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1) Speed
2) A more capable passing QB
For next year, I'm not sure about #1, but I figure either Sams or Waters will be an upgrade on #2.
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Sams is both.
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I honestly think our offense will be better next year. I've been known to honestly believe a lot of things that turned out to be wrong, but I think I'm right on this one.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
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Collin Klein was good because he was smart and didn't turn the ball over very much. When we were ahead in a game he was great, but when we were behind he was god awful. I want a quarterback like Manziel, Bridgewater, Mariotta etc. I think Sams and Waters will be much better at making big plays and getting us back into games.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
If you say 'growing pains' just one more time I'm gonna kick your ass.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
If you say 'growing pains' just one more time I'm gonna kick your ass.
:lol:
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I honestly think our offense will be better next year. I've been known to honestly believe a lot of things that turned out to be wrong, but I think I'm right on this one.
I'm with you.
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yeah, Collin's ability to audible into the QB draw where he runs into the backs of our O-lineman on 3rd or 2nd and short will be missed.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
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In regards to my original post, my point was that I don't care how many stars a kid has. I want them to recruit guys that are fast as crap and make them into football players.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
2001 all over?
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Collin was a decent QB but not what we built him up to be. That win over Geno and WVU really set the expectations for him unrealistically high.
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I'm binging but I'm pretty sure klein held us back all season and ruined things for a beautiful Chris Harper. I may never forgive him for the latter.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
2001 all over?
It's lazy to say that for a ton of reasons, but I think it's what Snyder will ultimately do.
But I think Waters may be better than Dunn. I don't know. I'm just going off of gut feel and watching a ton of video on YouTube.
But I think Sams has a higher ceiling than Ell did, so there's that. Snyder is going to push the hell out of him.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
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1) Zeal
2) Beards
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anyone campaigning for waters over sams is a rough ridin' racist, no lie.
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Collin Klein was good because he was smart and didn't turn the ball over very much. When we were ahead in a game he was great, but when we were behind he was god awful. I want a quarterback like Manziel, Bridgewater, Mariotta etc. I think Sams and Waters will be much better at making big plays and getting us back into games.
To Klein's credit, he was almost never behind.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
then I'll say we need a third thing which is less people that think Waters will start next year.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
2001 all over?
It's lazy to say that for a ton of reasons, but I think it's what Snyder will ultimately do.
But I think Waters may be better than Dunn. I don't know. I'm just going off of gut feel and watching a ton of video on YouTube.
But I think Sams has a higher ceiling than Ell did, so there's that. Snyder is going to push the hell out of him.
Yeah, it was lazy to say that.
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1) Speed
2) A more capable passing QB
For next year, I'm not sure about #1, but I figure either Sams or Waters will be an upgrade on #2.
We need more :star: 's imo.
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
2001 all over?
It's lazy to say that for a ton of reasons, but I think it's what Snyder will ultimately do.
But I think Waters may be better than Dunn. I don't know. I'm just going off of gut feel and watching a ton of video on YouTube.
But I think Sams has a higher ceiling than Ell did, so there's that. Snyder is going to push the hell out of him.
Yeah, it was lazy to say that.
I honestly think he'll start Waters in the non-con to push Sams. Seems like something Bill would do.
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Beards
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I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.
I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.
then I'll say we need a third thing which is less people that think Waters will start next year.
Don't get me wrong. I want Sams.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
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Nice run Colin, but converted TE's playing QB's can only take you so far . . . offense was pretty much a disaster against Baylor, TCU and Oregon.
Offensive staff over analyzed as well, over schemed, and superior athletes with speed clown suited K-State for most of those 3 games.
The "get into the perfect play" offense works great against inferior teams . . . not so much against well coached teams with athletes who really don't care if you stand back there all day flipping through the playbook.
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Beards
And players who can't be understood when theyvtalk
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
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Beards
KU has a jump on us here. :ohno:
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Klein was bad when we were behind this year. But a year ago, we played from behind all year and he was great. But that's because we kept doing what we do best. For some reason against Baylor and tonight, we didn't have faith.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Offensive play calling was attricious. Route selection was the exact opposite of what should have been based in their alignment and coverage
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think it was speed and scheme. While Oregon's offense is unconventional, so is their defense. They didn't play normal alignments very often, and that made it tough on our system. Stanford had success against then just lining up in 2 TE/2 back formations and running power football at them. Clearly we didn't think that would work. The numbers often dictated that we should be able to throw, but lack of separation and pressure didn't allow it. There are things we could have done better, but Oregon is also just really good.
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How about Klein's attempted Hail Mary at the end of the first half? Woof
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I think this season has really reinforced that the offense we have run the past two years is most effective because teams build their defenses to stop the spread. Oregon did very well against our run by keeping 5 DL on the field and playing very aggressive with their secondary, and Baylor completely dominated us with their overly aggressive Phil Bennett defense that was awful against the rest of the Big 12. I think the blueprint has been laid to stop LHC Bill Snyder's offense, but as long as everybody else keeps running uptempo spread offenses, Bill's offense will perform well for most of the season until teams get extra time to prepare for him or he runs into a defensive coordinator who has refused to change with the times like Bennett.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
Yes, it's easy to get to the play fast when you are lining up 5 yards closer to where the play is going than you would if you had any respect at all for the other team's ability to go over the top on you.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
Klein can't throw into tight coverage. He has to have play action or some separation due to how much he telegraphs and how long it takes him to deliver the ball.
Thompson and Lockett weren't getting open. The only guy we could throw to in single coverage was Harper, and that's because he can use his size to get separation.
I mean, yeah, we could throw into 1:1 coverage, and I would have liked to chance it a few times, but we weren't getting anything on the ground to open up play action, and Snyder isn't risky enough to just so easily give the ball back to Oregon knowing how good their offense is.
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Sams is transferring.
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#3, new offensive coordinator, or something ... Jfc, lets run a guy right into 5 down defensive players.. or eff, lets do what we said we wouldn't do and go back to trying to miracle the ball into the receivers hands. That so worked for the Baylor game for the second half.
Anyways, looking forward to next year. Snyder will use his powers to will a Big 12 defense, offense line returns, better offense overall )we hope)
Repeat Big 12 champs. :billdance:
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.
I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch. I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.
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Sams is transferring.
Daniel #Life Sams @DS4ms
I'm going to miss my seniors. I love y'all dearly. I'm gone hold it down. Trust. #Life
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Sams is transferring.
Your beard is transferring.
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Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed
It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc. I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.
Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.
I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)? But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.
We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.
We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.
I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.
I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch. I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.
Yeah, dammit, I forgot about Tannahill's drop to start the 3rd qtr for a 8-9 yd gain. That hurt.
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I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch. I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.
Tannahill had a really amazing catch on one badly overthrown ball from Klein tonight. The ball's COG was actually past his hand, and he made a one-handed grab. He may have dropped others. I think everybody did. Klein was god-awful - got sacked once by a defender completely engaged with an OL. Pease should have played more - gained less than 3 yards only on one of his runs, IIRC.
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Sams is transferring.
Your beard is transferring.
I love that you're sticking with the beard thing. One of the highlights of the night, IMO.
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I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch. I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.
Tannahill had a really amazing catch on one badly overthrown ball from Klein tonight. The ball was actually past his hand, and he made a one-handed grab. He dropped others. I think everybody did. Klein was god-awful.
I don't think anyone is going to argue that Klein was pretty bad tonight, and after the concussion, what made Klein so great (his reckless abandon and complete lack of regard for his safety) was gone, and what was left was a pretty decent running QB who couldn't throw worth a damn unless his receivers were getting wide open and the running game was going well.
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Time to get gronk'd all over the place friends! :billdance:
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I am most worried about our defense next year. You can score points on most people with a good offensive line, and we have that. What we won't have is 2 starting corners, 2 starting linebackers and like our ENTIRE defensive line.
#FireMo
#FireSean
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Sean Snyder rough ridin' blows! The opening kickoff gave them the advantage they needed. How does that happen!!!
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It was also a classic Dana Dimel/Miller night . . . it's the same movie with those guys in games like last night.
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We need the cocaine fueled aggression and SWAG that carried us in the late 90's. I know BV and the Stoopes' are gone, but wasn't Michael Smith the engineer of the Cocaine Train?
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we found out in 1 play that Pease has a better, stronger arm than Colin.
:flush:
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That was a complete dogshit game plan by the offensive coaching staff. The defense and kick return game put us into position to have a chance to be in that game.
Sean snyder should be rough ridin' bull whipped for kicking it to that guy on the opening kick off. What the effing eff was that shlt? He did the EXACT same effing thing with arkansas last year.
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As long as we want to do the dual threat thing, we need to recruit qb's that don't have brains to sketti.
Our game really seems to have changed from the point where colin got scrambled this year. We seemed to run him much less and he seemed much less in control. Get a guy who needs all the plays called for him and who doesn't get the playbook well enough to audible on his own. Then run him until he "graduates".
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i think we need bigger dudes. when i think back to when we were really good, our guys were big and we didn't need to scheme other teams, we were just bigger and better than them.
watching our recruiting now, it seems like snyder is content with helping youngsters develop into the best that they can be regardless of their starting point.
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we found out in 1 play that Pease has a better, stronger arm than Colin.
:flush:
Not to pile on Klein, because he's won us a ton of games the last couple years with near inhuman toughness, but that Pease throw really was eye opening. He sheds a tackler and throws a 50 yard bomb practically flat footed and still nearly completes it to Harper. If Klein tries the same thing he either gets picked off because of lack of arm strength or gets sacked because of his exceedingly long throwing motion.
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Both Sams and Waters are going to start next year. I love Sams but he played what, maybe 50 plays this year and he was limping around on half of them. No way he plays all year if he is taking ten plus hits a game. We will be a college version of the Redskins with him at QB. As long as the ball keeps landing on red or black we will have a highlight film offense but sooner or later the ball is going to land on 00 and it will be up to Waters to get through two or three games somewhere along the line.
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I want #life to be our QB next year but I also want him to become our next Harp...I'm so confused...Can he be both :dunno:
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
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There will never be another Harper. He was a glorious comet streaking across the Kansas sky.
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I would agree that we need more speed. But it appeared to be even more necessary on the offensive side than defensive side.
We played Oregon pretty well on defense. When you limit an offense like that to 27 points, less than 5 ypc, and under 400 total yards...that says something. I believe we were the only defense they faced that didn't give up 400 yards.
We certainly do need more team speed. But it is more necessary in the secondary and at the skill positions offensively. We could use more disruptive players on the defensive line but what we had was not the reason we lost to Oregon. It did hurt us vs. Baylor because they have a more physical offensive line.
But we will stick around with faster players in the secondary, more disruptive players on the DL, and more speed at wide receiver/RB.
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Does anyone have the code to make our players all All-Amercians/God-mode? If not, I'll settle for infinite ammo.
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
God bless Brian Butler.
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
and Joseph Randle...
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But we will stick around with faster players in the secondary, more disruptive players on the DL, and more speed at wide receiver/RB.
I'm not concerned with the DB's we're recruiting. There's a lot of speed there. There are some really nice looking packages you can put together with Sams at QB where you can cause many a sleepless night for a DC.
But I have some significant concerns about our lack of speed at RB. I like Hubert, and he's solid for what he is. I know the coaches are high on Leverett, and I find a lot of use for a 5'11" (thick) 200+ lb. RB. But we don't have anyone behind Sams at RB that is a threat to take it to the house when they get a crack of daylight similar to what Oregon has. Not many people do, granted, but it makes a world of difference when you have that.
I do have concerns about WR, but Burton gives me some hope. If Miller and/or Klein can be serviceable big body receivers next year, it should give the QB plenty of options. But you are absolutely right that the lack of speed on offense was a killer against Oregon.
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
and Joseph Randle...
and blake bell :peek:
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
and Joseph Randle...
and blake bell :peek:
(https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1665450405/Belldozer_avatar.png)
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I guess I'm missing the Sams/Harper comparo, Harp is at least 30#s heavier than Sams. Sams might be a bigger Lockett, but he doesn't have the size to be a receiver like Harp. The most likely candidate is Miller. Harp was just a beast with his combo of size/speed.
Unreal that Kansas produced him and the brown's. Hell Even Brod. Smith showed flashes of being able to do what harp did before he was hurt.
and Joseph Randle...
and blake bell :peek:
(https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/1665450405/Belldozer_avatar.png)
Nice.
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Greatest player to ever come out of Wichita? AB or Barry Sanders?
I vote for AB.
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Greatest player to ever come out of Wichita? AB or Barry Sanders?
I vote for AB.
:lol: It's Sanders and it's not even close. AB is very good. Sanders in the discussion of greatest RB of all time.
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Greatest player to ever come out of Wichita? AB or Barry Sanders?
I vote for AB.
:lol: It's Sanders and it's not even close. AB is very good. Sanders in the discussion of greatest RB of all time.
:facepalm: :bait:
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I vote for AB, too.
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The biggest knock against Sanders is that he didn't play for the Cats
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Lots of AB haters being outed in this thread.
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barry sanders played in the 80's he'd be destroyed in today's game.
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barry sanders played in the 80's he'd be destroyed in today's game.
So would our '98 team, but that doesn't stop people from thinking they are still the best team we have ever fielded.
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barry sanders played in the 80's he'd be destroyed in today's game.
No kidding. Hey, what about Red Grange best player ever! :lol:
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AB.
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I'd have to go with Tysyn Hartman. Stud safety for the Kansas City Chiefs.
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I'd have to go with Tysyn Hartman. Stud safety for the Kansas City Chiefs.
Insiders tell me he's also a locker room favorite.
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two things we need more of
cow bell
and jump around
all day erry day
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Bring back the space jam song. That's what we need.
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So Luke is Bushblister...huh.
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More sacrificial goats and more MOAP's.