not just worry about the money. Think about the experiences you want to be part of, because once you make that decision it’s your life. It’s a job. It’s not fun anymore.”
http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/ (http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/)
Plus Smart is playing on a team with his best friend & he'll never get that chance again.
Glad he's sticking around for the Big 12.
Different players/ppl. I think Mike expected to be Jordan and was disappointed.
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nash staying, too. osu should be very good next year. :curse:
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Markel Brown staying too.
FORD! :shakesfist:
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Rings!!!!!
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nash staying, too. osu should be very good next year. :curse:
Brown staying is much bigger to me than Nash. Nash is pretty hot and cold. We should be good. Time will tell.
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
i'm a college basketball fan, why should i be upset that one of the best players in the game has decided that he's going to continue to play it, and that i'll get to watch him, a lot?
why should i be upset that some kid i've never met won't be made a multimillionaire over night and won't be appearing in an episode of next season's Entourage?
should i be worried he might hurt his draft stock and that some other kid i've never met could possibly take a portion of smart's millions, next year?
Feel how you want, I'm not telling anyone how they should feel. All I said is that his father and his coach didn't help him make the best long-term decision for Marcus. I'm not worried either, just observing.
For the record, I appreciate his talent but I don't like watching him play. I hate floppers with every fiber of my being.
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injury is a non-issue.
hypocrite
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injury is a non-issue.
hypocrite
did i say something different before?
listen, dude, this is the internet, and i change my mind up three times a day. :emawkid:
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For the record, I appreciate his talent but I don't like watching him play. I hate floppers with every fiber of my being.
I agree with this, one of the worst things about basketball. Worse than "overly" physical play. IMHO.
OSU being good helps the Big 12 though, especially if UT/Barnes continues to be a train wreck.
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
i'm a college basketball fan, why should i be upset that one of the best players in the game has decided that he's going to continue to play it, and that i'll get to watch him, a lot?
why should i be upset that some kid i've never met won't be made a multimillionaire over night and won't be appearing in an episode of next season's Entourage?
should i be worried he might hurt his draft stock and that some other kid i've never met could possibly take a portion of smart's millions, next year?
Feel how you want, I'm not telling anyone how they should feel. All I said is that his father and his coach didn't help him make the best long-term decision for Marcus. I'm not worried either, just observing.
For the record, I appreciate his talent but I don't like watching him play. I hate floppers with every fiber of my being.
oh i know you aren't suggesting i feel otherwise, just laying out why i made my initial statement telling others that they should feel like i do, or be indifferent. more than likely, the reality is this kid is going to be just fine in the long term. sure he flops from time to time but he's fun to watch on the offensive end and i wish there were more players with his skillset playing the college game.
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“I talked to Mike Beasley,” Pullen said to the paper. “The two weeks right before the draft deadline, Mike spent out in Kansas. We talked and he said if he could re-do everything, he’d have stayed all four years.
“He said to think about it and not just worry about the money. Think about the experiences you want to be part of, because once you make that decision it’s your life. It’s a job. It’s not fun anymore.”
http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/ (http://dimemag.com/2010/06/michael-beasley-says-nba-not-nfl-is-no-fun-league/)
Plus Smart is playing on a team with his best friend & he'll never get that chance again.
Glad he's sticking around for the Big 12.
Different players/ppl. I think Mike expected to be Jordan and was disappointed.
Mike was Jordan when he was in college. I can easily see how somebody could think college ball is a lot more fun than pro ball, especially if you are going to get drafted early and have to get your ass kicked night in and night out on a shitty team. The money would be hard to turn down, though.
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@OSUAthletcs "It's OFFICIAL: Le'Bryan Nash, Markel Brown and Marcus Smart will return to #OKState! pic.twitter.com/UO9gFasZ65"
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I think Smart is just flopping OSU fans.
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Yep, and zero Big 12 championships.
The Anybody But Weber crowd really is fascinating to me...
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Sutton left the program in shambles. I will take the guy who is recruiting top flight talent. If he can't win, you still have top flight talent for the next coach.
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Sutton left the program in shambles. I will take the guy who is recruiting top flight talent. If he can't win, you still have top flight talent for the next coach.
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Why would anyone be pissed about this? The Big 12 sucks and needs all the good teams it can get.
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Why would anyone be pissed about this?
i do not know. good for the big 12.
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Marcus Smart is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (obv. he's playing for Ford at OSU). You get one shot at this kind of guaranteed money, you don't pass.
Forte is a rough ridin' bitch who sucks at basketball.
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Why would anyone be pissed about this? The Big 12 sucks and needs all the good teams it can get.
Nobody is really pissed. Just in awe about how stupid of a decision he made.
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Marcus Smart is a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) (obv. he's playing for Ford at OSU). You get one shot at this kind of guaranteed money, you don't pass.
Forte is a rough ridin' bitch who sucks at basketball.
saved for next year when smart still makes a ton of guaranteed money.
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What if Smart stays 4 years, guys?
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good for him. years from now he may blame his financial management team for his bankruptcy and tax debt/resulting prison sentence, but they won't be able to take away his education.
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Out of curiousity, how many NCAA wins do you expect Weber to have in Manhattan after 5 years?
If the bar were set at 1.5, are you taking the over or the under?
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maybe someone is paying smart enough to make staying worth it
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Sutton left the program in shambles. I will take the guy who is recruiting top flight talent. If he can't win, you still have top flight talent for the next coach.
I'm glad oscar was here last year for no other reason than the title. What happens from here on out is whatever, but I'll trade a few bad years for a title that we hadn't had in over 30 years.
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
60% of NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Maybe the extra school will give him the responsibility to handle his money better when he finally gets it. :dunno:
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
60% of NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Maybe the extra school will give him the responsibility to handle his money better when he finally gets it. :dunno:
Man, that NBA stat is horrible. NBA should offer some better rookie counseling.
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
60% of NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Maybe the extra school will give him the responsibility to handle his money better when he finally gets it. :dunno:
Man, that NBA stat is horrible. NBA should offer some better rookie counseling.
I think they do, but they obviously are not doing a very good job. It's even worse in the NFL, where 78% of former players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within 2 years of retirement.
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maybe someone is paying smart enough to make staying worth it
That was the first thing I thought.
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
60% of NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Maybe the extra school will give him the responsibility to handle his money better when he finally gets it. :dunno:
Man, that NBA stat is horrible. NBA should offer some better rookie counseling.
I think they do, but they obviously are not doing a very good job. It's even worse in the NFL, where 78% of former players are bankrupt or facing serious financial stress within 2 years of retirement.
It's all those damn financial advisers :shakesfist:
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NBA careers on average have to be pretty short. What is the tipping point for how many years he can put off the transition and not be able to make that amount of lost money back? 2Yrs?
60% of NBA players are bankrupt within 5 years of retiring. Maybe the extra school will give him the responsibility to handle his money better when he finally gets it. :dunno:
Man, that NBA stat is horrible. NBA should offer some better rookie counseling.
To me it should be on the player's unions and especially on the agents. At least some of the guys that stay in long enough get a pension but it really sucks for the guys that get hurt early and wash out in the NFL.
I found this link to be interesting if accurate http://hypersapien.hubpages.com/hub/Americas-Best-Retirement-Plan-Athletes-Pensions-in-Professional-Sports (http://hypersapien.hubpages.com/hub/Americas-Best-Retirement-Plan-Athletes-Pensions-in-Professional-Sports)
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College bball players rarely seriously injured, say what? :jerk:
Anyone seriously supporting this decision is mathematically and financially challenged or trolling. LOL
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good for him. years from now he may blame his financial management team for his bankruptcy and tax debt/resulting prison sentence, but they won't be able to take away his education.
lol, great post
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maybe someone is paying smart enough to make staying worth it
That was the first thing I thought.
His father figure, Phil Forte Sr., is filthy rich
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I do have to say congrats to sekpoke; even with Ford as your coach its got to be pretty great to be an OSU hoops fan right now. Feel free to share any ADV stats charts with your OSU brethren next year as you guys dominate the Big 12.
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College bball players rarely seriously injured, say what? :jerk:
Anyone seriously supporting this decision is mathematically and financially challenged or trolling. LOL
give me a list of players that skipped the draft and were injured seriously so that they weren't drafted the following year.
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College bball players rarely seriously injured, say what? :jerk:
Anyone seriously supporting this decision is mathematically and financially challenged or trolling. LOL
give me a list of players that skipped the draft and were injured seriously so that they weren't drafted the following year.
Can hurt stock to come back if the following draft class is stronger (it will be) or if you play shitty (doubt in this case). Would worry more about that than injury and that happens a lot
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Sutton left the program in shambles. I will take the guy who is recruiting top flight talent. If he can't win, you still have top flight talent for the next coach.
I would trade Weber for one of Ford's assistants (his choice) at this point.
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Out of curiousity, how many NCAA wins do you expect Weber to have in Manhattan after 5 years?
If the bar were set at 1.5, are you taking the over or the under?
Bump.
Pett, GOSP, thoughts?
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many OSU fans must wake up, smell their armpits, and just think man we smell great.
OSU has retained a NBA lottery player and arguably a couple of other NBA players.
OSU kept their coach, has piles of cash going into their program.
OSU horsecowgirls just won it all.
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many OSU fans must wake up, smell their armpits, and just think man we smell great.
OSU has retained a NBA lottery player and arguably a couple of other NBA players.
OSU kept their coach, has piles of cash going into their program.
OSU horsecowgirls just won it all.
OSU is well-positioned. Hope for NCAA violations.
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I like Ford's 2013 class and I would trade Weber for him in a heartbeat.
Five seasons in Stillwater and has only won one NCAA tournament game
Out of curiousity, how many NCAA wins do you expect Weber to have in Manhattan after 5 years?
If the bar were set at 1.5, are you taking the over or the under?
Bump.
Pett, GOSP, thoughts?
Over
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many OSU fans must wake up, smell their armpits, and just think man we smell great.
OSU has retained a NBA lottery player and arguably a couple of other NBA players.
OSU kept their coach, has piles of cash going into their program.
OSU horsecowgirls just won it all.
OSU is well-positioned. Hope for NCAA violations.
We have to get a real coach before any NCAA violations committed by OSU would affect us in any way.
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http://www.orlandopinstripedpost.com/2013/4/26/4271506/2013-nba-draft-rumor-marcus-smart-enter-oklahoma-state-orlando-e
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what kind of dumbass would live in stillwater for a year rather than make millions of dollars?
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
Troll
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Maybe Beas needed another year, but he has millions nevertheless.
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
especially after being the best player in the country that year
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
I am honestly planning on kicking the crap out of you if we ever meet
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
Troll
Nope
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So smart is backing the money truck up to old man forte and OSU. I guess you can have your cake and eat it too.
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So smart is backing the money truck up to old man forte and OSU. I guess you can have your cake and eat it too.
seems like you're implying the family is on the take!
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Wrong, I'm not a troll. I probably was EMAW before most of you were thought of.
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
I don't think Smart has the character issues that Beasley had.
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Maybe Smart doesn't want to make the same mistake as Beasley. Beas really needed at least another year.
I don't think Smart has the character issues that Beasley had.
Congratulations, I'm going to kick the living crap out of you in real life
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He could be more mature than the Beas. I don't know enough about him, but from the games I saw another year won't hurt him. It'd be fine with me if he moves on. I didn't mean for half of the board to get their panties in a wad over my view. Lighten up and live longer.
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He could be more mature than the Beas. I don't know enough about him, but from the games I saw another year won't hurt him. It'd be fine with me if he moves on. I didn't mean for half of the board to get their panties in a wad over my view. Lighten up and live longer.
good job, now i'm going to kick the ass of whatever's left of you after stevedave kicks your ass.
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Beasley should have stayed another year just so we could have seen him and Clemente play together :frown:
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If Beas had stayed all 4 years, how many national championships would he have won? I think probably 2.
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Anyone who loves oscar Weber doesn't know anything about basketball. You got trolled purple cat, trolled hard.
Also I used comic sans on that part because you are dumb.
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marcus smart has game and i'm glad he is spending another year in college, in the big 12. it's pretty stupid to be upset that he's staying, fwiw. so shut up on that point.
In what way? I'm not glad he's staying because he should be getting paid for what he does and Travis Ford should stop being so damn selfish and Coach Cal this kid. It is ridiculous that anyone would do anything but tell him he has to go when he is a guaranteed top 10 pick. Next years draft is projecting as one of the best in recent memory and that was with Smart leaving in this year's garbage draft.
Maybe the kid just wants to play another year of college ball? Maybe he likes being an amateur and living that lifestyle? Maybe he enjoys getting an education and spending time with "kids" his age? Maybe he wants to get better and achieve more on this level before going to the next one?
In response to your point on draft strength: what exactly is wrong with ending up toward the middle of the draft? If you're a solid play and end up having a full career, you'll ultimately be better off by getting drafted to a solid team instead of a being like John Wall and going to the abysmal wizards...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Prp615mmDk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Prp615mmDk)
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Anyone who loves oscar Weber doesn't know anything about basketball. You got trolled purple cat, trolled hard.
Also I used comic sans on that part because you are dumb.
FYI, the "sans" part of "comic sans" applies to every bit of text on this site. Also FYI, go drink some bleach.
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go drink some bleach.
:sdeek:
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I guess i feel validated. Dude would get destroyed by nba point guard.
FWIW, I sat next to an NBA Scout at the BXII Tourney during the OKSU/Baylor game. I never got his name, but he scouts for the Wizards, and was their Interim coach a few years back. He was a GREAT guy & we chatted most of the first half. I chastized the NBA for always drafting on purely potential, and letting guys that put in the time like McGruder/Pullen/et all slip through the cracks...he said McGruder would end up in a camp, he loved everything about him, he just needed to be able to add the ability to create his own shot to get minutes in the league.
Anyway, a Squak fan was behind us trying to railroad our conversation...asking about Withey (Scout said he'll get destroyed, doesn't have adequate lower body strength to post up vs NBA bigs, and they'll just abuse him unless he adds a lot of lower body strength) & McLemore (Scout loved him, but wished he wouldn't shy away from spotlight). He said that he thought McLemore would get drafted higher than Smart b/c of athleticism, but Smart would be a MUCH better pro player.
It was awesome talking to that guy, he HATED Nash for OKSU...said he had the worst body language of any player that could become something he'd ever seen. He got fouled on a drive that wasn't called...loafed back on defense then got the ball on offense near half court on next posession...he told me, "Watch, he's going to shoot here because he's pissed he didn't get that fould last drive," Sure as crap, 5 seconds later, he threw up a brick & loafed back on D again.
Oh, and he LOVED oscar Weber...while he was interim coach in NBA, he had Dee Brown on his team...said he was always in the right place on the court and Brown always spoke highly of Weber when they would talk on the side. He said KSU was one of the best coached college offenses he'd watched all season...
Don't :goodbyecruelworld: me, just relaying what he said (like a month late)
Anyone who loves oscar Weber doesn't know anything about basketball. You got trolled purple cat, trolled hard.
Also I used comic sans on that part because you are dumb.
FYI, the "sans" part of "comic sans" applies to every bit of text on this site. Also FYI, go drink some bleach.
Wrong You dumb cat fan, you don't even know what serifs are, you are talking to a graphic designer. Go drink urine.