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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Belvis Noland on February 20, 2013, 08:53:58 AM
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Alright, who's got the scoop on the massive Hunan Express building on the east end of Aggieville?
Primarily, why is the facade cinderblock? No brick, like every other building in Aggieville. surely, cinderblock isn't the finished product?
Also, noticed they had a bunch of guys working on the roof Monday night. rooftop patio?
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
Wow. don't these things have to proceed through the city council before permits are awarded? How the eff does a cinderblock building make it through...
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I don't think it looks bad at all. Hunam looks cool. There are plenty of dogshit looking bldgs in aggieville, its not like there is some unified design.
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
Wow. don't these things have to proceed through the city council before permits are awarded? How the eff does a cinderblock building make it through...
Belvis, I don't disagree that a red brick building would have fit into the context of the aggieville street-scape more...
But to say that every building decision should pass through the city council for approval is a little ridiculous and quite frankly fascist. Not to mention the fact that the built environment is an ever changing and evolving patch work of different looking buildings. Aggieville is not mayberry or mainstreet, usa.
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I don't think it looks bad at all. Hunam looks cool. There are plenty of dogshit looking bldgs in aggieville, its not like there is some unified design.
The ground level on Moro looks alright, but the cinderblock facade is a disaster. There is, generally a unified brick design in Aggieville.
I was reading through the Minutes regarding the N. Manhattan Hotel that's being built on Bluemont/Manhattan and the City Council was adamant that they incorporate the limestone from Campus and the brick from Aggieville, so that it melded the two areas. Oddly, nowhere did CC mention incorporating exposed cinderblock. That 4-story residential building looks like crap w/o a brick/stone facade, unless it's a Section 8 project.
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
Wow. don't these things have to proceed through the city council before permits are awarded? How the eff does a cinderblock building make it through...
Belvis, I don't disagree that a red brick building would have fit into the context of the aggieville street-scape more...
But to say that every building decision should pass through the city council for approval is a little ridiculous and quite frankly fascist. Not to mention the fact that the built environment is an ever changing and evolving patch work of different looking buildings. Aggieville is not mayberry or mainstreet, usa.
Well that is pretty much how most cities work. If that is facist then, well...
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I don't think it looks bad at all. Hunam looks cool. There are plenty of dogshit looking bldgs in aggieville, its not like there is some unified design.
The ground level on Moro looks alright, but the cinderblock facade is a disaster. There is, generally a unified brick design in Aggieville.
I was reading through the Minutes regarding the N. Manhattan Hotel that's being built on Bluemont/Manhattan and the City Council was adamant that they incorporate the limestone from Campus and the brick from Aggieville, so that it melded the two areas. Oddly, nowhere did CC mention incorporating exposed cinderblock. That 4-story residential building looks like crap w/o a brick/stone facade, unless it's a Section 8 project.
I guess I can agree with that. The chain link over the stairwells and balconies really drives home the projekts theme.
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But to say that every building decision should pass through the city council for approval is a little ridiculous and quite frankly fascist.
Rightly or wrongly, the project has to obtain permits through the City and, accordingly, is subject to scrutiny. In a destination district like Aggieville, I would expect a little higher level scrutiny.
I'm not saying they need to clad it in marble. I'm just a little surprised cinderblock got the thumbs up.
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There are quite a few buildings with non brick facades, especially on the north side of Moro (O'Malley's, Pat's, everything west of Johnny KKKaws, some others.) Also, the last time google did a street view update on Moro, Daylight Donuts was open.
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
Been dreaming of one of these in the ville for a long long time.
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They need to combine wabash and hunan specials. like order 15 drinks and get a free buffet next door
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They need to combine wabash and hunan specials. like order 15 drinks and get a free buffet next door
Underrated Aggieville deal: $2 domestic bottles at Hunam.
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Kevin Chen, the owner of Hunam, built and owns the building that houses Hunam, the apartments behind/above it, and the bar next door which will be called Wabash. Wabash will have a rooftop patio, and until we saw them removing it at the pre-pak on Saturday, there was a sign on the front that said "Wabash: coming in February." I doubt they will be open that soon, but I'd imagine they are trying pretty hard to be open for Fake Pat's. I believe that the current facade is indeed the permanent facade.
Wow. don't these things have to proceed through the city council before permits are awarded? How the eff does a cinderblock building make it through...
Belvis, I don't disagree that a red brick building would have fit into the context of the aggieville street-scape more...
But to say that every building decision should pass through the city council for approval is a little ridiculous and quite frankly fascist. Not to mention the fact that the built environment is an ever changing and evolving patch work of different looking buildings. Aggieville is not mayberry or mainstreet, usa.
Well that is pretty much how most cities work. If that is facist then, well...
Not true. They usually pass through the city's building department for code review for a building permit, which is to say they are reviewed for health, safety and welfare... not aesthetics. Usually aesthetics are only reviewed for historic considerations, which the demolished building that was here was not. The city, in most cases, cannot tell you what your building should look like.
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There are quite a few buildings with non brick facades, especially on the north side of Moro (O'Malley's, Pat's, everything west of Johnny KKKaws, some others.) Also, the last time google did a street view update on Moro, Daylight Donuts was open.
Basically, the entirety of Moro, between Manhattan and 11th, is brick. A few buildings, scattered throughout, use some other cladding. O'Malley's (wood), Dusty Bookshelf (brick/limestone). Pat's is actually painted brick, I think.
All new construction has been brick - Tasty China House and the Wahoo Fire and Ice building.
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Not true. They usually pass through the city's building department for code review for a building permit, which is to say they are reviewed for health, safety and welfare... not aesthetics. Usually aesthetics are only reviewed for historic considerations, which the demolished building that was here was not. The city, in most cases, cannot tell you what your building should look like.
The City can kill a project if it doesn't comport with the guidelines set out in the aggieville master plan. aesthetic or otherwise. again, the aesthetics of the N.Manhattan hotel were heavily scrutinized prior to approval. The Hunan Express project is in the footprint of the Campus Edge masterplan and shouldn've been subject to the same level of scrutiny.
"The Aggieville - Campus Edge District Plan supplements the Manhattan Urban Area Comprehensive Plan and provides more focused and specific guidance for the location, type, and design of private development within the campus edge redevelopment area and the Aggieville commercial district. The Future Land Use Map contained in the Aggieville - Campus Edge District Plan is used in conjunction with the written goals, principles, and policy recommendations contained in the district plan to guide decision making and when considering redevelopment proposals in the area." http://www.cityofmhk.com/index.aspx?NID=498
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campus edge master plan:
http://www.cityofmhk.com/DocumentCenter/Home/View/791
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usually a city planning commission would review the building design which would include any aesthetic concerns. if there is any issue, the final approval decision may get punted to the main council for their final review.
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
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I think belvis has a bright future ahead of him being an angry Mhk townie. Bob Strawn will have a bear to deal with in 10 years.
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I think belvis has a bright future ahead of him being an angry Mhk townie. Bob Strawn will have a bear to deal with in 10 years.
aaaaawww yeeeeeaaah
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I think belvis has a bright future ahead of him being an angry Mhk townie. Bob Strawn will have a bear to deal with in 10 years.
aaaaawww yeeeeeaaah
Show of hands, do people like the new design of the West Side at BSFS? Would you like it as much if it were made of wood? Or cinderblocks?
Right, probably not. because it would look like crap. And every time you went to a football game, you'd probably say to yourself, hmmmm, that building looks like crap.
That's me in this thread. But, instead of BSFS, I'm talking about a 4 story project (literally a housing project) in the middle of Aggieville.
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I think belvis has a bright future ahead of him being an angry Mhk townie. Bob Strawn will have a bear to deal with in 10 years.
aaaaawww yeeeeeaaah
bncats?
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Maybe this is the city taking a shot at aggieville and showing it how much the city hates it. Trash Orgies? = Cinderblocks approved!!!!!
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
As always, great perspective.
Architectural review for planning and zoning is on the whole very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Just build what you want, where you want, no matter what it looks like and no matter how well it is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric. If it sucks ass, the next guy will fix it.
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i think the "housing project" looks fine.
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I think belvis has a bright future ahead of him being an angry Mhk townie. Bob Strawn will have a bear to deal with in 10 years.
aaaaawww yeeeeeaaah
Show of hands, do people like the new design of the West Side at BSFS? Would you like it as much if it were made of wood? Or cinderblocks?
Right, probably not. because it would look like crap. And every time you went to a football game, you'd probably say to yourself, hmmmm, that building looks like crap.
That's me in this thread. But, instead of BSFS, I'm talking about a 4 story project (literally a housing project) in the middle of Aggieville.
I think people griping about the look of a building they actually donated money toward is much more valid than their gripes about how somebody's self-funded business looks.
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
As always, great perspective.
Architectural review for planning and zoning is on the whole very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Just build what you want, where you want, no matter what it looks like and no matter how well it is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric. If it sucks ass, the next guy will fix it.
Well, yeah, people doing what they want usually turns out for the best.
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You know what's going to look like complete ass next year? That hospital across the street from our new badass stadium facade. Maybe the city should contact them and make them put up some limestone towers or something.
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I'm sure there are other places that have people who are so concerned with stuff like this, but I've never encountered it anywhere else.
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You know what's going to look like complete ass next year? That hospital across the street from our new badass stadium facade. Maybe the city should contact them and make them put up some limestone towers or something.
Well, that's a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) example, but you already knew that. :facepalm:
but, for instance, say that very same hospital said, "ya know what? we're not going to have windows or fire escapes." What's wrong with that?
Or, what if the hospital was made of corrugated metal? and the developer said eff the landscaping and just left the entire 10 acre parcel as a dirt? I guess you wouldn't have a legitimate gripe because the hospital was privately funded?
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I'm sure there are other places that have people who are so concerned with stuff like this, but I've never encountered it anywhere else.
Trust me, there is a crazy bizarro-world where people actually care about architecture and design.
In fact, if you walk over to Seaton Hall or the Engineering complex, you may just meet some of these whacky people.
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You know what's going to look like complete ass next year? That hospital across the street from our new badass stadium facade. Maybe the city should contact them and make them put up some limestone towers or something.
Well, that's a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) example, but you already knew that. :facepalm:
but, for instance, say that very same hospital said, "ya know what? we're not going to have windows or fire escapes." What's wrong with that?
Or, what if the hospital was made of corrugated metal? and the developer said eff the landscaping and just left the entire 10 acre parcel as a dirt? I guess you wouldn't have a legitimate gripe because the hospital was privately funded?
both of those things would be illegal and has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
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You know what's going to look like complete ass next year? That hospital across the street from our new badass stadium facade. Maybe the city should contact them and make them put up some limestone towers or something.
Well, that's a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) example, but you already knew that. :facepalm:
but, for instance, say that very same hospital said, "ya know what? we're not going to have windows or fire escapes." What's wrong with that?
Or, what if the hospital was made of corrugated metal? and the developer said eff the landscaping and just left the entire 10 acre parcel as a dirt? I guess you wouldn't have a legitimate gripe because the hospital was privately funded?
Let's just thank God the City of Manhattan stepped in and stopped that hospital from constructing their building out of corrugated metal. :lol:
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
As always, great perspective.
Architectural review for planning and zoning is on the whole very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Just build what you want, where you want, no matter what it looks like and no matter how well it is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric. If it sucks ass, the next guy will fix it.
Well, yeah, people doing what they want usually turns out for the best.
Totally.
If it doesn't work out the next guy will fix it.
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
As always, great perspective.
Architectural review for planning and zoning is on the whole very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Just build what you want, where you want, no matter what it looks like and no matter how well it is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric. If it sucks ass, the next guy will fix it.
Well, yeah, people doing what they want usually turns out for the best.
Totally.
If it doesn't work out the next guy will fix it.
The fittest will survive without you and the government telling them how to do it.
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Also, I propose a little game. Everybody post pictures of your favorite cinder block buildings and we'll pick a winner. :drool:
Imagine this, but purple. It would be PERFECT as student housing. Ideally, in a prominent spot on campus.
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:facepalm:
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I would imagine the city has better things to worry about than to tell a guy who wants to run a Chinese restaurant and a bar, of all operations, what his building can look like. JFC, people. If the cinderblock design bothers people so much, they just won't go there, the business will close, and the next owner will make it more aesthetically appealing.
As always, great perspective.
Architectural review for planning and zoning is on the whole very Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Just build what you want, where you want, no matter what it looks like and no matter how well it is compatible with the surrounding urban fabric. If it sucks ass, the next guy will fix it.
Well, yeah, people doing what they want usually turns out for the best.
Totally.
If it doesn't work out the next guy will fix it.
The fittest will survive without you and the government telling them how to do it.
Stop being a dumbass.
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is that what wabash will look like? will take :thumbs: :excited:
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both of those things would be illegal and has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
They're illegal because laws and codes have been enacted by the federal, state and municipal governments specifically to prevent developers from just "doing what they want." It's called codes enforcement.
This happens in neighborhoods and condo buildings too. If you lived in a nice neighborhood, for instance, you might be aware of such ordinances. For example, a homes association may prevent somebody from building, say hypothetically, a cinder block house with a chain link fence around. May look perfectly fine in Afghanistan. Maybe not Leawood.
Well, cities are the same way. Perhaps there's an important district like an arts district, historic district, or cultural district. Say the City wants to protect the integrity of the district so that it maintains its character. (crazy I know). Well, the City may impose restrictions and regulations for future designs so that development doesn't destroy the district's character.
I am perfectly OK with such restrictions. You are apparently not. I just pray that more people in power agree with me than with you. Otherwise, Manhattan could be very similar to Junction City.
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both of those things would be illegal and has nothing to do with what you're talking about.
They're illegal because laws and codes have been enacted by the federal, state and municipal governments specifically to prevent developers from just "doing what they want." It's called codes enforcement.
This happens in neighborhoods and condo buildings too. If you lived in a nice neighborhood, for instance, you might be aware of such ordinances. For example, a homes association may prevent somebody from building, say hypothetically, a cinder block house with a chain link fence around. May look perfectly fine in Afghanistan. Maybe not Leawood.
Well, cities are the same way. Perhaps there's an important district like an arts district, historic district, or cultural district. Say the City wants to protect the integrity of the district so that it maintains its character. (crazy I know). Well, the City may impose restrictions and regulations for future designs so that development doesn't destroy the district's character.
I am perfectly OK with such restrictions. You are apparently not. I just pray that more people in power agree with me than with you. Otherwise, Manhattan could be very similar to Junction City.
they are illegal because of human safety, not because of aesthetics.
and if you move into an HOA area, then you know that going into it and you abide by those rules.
jesus christ, you are an angry man.
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Linked is an article "Rebuilding Haiti, one cinder block at a time." With Pictures.
http://www.sbcv.org/articles/detail/rebuilding_haiti_one_cinder_block_at_a_time
Cinder blocks are great in Third World Countries..... and Aggieville! :thumbsup:
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I would have to see a photo of this building to see how bad it actually looks. If it looks dilapidated and run down as Belvis is suggesting, I'm sure it will be out of businaaaaaassss within the year and somebody else will make it look nice.
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it looks fine, he's making a big deal out of nothing.
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they are illegal because of human safety, not because of aesthetics.
and if you move into an HOA area, then you know that going into it and you abide by those rules.
jesus christ, you are an angry man.
My point, from the beginning, is that the City should treat Manhattan like a neighborhood and create rules like an HOA would. The City should impose rules in the Aggieville Business District that provide for aesthetic requirements, just like a neighborhood would. In fact, they already did this. See the Campus Edge Master Plan. This is why I was a bit surprised to see a cinder block project erected in the middle of Aggieville.
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it looks fine, he's making a big deal out of nothing.
That was my assumption.
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I would have to see a photo of this building to see how bad it actually looks. If it looks dilapidated and run down as Belvis is suggesting, I'm sure it will be out of businaaaaaassss within the year and somebody else will make it look nice.
Again, it's a 4-story cinderblock residential tower (a project) with chain link fence on the backside. It's ridiculously ugly.
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I thought it was a Hunan Express with a rooftop bar.
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they are illegal because of human safety, not because of aesthetics.
and if you move into an HOA area, then you know that going into it and you abide by those rules.
jesus christ, you are an angry man.
My point, from the beginning, is that the City should treat Manhattan like a neighborhood and create rules like an HOA would. The City should impose rules in the Aggieville Business District that provide for aesthetic requirements, just like a neighborhood would. In fact, they already did this. See the Campus Edge Master Plan. This is why I was a bit surprised to see a cinder block project erected in the middle of Aggieville.
maybe you should be complaining to the aggieville business owners to get a historic district enacted or something instead.
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it looks fine, he's making a big deal out of nothing.
That was my assumption.
Why do you assume that a cinder block residential tower looks fine? Have you ever seen one before? Do you see any cinder block buildings on campus? around Manhattan?
Clearly rhetorical. Ask yourself why you don't see these buildings.
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it looks fine, he's making a big deal out of nothing.
That was my assumption.
Why do you assume that a cinder block residential tower looks fine? Have you ever seen one before? Do you see any cinder block buildings on campus? around Manhattan?
Clearly rhetorical. Ask yourself why you don't see these buildings.
I assume that because nobody in their right mind is going to spend the money on property in Aggieville only to put up some shitty cinder block shanty.
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I thought it was a Hunan Express with a rooftop bar.
That's the front part of the parcel, a single story portion of the development. behind it looms a 4-story residential building.
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maybe you should be complaining to the aggieville business owners to get a historic district enacted or something instead.
Yeah, I should be complaining to the Manhattan City Council, but this is an internet message board.
It's like bbsing about sports on here. I mean, really, our gripes should be directed to LHC Bill Snyder and oscar Weber, amirite?
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This webpage is amazing. :lol:
http://fancyhomedesign.net/cinder-block-homes/ (http://fancyhomedesign.net/cinder-block-homes/)
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I thought it was a Hunan Express with a rooftop bar.
That's the front part of the parcel, a single story portion of the development. behind it looms a 4-story residential building.
and you don't even notice it from moro. the only time you even noticed the "projects" is driving down 11th, you see it for a moment. and it's a modern look with galvanized fences, not a shantytown. in fact, until you even mentioned it here i didn't even know it was a block building because i don't spend my time staring at apartments that are basically in an aggieville ally.
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If it's still under construction, isn't it sort of likely that the building might have some kind of facade placed over the cinder blocks to make it look better?
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This webpage is amazing. :lol:
http://fancyhomedesign.net/cinder-block-homes/ (http://fancyhomedesign.net/cinder-block-homes/)
oh gawd the writing
Cinder Block Homes are a bit not save and also have loads of minus than the plus side.
Cinder Block Homes are more less likely to experience a great damage if a fire occurs
In particular side, they are typically do not have any problems with termites as many wooden homes do.
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maybe you should be complaining to the aggieville business owners to get a historic district enacted or something instead.
Yeah, I should be complaining to the Manhattan City Council, but this is an internet message board.
It's like bbsing about sports on here. I mean, really, our gripes should be directed to LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder and oscar Weber, amirite?
here's their contact info: http://www.cityofmhk.com/index.aspx?NID=219
tell them i don't want to look at where poor people live either
and the aggieville business improvement district http://www.cityofmhk.com/index.aspx?NID=446
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If it's still under construction, isn't it sort of likely that the building might have some kind of facade placed over the cinder blocks to make it look better?
Yeah, that was sort of my question in the first post in this thread. It was explained that this is a finished project.
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the building is on google maps
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maybe you should be complaining to the aggieville business owners to get a historic district enacted or something instead.
Yeah, I should be complaining to the Manhattan City Council, but this is an internet message board.
It's like bbsing about sports on here. I mean, really, our gripes should be directed to LHC LHC LHC Bill Snyder and oscar Weber, amirite?
here's their contact info: http://www.cityofmhk.com/index.aspx?NID=219
tell them i don't want to look at where poor people live either
and the aggieville business improvement district http://www.cityofmhk.com/index.aspx?NID=446
just emailed Karen Davis of the AV BID. I'll let you guys know what she says. :ohno:
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Haven't seen the building, but if it uglifies Manhattan then I'm on #teambelvis.
I'm an aesthetics fascist apparently. I'd rather have aesthetic requirements be imposed in all building projects (in the places I care about).
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Haven't seen the building, but if it uglifies Manhattan then I'm on #teambelvis.
I'm an aesthetics fascist apparently. I'd rather have aesthetic requirements be imposed in all building projects (in the places I care about).
You won't ever get anything really unique with aesthetic requirements. I don't want a red brick requirement for all buildings in Aggieville, and if we end up with one cinder block monstrosity as a result, then so be it. It's not a big deal.
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Haven't seen the building, but if it uglifies Manhattan then I'm on #teambelvis.
I'm an aesthetics fascist apparently. I'd rather have aesthetic requirements be imposed in all building projects (in the places I care about).
You won't every get anything really unique with aesthetic requirements. I don't want a red brick requirement for all buildings in Aggieville, and if we end up with one cinder block monstrosity as a result, then so be it. It's not a big deal.
Aesthetics are up for debate. He has a different side in this debate. I'm glad we're moving toward a point in this discussion where both sides admit that there are alternative viewpoints. I mean Belvis is kind of forced to acknowledge the opposition, because it is four stories high and all cinder blocky, but it is good to see none the less.
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The Aggieville - Campus Edge District Plan was adopted by the Manhattan Urban Area Planning Board by resolution following a public hearing August 2005. The City Commission adopted the plan by Ordinance No. 6498 October 2005.
Goal #3: "Create a Distinct Identity Throughout the Built Environment: Create a distinctive identity, and develop the Aggieville-Campus Edge Area into a unique neighborhood through the overall composition of spaces, juxtaposition of buildings and public realm and special architectural character and details."
Principle: Spatially define the street spaces by developing buildings at the front property line. For street-facing building facades, provide human scale and visual interest through change in plane, and architectural detailing and intricacy in form, color, and materials that are sensitive to the historical character of the district."
Summary: "Individual building façade elements shall respect the rhythm, floor heights and scale of immediately adjacent and surrounding building elements."
• Building facade elements shall create strong patterns of light and shadow.
• Facades shall incorporate the use of several building materials with complimentary color, texture and placement with primary emphasis on masonry and/or stone materials. "
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I just want businesses to follow the Aggieville Campus Edge parameters adopted by City ordinance.
If cinder block is a "special architectural detail" and is "masonry and/or stone material" and is "sensitive to the historical character of the district" then I have no problem with cinder block. However, when viewed reasonably, I think we'd all agree that cinder block is none of these things.
Therefore, I don't think it should have been used or approved by the City. I hope this doesn't come across as fascist.
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I think you could make a pretty solid case that cinder blocks fall under masonry.
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I think you could make a pretty solid case that cinder blocks fall under masonry.
you sure could, NK. you sure could.
special architectural character and details? No.
architectural detailing and intricacy in form, color, and materials? No.
sensitive to the historical character of the district? No.
respect the immediately adjacent and surrounding building elements? No.
several building materials with complimentary color, texture and placement? No.
But, yes, you are absolutely correct that a cinder block could technically be classified as masonry.
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special architectural character and details? No.
How do you define "special"?
architectural detailing and intricacy in form, color, and materials? No.
I still haven't seen a finished product, so it's hard to say.
sensitive to the historical character of the district? No.
What historical character?
respect the immediately adjacent and surrounding building elements? No.
Are the immediately adjacent property owners filing complaints?
several building materials with complimentary color, texture and placement? No.
Again, the building is still under construction and we don't really know what the finished product will look like.
If the city forced this property owner to acknowledge the city's plan and sign some sort of contract when he purchased the land, then I agree that he should have to meet the city's guidelines for Aggieville aesthetics. If they did not, then I don't really agree with them telling him what he can and cannot do with his own property aesthetically.
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the guy who is opening wabash bar and grill is my old boss from iTAC. he makes great burgers and sandwiches. rooftop patio is going to be tits.
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NK, I feel like you're being intentionally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Correct me if I'm wrong.
It was represented at the beginning of the thread that cinder block was the final product. I'm operating on this assumption.
My gripe is with the City not requiring compliance with the Aggieville Master Plan prior to issuing construction permits. If the City was silent on the issue, I agree it would be ridiculous for them to come back, after the fact, and request him to pay for something else. It's like any other district, be it the Country Club Plaza, Westport, Mass Street, Pearl Street, etc. They all have architectural standards and non-confirming building are not allowed. If the City allows a non-comfirming building, then that's their problem, not the developer's.
In summary, I don't have a problem with the developer. I have a problem with the City letting the developer move ahead with this cinder block plan.
But, there's no point in debating it. We obviously don't see eye to eye. it is what it is.
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Belvis, the city commission is a bunch of small timey busybodies who impede the city's growth due to concerns about things like Home Depot looking too orange. They are way more fussy about this stuff than you are. You've got no worries.
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TTIWWOP :ksu:
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
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I don't see it on google maps. Post a picture Belvis, its the best way to drum up support
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
wow, is that real? What incredible dumbfucks.
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.
I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.
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Benches?
Aaah Yeeeahh
Time to eff
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.
I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.
In fairness they are 100% right, think Fake Patty's Day. The problem is the city has allowed the inmate bar owners to run the asylum (Aggieville).
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.
I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.
In fairness they are 100% right, think Fake Patty's Day. The problem is the city has allowed the inmate bar owners to run the asylum (Aggieville).
In what way? What exactly are you calling a "problem"?
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
lmao, perfect
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In what way? What exactly are you calling a "problem"?
The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks. Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day. The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'
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In what way? What exactly are you calling a "problem"?
The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks. Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day. The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'
Well, there are multiple things wrong with your post, but I'll focus on the big ones.
1. Originally, Aggieville Business owners didn't pay for anything because Manhattan refused to help out, and still does to some extent, despite the fact that they make more on tickets, taxes, people coming into town for the event, etc. than any bar owner is going to make. Eventually they budged a bit and helped do clean up and the bar owners paid for porta potties and stuff (which actually probably benefited them because every bar's bathroom was out of order by noon because of vandalism.
2. The city still does a bunch of bullshit like try to shut down EVERY SINGLE BAR for over occupancy on FPD. I understand keeping everything under control, I'm not oppose to that. But they target bars and attempt to get an over occupancy to every bar in Aggieville on FPD. That's their goal. If one passes all day, they keep coming back until 2am. I wish I was kidding.
3. The city sends all of it's money to Poyntz, which isn't necessarily a lost cause, but it should play second fiddle to Aggieville. Hell, I'm surprised adding lights to the sidewalk around city park every got okay'd considering it significantly benefits people (girls) walking home from Aggieville at night. With all that money they are spending trying to connect Poyntz and the Hy-Vee area, you think at least tiny fraction of that would go to Aggieville. Manhattan City Counsel is Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, Poyntz is Dudley, and Aggieville is Harry Potter. There's no way to deny this.
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I deny your Harry Potter references
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I deny your Harry Potter references
You can't. I already said so.
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In what way? What exactly are you calling a "problem"?
The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks. Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day. The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'
Well, there are multiple things wrong with your post, but I'll focus on the big ones.
1. Originally, Aggieville Business owners didn't pay for anything because Manhattan refused to help out, and still does to some extent, despite the fact that they make more on tickets, taxes, people coming into town for the event, etc. than any bar owner is going to make. Eventually they budged a bit and helped do clean up and the bar owners paid for porta potties and stuff (which actually probably benefited them because every bar's bathroom was out of order by noon because of vandalism.
2. The city still does a bunch of bullshit like try to shut down EVERY SINGLE BAR for over occupancy on FPD. I understand keeping everything under control, I'm not oppose to that. But they target bars and attempt to get an over occupancy to every bar in Aggieville on FPD. That's their goal. If one passes all day, they keep coming back until 2am. I wish I was kidding.
3. The city sends all of it's money to Poyntz, which isn't necessarily a lost cause, but it should play second fiddle to Aggieville. Hell, I'm surprised adding lights to the sidewalk around city park every got okay'd considering it significantly benefits people (girls) walking home from Aggieville at night. With all that money they are spending trying to connect Poyntz and the Hy-Vee area, you think at least tiny fraction of that would go to Aggieville. Manhattan City Counsel is Mr. and Mrs. Dursley, Poyntz is Dudley, and Aggieville is Harry Potter. There's no way to deny this.
Aggieville gets crap on because it's way too small. There isn't the prestige/influence from business owners in Aggieville that Poyntz carries.
If the ABA was smart (they aren't), a community improvement district would be created to fund all sorts of cool infrastructure in and around Aggieville. Addressing parking to permanently close Moro would be at the top of the list. Underground crosswalks would be on toward the top as well.
If the city commission was smart (they aren't) they'd do the same thing for Poyntz.
And the commission should really be looking at making the entire swath of the city from Aggieville/City park to the redevelopment area high-density housing/mixed use zoning.
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UNDERGROUND CROSSWALKS?!?! TELL ME MORE!
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In what way? What exactly are you calling a "problem"?
The issue for Fake is the horrible costs of maintaining security and medical services for that day in the community and specifically the Aggie area and the surrounding few blocks. Also there have been several groups who are trying to shut down the celebrations because the Aggieville businesses refuse to pay their fair share for the costs of the day. The inherent issue is the bar owners want to make as much money as possible without paying for a damn thing and anything that comes out of their pocket which isn't a remittance to their liquor distributors is an 'unfair burden on business.'
The city gets 1% of everything and Riley/Pott County gets another 1%. Seems like people who require medical services (or their insurance companies) pay for that, and 90% of police action is spent collecting thousands of dollars checking IDs at house parties or writing up DUIs. The idea that FPD is anything but a net benefit for the City of Manhattan, financially or otherwise, is an absolute farce.
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It really is amazing how much the community leaders hate aggieville.
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UNDERGROUND CROSSWALKS?!?! TELL ME MORE!
Essentially tunnels under the streets so you don't have pedestrians waiting/walking through crosswalks. A couple along Bluemont/Anderson and one on 11th street would probably be enough. Would be similar to what was installed under the on ramp for 77 to link the Discover Center/hotels with the Depot.
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From the City, in response to my email...
When the Aggieville streetscape was upgraded several years ago there was decision made not to add streetscape items as you mentioned because of the abuse they might take from overzealous partiers in the District. We didn’t want to spend money on trees and street furniture that might get broken or vandalized. Unfortunately, things can get a little crazy late at night on Moro.
The Hunam building is finished as I understand and they do not to use any other materials on the façade or sides. The City does not have any design guidelines for the Aggieville area. The business owners have talked about a Historic District designation and utilizing design guidelines but have yet to come to some agreement on what they want to do. We do have limited design criteria on some of the higher density housing areas around Aggieville but nothing in the District.
This is just laugh out loud stupidity and small timyness.
I mean JFC, like the P&L, or Westport, or Pearl Street or Mass doesn't "get rowdy" on a weekend night.
It is ridiculous that the city won't fund improvements like trees and benches, but it should be on the Aggieville businesses to set their own guidelines, and if they can't agree, then there shouldn't be any.
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Some really odd information going on in this thread.
If we're going to go 100% FPD now I'm okay with that.
We need to realize that police and medical services used on FPD are greatly benefiting only one area of town. Its absurd to make the entire town pay for services when they are used by only a few. Bars are making hundreds of thousands of dollars on that one day. The city isn't making money of FPD because of the massive increase of police and material needs to secure and service those in that area. The city is footing the bill, not the ABA. While I don't know specifically about the porta potties, I know the city is paying for the police, fire, and personnel to run the event. The amount of crime and damage makes it a net loss for the general community.
There is a reason why many groups want to shut down FPD like they did at Penn St and many other universities across the nation. Its too expensive, especially when no one wants to pay for it. Too many people are coming into Manhattan just to cause chaos, not to enjoy a fun time, because the city has let the situation get out of reasonable control.
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Honest question, have you been attending fake patties days? The legitimate issues associated are alcohol poisoning, Aggieville bathroom vandalism, people driving under the influence, and mildly inconvenienced neighbors (front yard orgies). I'm not sure where you get the idea that people are coming here to cause chaos rather than have a good time and drink.
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bunch of rascals just causing trouble.
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If FPD was truly a net loss for the city they would find a way to stop it
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Honest question, have you been attending fake patties days? The legitimate issues associated are alcohol poisoning, Aggieville bathroom vandalism, people driving under the influence, and mildly inconvenienced neighbors (front yard orgies). I'm not sure where you get the idea that people are coming here to cause chaos rather than have a good time and drink.
I worked in Justin Hall one semester as a student worker, one of the people in my office was running one of the safe drinking organizations which had input with the city on FPD. I honestly don't remember which org off the top of my head. They had an entire power point presentation on the problems with FPD they were presenting to the city a few years ago. One of the trends they've been having is an increase of people coming from out of the area to party, specifically KC and other college towns. The problem is that even with the massive number of police (pulling overtime which is a HUGE cost), army liaisons, and other types of staff (ems/MFD), they are still struggling to keep ahead of the problems.
If FPD was truly a net loss for the city they would find a way to stop it
Which is why there was/is a serious push to settle things down. I don't remember the figures, I'm sorry its shitty posting of me (surprise!), but the city doesn't make very much because of the huge manpower issues FPD gives the city.
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Some really odd information going on in this thread.
If we're going to go 100% FPD now I'm okay with that.
We need to realize that police and medical services used on FPD are greatly benefiting only one area of town. Its absurd to make the entire town pay for services when they are used by only a few. Bars are making hundreds of thousands of dollars on that one day. The city isn't making money of FPD because of the massive increase of police and material needs to secure and service those in that area. The city is footing the bill, not the ABA. While I don't know specifically about the porta potties, I know the city is paying for the police, fire, and personnel to run the event. The amount of crime and damage makes it a net loss for the general community.
There is a reason why many groups want to shut down FPD like they did at Penn St and many other universities across the nation. Its too expensive, especially when no one wants to pay for it. Too many people are coming into Manhattan just to cause chaos, not to enjoy a fun time, because the city has let the situation get out of reasonable control.
All the "problems" associated with FPD are greatly exaggerated. How many people show up to it? 7,000-10,000? That's being pretty generous too. Yes, drunken behavior is more prevalent during daylight hours on that day, but the idea that a massive presence from police/EMS etc. is perpetrated by those groups who really, really like to find reasons for overtime.
And those workers love FPD because it's so compact that all the "problems" are easy to spot and they're great targets because they are most likely just going to pay whatever fine/bill they receive without creating a fuss. There's two or three times as many "lawbreakers" at any home football game as there are during all of FPD. The only difference is there would be a huge political cost if the police chief instructed officers to go around busting shirt tucks in the west parking lot for consuming alcohol on state property. That simply doesn't exist at FPD.
Even if FPD is a net loss for the community (it's not, by a long shot), that's 1 rough ridin' day that students might cost the city a negligible amount of money. Compare that to the other 364 days where students are continually mumped over by the city despite being responsible for more than half the city's population. And I say this as a resident of Manhattan.
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The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.
The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country" :dubious:
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Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD. To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
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i think concrete block construction can look very attractive. much nicer than a lot of stick frame crap.
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i think concrete block construction can look very attractive. much nicer than a lot of stick frame crap.
Confirmed. We should be thankful they didn't just throw up another bushwhacker's.
Or Hunan xpress.
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The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.
The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country" :dubious:
Lol you must be new here if you think this board views Riley rats as off limits from criticism.
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The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.
The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country" :dubious:
Lol you must be new here if you think this board views Riley rats as off limits from criticism.
I'm pretty sure that by "everyone" he meant townies/city counsel, not goEMAW
Everyone here knows that Manhattan, and especially Aggieville, would be better if Riley rats weren't allowed
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Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD. To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.
I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
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Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD. To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.
I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong. I've had people at my tailgate carded. I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.
Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.
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Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD. To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.
I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong. I've had people at my tailgate carded. I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.
Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.
:facepalm:
I've spent the majority of the past decade tailgating in either the east or west parking lot. I'm trying to think of the last time I actually saw any sort of police presence in either one. I've seen property damage that's been unreported, several fights and general drunkenness, but oddly no real police presence. I wonder why that is.
What rough ridin' joint work with Pott. County are you talking about? Does K-State have a campus in Westmoreland that I'm unaware of? As for your bet, keep your money. K-State ships enough money to the city/county in sales taxes for tickets to cover that crap.
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Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD. To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.
No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.
I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong. I've had people at my tailgate carded. I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.
Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.
:facepalm:
I've spent the majority of the past decade tailgating in either the east or west parking lot. I'm trying to think of the last time I actually saw any sort of police presence in either one. I've seen property damage that's been unreported, several fights and general drunkenness, but oddly no real police presence. I wonder why that is.
What rough ridin' joint work with Pott. County are you talking about? Does K-State have a campus in Westmoreland that I'm unaware of? As for your bet, keep your money. K-State ships enough money to the city/county in sales taxes for tickets to cover that crap.
KSUPD hires Pott county deputies to work every home game in BBall and Fball.
FPD is complained about more than football games because RCPD is the primary for FPD and they think it's a big deal to 'cope' with the crap that happens. KSUPD is primary for the Fball games and they are used to student shenanigans/don't complain like grumpy old farts.
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Underground crosswalks? That is just stupid as all get out.
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Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.
If they are, they need to stop. What a waste of money . . .
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Underground crosswalks? That is just stupid as all get out.
Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work! The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...
Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.
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Underground crosswalks? That is just stupid as all get out.
Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work! The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...
Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.
Moro should def be a ped plaza and they should also allow open beverages in that plaza.
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Underground crosswalks? That is just stupid as all get out.
Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work! The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...
Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.
Moro should def be a ped plaza and they should also allow open beverages in that plaza.
would make FPD amazing. just like St Pats down at westport.
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Underground crosswalks? That is just stupid as all get out.
Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work! The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...
Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.
No one waits to cross the street in Aggieville at the crosswalks. Few people wait to cross the street anywhere in Aggieville. It's Manhattan, the cars will stop.
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Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro. And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace. It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees. it's weird.
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Trees and benches won't be put there by the city. The city will eventually require that each new building/renovation over a certain size include them if the city retards ever decide to put together an area plan.
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One man's underground crosswalk is another man's subterranean FPD orgy tunnel.
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One man's underground crosswalk is another man's subterranean FPD orgy tunnel.
Drunk guy would set up camp and charge toll.
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Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro. And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace. It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees. it's weird.
There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.
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Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro. And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace. It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees. it's weird.
There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.
his friends sound like tools.
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Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro. And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace. It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees. it's weird.
There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.
his friends sound like tools.
I'm pretty sure they were just some randos that showed up to his party, but it's been long enough that I don't really remember all the details.
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why does he have to explain anything? the tree is outside. idiot.
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why does he have to explain anything? the tree is outside. idiot.
That's kind of what I thought. His landlord must have been a real dick or something.
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And, frankly, the joke is on the guys who uprooted and stole the tree. everybody knows that the best time to plant a new tree is the fall.
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Either that tree was a week old or it was already dead.
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the horror! :ohno:
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the horror! :ohno:
Looks pretty shitty IMO. Do one of the side of the apartments.
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THE TOWN IS RUINED!
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That looks about 1000x better than Belvis was leading me to believe.
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Look like it was made out of Legos
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Looks like cynder block and vinyl siding amongst mostly brick buildings.
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Looks like cynder block and vinyl siding amongst mostly brick buildings.
It's aluminum, doofus.
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It looks much better than wabash made it seem, but it does look remind me of a farmers' co-op office.
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That looks about 1000x better than Belvis was leading me to believe.
It's not bad, minus the cinderblock and vinyl siding.
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Gotta admit, it looks pretty good except for all the materials.
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It looks a whole lot better than the old Hunam Express.
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the food sucks, the building sucks.
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It looks a whole lot better than the old Hunam Express.
impressive.
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The chain-link really adds a nice detail to the cinderblock and vinyl box. Pretty nice building on the whole. Minimalist. understated.
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The ugliness of this building is seriously affecting BN's personal happiness.
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The ugliness of this building is seriously affecting BN's personal happiness.
I haven't slept or showered in days. Stopped coming to work too. It's been rough.
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I really don't see how the apartment complex stands out as shittier than the rest of Aggieville.
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I really don't see how the apartment complex stands out as shittier than the rest of Aggieville.
don't you?
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woof! I feel like in my projects my coo coo cal should be playing in the background while I look at that place
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or like a game of tetris is going on
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that fence confuses me. why would they build that?
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that fence confuses me. why would they build that?
I really don't see what's so confusing about it? People build chainlink fences all the time. This one happens to encase a residential fire escape.
amirite, NK?
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as bad as those apartments look now, just imagine how great they will look in 10 years. 20 years.
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That last picture looks like something out of TWD.
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as bad as those apartments look now, just imagine how great they will look in 10 years. 20 years.
Yeah. I really don't understand why anybody would be upset about this in the slightest.
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as bad as those apartments look now, just imagine how great they will look in 10 years. 20 years.
people will love those chain link fences when the Obama apocalypse comes
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If you don't care about architecture or urban planning, then no, I dont imagine it would be very upsetting.
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The chainlink really puts the ugh over the top. I mean, railing is cheap and meets code. what are they trying to do by making it look like some zoo exhibit enclosure?
Bob Strawn should be worrying about things like this rather than an increase of trash in someone's front yard one day a year. Chain link isn't forever, but it's close.
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The chainlink really puts the ugh over the top. I mean, railing is cheap and meets code. what are they trying to do by making it look like some zoo exhibit enclosure?
Bob Strawn should be worrying about things like this rather than an increase of trash in someone's front yard one day a year. Chain link isn't forever, but it's close.
The look strikes me as more minimum-security holding block...
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what's weird is part of the "fence" looks like railing you see on modern buildings all the time. And then it just goes to chain-link.
But I think that wall facing the parking lot is far worse. :sdeek:
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If I lived in that apartment I would host cage matches weekly and collect a sweet vig from all of the gamblers participating in the nightly Aggieville orgy. FPD would just be huge.
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But I think that wall facing the parking lot is far worse. :sdeek:
Huge urban pop art grafitti mural opportunity.
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If you don't care about architecture or urban planning, then no, I dont imagine it would be very upsetting.
I care about architecture, but not urban planning, at least not in some small town bar district. I think it's more hilarious than upsetting.
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what's weird is part of the "fence" looks like railing you see on modern buildings all the time. And then it just goes to chain-link.
But I think that wall facing the parking lot is far worse. :sdeek:
Yeah, the choice to go windowless furthers my suspicion that this actually is a minimum security detention facility. We can likely expect some barbed wire later this spring.
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You can't get much more urban than the wall facing the parking lot. Or is too urbany the main problem here?
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I care about architecture, but not urban planning, at least not in some small town bar district. I think it's more hilarious than upsetting.
We just have different expectations. I want Manhattan to be a cool, unique, destination college town and I realize that a lot of that image is tied to Aggieville. It's our thing. ya know? when people think of Manhattan and K-State, they often think of Aggieville. I think it could be a pretty special district, especially with its proximity to campus. It's unique. Done properly, it could be pretty amazing.
You view it as "some small town bar district."
It is what it is.
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Manhattan would easily be one of the coolest college towns in the entire country if that damn Hunam building wasn't so hideous.
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Manhattan would easily be one of the coolest college towns in the entire country if that damn Hunam building wasn't so hideous.
Again, for comprehension, Aggieville is an important community asset. Our City planners should treat it as such.
Or not. see Junction City.
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This thread is the Lubbock clothing store owner recommendations for Kliff Kingsbury's image of architechture.
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This thread is the Lubbock clothing store owner recommendations for Kliff Kingsbury's image of architechture.
:facepalm:
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what's weird is part of the "fence" looks like railing you see on modern buildings all the time. And then it just goes to chain-link.
But I think that wall facing the parking lot is far worse. :sdeek:
Yeah, the choice to go windowless furthers my suspicion that this actually is a minimum security detention facility. We can likely expect some barbed wire later this spring.
maybe there are plans to fill out the parking lot, so having windows doesn't really make sense when another building would just be going there. :dunno:
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This thread is the Lubbock clothing store owner recommendations for Kliff Kingsbury's image of architechture.
this was a good post
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I care about architecture, but not urban planning, at least not in some small town bar district. I think it's more hilarious than upsetting.
We just have different expectations. I want Manhattan to be a cool, unique, destination college town and I realize that a lot of that image is tied to Aggieville. It's our thing. ya know? when people think of Manhattan and K-State, they often think of Aggieville. I think it could be a pretty special district, especially with its proximity to campus. It's unique. Done properly, it could be pretty amazing.
You view it as "some small town bar district."
It is what it is.
Aggieville is what it is because local owners made it as they saw fit without the city telling them what to do. Sure, the Hunam could look a whole lot better, but I think it's just fine, and 99% of everyone who comes to visit won't even think twice about how it looks.
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Sure, the Hunam could look a whole lot better, but I think it's just fine, and 99% of everyone who comes to visit won't even think twice about how it looks.
I think you should just own the fact that you don't care how the building looks. It's a much better position than the "it's just fine."
I mean, we all agree that the building looks like a prison camp, yourself included. I care about this. You don't. it is what it is.
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I disagree, I think it looks like a farmers' co-op in Hoisington, from the front.
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I disagree, I think it looks like a farmers' co-op in Hoisington, from the front.
It does look kind of like a prison camp from the back, though. Still, if they can find tenants, who really cares? I certainly don't.
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I actually like the hunam facade. not the apartment building or megawall though.
It looks like they bought a whole chinese restaurant out of an ikea catalog and dropped it off on the side of the street.
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A couple thoughts I will share:
1) the only cool thing about the building is the fire escape with chain link fence. If Hunam's housed their workers there and there was a pai gow or dice game with guys squatting around a plastic bucket everyone would love it. Let's keep the infrastructure and work on the culture here.
2) the wall is a wall.
3) the vinyl does suggest some sort of horrific Beijing suburb, but again see 1).
4) The front looks like 2am "nachos." If it had some sort of red brick facade and bleah-de-bleah I think we could live with it.
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Yes in #4 kk. Windows would be nice too.
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We should do some sort of championship themed artwork on the windowless mega wall. Kings of the Mountain or something with Willie holding a bunch of trophies sitting on a mountain or something. That or a large beer or liquor advertisement.
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windows are expensive
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I'm pretty sure that wall was built to hide the ugly apartments behind it. A window would just defeat the purpose.
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guess what you guys, freedom isn't free. deal with it dorks.
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Mr. Ping, TEAR DOWN THAT WALL!
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Belvis Noland: fascist dictator in charge of Aggieville facade construction.
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Fun fact, Belvis is a well known brick lover. His whole house in Old Leawood is covered with bricks. That's just the way he rolls.
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Fun fact, Belvis is a well known brick lover. His whole house in Old Leawood is covered with bricks. That's just the way he rolls.
If anybody knows of a good salvaged brick sale, PM me. :thumbs: I can't get my hands on enough of the stuff.
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I'll be in Manhattan for the first time in about 3 years (sans one quick game in and out) on April 6th/7th. I feel like my mind is going to be blown, plz confirm.
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I'll be in Manhattan for the first time in about 3 years (sans one quick game in and out) on April 6th/7th. I feel like my mind is going to be blown, plz confirm.
Yeah.
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If you go to Aggieville and have eyes, take a barf bag.
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I'll be in Manhattan for the first time in about 3 years (sans one quick game in and out) on April 6th/7th. I feel like my mind is going to be blown, plz confirm.
If you like Beijing style tenements consider yourself in for a real treat.
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this is not china. this is not russia. this is the united states of america and if a little bit of cinder blocks and chain link fencing is the price that i have to pay for freedom then so be it. good bless the usa.
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this is not china. this is not russia. this is the united states of america and if a little bit of cinder blocks and chain link fencing is the price that i have to pay for freedom then so be it. good bless the usa.
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it looks a shitload better than the building it replaced
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it looks a shitload better than the building it replaced
Yes it does.
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Are they making manhattan ave in front of whiskey dicks 2 way traffic and removing the parking?
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Nevermind it's just a bike lane
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eff you scott, yesterday it looked like they were removing the parking. just drove by and they had finished today and just moved parking back 3 ft and added a curb
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Aggieville visions by stud K-State APdesign students.
Important take away: More trees.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
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Aggieville visions by stud K-State APdesign students.
Important take away: More trees.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
Old townies start complaining in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
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Aggieville visions by stud K-State APdesign students.
Important take away: More trees.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
i don't think any townie would complain about any of that. the fire dept might have some opinions though.
Old townies start complaining in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
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I would be all for straightening Laramie. Indifferent about the rest.
The comparisons to Boulder, Lawrence, and Columbia are dumb. What's so bad about having multiple retail/restaurant districts?
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seems really nice. I mean, if you're into that sort of thing. trees and landscaping and such
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I missed this thread's original run when I was "away." Pretty intense.
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Aggieville visions by stud K-State APdesign students.
Important take away: More trees.
http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y (http://krex.k-state.edu/dspace/bitstream/handle/2097/18681/VisionsVille_Vol2.pdf?sequence=1&isAllowed=y)
Old townies start complaining in 3 . . . 2 . . . 1 . . .
I think it's safe to say former Manhattan Mayor Bob Strawn (tmcats/Averitas) is not a fan.
The only thing that townie hated more than Aggieville was public transit.
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Love all of it, especially the Laramie stuff
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These plans would push the 'Ville well into the rarified air of elite college bar/restaurant/shopping districts
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These plans would push the 'Ville well into the rarified air of elite college bar/restaurant/shopping districts
:cheers:
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These plans would push the 'Ville well into the rarified air of elite college bar/restaurant/shopping districts
Agree.
Also, there is no way that happens.
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just copy other successful cities. there's no way some hick architect/planner guys in manhattan, ks are going to come up with better stuff than is already out there.
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I think that's what this guy did sys
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I liked the way the archidorks duely noted how trashy Bluemont is basically from 11th to Manhattan Avenue with the gas station, Rickel's, Arby's, car wash, surface parking fronting the street and defining the first impression to the district.
At some point when they can densify that edge condition with some multilevel mixed use, retail, living we'll really be cooking with gas.
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I think that's what this guy did sys
oh, that's good. i didn't open the document.
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Looks likes too much progress to me, I don't like it.
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rough ridin' cinder blocks
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rough ridin' cinder blocks
:lol:
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125 years? Im going to be dead by then
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it's always super cute to see people that don't live in mhk and haven't for ten years comment on it in some way. puppy cuddling w/ kitten.
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I really liked this whole plan until I saw that they are proposing to sack chipotle. This plan totally sucks
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So is the car wash in aggieville getting torn down for something? I went to get some quarters and all the machines were torn out and there just giants holes where they used to be
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also that asian market right behind it has been closed for a least a few months now too
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https://twitter.com/ajdomer/status/837283745220739072
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https://twitter.com/wibweric/status/837282379978829825
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Owner is from Meade, KS :frown:
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
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https://twitter.com/JaredTKSNT/status/837300791908134914
https://twitter.com/JaredTKSNT/status/837276651083993088
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed. They hadn't taken any of the books out so I'm sure that fire isnt going to go out for a while.
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed. They hadn't taken any of the books out so I'm sure that fire isnt going to go out for a while.
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Yea upon further research it had been closed for major renovations
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"Got a few hours to spare here in the middle of the night before my flight to knoxville, you people thought "burn it down" was funny...?"
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Aggieville must be one of the most fire prone areas in the country.
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Aggieville must be one of the most fire arson prone areas in the country.
fyp
on the bright side hopefully we wont have a dumbass bookstore in one of the best locations in aggieville anymore
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed.
sounds like the new owner wanted a free reno courtesy of jake from state farm
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Aggieville must be one of the most fire arson prone areas in the country.
fyp
on the bright side hopefully we wont have a dumbass bookstore in one of the best locations in aggieville anymore
townie fast fact- dusty bookshelf used to located between maes and the alley.
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Aggieville must be one of the most fire arson prone areas in the country.
fyp
on the bright side hopefully we wont have a dumbass bookstore in one of the best locations in aggieville anymore
townie fast fact- dusty bookshelf used to located between maes and the alley.
Sounds like a great topic for a podcast :Chirp:
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Aggieville must be one of the most fire arson prone areas in the country.
fyp
on the bright side hopefully we wont have a dumbass bookstore in one of the best locations in aggieville anymore
townie fast fact- dusty bookshelf used to located between maes and the alley.
perfect location for a bookstore. hey bookstore.. amazon and the public library called and said move your ass on down the road
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed. They hadn't taken any of the books out so I'm sure that fire isnt going to go out for a while.
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Yea upon further research it had been closed for major renovations
What better way to fund it! I kid. Don't they own Thread and Acme as well?
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed. They hadn't taken any of the books out so I'm sure that fire isnt going to go out for a while.
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Yea upon further research it had been closed for major renovations
What better way to fund it! I kid. Don't they own Thread and Acme as well?
yep
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Thought I spent many a night crushing suds watching people walk by from inside Thread
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Thought I spent many a night crushing suds watching people walk by from inside Thread
Thought so. I*
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Who wants the super inside scoop on how the dusty book shelf went up in flames???
goEMAW exclusive coming up shortly
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chinese steel beams with falsified fireproofing certification
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chinese steel beams with falsified fireproofing certification
WRONG!
They were doing some remodeling and were staining some floors. Dirty rags were left in the back and POOF, you get a fire.
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so the rags magically caught on fire?
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so the rags magically caught on fire?
Spontaneous combustion.
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so the rags magically caught on fire?
yes, rags can have a spontaneous combustion depending on what solvent is on said rag
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is there anyway we could dress weber up in a suit made outta that stuff?
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so the rags magically caught on fire?
yes, rags can have a spontaneous combustion depending on what solvent is on said rag
http://www.cultureofsafety.com/safety-tips/spontaneous-combustion-of-oily-rags/
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I thought about going to the hearing last night but didn't. I might go to the one on April 4th. What do you guys think? I like the overall plan, my only concern is those spaces on the east side of the bluemont have been empty for how long?
I LOVE the Moro things they talk about like more outdoor seating and closing Moro on the weekends. I'm interested what the housing pricing would be for the apartments they are looking at putting in and what kind of restaurants/bars/businesses that would be below them. Would be interesting how they would deal with the traffic in and out of Aggieville from those extra lots and housing. It's a monster cluster eff after games and stuff but I guess closing Moro would help. I love MHK and Aggieville and I think improvements like this will only help KSU and MHK.
http://cityofmhk.com/2714/Aggieville-Community-Vision
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whats this going to do to property taxes?? :cyclist:
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"what used to be the Dusty Bookshelf" as in it's now burned the eff down, or it was previously closed?
It has been boarded up for weeks. I'd say since December, I went over there to look for a used book and they were closed. They hadn't taken any of the books out so I'm sure that fire isnt going to go out for a while.
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Yea upon further research it had been closed for major renovations
What better way to fund it! I kid. Don't they own Thread and Acme as well?
yep
All of which are owned by your favorite donut shop in aggieville
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I haven't been back to Manhattan in almost a year. My next time back in the city will be for my wedding in May. . .will Aggieville be serviceable? Or will it be all boogered up?
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I haven't been back to Manhattan in almost a year. My next time back in the city will be for my wedding in May. . .will Aggieville be serviceable? Or will it be all boogered up?
Depends, will this be before or after May 13?
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One week before. We wanted our guests to experience Aggieville with the students still in town.
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One week before. We wanted our guests to experience Aggieville with the students still in town.
To each their own, but IMO Aggieville is like a million times better when the students are gone.
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One week before. We wanted our guests to experience Aggieville with the students still in town.
To each their own, but IMO Aggieville is like a million times better when the students are gone.
Depends for me. Like I didn't do fake pattys day but I was in Aggieville all day this past Saturday and it was a blast.
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One week before. We wanted our guests to experience Aggieville with the students still in town.
To each their own, but IMO Aggieville is like a million times better when the students are gone.
Depends for me. Like I didn't do fake pattys day but I was in Aggieville all day this past Saturday and it was a blast.
Well yeah because it's spring break.
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Drugs?
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Word on the street(convenience store next door) is that they pulled up and someone got out, but apparently they didn't put it in park or something :confused:
That's what I thought the speed bump things were for idk.
Anyways Kurtz posted a pic about how LIT Aggieville was and he purchased some snuff at the other register as me when I was purchasing cranberry.
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Were you both loving life and living large?
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Were you both loving life and living large?
I was walking over from Arts in the Park after having a great time so yeah I was loving life and living large at that moment.
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eff yeah man!
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Aw man, now where will I not get my car washed?
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Sun directly in the foreground? That's just bad photography. SMDH
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Sun directly in the foreground? That's just bad photography. SMDH
IPhone camera