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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: EMAWzified on December 22, 2012, 09:30:21 PM
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Plays butch all game and then in the last 5 minutes starts missing 3s -- one he stuck up early in the clock -- and misses free throws in the last minute -- once when he could have thrown it to stone-cold killer Rodney.
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:flush:
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Sign me up for games like this from Will all the time.
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
anybody know why Frank mfp'd Will after missing one at OSU with a nine pt lead with 30 sec to play ?
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
anybody know why Frank mfp'd Will after missing one at OSU with a nine pt lead with 30 sec to play ?
Because that's what Frank does
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
anybody know why Frank mfp'd Will after missing one at OSU with a nine pt lead with 30 sec to play ?
Because he deserved it :dunno:
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
That would have had zeal.
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Would have been fantastic if oscar screeched out a "mother rough ridin' pussy!" at him
anybody know why Frank mfp'd Will after missing one at OSU with a nine pt lead with 30 sec to play ?
I'd retort by asking why didn't he do it more
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Will was a complete stud tonight
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Yeah, still hate him, but he had a great game.
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Shannon should get all our games moved to KC.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/potmsearch/detail/submission/1094971/Shannon_Spradling
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Sign me up for games like this from Will all the time.
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what if will spradling is a complete badass?
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what if will spradling is a complete badass?
Yeah, hoping for this
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Will played in front of the most will friendly crowd of his career to date. So many super white ppl in 55 jerseys and shirts.
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Will played in front of the most will friendly crowd of his career to date. So many super white ppl in 55 jerseys and shirts.
It's not particularly easy to get a #55 jersey, is it? Unless you're getting a hookup from the team, you have to order it special from varney's or the superstore or something, and even then you're getting a shitty, not-quite-right screen print version, right?
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Last night was a bluevalley pep rally. They handed them out at the pre rally after shannon spoke about how ppl better rough ridin' wear them or sone players were leaving.
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Last night was a bluevalley pep rally. They handed them out at the pre rally after shannon spoke about how ppl better rough ridin' wear them or sone players were leaving.
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http://www.bizjournals.com/kansascity/potmsearch/detail/submission/1094971/Shannon_Spradling
I think we sat behind him and I trashed Will pretty hard early on when he got beat on D. But was nice when he his some 3's.
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Dick cheney
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what if will spradling is a complete badass?
Yeah, hoping for this
i've been saying this for years. was just waiting for everyone else to realize it.
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what if will spradling is a complete badass?
Yeah, hoping for this
i've been saying this for years. was just waiting for everyone else to realize it.
You have been wrong for years.
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Spradling has been decent since he's been here. Anyone who says differently is trying too hard.
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Spradling has been decent since he's been here. Anyone who says differently is trying too hard.
You are giving "decent" a big umbrella.
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Spradling has been decent since he's been here. Anyone who says differently is trying too hard.
You are giving "decent" a big umbrella.
Not considering the players we've had for the past twenty years that I've been watching.
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Sprads has been more bad than good. He's closing the gap somewhat now. But it still exists.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
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He was really really good last night. Very fun to watch.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Nailed it, as usual.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Nailed it, as usual.
Was basically my point. He couldn't hit anything last year and our offense did a good job getting him open looks. His job was to hit them and last year he didn't.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.
This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.
This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Are you citing that three point percentage is a good thing?
At 38%, there are roughly 40 teams who have a collective shooting percentage better than Sprads from three, and over a HUNDRED individual players who shoot better from three.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.
This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Are you citing that three point percentage is a good thing?
At 38%, there are roughly 40 teams who have a collective shooting percentage better than Sprads from three, and over a HUNDRED individual players who shoot better from three.
I'm comparing to my experience of watching K-State basketball. I didn't say Sprads was going to be an All American. 38% compared to the history of K-State hoops is respectable.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.
This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Are you citing that three point percentage is a good thing?
At 38%, there are roughly 40 teams who have a collective shooting percentage better than Sprads from three, and over a HUNDRED individual players who shoot better from three.
I'm comparing to my experience of watching K-State basketball. I didn't say Sprads was going to be an All American. 38% compared to the history of K-State hoops is respectable.
Well, that's not true if you look at the last decade of KSU hoops (i.e. Cartier, and Pullen) but if you want to get into debating the hapless 90's, I guess you are right. We've had at least one guy (many years, two) every year for the last decade who have hit that mark. If Rodney weren't having his worst shooting year of his career, Will wouldn't be thought of as our "shooter."
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HUNDRED!!!
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HUNDRED!!!
Clearly that was an exaggeration. Thanks for pointing that out. There's really only 80.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p2
Man, you brought some levity to this.
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HUNDRED!!!
Clearly that was an exaggeration. Thanks for pointing that out. There's really only 80.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p2
Man, you brought some levity to this.
:ohno: how many were worse???
80 :runaway: :runaway:
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sprads is doing better this year. we should be happy about that.
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HUNDRED!!!
Clearly that was an exaggeration. Thanks for pointing that out. There's really only 80.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p2
Man, you brought some levity to this.
:ohno: how many were worse???
80 :runaway: :runaway:
Great question, super poster Yosh. I guess the answer you are looking for is "more," eh?
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Sprads is below average for a big 12 2.
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Sprads is below average for a big 12 2.
Big 12 2
yosh is going to be sooooo pissed that I beat him to this....
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HUNDRED!!!
Clearly that was an exaggeration. Thanks for pointing that out. There's really only 80.
http://www.ncaa.com/stats/basketball-men/d1/current/individual/143/p2
Man, you brought some levity to this.
:ohno: how many were worse???
80 :runaway: :runaway:
Great question, super poster Yosh. I guess the answer you are looking for is "more," eh?
no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
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Sprads is below average for a big 12 2.
Big 12 2
yosh is going to be sooooo pissed that I beat him to this....
I am ready for an angry yosh
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no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired. KEEP GOING, YOSH!
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no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired. KEEP GOING, YOSH!
Did you really need to put "HUNDRED" in all caps?
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no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired. KEEP GOING, YOSH!
Did you really need to put "HUNDRED" in all caps?
You've done it twice as much as me, in this thread alone.
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no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired. KEEP GOING, YOSH!
Did you really need to put "HUNDRED" in all caps?
You've done it twice as much as me, in this thread alone.
lol Touche.
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no really. I think your on to something. I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson :ohno: I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...
Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired. KEEP GOING, YOSH!
Did you really need to put "HUNDRED" in all caps?
You've done it twice as much as me, in this thread alone.
lol Touche.
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Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486
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Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486
:dunno:
Conventional basketball wisdom tells me that 38% is good not great. Equivliant to a guy making 52% from two point range. Fouls not withstanding, you'd rather have a 38% 3-point shooter taking your shots, than a 50% shooting post.
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Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.
http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486
:dunno:
Conventional basketball wisdom tells me that 38% is good not great. Equivliant to a guy making 52% from two point range. Fouls not withstanding, you'd rather have a 38% 3-point shooter taking your shots, than a 50% shooting post.
57, not 52.
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Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.
Not a stretch, he was bad all year. He also did nothing to create for his teammates. This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.
He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.
This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Are you citing that three point percentage is a good thing?
At 38%, there are roughly 40 teams who have a collective shooting percentage better than Sprads from three, and over a HUNDRED individual players who shoot better from three.
I'm comparing to my experience of watching K-State basketball. I didn't say Sprads was going to be an All American. 38% compared to the history of K-State hoops is respectable.
Ya, plus considering the kind of higher volume shooter we need him to be this yr 38% vs what he shot in confy play last yt is not insignificant.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
All I said is that he is turning into the player this team needs him to be this year. You can go back and read my disappointment in how he played last year, in Big 12 play he was a big disappointment.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
Nearly every one of your posts reads like you're on the brink of a heart attack.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
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Will did well last night in that he didnt acct allergic to that's guarding him. He played reasonably aggressive compared to his two-dribble-in-then-pass-to-anyone-that-would-take-the-ball offense last yr.
He shot fine and didn't hurt us very bad on d last night.
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His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.
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His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.
Just call him Goldilocks.
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I will call him Schwartzenspradling. For that is what he is. An unfortunate reality of our recruiting.
Luckily, we have oscar Weber, so we will no longer suffer this malady.
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His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.
Just call him Goldilocks.
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_fan, are there any defensive metrics on Spradling? Seems like his man is constantly scoring or beating him off the dribble.
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No one cares, and I don't know why I'm telling you this (ahem. Too much booze) But I think Sprads is completely adorable and a pretty team player. I have low MBBIQ but really high HGWSIQ.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years. Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster. I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so. I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career. At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris. Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.
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_fan, are there any defensive metrics on Spradling? Seems like his man is constantly scoring or beating him off the dribble.
Defensive metric for basketball are the most inexact, useless stats ever and Will is a perfect example. Will is a very good team defensive player. There is no way to measure how often a guy is properly helping or playing screens or properly fronting or playing behind a post. Without knowing what defensive schemes we employ for each individual game, Will seems to be a very effective team defender.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years. Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster. I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so. I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career. At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris. Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.
Frank's failure is not recruiting Will, it's that he failed to do any better and chased off more talented guys. Will is the byproduct of several failures....consistent failure by Frank. See below for comparison to the names mentioned. I dissagree that he's tracking below any of them.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=lance-harris&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&will-spradling=career
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I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.
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If the guy ever warrants a silhouette likeness ala jake it must have the spracne
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I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.
Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.
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I know it was bs, but he should have chosen releford.
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I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.
Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.
is that why will played so many minutes under frank? hmmm....
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I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.
Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.
is that why will played so many minutes under frank? hmmm....
Still not sure if carnes is oblivious or intentional. Either way, fanning stuff?
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Will has been a definite positive this season
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are you guys still mad that Will helped get frank fired?
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Yeah, I'll never forgot where I was when I heard that Frank had been fired because of Sprads' accusations of sexual advances.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years. Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster. I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so. I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career. At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris. Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.
Frank's failure is not recruiting Will, it's that he failed to do any better and chased off more talented guys. Will is the byproduct of several failures....consistent failure by Frank. See below for comparison to the names mentioned. I dissagree that he's tracking below any of them.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=lance-harris&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&will-spradling=career
Harris starting next to ART & McGruder would be amazing.
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Will has been a definite positive this season week.
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years. Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster. I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so. I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career. At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris. Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.
Frank's failure is not recruiting Will, it's that he failed to do any better and chased off more talented guys. Will is the byproduct of several failures....consistent failure by Frank. See below for comparison to the names mentioned. I dissagree that he's tracking below any of them.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=lance-harris&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&will-spradling=career
Harris starting next to ART & McGruder would be amazing.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=nick-russell&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&p4=lance-harris&will-spradling=career
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You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career. Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment? If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career
MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far. When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior. Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman. If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed. He has struggled. That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be. I call it like it is. I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid. He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat. Not his fault he was the best option. When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.
Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years. Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster. I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so. I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career. At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris. Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.
Frank's failure is not recruiting Will, it's that he failed to do any better and chased off more talented guys. Will is the byproduct of several failures....consistent failure by Frank. See below for comparison to the names mentioned. I dissagree that he's tracking below any of them.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=lance-harris&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&will-spradling=career
Harris starting next to ART & McGruder would be amazing.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=nick-russell&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&p4=lance-harris&will-spradling=career
Damn Frank :curse: he's having a very productive season but those turnovers, woof
36mpg :eek:
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Yeah, I'll never forgot where I was when I heard that Frank had been fired because of Sprads' accusations of sexual advances.
:runaway:
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So, I bet he had killer stats last night right?
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2.0 conference sux (I'm giving him a pass on his freshman year).
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Not a good game, but Angel going brain dead put him at the point more than usual I think.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Strange, he's always been so awesome in conference play.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
I think I know what you're saying, but Will doesn't do anything equivalent to averaging almost 1TO per game in football.
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Well no, he's not an All league type player. And I wish that he could either hit shots or that we had a more talented player that did similar things, but that's not the case.
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Sprads waving teammates through when he's running to set a poor screen annoys the hell out of me.
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Sprads not hitting shots really annoys me.
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Sprads not hitting shots really annoys me.
yeah.
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HE can shoot FT's. Why isn't he trying to draw a F ton of fouls?
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Sprads not hitting shots really annoys me.
When he arrived, Frank said he could "shoot the cover off" the ball, and I fell into the belief he was our driveway shooter ala Ried, or Heslep. I expect it.
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Sprads not hitting shots really annoys me.
When he arrived, Frank said he could "shoot the cover off" the ball, and I fell into the belief he was our driveway shooter ala Ried, or Heslep. I expect it.
he said that about omari
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Sprads not hitting shots really annoys me.
When he arrived, Frank said he could "shoot the cover off" the ball, and I fell into the belief he was our driveway shooter ala Ried, or Heslep. I expect it.
he said that about omari
explains his air balls :lol:
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
:dubious:
Absurd and shameful, you've already dissected this yourself. Also Will is playing as many minutes simply because both coaches failed at recruiting better options and you know that. If we had any of the guards we have targeted the last two years; Gray, Smart, or Forte, Will's minutes would be greatly reduced. He is without a doubt in the bottom 1/3 of Big 12 starting guards. Saying anything positive about him at this point reeks of stubbornness.
Last year we had a littany of excuses; mean coach, out of position, injured. Can we after 2 1/2 years finally say he just stinks? Even the things he does well he's average at best but we pat him on the head because he's so bad. I was so thrilled to see him throw that lob today, that should be expected instead he gets brownie points because of his "growth," so tired of it.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
I love you _F, but that is just an awful comparo, and in no way "accurate."
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
What is that reason? Please, somebody with a HBBIQ explain to me, specifically, what his worth is. I'm clueless.
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
I love you _F, but that is just an awful comparo, and in no way "accurate."
Didn't Zimm just get 1st team all conference honors? I'll give you the Sprads fills a needed role thing but that comparo kinda sucks. I was about to toss out Wilson as a possible comparo for Sprads but even Braden is considered one of the best FBs in the country so that doesn't really work either. Maybe a Puetz?
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Will has to play, but he has to make open shots. Disappointing game from him.
Why does Will have to play? Maybe as a sub for Angel but him continuing to get 35 minutes a game is ridiculous. He does nothing.
Will's worth is similar to Zimm's in football. Many won't agree, but I don't care. Its pretty accurate, there is a reason coaches (2 now) continue to play him through awful shooting days like he had today.
bullshit. zim is a rough ridin' stud and comparing him to sprad in any way, shape or form is ridiculous. zim makes plays game in game out. spradling played 34 minutes today and with thirty seconds left, had 0 points and 4 fouls. he then proceeded to miss the front end of a one and one and then missed the second of a twofer ten seconds later to finish 1/3 from the line with one point and four fouls from the game. that whole pass up to rod (that he barely got) with the following layup miss and followup by nino only came about because of how big of an absolute pussy will is. if he would have made those earlier free throws then there is now way in the world that he hot potatoes the ball at that part in the game.
will is a space filler and not a playmaker. zim is the opposite. the best thing that you can say about will is that he doesn't shoot more than he should or that he doesn't try to make plays that he can't. that's a pretty rough ridin' embarrassing thing to say about someone btw and if i was zim i'd be pretty upset at you for comparing me to him.
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Welker? Werner?
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Welker? Werner?
I meant to tap the qoute but instead I hit your twitter. Figured while I was there, I'd check out who follows you. I know several personally and now I'm wondering if they're goemawers. Theres one I really hope is cause he's cool.
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I knew that would rile up the crowd.
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I knew that would rile up the crowd.
_fan gonna kim carnes.
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Spradling : ksu basketball :: fluffer : a porn movie
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well that's not very nice.
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Spradling : ksu basketball :: fluffer : a porn movie
Should never be seen on screen?
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I knew that would rile up the crowd.
You should be ashamed of slamming your boy Zimmerman like that.
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Sprads=Jessie Tetuan
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Sprads=Jessie Tetuan
nope
sprads=sprads
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I knew that would rile up the crowd.
You should be ashamed of slamming your boy Zimmerman like that.
Meh.
The comparison was simple; both are coach's sons and their coaches trust them because they get in proper alignment most of the time and help teammates do the same. That said, Zimm is at another level because he has more physical tools and is likely a future pro. Sprads' future in basketball will only be as a coach. I'll readily acknowledge that because of Sprads' limitations if either coach had recruited a better player to play his spot (like Josh Gray) his minutes would be down, but he wouldn't be out and would still be playing 20-25 MPG. By February his FR year Sprads was playing 25-30 MPG and he has been playing 30+ since, there is a reason for that.
That said, he's got to be a more consistent offensive threat and hit shots, or I'm fine with Tay or Shane taking some of his minutes, but I doubt oscar is even considering that.
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Sprads = 2 Y's
Why the hell do coaches keep playing them? I don't know, but they never, ever get pulled.
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Sprads can neither score nor defend. If we had gotten even one of those recruits he would have ran off to Topeka and finished as a Bod.
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Sprads = 2 Y's
no, Jakesie, no. 2Y gets paid to play
sprads=sprads there is no other acceptable response
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Sprads = 2 Y's
no, Jakesie, no. 2Y gets paid to play
sprads=sprads there is no other acceptable response
I knew someone was going to bring up the fact that he plays in the NFL. Should have mentioned that in the original post so someone didn't think they were being clever by bringing it up. You know what I meant.
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I bet Sprads would be an awful coach.
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I don't agree on defense. He's not dominant or a shut down guy, but he's a solid defender. He's excellent at help, he doesn't just draw charges because he's lucky.
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I lol'd when the OSU guy jacked him in the face on the opening tip.
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He's garbage on the ball. The only thing I have given him credit on is he appears to be a good team defender. We also have no evidence that he will be a good coach. I don't know what about a below average, emotionally fragile tweener guard screams good coach.
Also it seems the only defense left are the minutes that he's gotten, that's a tap if I've ever read one.
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We don't have any evidence he'd be a bad coach. Ergo... Sprads > oscar Weber. Go get em Currie.
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why is goEMAW so obsessed with spradling?
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why is goEMAW so obsessed with spradling?
He plays the most minutes on our basketball team and his dad tried to get our last coach fired.
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why is goEMAW so obsessed with spradling?
He plays the most minutes on our basketball team and his dad tried to get our last coach fired.
he got our last head coach fired? whoa, i didn't know that.
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He plays the most minutes on our basketball team and his dad tried to get our last coach fired.
I would love to know the mindset one has when he decides its a good idea to reply to a kim carnes post.
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He plays the most minutes on our basketball team and his dad tried to get our last coach fired.
I would love to know the mindset one has when he decides its a good idea to reply to a kim carnes post.
MiR, you are really dumb.
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I bet Sprads would be an awful coach.
Agreed, and can you imagine him as a recruiter? lol
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He's garbage on the ball. The only thing I have given him credit on is he appears to be a good team defender. We also have no evidence that he will be a good coach. I don't know what about a below average, emotionally fragile tweener guard screams good coach.
#Gottlieb4KSU
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He's garbage on the ball. The only thing I have given him credit on is he appears to be a good team defender. We also have no evidence that he will be a good coach. I don't know what about a below average, emotionally fragile tweener guard screams good coach.
#Gottlieb4KSU
not sure if serious, you may want to go to www.big12sports.com and look at the record book. Doug Gottlieb was one of the best point guards in the history of this conference. Comparing him to sprads in any way is absurd. Will is a much better defender and ft shooter but every single person in the history of the world would take the trade off.
Completely disregarding their playing careers, have you listened to the two of them? Do you really think Will will ever have the confidence and personality Doug has?
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I knew that would rile up the crowd.
You should be ashamed of slamming your boy Zimmerman like that.
Meh.
The comparison was simple; both are coach's sons and their coaches trust them because they get in proper alignment most of the time and help teammates do the same. That said, Zimm is at another level because he has more physical tools and is likely a future pro. Sprads' future in basketball will only be as a coach. I'll readily acknowledge that because of Sprads' limitations if either coach had recruited a better player to play his spot (like Josh Gray) his minutes would be down, but he wouldn't be out and would still be playing 20-25 MPG. By February his FR year Sprads was playing 25-30 MPG and he has been playing 30+ since, there is a reason for that.
That said, he's got to be a more consistent offensive threat and hit shots, or I'm fine with Tay or Shane taking some of his minutes, but I doubt oscar is even considering that.
it's still a bad comparison. ask yourself this, how good would a college football team be with a bunch of ty zimmermans at every position? because i'm pretty sure that would be a great team. then ask yourself how good a college basketball team would be with a bunch of will spradlings at every postion? cause i'm pretty sure they wouldn't be very good. being a coaches son and having a coach trust you is great and all and yeah there are obviously reasons why will plays. but at the end of the day you need to have some players that actually make plays. zims does in spades. will never has and never will. bad comparo. will is maybe carson coffman or something.
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Will's probably too scared to get or use his own credit card, let alone steal a few.
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will is maybe carson coffman or something.
:surprised:
:lol:
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We also have no evidence that he will be a good coach. I don't know what about a below average, emotionally fragile tweener guard screams good coach.
It's because he's white.