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« Reply #100 on: February 22, 2013, 10:27:18 PM »
Some really odd information going on in this thread.

If we're going to go 100% FPD now I'm okay with that.

We need to realize that police and medical services used on FPD are greatly benefiting only one area of town.  Its absurd to make the entire town pay for services when they are used by only a few.  Bars are making hundreds of thousands of dollars on that one day.  The city isn't making money of FPD because of the massive increase of police and material needs to secure and service those in that area.  The city is footing the bill, not the ABA.  While I don't know specifically about the porta potties, I know the city is paying for the police, fire, and personnel to run the event.  The amount of crime and damage makes it a net loss for the general community.

There is a reason why many groups want to shut down FPD like they did at Penn St and many other universities across the nation.  Its too expensive, especially when no one wants to pay for it.  Too many people are coming into Manhattan just to cause chaos, not to enjoy a fun time, because the city has let the situation get out of reasonable control.

All the "problems" associated with FPD are greatly exaggerated. How many people show up to it? 7,000-10,000? That's being pretty generous too. Yes, drunken behavior is more prevalent during daylight hours on that day, but the idea that a massive presence from police/EMS etc. is perpetrated by those groups who really, really like to find reasons for overtime.

And those workers love FPD because it's so compact that all the "problems" are easy to spot and they're great targets because they are most likely just going to pay whatever fine/bill they receive without creating a fuss. There's two or three times as many "lawbreakers" at any home football game as there are during all of FPD. The only difference is there would be a huge political cost if the police chief instructed officers to go around busting shirt tucks in the west parking lot for consuming alcohol on state property. That simply doesn't exist at FPD.

Even if FPD is a net loss for the community (it's not, by a long shot), that's 1 rough ridin' day that students might cost the city a negligible amount of money. Compare that to the other 364 days where students are continually mumped over by the city despite being responsible for more than half the city's population. And I say this as a resident of Manhattan. 

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #101 on: February 23, 2013, 02:08:42 PM »
The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.

The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country"  :dubious:

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #102 on: February 23, 2013, 02:13:56 PM »
Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD.  To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

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« Reply #103 on: February 23, 2013, 03:26:20 PM »
i think concrete block construction can look very attractive.  much nicer than a lot of stick frame crap.
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« Reply #104 on: February 23, 2013, 03:37:21 PM »
i think concrete block construction can look very attractive.  much nicer than a lot of stick frame crap.

Confirmed. We should be thankful they didn't just throw up another bushwhacker's.

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #105 on: February 23, 2013, 04:06:48 PM »
The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.

The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country"  :dubious:

Lol you must be new here if you think this board views Riley rats as off limits from criticism.
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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #106 on: February 23, 2013, 04:13:40 PM »
The people who run Manhattan are the very same people who are going to keep it held back to 'second rate' status from Lawrence, Columbia and Lincoln.

The biggest trouble makers/crap starters are from Ft. Riley, but everyone is too PC to admit it "because they are serving the country"  :dubious:

Lol you must be new here if you think this board views Riley rats as off limits from criticism.

I'm pretty sure that by "everyone" he meant townies/city counsel, not goEMAW

Everyone here knows that Manhattan, and especially Aggieville, would be better if Riley rats weren't allowed

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #107 on: February 23, 2013, 07:05:49 PM »
Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD.  To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.

I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #108 on: February 23, 2013, 09:21:51 PM »
Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD.  To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.

I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong.  I've had people at my tailgate carded.  I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.

Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.
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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #109 on: February 23, 2013, 11:58:38 PM »
Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD.  To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.

I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong.  I've had people at my tailgate carded.  I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.

Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.

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I've spent the majority of the past decade tailgating in either the east or west parking lot. I'm trying to think of the last time I actually saw any sort of police presence in either one. I've seen property damage that's been unreported, several fights and general drunkenness, but oddly no real police presence. I wonder why that is.

What rough ridin' joint work with Pott. County are you talking about? Does K-State have a campus in Westmoreland that I'm unaware of? As for your bet, keep your money. K-State ships enough money to the city/county in sales taxes for tickets to cover that crap.


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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #110 on: February 24, 2013, 11:53:48 PM »
Middle aged men drinking in lawn chairs in a parking lot do not cause the same amount of issues as FPD.  To say that they do is to be unable to have a reasonable discussion on the matter.

No, they cause more issues. It's just that the city commission isn't horrified by the issues caused by them. And it's not just middle age men. A home football game has 2 to 3 times as many people coming in for a day of drinking in Manhattan, yet we don't hear about all the overtime cops need to patrol games or all the cases of alcohol poisoning etc. that goes on.

I'm not saying the issues at a football game and FPD are equal in severity. But a lot of the issues with FPD are there because the police are actively looking for them. Outside of the grass lots at football games, that's not true.
First, your last point is totally wrong.  I've had people at my tailgate carded.  I've watched the cops wait around for minutes watching for a youthful looking offender through the cracks of tent flaps like a creeper to bust people.

Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.

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I've spent the majority of the past decade tailgating in either the east or west parking lot. I'm trying to think of the last time I actually saw any sort of police presence in either one. I've seen property damage that's been unreported, several fights and general drunkenness, but oddly no real police presence. I wonder why that is.

What rough ridin' joint work with Pott. County are you talking about? Does K-State have a campus in Westmoreland that I'm unaware of? As for your bet, keep your money. K-State ships enough money to the city/county in sales taxes for tickets to cover that crap.

KSUPD hires Pott county deputies to work every home game in BBall and Fball.

FPD is complained about more than football games because RCPD is the primary for FPD and they think it's a big deal to 'cope' with the crap that happens. KSUPD is primary for the Fball games and they are used to student shenanigans/don't complain like grumpy old farts.

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #111 on: February 25, 2013, 12:49:05 AM »
Underground crosswalks?  That is just stupid as all get out.


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« Reply #112 on: February 25, 2013, 08:58:28 AM »
Next I would be willing to be, no proof, that K-State is paying for extra police in some fashion, especially since they are doing so much joint work with Pot county.

If they are, they need to stop. What a waste of money . . .

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« Reply #113 on: February 25, 2013, 10:56:45 AM »
Underground crosswalks?  That is just stupid as all get out.

Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work!  The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...

Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.
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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #114 on: February 25, 2013, 10:59:59 AM »
Underground crosswalks?  That is just stupid as all get out.

Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work!  The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...

Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.

Moro should def be a ped plaza and they should also allow open beverages in that plaza. 

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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #115 on: February 25, 2013, 11:01:32 AM »
Underground crosswalks?  That is just stupid as all get out.

Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work!  The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...

Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.

Moro should def be a ped plaza and they should also allow open beverages in that plaza.

would make FPD amazing.  just like St Pats down at westport.
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Re: Construction in Aggieville
« Reply #116 on: February 25, 2013, 12:00:42 PM »
Underground crosswalks?  That is just stupid as all get out.

Yeah, scratching my head as to how these would work!  The example provided goes under an elevated highway on-ramp...

Just make central Moro and Poyntz pedestrian plazas closed to cars, and you won't have to worry about time spent waiting to cross the street.

No one waits to cross the street in Aggieville at the crosswalks.  Few people wait to cross the street anywhere in Aggieville.  It's Manhattan, the cars will stop.
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« Reply #117 on: February 25, 2013, 12:08:45 PM »
Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro.  And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace.  It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees.  it's weird.   

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« Reply #118 on: February 25, 2013, 12:11:26 PM »
Trees and benches won't be put there by the city.  The city will eventually require that each new building/renovation over a certain size include them if the city retards ever decide to put together an area plan. 

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« Reply #119 on: February 25, 2013, 12:12:08 PM »
One man's underground crosswalk is another man's subterranean FPD orgy tunnel.

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« Reply #120 on: February 25, 2013, 12:12:55 PM »
One man's underground crosswalk is another man's subterranean FPD orgy tunnel.

Drunk guy would set up camp and charge toll.

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« Reply #121 on: February 25, 2013, 01:01:19 PM »
Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro.  And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace.  It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees.  it's weird.   

There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.

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« Reply #122 on: February 25, 2013, 01:12:30 PM »
Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro.  And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace.  It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees.  it's weird.   

There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.

his friends sound like tools.   

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« Reply #123 on: February 25, 2013, 01:18:39 PM »
Aggieville has many trees, just not on Moro.  And these trees have survived, notwithstanding the drunk hooliganism that is apparently commonplace.  It's funny, I've seen a lot of drunks, be it aggieville or westport, but i've never seen any drunks tearing down trees.  it's weird.   

There was a guy in my physics lab group who was freaking out one day because he had thrown a huge party at his house over the weekend and a few drunk guys at his party pushed on a tree until they uprooted it and then they ran off with it. He wasn't sure how he was going to break the news to his landlord that some guys just up and stole his tree.

his friends sound like tools.   

I'm pretty sure they were just some randos that showed up to his party, but it's been long enough that I don't really remember all the details.

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« Reply #124 on: February 25, 2013, 01:19:41 PM »
why does he have to explain anything? the tree is outside. idiot.