Two things we need more of after tonight...

[Panjandrum]

I think we will miss Klein's ability to move the chains without taking huge risks. Sams will be more fun to watch, but Klein was a very good QB, and it will take Sams 2-3 years to reach that level, if he ever does. We should all expect some growing pains next year.

I think Waters starts next year, but will have a short leash.

then I'll say we need a third thing which is less people that think Waters will start next year.

Don't get me wrong.  I want Sams.

[Panjandrum]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

[sonofdaxjones]

Nice run Colin, but converted TE's playing QB's can only take you so far . . . offense was pretty much a disaster against Baylor, TCU and Oregon.

Offensive staff over analyzed as well, over schemed, and superior athletes with speed clown suited K-State for most of those 3 games.

The "get into the perfect play" offense works great against inferior teams . . . not so much against well coached teams with athletes who really don't care if you stand back there all day flipping through the playbook.

[ArchE_Cat]

Beards

And players who can't be understood when theyvtalk

[Rage Against the McKee]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

[MadCat]

Beards

KU has a jump on us here. 

[EMAWzified]

Klein was bad when we were behind this year. But a year ago, we played from behind all year and he was great. But that's because we kept doing what we do best. For some reason against Baylor and tonight, we didn't have faith.

[ArchE_Cat]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Offensive play calling was attricious. Route selection was the exact opposite of what should have been based in their alignment and coverage

[Panjandrum]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

[kso_FAN]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think it was speed and scheme. While Oregon's offense is unconventional, so is their defense. They didn't play normal alignments very often, and that made it tough on our system. Stanford had success against then just lining up in 2 TE/2 back formations and running power football at them. Clearly we didn't think that would work. The numbers often dictated that we should be able to throw, but lack of separation and pressure didn't allow it. There are things we could have done better, but Oregon is also just really good.

[kim carnes]

How about Klein's attempted Hail Mary at the end of the first half?   Woof

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think this season has really reinforced that the offense we have run the past two years is most effective because teams build their defenses to stop the spread. Oregon did very well against our run by keeping 5 DL on the field and playing very aggressive with their secondary, and Baylor completely dominated us with their overly aggressive Phil Bennett defense that was awful against the rest of the Big 12. I think the blueprint has been laid to stop LHC Bill Snyder's offense, but as long as everybody else keeps running uptempo spread offenses, Bill's offense will perform well for most of the season until teams get extra time to prepare for him or he runs into a defensive coordinator who has refused to change with the times like Bennett.

[ArchE_Cat]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

[Rage Against the McKee]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

Yes, it's easy to get to the play fast when you are lining up 5 yards closer to where the play is going than you would if you had any respect at all for the other team's ability to go over the top on you.

[Panjandrum]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

Klein can't throw into tight coverage.  He has to have play action or some separation due to how much he telegraphs and how long it takes him to deliver the ball.

Thompson and Lockett weren't getting open.  The only guy we could throw to in single coverage was Harper, and that's because he can use his size to get separation.

I mean, yeah, we could throw into 1:1 coverage, and I would have liked to chance it a few times, but we weren't getting anything on the ground to open up play action, and Snyder isn't risky enough to just so easily give the ball back to Oregon knowing how good their offense is.

[Emo EMAW]

Sams is transferring.

[Ich.Gewinne]

#3, new offensive coordinator, or something ... Jfc, lets run a guy right into 5 down defensive players.. or eff, lets do what we said we wouldn't do and go back to trying to miracle the ball into the receivers hands. That so worked for the Baylor game for the second half.

Anyways, looking forward to next year. Snyder will use his powers to will a Big 12 defense, offense line returns, better offense overall )we hope)
Repeat Big 12 champs. 

[Boondock Poonhound]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.

[Panjandrum]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.

I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch.  I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.

[Panjandrum]

Sams is transferring.

Daniel #Life Sams @DS4ms
I'm going to miss my seniors. I love y'all dearly. I'm gone hold it down. Trust. #Life

[felix rex]

Sams is transferring.

Your beard is transferring.

[Boondock Poonhound]

Speed wasn't as big a problem as getting out schemed

It seemed like the offense had a hard time getting separation in routes, in space, etc.  I'm interested to hear _FAN's thoughts on it, but we just seemed a step slower on both sides of the ball.

Oregon played our receivers tight and we never tried to go deep to challenge them and make them give us space. I think it had more to do with X's and O's than team speed. It would also help if Klein didn't have a 6 second delivery on any pass over 15 yards.

I think we could have done some things differently (who couldn't)?  But even if we found a seam or found a hole, they closed so fast.

We were out coached, yeah, but they just had better athletes on both sides of the ball.

We did nothing over the middle passing. We needed to get defenders to drop out of the box into coverage, or force a safety up. We failed to exploit any one on one situations in passing. Even our short routes took forever to develop, we needed to get the ball out quicker.

I kept waiting for the fake run, quick hitter to the tight end down the middle. Harper and Locket could not seem to separate tonight. He did draw a pass interference penalty. But our downfield verticle passing game was not there.

I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch.  I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.

Yeah, dammit, I forgot about Tannahill's drop to start the 3rd qtr for a 8-9 yd gain. That hurt.

[TheProdigiousTalent]

I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch.  I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.

Tannahill had a really amazing catch on one badly overthrown ball from Klein tonight.  The ball's COG was actually past his hand, and he made a one-handed grab.  He may have dropped others.  I think everybody did.  Klein was god-awful - got sacked once by a defender completely engaged with an OL.  Pease should have played more - gained less than 3 yards only on one of his runs, IIRC.

[Panjandrum]

Sams is transferring.

Your beard is transferring.

I love that you're sticking with the beard thing.  One of the highlights of the night, IMO.

[Panjandrum]

I remember at least once or twice that we threw to Tannahill, and he wasn't able to come up with the catch.  I just assumed that the coaches decided to throw the rest of the TE routes out the window after that.

Tannahill had a really amazing catch on one badly overthrown ball from Klein tonight.  The ball was actually past his hand, and he made a one-handed grab.  He dropped others.  I think everybody did.  Klein was god-awful.

I don't think anyone is going to argue that Klein was pretty bad tonight, and after the concussion, what made Klein so great (his reckless abandon and complete lack of regard for his safety) was gone, and what was left was a pretty decent running QB who couldn't throw worth a damn unless his receivers were getting wide open and the running game was going well.