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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: felix rex on March 20, 2013, 01:18:50 AM
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Is there anything more noble than feeding the hungry. I mean, imagine when Old Man Monsanto was a boy and he probably volunteered a soup kitchen or something one Thanksgiving and was like "what if did that all the time but for a living? You know, be really really ridiculously good at feeding hungry people."
I bet everyone laughed at him. But not now, Monsantito, not now.
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I think it's the whole farmer harassment thingy and them having a former counsel on the Supreme Court who helped them to do the farmer harassment thingy.
Plus their end products make us nothing but a bunch of fat asses living off the government dole, literally.
:dunno:
I'm open to refutation on this, but I know a few farmers who don't have anything nice to say about them.
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Honestly never heard of it.
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I think it's the whole farmer harassment thingy and them having a former counsel on the Supreme Court who helped them to do the farmer harassment thingy.
Plus their end products make us nothing but a bunch of fat asses living off the government dole, literally.
:dunno:
I'm open to refutation on this, but I know a few farmers who don't have anything nice to say about them.
fact: farmers are grumpy because God made them that way.
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http://www.amazon.com/Windup-Girl-Paolo-Bacigalupi/dp/1597801585
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http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-foods/indian-farmers-committing-suicide-monsanto-gm-crops/
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Those guys are dropping like flies.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farmers'_suicides_in_India
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http://www.seattleorganicrestaurants.com/vegan-whole-foods/indian-farmers-committing-suicide-monsanto-gm-crops/
Suicide isn't funny, but that article is.
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fyi, organic farming is not sustainable. We cannot feed the world with organic farming. There is just not enough farm land.
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fyi, organic farming is not sustainable. We cannot feed the world with organic farming. There is just not enough farm land.
Yes, but growing a select few crops is not the answer either.
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fyi, organic farming is not sustainable. We cannot feed the world with organic farming. There is just not enough farm land.
Yes, but growing a select few crops is not the answer either.
I fully agree.
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http://www.amazon.com/Windup-Girl-Paolo-Bacigalupi/dp/1597801585
Would you recommend this book, or are you just posting it because it relates to Monsanto?
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http://www.amazon.com/Windup-Girl-Paolo-Bacigalupi/dp/1597801585
Would you recommend this book, or are you just posting it because it relates to Monsanto?
it's really good. IRL the author hates the crap out of Monsanto is why I posted it though.
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
I think I know your relative, is his name EVERY FARMER ON THE ENTIRE PLANET?
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http://www.amazon.com/Windup-Girl-Paolo-Bacigalupi/dp/1597801585
Would you recommend this book, or are you just posting it because it relates to Monsanto?
it's really good. IRL the author hates the crap out of Monsanto is why I posted it though.
It looks interesting. I'll give it a read. Should I read "The Calorie Man" first?
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
If this guys ever pisses you off, you can just tell that to Monsanto and they will sue his pants off.
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http://www.amazon.com/Windup-Girl-Paolo-Bacigalupi/dp/1597801585
Would you recommend this book, or are you just posting it because it relates to Monsanto?
it's really good. IRL the author hates the crap out of Monsanto is why I posted it though.
It looks interesting. I'll give it a read. Should I read "The Calorie Man" first?
Probably. Don't have to though. It's a short story that kind of leads into The Windup Girl.
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
I think I know your relative, is his name EVERY FARMER ON THE ENTIRE PLANET?
Hey SD! I think we're having a party this summer at "the shop." Wanna come? :D It's gonna be a gas!
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
and when he gets caught and sued for breech of contract, he will be one of those farmers that says really bad things about Monsanto. They have other options, but no, they chose to break the law. I feel no sympathy for them, similar to not feeling sympathy for somebody who gets a speeding ticket for driving 80 in 65. There are risks, but do what you want, just don't cry about getting caught.
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Whoa whoa chill out dobbs!
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dobbs leaves for awhile, comes back and whips Emo EMAW's ass.
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I have some sympathy for the farmer who holds back beans to plant the next fall, because there are no soybeans that aren't roundup ready anymore, and roundup doesn't even work like it used to. Monsanto has made their money, and they should not be able to still be milking this "roundup ready" thing in 2013.
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I have some sympathy for the farmer who holds back beans to plant the next fall, because there are no soybeans that aren't roundup ready anymore, and roundup doesn't even work like it used to. Monsanto has made their money, and they should not be able to still be milking this "roundup ready" thing in 2013.
yeah, you will like those books.
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
and when he gets caught and sued for breech of contract, he will be one of those farmers that says really bad things about Monsanto. They have other options, but no, they chose to break the law. I feel no sympathy for them, similar to not feeling sympathy for somebody who gets a speeding ticket for driving 80 in 65. There are risks, but do what you want, just don't cry about getting caught.
apart from the legal risks, most farmers don't do this because you lose the homogeny of the GE cloned seed and your plants will have unpredictable properties from natural genetic variation. Probably not a big deal for soybeans, but if your wheat is growing at all different heights its a problem.
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In Mexico they shoot Monsanto representatives.
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dobbs leaves for awhile, comes back and whips Emo EMAW's ass.
Ya he rough ridin' sucker punched me!
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dobbs leaves for awhile, comes back and whips Emo EMAW's ass.
Ya he rough ridin' sucker punched me!
Sorry, friend! :cheers:
I am in the industry and have heard a few farmers bitch about it. Pisses me off. Monsanto made even the worst farmers good farmers with RR. The best farmers are probably the ones that should have the biggest beef with Monsanto. Monsanto leveled the playing field.
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Well one time I was driving with my relative and we drove by this wheat field that had a ton of weeds in it. He just shook his head and was like "Emo I don't even know how these guys are still in business, I just don't get it! :facepalm:"
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Is Monsanto the company that came up with that Roundup resistant soybean?
Someone I might be related to always holds back some beans in the fall to plan the next summer. You're not supposed to do that because you're supposed to buy their beans for seed and pay some "technology fee." He says eff that!
I think I know your relative, is his name EVERY FARMER ON THE ENTIRE PLANET?
I just blew snot out of my nose.
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Also pro-tip for dobbers: farmers bitch about everything. It's what you do when you can't control the variables that could make or break you.
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Everyone I've ever worked with at Monsanto has been great. And didn't their former CEO or something just become head of the FDA?
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Oh what's that? Imma invent a super crop that grows anywhere probably even mars? Don't mind if I do.
:dance:
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Clip from "Food, Inc"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1CJ7IEt0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1CJ7IEt0c)
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In Mexico they shoot Monsanto representatives.
My friend in KARL confirmed that small, indigenous and terrible farmers in Peru also hate them because they threaten their 900 kinds of potatoes. FACT.
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well, I don't think they should threaten their 900 kinds of potatos until I've had a chance to try them all and decide which ones I like.
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sorry for party rocking
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well, I don't think they should threaten their 900 kinds of potatos until I've had a chance to try them all and decide which ones I like.
They have cocktail potatoes!
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well, I don't think they should threaten their 900 kinds of potatos until I've had a chance to try them all and decide which ones I like.
They have cocktail potatoes!
why does monsanto hate them?
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well, I don't think they should threaten their 900 kinds of potatos until I've had a chance to try them all and decide which ones I like.
They have cocktail potatoes!
why does monsanto hate them?
I'm pretty sure Monsanto is making round up ready cocktail potatoes that will grow on the moon.
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In Mexico they shoot Monsanto representatives.
My friend in KARL confirmed that small, indigenous and terrible farmers in Peru also hate them because they threaten their 900 kinds of potatoes. FACT.
I don't know how widespread the violence in Mexico toward Monsanto is. I just know that my dad works with a guy that tried his hand at selling seed down there and it didn't turn out how he'd planned. Most of the time the guy had to take an alternate route from a prospect's farm because of the bullets flying in the general direction of his truck.
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THE DARK SIDE OF THE MOON!
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Did you guys know they were pioneers of super green LED light production?
Wow! What a company!
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In Mexico they shoot Monsanto representatives.
My friend in KARL confirmed that small, indigenous and terrible farmers in Peru also hate them because they threaten their 900 kinds of potatoes. FACT.
I don't know how widespread the violence in Mexico toward Monsanto is. I just know that my dad works with a guy that tried his hand at selling seed down there and it didn't turn out how he'd planned. Most of the time the guy had to take an alternate route from a prospect's farm because of the bullets flying in the general direction of his truck.
Well, it's pretty easy to get shot at in Mexico and land issues are extremely sensitive and volatile but most importantly that sounds made up.
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In Mexico they shoot Monsanto representatives.
My friend in KARL confirmed that small, indigenous and terrible farmers in Peru also hate them because they threaten their 900 kinds of potatoes. FACT.
I don't know how widespread the violence in Mexico toward Monsanto is. I just know that my dad works with a guy that tried his hand at selling seed down there and it didn't turn out how he'd planned. Most of the time the guy had to take an alternate route from a prospect's farm because of the bullets flying in the general direction of his truck.
Well, it's pretty easy to get shot at in Mexico and land issues are extremely sensitive and volatile but most importantly that sounds made up.
Well, dad does make alot of crap up.
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well, I don't think they should threaten their 900 kinds of potatos until I've had a chance to try them all and decide which ones I like.
They have cocktail potatoes!
why does monsanto hate them?
I'm pretty sure Monsanto is making round up ready cocktail potatoes that will grow on the moon.
Soon there won't be any potatoes but those roundup ready cocktail potatoes, though, and the roundup won't even kill the weeds! :shakesfist:
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tell them to do those purple potatos too.
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also tell them not to worry too much about kale because it needs to GTFOOMF already with its being in rough ridin' everything lately.
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
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also tell them not to worry too much about kale because it needs to GTFOOMF already with its being in rough ridin' everything lately.
Dem er Fightin words SD!
:love: :love: KALE :love: :love:
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tell them to do those purple potatos too.
On it. These Monsanto guys will have you growing purple potatoes the size of your head in a basement rock garden you can fumigate with that 50/50 mix of 245T and 24D your grandpa had stashed in the ol quonset out back in case of a bad season of thistles.
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RoundupReady Marijuana
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also tell them not to worry too much about kale because it needs to GTFOOMF already with its being in rough ridin' everything lately.
Dem er Fightin words SD!
:love: :love: KALE :love: :love:
I love Kale. I'm just rough ridin' done with it being on every menu 7 different ways.
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
That's like saying watch a movie about Arabs and they are all Palestinian. You know who makes movies? Well, not conservative farmers or Israelis.
But my god can you imagine if Monsanto made a movie?
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
That's like saying watch a movie about Arabs and they are all Palestinian. You know who makes movies? Well, not conservative farmers or Israelis.
But my god can you imagine if Monsanto made a movie?
Not vouching for the accuracy of the movies, but it will show some of the issues albeit one sidedly. And lord knows that shitty food documentaries are getting produced by the hundred anymore
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
That's like saying watch a movie about Arabs and they are all Palestinian. You know who makes movies? Well, not conservative farmers or Israelis.
But my god can you imagine if Monsanto made a movie?
BTW, meant to say also that only Palestinian type farmers watch documentaries.
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
That's like saying watch a movie about Arabs and they are all Palestinian. You know who makes movies? Well, not conservative farmers or Israelis.
But my god can you imagine if Monsanto made a movie?
I was always under the impression that Israelis made all the movies.
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sounds like we need to have a MONSANTOPAK where you guys can explain to me wtf you're talking about in this thread because it sounds somewhat interesting.
also: remember in the xfiles movie? think about that one for a while. hollywood has been on this stuff since day 1.
Watch any food documentary that focuses on farmers (not the ones that focus on how chickens die). They are all full of :shakesfist: MONSANTO!!!
That's like saying watch a movie about Arabs and they are all Palestinian. You know who makes movies? Well, not conservative farmers or Israelis.
But my god can you imagine if Monsanto made a movie?
I imagine it would look similar to this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KpeUZ0KJXjQ#t=122s
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Somebody post this on GPC. Could be break the internet.
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Clip from "Food, Inc"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1CJ7IEt0c (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2P1CJ7IEt0c)
THE BACKGROUND MUSIC!!! :ohno:
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I have some sympathy for the farmer who holds back beans to plant the next fall, because there are no soybeans that aren't roundup ready anymore, and roundup doesn't even work like it used to. Monsanto has made their money, and they should not be able to still be milking this "roundup ready" thing in 2013.
So once a company has recovered it's original investment, it is not allowed to make any more money?
Also, if you want to locate conventional soybean seed, try google.com. Ever heard of google.com, Nuts Kicked?
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I have some sympathy for the farmer who holds back beans to plant the next fall, because there are no soybeans that aren't roundup ready anymore, and roundup doesn't even work like it used to. Monsanto has made their money, and they should not be able to still be milking this "roundup ready" thing in 2013.
So once a company has recovered it's original investment, it is not allowed to make any more money?
Also, if you want to locate conventional soybean seed, try google.com. Ever heard of google.com, Nuts Kicked?
It has more than recovered its original investment, and its product doesn't really work as advertised any more. It's really a moot point, anyway, because Monsanto's patent on Roundup Ready 1 expires next year.
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The genetics that contain the RR1 trait won't expire. Those genetics are IP. The courts have established that. So, unless somebody has access to some very old and poorer performing genetics, the farmer will still not be able to legally save his seed. In reality, there are very few genetics that have the RR1 trait in them. Sure, some companies will likely split from Monsanto and start their own breeding programs with the RR1 trait, but those farmers will still not be able to legally save the seed, and it won't be Monsanto's fault.
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The genetics that contain the RR1 trait won't expire. Those genetics are IP. The courts have established that. So, unless somebody has access to some very old and poorer performing genetics, the farmer will still not be able to legally save his seed. In reality, there are very few genetics that have the RR1 trait in them. Sure, some companies will likely split from Monsanto and start their own breeding programs with the RR1 trait, but those farmers will still not be able to legally save the seed, and it won't be Monsanto's fault.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html)
Monsanto also said that after the patent expired it would allow farmers to save Roundup Ready 1 seeds from one year’s crop to plant the next. Monsanto said it would not enforce other patents that might protect those seeds.
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Has monsanto made any human/animal hybrids? seems like their bag. wonder what they made?
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The genetics that contain the RR1 trait won't expire. Those genetics are IP. The courts have established that. So, unless somebody has access to some very old and poorer performing genetics, the farmer will still not be able to legally save his seed. In reality, there are very few genetics that have the RR1 trait in them. Sure, some companies will likely split from Monsanto and start their own breeding programs with the RR1 trait, but those farmers will still not be able to legally save the seed, and it won't be Monsanto's fault.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html)
Monsanto also said that after the patent expired it would allow farmers to save Roundup Ready 1 seeds from one year’s crop to plant the next. Monsanto said it would not enforce other patents that might protect those seeds.
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I really think this country should start passing laws preventing awful practices like not allowing farmers to save their seed anyway. Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage. As long as the farmer is not saving the seed to try to sell a competing product to Monsanto, I really don't see the problem with allowing somebody to replant their field with a crop they harvested from it.
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Back on topic...if it weren't for Monsanto, they'd probably shut down Lambert Field, amirite? How many other companies are solely responsible for keeping a horrible airport open?
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The genetics that contain the RR1 trait won't expire. Those genetics are IP. The courts have established that. So, unless somebody has access to some very old and poorer performing genetics, the farmer will still not be able to legally save his seed. In reality, there are very few genetics that have the RR1 trait in them. Sure, some companies will likely split from Monsanto and start their own breeding programs with the RR1 trait, but those farmers will still not be able to legally save the seed, and it won't be Monsanto's fault.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html)
Monsanto also said that after the patent expired it would allow farmers to save Roundup Ready 1 seeds from one year’s crop to plant the next. Monsanto said it would not enforce other patents that might protect those seeds.
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
Monsanto would still be one of the world's most profitable companies even if they allowed farmers to clean their seed and replant it. There would still be plenty of motivation, if not more than there is today, for innovation.
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
Monsanto would still be one of the world's most profitable companies even if they allowed farmers to clean their seed and replant it. There would still be plenty of motivation, if not more than there is today, for innovation.
they aren't going to invest the kind of money they currently are in innovation when they can't see the profits they currently do. same whith pharma. yeah, you can argue that life saving drugs should be available for everyone but nobody is going to create them without the incentive of being able to cash in. and I was agreeing that being able to patent genetics is probably not a good idea.
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The genetics that contain the RR1 trait won't expire. Those genetics are IP. The courts have established that. So, unless somebody has access to some very old and poorer performing genetics, the farmer will still not be able to legally save his seed. In reality, there are very few genetics that have the RR1 trait in them. Sure, some companies (THIS MEANS COMPANIES THAT ARE NOT MONSANTO, SO THEY CAN STILL CLAIM IP ON THE TRAITS) will likely split from Monsanto and start their own breeding programs with the RR1 trait, but those farmers will still not be able to legally save the seed, and it won't be Monsanto's fault.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html (http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/18/business/18seed.html)
Monsanto also said that after the patent expired it would allow farmers to save Roundup Ready 1 seeds from one year’s crop to plant the next. Monsanto said it would not enforce other patents (other companies still can) that might protect those seeds.
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
I agree with this, up until the global govt. part. :ohno:
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
Monsanto would still be one of the world's most profitable companies even if they allowed farmers to clean their seed and replant it. There would still be plenty of motivation, if not more than there is today, for innovation.
they aren't going to invest the kind of money they currently are in innovation when they can't see the profits they currently do. same whith pharma. yeah, you can argue that life saving drugs should be available for everyone but nobody is going to create them without the incentive of being able to cash in. and I was agreeing that being able to patent genetics is probably not a good idea.
How much return on investment would Monsanto lose by allowing farmers to clean their seed and replant it? It seems to me like farmers would still have to supplement their seed with Monsanto seed, the harvested seed would be a less pure, therefore inferior product, and losses would be pretty small, but large enough to motivate Monsanto to engineer the next big thing in a shorter time frame than the current patent window. I'm probably wrong, though. :dunno:
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Being able to enforce a patent on a genetic trait is just garbage.
I agree with this. Slippery slope. But, where would the innovation come from? Will be much easier to argue for govt. funding of the research once our global govt. is in place.
Monsanto would still be one of the world's most profitable companies even if they allowed farmers to clean their seed and replant it. There would still be plenty of motivation, if not more than there is today, for innovation.
they aren't going to invest the kind of money they currently are in innovation when they can't see the profits they currently do. same whith pharma. yeah, you can argue that life saving drugs should be available for everyone but nobody is going to create them without the incentive of being able to cash in. and I was agreeing that being able to patent genetics is probably not a good idea.
How much return on investment would Monsanto lose by allowing farmers to clean their seed and replant it? It seems to me like farmers would still have to supplement their seed with Monsanto seed, the harvested seed would be a less pure, therefore inferior product, and losses would be pretty small, but large enough to motivate Monsanto to engineer the next big thing in a shorter time frame than the current patent window. I'm probably wrong, though. :dunno:
I have no rough ridin' clue. I'm not in the industry and am basically just posting stuff that my brain thought up on its own. I didn't even know monsanto was the company responsible for roundup ready or whatever until this thread. then that made me google that book I read. which led to a blog post about monsanto being the company portrayed in the book.
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The purity is fine on saved soybean seed. It wouldn't likely be a problem for several years.
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The purity is fine on saved soybean seed. It wouldn't likely be a problem for several years.
Couldn't Monsanto counteract that by mixing 2 different varieties of roundup ready seed into the same bag? It seems like the biggest problem they have is homogeneity in the field making the resulting seed too similar to the parent. Instead of having nearly 100% of the parent's genetic traits, this would make the resulting seed have anywhere from 25% to 100% of the parent traits. Again, I'm not really in this industry, so I'm probably wrong.
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
It's a very slippery slope. Do you apply that to genetically engineered livestock, as well? If a company were to start creating cloned cows, should their buyers have to start sending back any calves that those cows produce?
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what happens when they cross-pollinate with other non-patented plants? or is this one of those kinds that can't pollinate or whatever?
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Guys, humanity as we know it will be destroyed within 100 years, live it up while you can :dance:
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what happens when they cross-pollinate with other non-patented plants? or is this one of those kinds that can't pollinate or whatever?
Sue their asses off.
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
It's a very slippery slope. Do you apply that to genetically engineered livestock, as well? If a company were to start creating cloned cows, should their buyers have to start sending back any calves that those cows produce?
Did they create the bulls, too? Then probably.
I think the slippery slope is more slippery if you don't let them patent it.
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
It's a very slippery slope. Do you apply that to genetically engineered livestock, as well? If a company were to start creating cloned cows, should their buyers have to start sending back any calves that those cows produce?
Did they create the bulls, too? Then probably.
I think the slippery slope is more slippery if you don't let them patent it.
You shouldn't be able to patent nature.
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what happens when they cross-pollinate with other non-patented plants? or is this one of those kinds that can't pollinate or whatever?
Sue their asses off.
Apparently so.
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-4048288.html (http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-18563_162-4048288.html)
The Runyons say they signed no agreements, and if they were contaminated with the genetically modified seed, it blew over from a neighboring farm.
"Pollination occurs, wind drift occurs. There's just no way to keep their products from landing in our fields," David said.
"What Monsanto is doing across the country is often, and according to farmers, trespassing even, on their land, examining their crops and trying to find some of their patented crops," said Andrew Kimbrell, with the Center For Food Safety. "And if they do, they sue those farmers for their entire crop."
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Monsanto is just the stem cell research of starving people.
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farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway? :lol:
wheat? check.
corn? love it.
peas? sometimes.
potatoes? always.
carrots? if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce? yup.
cucumber? maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers? yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes? in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.
soybeans? i have never seen them one time on a menu.
/thread
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The problem is starving dudes just don't have the same POP.
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farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway? :lol:
wheat? check.
corn? love it.
peas? sometimes.
potatoes? always.
carrots? if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce? yup.
cucumber? maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers? yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes? in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.
soybeans? i have never seen them one time on a menu.
/thread
Doesn't elite diner pissclams like to get some edamame at Kona? :love:
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
It's a very slippery slope. Do you apply that to genetically engineered livestock, as well? If a company were to start creating cloned cows, should their buyers have to start sending back any calves that those cows produce?
Did they create the bulls, too? Then probably.
I think the slippery slope is more slippery if you don't let them patent it.
You shouldn't be able to patent nature.
That's absurd on a number of levels. First of all, calling roundup-ready soybeans "nature" is a bit of a stretch but just calling for a blanket ban on "nature" patents makes no sense.
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Nuts Kicked :thumbs:
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
It's a very slippery slope. Do you apply that to genetically engineered livestock, as well? If a company were to start creating cloned cows, should their buyers have to start sending back any calves that those cows produce?
Did they create the bulls, too? Then probably.
I think the slippery slope is more slippery if you don't let them patent it.
You shouldn't be able to patent nature.
That's absurd on a number of levels. First of all, calling roundup-ready soybeans "nature" is a bit of a stretch but just calling for a blanket ban on "nature" patents makes no sense.
The offspring of those roundup-ready soybeans are produced naturally. If they carry so much of the same traits as their parents that they can be replanted the next year and not die when you spray them with roundup, then that's a failure on Monsanto's level in making all of the parent seeds exact clones of each other.
It only gets more complicated when you start applying the same logic to genetically engineered meats, which are FDA-approved and should be on the market soon, btw. Monsanto should have control over the parents, not the offspring.
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is it selective breeding that makes this stuff or do they chop up the DNA and make it different or whatever?
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Monsanto is just the stem cell research of starving people.
I think of it as Monsanto the Rockefeller of biotechnology.
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is it selective breeding that makes this stuff or do they chop up the DNA and make it different or whatever?
I think it is a little bit of both. Dobber might know. :dunno:
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farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway? :lol:
wheat? check.
corn? love it.
peas? sometimes.
potatoes? always.
carrots? if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce? yup.
cucumber? maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers? yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes? in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.
soybeans? i have never seen them one time on a menu.
/thread
Doesn't elite diner pissclams like to get some edamame at Kona? :love:
kona sucks
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farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway? :lol:
wheat? check.
corn? love it.
peas? sometimes.
potatoes? always.
carrots? if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce? yup.
cucumber? maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers? yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes? in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.
soybeans? i have never seen them one time on a menu.
/thread
Doesn't elite diner pissclams like to get some edamame at Kona? :love:
kona sucks
they have a few good appetizers. be cool man.
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Gene insertion is what we are discussing with regards to RR. With base genetics, that is cross pollinating, but can also be insertion.
Did you know it is illegal to buy hybrid roses and then propagate and sell them?
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
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because I have a million dollar idea if so (grey and white cat with powercat colorations bred in)
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
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farmer's fault for using the mansanto seeds in the first place, and by the way, i've asked this a million times but who eats soybeans anyway? :lol:
wheat? check.
corn? love it.
peas? sometimes.
potatoes? always.
carrots? if i'm drunk at dinner and find one on my plate.
lettuce? yup.
cucumber? maybe one slice per year in a drink.
peppers? yup.
onion? yes please.
tomatoes? in salsa and ketchup and pizza sauce.
soybeans? i have never seen them one time on a menu.
/thread
Doesn't elite diner pissclams like to get some edamame at Kona? :love:
kona sucks
they have a few good appetizers. be cool man.
no they don't. unless you're a poors.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
Liberty Link soybeans have been available for a few years. MGI tolerant soybeans are being developed and will hit the market in the next 5 years are so. There is a great deal of innovation in agriculture, largely due to the opportunity to make money and the ground breaking changes that Monsanto began in the 1990's. We need to feed a large and growing population with limited natural resources. Monsanto is one of the companies that will make it possible.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
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I think the idea that improved varieties and chemicals from Monsanto are going to end world hunger is laughable. We are going to continue to lose growing acres and non-renewable water.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
He will have to sell them to Chinese restaurants for food! :ohno:
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.
I agree. Why can't farmers just hire illegal immigrants to pick the weeds out of their fields? That seems a whole lot better for everyone.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
He will have to sell them to Chinese restaurants for food! :ohno:
They are just clones, anyway. They don't even have souls.
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I think the idea that improved varieties and chemicals from Monsanto are going to end world hunger is laughable. We are going to continue to lose growing acres and non-renewable water.
Drought tolerance genes. Yield enhancement genes. Nitrogen efficiency genes. These are real things that will all likely be available by the end of this decade. Use your imagination, that is what companies like Monsanto are doing. Also, Monsanto is not working on improved chemicals, other companies are.
As to the laughable part, are you suggesting that companies like Monsanto are not responsible for this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Featingacademy.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2FUS-corn-yields-for-150-years.jpg&hash=8c7e392825546502d4cc816699e2ba6cfebed993)
I get that you don't like Monsanto. I don't love them, but they are a great American company and the technology that they have developed in agriculture will help to feed a growing world.
What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
Liberty Link soybeans have been available for a few years. MGI tolerant soybeans are being developed and will hit the market in the next 5 years are so. There is a great deal of innovation in agriculture, largely due to the opportunity to make money and the ground breaking changes that Monsanto began in the 1990's. We need to feed a large and growing population with limited natural resources. Monsanto is one of the companies that will make it possible.
I agree completely! Monsanto puts their money where their mouth is. That always can't be said for DuPont.
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What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?
I think your argument was really good until here
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What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?
I think your argument was really good until here
Is it because I said "world" instead of "population"? Otherwise, you have lost me.
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Drought tolerance genes. Yield enhancement genes. Nitrogen efficiency genes. These are real things that will all likely be available by the end of this decade. Use your imagination, that is what companies like Monsanto are doing. Also, Monsanto is not working on improved chemicals, other companies are.
As to the laughable part, are you suggesting that companies like Monsanto are not responsible for this:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Featingacademy.com%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2012%2F02%2FUS-corn-yields-for-150-years.jpg&hash=8c7e392825546502d4cc816699e2ba6cfebed993)
I get that you don't like Monsanto. I don't love them, but they are a great American company and the technology that they have developed in agriculture will help to feed a growing world.
What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?
Didn't Monsanto invent DDT and Roundup? I know they own and sell Roundup.
Of course Monsanto has helped improve agricultural production. The reality is that there are going to be less acres in production moving forward, though, and overall agricultural production is going to decline regardless of what Monsanto does. If we can't solve world hunger today, we certainly aren't going to solve it in the future with fewer resources.
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What do you think the answer to feeding a growing world is?
I think your argument was really good until here
Monsanto should hire ol Dobs to respond to all the requests for interviews they otherwise decline. Hey Dobber, if you love Monsanto so much, why don't you gay marry it? (Also, Monsanto gives ISU a crap load of money so they're clearly pretty stupid.)
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Yes, Monsanto did invent several chemicals. They just aren't working on them any more. Their R&D $ are invested in seeds and traits.
EDIT: When I say "working on them", I mean that they are not developing new chemicals. They do try to develop new delivery methods for glyphosate.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
Dog Breeders already have spay/neuter contracts in place, which is basically the same as the agreement farmers that purchase Roundup ready seed sign. If you don't want to sign you can buy somewhere else.
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.
Disagree, I think the future is going to be pretty baller.
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Dicamba and 2,4-D resistant soybeans are already here, just not readily available. Along with the RR 2 Yield trait technology it will give farmers a great way to fight resistant weeds in soybeans.
Unfortunately, in 10 years (or less) there may be "super weeds" that can't be taken care of chemically. But by that time the next silver bullet will be horizon. A vicious circle unfortunately.
yeah, this crap is scary. like freaks that abuse antibiotics and the rest of us die from drug resistant stuff that we could normally fight off or just take a couple amoxicillan for the second times in our lives to get over. nope, you have the drug resistant freakshow staff infection you got when you got your wisdom tooth out.
Disagree, I think the future is going to be pretty baller.
I know, right? What is going on with all these agricultural Luddites?
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
Dog Breeders already have spay/neuter contracts in place, which is basically the same as the agreement farmers that purchase Roundup ready seed sign. If you don't want to sign you can buy somewhere else.
Usually the spay/neuter contracts are for "pet quality" animals only, those that don't exhibit desired qualities for the breeders pedigree. If you pay full price for a registered dog, you can generally breed them if you choose. Also, some breeders want them spayed/neutered for overpopulation purposes.
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I like the word bushel. And acre.
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Ranchers sell bulls and retain some/all semen rights.
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Can you selectively breed cats and patent your boss cat gene?
I don't see why you can't. You can even go trespass on people's property that you sell them to and then sue the crap out of them if they don't give you any kittens those cats have free of charge.
Not a good analogy. Farmers are just not permitted to save the seed and replant it. They can sell it, and it is expected that they will. Having to give away million dollar gpc kitties for free would suck balls.
The analogy is fine because Monsanto sells seed to farmers to put on the field. Farmers cannot replant their harvest or sell their seeds to other farmers for planting. Steve dave wants to sell Wildcat kittens to families as pets. Those families cannot use those kittens to make additional pets. They probably aren't even allowed to resell their kitten if they don't like it unless steve dave gives them a license to.
In this case, the owners aren't allowed to sell those kittens or even make them. How is steve dave supposed to cash in on his patent if everyone he sells his cats to starts breeding them?
Dog Breeders already have spay/neuter contracts in place, which is basically the same as the agreement farmers that purchase Roundup ready seed sign. If you don't want to sign you can buy somewhere else.
Monsanto has sued farmers who have signed no such agreement. Those farmers claim that there were a few of Monsanto's plants on their field because the seed blew over from their neighbors' fields. Should Monsanto own the rights to cross-pollinated plants? Because right now they do. If we can genetically engineer plants to not die when sprayed with pesticide why can't we genetically alter those plants so that that gene is recessive and its offspring may or may not carry the gene? That would make the saved seeds worthless from a "roundup ready" perspective, unless farmers think it's a good idea to kill half of their field when they spray it with Roundup. It would save a whole lot of ethical conversation and hassle on Monsanto's end.
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Ranchers sell bulls and retain some/all semen rights.
That is only the same if they own the rights to every cow in that bull's family tree from this day forward.
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Monsanto has sued farmers who have signed no such agreement. Those farmers claim that there were a few of Monsanto's plants on their field because the seed blew over from their neighbors' fields. Should Monsanto own the rights to cross-pollinated plants? Because right now they do. If we can genetically engineer plants to not die when sprayed with pesticide why can't we genetically alter those plants so that that gene is recessive and its offspring may or may not carry the gene? That would make the saved seeds worthless from a "roundup ready" perspective, unless farmers think it's a good idea to kill half of their field when they spray it with Roundup. It would save a whole lot of ethical conversation and hassle on Monsanto's end.
Yeah, those farmers are liars and therefore all lost. The crops they were growing weren't really "cross pollinated".
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Monsanto has sued farmers who have signed no such agreement. Those farmers claim that there were a few of Monsanto's plants on their field because the seed blew over from their neighbors' fields. Should Monsanto own the rights to cross-pollinated plants? Because right now they do. If we can genetically engineer plants to not die when sprayed with pesticide why can't we genetically alter those plants so that that gene is recessive and its offspring may or may not carry the gene? That would make the saved seeds worthless from a "roundup ready" perspective, unless farmers think it's a good idea to kill half of their field when they spray it with Roundup. It would save a whole lot of ethical conversation and hassle on Monsanto's end.
Yeah, those farmers are liars and therefore all lost. The crops they were growing weren't really "cross pollinated".
Most of them settle because they claim they do not have the financial resources to battle Monsanto, but yeah, I'm sure most of them are also liars. I just believe that Monsanto should find a way to genetically engineer a crop that basically produces commodity seed. I don't like the idea of owning patents on genetics, mainly because the enforcement is just ridiculous and is only going to get worse with genetically engineered meats.
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Terminator gene. They almost certainly have it. I think the farming community at large was opposed to such a gene in the field.
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Terminator gene. They almost certainly have it. I think the farming community at large was opposed to such a gene in the field.
Why would they be opposed to that? It seems like it would protect everybody.
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Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
they didn't create it, they moved it from one place to another.
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I like the word bushel. And acre.
And peck
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DNR
So otherwise no.
Sorry if disagree. 'Ers.
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What's better about Monsanto? Feeding poors who hate them or making horrible antediluvian potatoes palatable?
Obviously that's a trick question but WTF incas it took you forever to selectively cultivate non-toxic potatoes!
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What about the bees? I am all :ohno: of bees and will die if stung, but I guess we need them and stuff. Isn't Monsanto killing the bees!!!!
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What about the bees? I am all :ohno: of bees and will die if stung, but I guess we need them and stuff. Isn't Monsanto killing the bees!!!!
Bees are more important than people realize
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You tards realize that selective breeding and genetically modifying are two completely different things, right? Breeding cats and rough ridin' with corn DNA are not quite the same.
Why shouldn't they be able to patent a genetic trait they created?
they didn't create it, they moved it from one place to another.
More like they moved it from one species to another, as is the case with BT Corn. And when the patent expires Monsanto just moves that gene to another part of the genome and gets a new patent. They're unstoppable.
Monsanto is a necessary evil, imo. We can't feed the world with organically grown food only, and that's where Monsanto comes in with Round up Ready everything (corn, soybeans, cotton, etc). Of course other companies use GMO like Pioneer. Basically everything you eat nowadays has been altered in a lab in some way.
Make no mistake though...Monsanto has an awful reputation over the decades. Polluting entire communities and suing farmers that replant their seeds because they get to benefit from another crop year of their "patented" genetics. On the other hand though farmers have made a lot of money with Monsanto's help due to increased yields...so it is what it is I guess.
Should also mention that super weeds, insects, and bacteria are now an issue...decreasing yields in some places, but Monsanto will find a way since their so damn huge and stuff. Shouldn't hurt them at all.
Just 2 cents from an elite KSU College of Ag grad.
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is it selective breeding that makes this stuff or do they chop up the DNA and make it different or whatever?
I think it is a little bit of both. Dobber might know. :dunno:
I've worked in selective breeding before. They are not even remotely the same. Selective breeding is basically where people get to play Hitler, and only "select" the plants that they want to move on to the next generation. This is done by selecting physical attributes including height, color, disease resistance, seed yield, etc. It's sort of like human controlled nature I guess. Same way we breed dogs and cats.
GMO is sort of like "chopping up" DNA or whatever in the sense that they are able to transplant genes from other species to fight off invasive insects, molds, bacteria, chemicals (round up) etc.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
You're a conspiracy theory
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
You're a conspiracy theory
Unsubstantiated post.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
Wild population swings in bees is not uncommon.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
Wild population swings in bees is not uncommon.
Do you have some type of study to back that claim up? The current decline seems pretty dramatic.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
Wild population swings in bees is not uncommon.
Do you have some type of study to back that claim up? The current decline seems pretty dramatic.
Just anecdotal conversations with the proprietor of the largest apiary in California. :dunno:
It does stand to reason. Other insects (like grasshoppers for example) have dramatic boom and bust years. I know there are state agencies that track that sort of thing and data should be available. They track them by like grasshoppers/square yard.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
Wild population swings in bees is not uncommon.
Do you have some type of study to back that claim up? The current decline seems pretty dramatic.
Just anecdotal conversations with the proprietor of the largest apiary in California. :dunno:
It does stand to reason. Other insects (like grasshoppers for example) have dramatic boom and bust years. I know there are state agencies that track that sort of thing and data should be available. They track them by like grasshoppers/square yard.
I bet a job counting grasshoppers is very rewarding.
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The whole bee thing is a stupid conspiracy theory, anyway.
It's not a conspiracy at all, actually. There really are a whole lot less bees than there used to be. They are making a slow comeback, though. Maybe Monsanto's Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready bees, just like they are weeds.
Wild population swings in bees is not uncommon.
Do you have some type of study to back that claim up? The current decline seems pretty dramatic.
Just anecdotal conversations with the proprietor of the largest apiary in California. :dunno:
It does stand to reason. Other insects (like grasshoppers for example) have dramatic boom and bust years. I know there are state agencies that track that sort of thing and data should be available. They track them by like grasshoppers/square yard.
I bet a job counting grasshoppers is very rewarding.
Probably grad students.
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I bet those grad students just go out and see tons of grasshoppers bzzdeliking around and then just say there are about 2000 in this field and go get some beers. How would you ever keep track of the 'hoppers you've already counted?
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Stop it NK! :shakesfist:
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http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-congress-silently-slips-830/
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http://rt.com/usa/monsanto-congress-silently-slips-830/
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holy crap :facepalm:
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
If it were a lie, Monsanto wouldn't be making Dicamba Ready beans. Roundup is going to be worthless soon.
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
If it were a lie, Monsanto wouldn't be making Dicamba Ready beans. Roundup is going to be worthless soon.
A dose by any other name...
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-21741651
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I liked the part where they called killing a bee "shocking".
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
If it were a lie, Monsanto wouldn't be making Dicamba Ready beans. Roundup is going to be worthless soon.
Ummm, atrazine just called and said, "doubtful".
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
If it were a lie, Monsanto wouldn't be making Dicamba Ready beans. Roundup is going to be worthless soon.
Ummm, atrazine just called and said, "doubtful".
Atrazine has flaws also.
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Roundup Ready legislation! :love:
It's only going to create Roundup Ready hippies in the long run.
More like roundup ready capitalism. Hippies are weeds.
Yeah, that was the joke, which I guess wasn't funny since I'm having to explain it :frown:. Haven't you heard the phrase "Roundup Ready seeds are creating Roundup Ready weeds?"
Sounds like a hippie lie
If it were a lie, Monsanto wouldn't be making Dicamba Ready beans. Roundup is going to be worthless soon.
Ummm, atrazine just called and said, "doubtful".
Atrazine has flaws also.
That is my point. Approximately 50 weeds have developed tolerance or resistance to atrazine. Most of that tolerance/resistance has been around for over 20 years. Even then, atrazine in some form is still used in well over half of all pre-emerge corn herbicide programs.
Similarly, weed resistance to Roundup will not make Roundup worthless. It will still be a key part of agriculture for the next 20 years.
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Given enough time, evolution will always prevail, dobber.
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Given enough time, evolution will always prevail, dobber.
That seems like a completely different point, and one that I do not argue against.
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http://ht.ly/nqRpe
(about bees).