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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pete on January 14, 2013, 08:43:59 AM
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KU is, once again, in a league of their own in this conference. Sucks to be them...very little prep for the post season.
But, this will be fun for us! How will the 2-5 log jam sort out????
OU - Best wins so far in league play
KSU - Same wins as OU, but less impressive
BU - Since UT has been proven to be bad, BU has beat no one yet
ISU - Pretty loss at KU maybe makes us over value them?
OSU - Young studs who likely improve as year goes on?
The rest is pure poop. Also, how the eff does Barnes keep his job?
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ISU isn't a very good basketball team. we put too much value on them early on. they'll win some games when their 3's are falling but i think they end up around 6 or 7, in front of TCU, Tech, WVU, and UT.
BU is better than they've played so far. i don't expect them to win tonight but should play for 2nd in the conference based on talent alone.
Our Florida win is > than anything OU has done, and we have better losses.
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Baylor's talent alone ought to get them to second, but I don't think they can overcome the huge handicap of Drew. They'll drop too many games they should win along the way.
It's between Cats and OU. Okie State will implode as season goes on and Ford's position becomes untenable.
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Yeah, our losses stack up with anyone's.
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Regarding OU, and I haven't watched them, aren't their common opponent wins more impressive than ours?
Is it safe to assume that we will battle them for 3 in the conference? Or still too early to even speculate?
Also, it's fun to think about "no Wednesdays" this early in the year!!!
fear the beard, Clams!
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Okie State will implode as season goes on and Ford's position becomes untenable.
These dudes kinda scare me. Those young guys might figure it out in Feb., and be pretty tough.
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Okie State will implode as season goes on and Ford's position becomes untenable.
These dudes kinda scare me. Those young guys might figure it out in Feb., and be pretty tough.
They only need two things to work out to go on an absolute tear: 1. smart doesn't hit the frosh wall, 2. Nash gets his head out of his ass.
It makes me sick that Ford has nice things.
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Regarding OU, and I haven't watched them, aren't their common opponent wins more impressive than ours?
Is it safe to assume that we will battle them for 3 in the conference? Or still too early to even speculate?
Also, it's fun to think about "no Wednesdays" this early in the year!!!
fear the beard, Clams!
Meh on common opponents/comparative scores. That evens out. They also lost to Stephen F Austin at home. They are actually a very similar team to us though, it will be interesting to play them.
I'm hopeful we won't get swept by OU AND ISU like last year.
I think 2nd in the league is definitely up for grabs and achievable for this team. But so is 5th.
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Bob will find a way to get to fifth, his talent is close,enough to the OUs and ISUs. I am excited to se who's season really falls apart, hopefully it happens to Ford.
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5th would really piss me off.
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5th would really piss me off.
This should honestly be KSUbb's official motto.
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Bob will find a way to get to fifth, his talent is close,enough to the OUs and ISUs. I am excited to se who's season really falls apart, hopefully it happens to Ford.
Ya, that's the funny part...there are 5 teams who are capable of finishing 5th, and who would all be furious finishing 5th.
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5th would really piss me off.
This should honestly be KSUbb's official motto.
Totally agree...it's a more clear restatement of "No Wednesdays."
NEVER FIFTH!!!
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Regarding OU, and I haven't watched them, aren't their common opponent wins more impressive than ours?
Is it safe to assume that we will battle them for 3 in the conference? Or still too early to even speculate?
Also, it's fun to think about "no Wednesdays" this early in the year!!!
fear the beard, Clams!
we better not be playing wednesday this year, woof. i think it's safe to assume that 3rd will be either us or OU since we already beat OSU on their home court and ISU is a joke of a team and poorly coached
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5th would really piss me off.
This should honestly be KSUbb's official motto.
Totally agree...it's a more clear restatement of "No Wednesdays."
NEVER FIFTH!!!
remember wednedays now represent the #8-#9 and the #7-#10 games, woof
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
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Fair point, but I do think if they continue to rebound nearly 40% of their misses they have a shot to overcome a bad 3PT night to an extent.
Their losses to UNLV and Cinci both featured <30% 3PT shooting nights.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly. that's my point.
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Regarding OU, and I haven't watched them, aren't their common opponent wins more impressive than ours?
Is it safe to assume that we will battle them for 3 in the conference? Or still too early to even speculate?
Also, it's fun to think about "no Wednesdays" this early in the year!!!
fear the beard, Clams!
we better not be playing wednesday this year, woof. i think it's safe to assume that 3rd will be either us or OU since we already beat OSU on their home court and ISU is a joke of a team and poorly coached
OSU game was @ Bram, IIRC.
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i'm full of win today.
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We have ourselves a good old fashioned Big 12 basketball round table analysis with no butt hurtings, going on here!
Wish Beems were here.
Next topic, but related: Which team should be the most pissed if they finish less than fourth?
In order of most pissed, I go with:
Baylor (most talent)
KSU (have a super star senior)
Texas (talent despite Bongo's stuff, they should NEVER be less than 4)
OU (good start to season)
ISU
OSU (easier to excuse early season struggles with young guys)
WVU (knew they'd be down, but still...)
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
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I'd move OSU up that list, probably 2nd behind Baylor.
They have a lottery pick that is better than our super star senior. Not quite as good, but similar to Beasley. JMHO. Then they also have Brown and Nash, though Nash is a lazy player who underachieves. Otherwise I agree.
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Texas is a tough one. I mean, if they were us, I would be super pissed. But since they are Texas, do they even care? I mean, this isn't swim team.
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
Marcus Fizer isn't walking through that door.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly. that's my point.
oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever. But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world. If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever. But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world. If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"
Good point.
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever. But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world. If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"
Good point.
Fred is building a monster. Gonna be really scary in a couple of years. :ohno:
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ISU is happy with mediocrity. They could live with 5th and would be perpetually happy on the NCAA bubble.
To be fair, I think the typical ISU fan has higher standards for hoops. They did win back to back league titles less than 15 years ago.
I do think their hoops have a higher standard because they love to yell "Hilton Magic" or whatever. But with a fairly new coach with ISU roots, they would give him all the benefit of the doubt in the world. If they almost got into the tournament, I could see 5 years from now them arguing how good he is and saying "Well, he got jobbed in 2013 so that counts as a NCAA appearance"
On the other hand, if Fred doesnt do much more, it will be easy for them to attribute it to Royce.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly. that's my point.
oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.
no that wasn't my point either. but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.
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ISU had everything falling last year against us with that Christopher kid or whatever.
Dude had like 53 3 pointers or something silly like that. :curse: :curse:
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Nothing leads me to believe we can't and should not finish ahead of OU, OSU, ISU, Baylor.
OU is tough and dangerous when Pledger is on.
ISU is a nice squad and much more athletic than I originally gave them credit for, but lacking a go to player like they had in Royce White.
OSU has the talent and upside, but the shittiest coaching.
Baylor has the most talent, but is the most unpredictable.
We also are not going to lose four games to OU and ISU this year, assuming we can hold Pledger to less than 35 points in both of our games (unlike last season).
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We also are not going to lose four games to OU and ISU this year, assuming we can hold Pledger to less than 35 points in both of our games (unlike last season).
Less than a week until we get the first test of this theory....I AM NERVOUS!
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Going 0-4 against the Pokes and Clones last year was weird and flukey, mostly due to Stephen Pledger and the Arian sharpshooter having career highlight games.
I think we most likely split the series with both schools, and possibly steal one at one of their places. I feel better about sweeping OU, though.
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly. that's my point.
oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.
no that wasn't my point either. but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.
ok. it seemed like your point was that people are overvaluing isu because everything was dropping for them in the ku game when in fact isu just shot their average for the year in that game. doesn't seem like you want to talk anymore about it or clarify it though so i'll drop it. have a good day!
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
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i just think their offense is too high risk to think they'll be able to rely on it, game in and game out, in the b12. no doubt that they'll have nights, like they did against KU, where everything is dropping. at home i think they'll be tough for everyone in the league minus maybe baylor who wins all the match ups against them.
ku shot over 42% from three that game. isu shot 37%. i don't think i'd say "everything was dropping" for isu in that game. it wouldn't shock me if isu finished 4th or 5th in the league.
thanks for the clarification on the everything is dropping against ku. isu lost the game, they shoot poorly. that's my point.
oh. ok. so your point was that isu lost an overtime game on the road against ku because "everything was dropping" for ku and isu shot poorly. gotcha.
no that wasn't my point either. but you seem to struggle with these kinds of things and i'm not going to try to explain it. gotcha.
ok. it seemed like your point was that people are overvaluing isu because everything was dropping for them in the ku game when in fact isu just shot their average for the year in that game. doesn't seem like you want to talk anymore about it or clarify it though so i'll drop it. have a good day!
gotcha
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If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?
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Fred is building a monster. Gonna be really scary in a couple of years.
Could be. Depends if the Mayor ever runs out of transfer talent to recruit. I mean, seriously, won't he have to recruit high school players at some point?
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.
Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying
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If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?
No.
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.
Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying
Yep. Lon and Bill are the two rough ridin' pelts I desire most.
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If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?
Fourth, although they'd likely beat KU at home.
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.
Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying
Yep. Lon and Bill are the two rough ridin' pelts I desire most.
Drew would be satisfying for me (and sys)
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ya 3 major pelts in drew, bill, and lon.
i don't think anything would be sweeter for oscar than to nail bill's pelt to the wall though. he prob loves drew.
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If Missouri was still around, would they contend for 1st?
Fourth, although they'd likely beat KU at home.
:sdeek:
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I'm just not sold on OU yet. I think they are the most likely one to finish outside of top 5.
Big key for us will be taking care of business at home. Go 8-1 and we get 2nd or 3rd for sure.
It's early on but I say us and Baylor are battling for 2nd/3rd. Osu and clones battle for 4th/5th
I'd say the same about us. But, I think we are the better team. Lon always has our number though.
Putting lons face in petes faces schemed off thread will be most satisfying
Yep. Lon and Bill are the two rough ridin' pelts I desire most.
Drew would be satisfying for me (and sys)
The mayor would be a dreamy addition. Sort of a poor man's (dirt rough ridin' poor man's) jay wright
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clams, I understand your ISU issues and the reliance on the 3PT shot will hurt them in some games. But they play pretty good defense and surprisingly they're one of the best rebounding teams in the league, including on oboards. I think their style where anyone and everyone will shoot a 3 combined with their pace of play make them a tough match-up. The Mayor could surprise again, I don't think its out of the question.
ISU has scored 70+ in every game this year. 80+ most games. Their non-con slate was pretty crummy but I think they'll be the biggest contender for the #2 slot. Baylor, while being wildly athletic, is still a Scott Drew team (talent won't be maximized until, maybe, March...but likely not ever).