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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #50 on: December 23, 2012, 07:18:12 PM »

no really.  I think your on to something.  I wonder how many players get more rebounds per game than Gipson   :ohno:  I'm not sure this is a thread I want to start pulling...

Man, you are doing things with posting that the rest of us can only look at and be inspired.  KEEP GOING, YOSH!



Did you really need to put "HUNDRED" in all caps?

You've done it twice as much as me, in this thread alone.

lol Touche.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #51 on: December 23, 2012, 07:25:20 PM »
Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #52 on: December 23, 2012, 07:31:06 PM »
Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486

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Conventional basketball wisdom tells me that 38% is good not great.   Equivliant to a guy making 52% from two point range.  Fouls not withstanding, you'd rather have a 38% 3-point shooter taking your shots, than a 50% shooting post.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #53 on: December 23, 2012, 07:38:49 PM »
Top 10 in the Big 12 in 3PT percentage seems pretty good, almost even with Heslip.

http://www.big12sports.com/ViewContent.dbml?&DB_OEM_ID=10410&CONTENT_ID=254486

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Conventional basketball wisdom tells me that 38% is good not great.   Equivliant to a guy making 52% from two point range.  Fouls not withstanding, you'd rather have a 38% 3-point shooter taking your shots, than a 50% shooting post.

57, not 52.

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« Reply #54 on: December 23, 2012, 07:45:58 PM »
Sprads had a terrible stretch of shooting last year, this can't be denied. But he is a solid basketball player and I think he's showing growth. We need him to be good to be a NCAA team and top 4 Big 12 team. I think he will be.

Not a stretch, he was bad all year.  He also did nothing to create for his teammates.  This season he's been better elsewhere but he's still shot poorly, considering.


He shot the ball solid through the 1st Missouri game last year. After that he had a couple solid games, but shot poorly in Big 12 play.

This year he leads in offensive rating and has the best FT rate of the perimeter players. 38% from 3. We'll see if he can keep it up.

Are you citing that three point percentage is a good thing?

At 38%, there are roughly 40 teams who have a collective shooting percentage better than Sprads from three, and over a HUNDRED individual players who shoot better from three.

I'm comparing to my experience of watching K-State basketball. I didn't say Sprads was going to be an All American. 38% compared to the history of K-State hoops is respectable.

Ya, plus considering the kind of higher volume shooter we need him to be this yr 38% vs what he shot in confy play last yt is not insignificant.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #55 on: December 23, 2012, 07:54:29 PM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

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« Reply #56 on: December 23, 2012, 07:57:43 PM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

All I said is that he is turning into the player this team needs him to be this year. You can go back and read my disappointment in how he played last year, in Big 12 play he was a big disappointment.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #57 on: December 23, 2012, 08:08:42 PM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

Nearly every one of your posts reads like you're on the brink of a heart attack.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #58 on: December 23, 2012, 08:21:08 PM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far.  When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior.  Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman.  If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed.  He has struggled.  That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be.  I call it like it is.  I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid.  He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat.  Not his fault he was the best option.  When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #59 on: December 23, 2012, 08:47:59 PM »
Will did well last night in that he didnt acct allergic to that's guarding him. He played reasonably aggressive compared to his two-dribble-in-then-pass-to-anyone-that-would-take-the-ball offense last yr.

He shot fine and didn't hurt us very bad on d last night.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #60 on: December 23, 2012, 08:50:12 PM »
His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #61 on: December 23, 2012, 10:17:19 PM »
His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.

Just call him Goldilocks.

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So Sprads
« Reply #62 on: December 23, 2012, 11:12:54 PM »
I will call him Schwartzenspradling.    For that is what he is.   An unfortunate reality of our recruiting. 

Luckily, we have oscar Weber, so we will no longer suffer this malady.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #63 on: December 23, 2012, 11:22:46 PM »
His first season exceeded expectations, his second failed to meet expectations, and this season is about what you would expect from a third or fourth option.

Just call him Goldilocks.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #64 on: December 23, 2012, 11:35:04 PM »
_fan, are there any defensive metrics on Spradling? Seems like his man is constantly scoring or beating him off the dribble.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #65 on: December 23, 2012, 11:53:21 PM »
No one cares, and I don't know why I'm telling you this (ahem. Too much booze) But I think Sprads is completely adorable and a pretty team player. I have low MBBIQ but really high HGWSIQ.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #66 on: December 24, 2012, 12:01:08 AM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far.  When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior.  Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman.  If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed.  He has struggled.  That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be.  I call it like it is.  I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid.  He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat.  Not his fault he was the best option.  When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.

Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years.  Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster.  I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so.  I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career.  At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris.  Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #67 on: December 24, 2012, 12:06:56 AM »
_fan, are there any defensive metrics on Spradling? Seems like his man is constantly scoring or beating him off the dribble.

Defensive metric for basketball are the most inexact, useless stats ever and Will is a perfect example.  Will is a very good team defensive player. There is no way to measure how often a guy is properly helping or playing screens or properly fronting or playing behind a post.  Without knowing what defensive schemes we employ for each individual game, Will seems to be a very effective team defender.

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« Reply #68 on: December 24, 2012, 09:28:01 AM »
You can play with any stat you want to, bottom line is that any program should expect better production at the starting 2, one in his third year that has played the ridiculous amount of minutes Will has played in his career.  Yosh and _FAN are you too arguing that over his career Will hasn't been a disappointment?  If so you are clearly judging him based on his pedestrian performance instead of what should be expected of him at this point. My goodness he's averaged more MPG over his career than Rodney and last nights 17 point game was far and away the best of his career

MIR, it's ridiculous that he's had to play so many minutes thus far.  When Spradling was recruited, I thought he would not play at all as a freshman, then be an off the bench role player for two years, and probably start as a senior.  Never would I have guess he would play so many minutes as an underclassman.  If you'd have told me he would need to start as an underclassman, I would say that he will probably struggle, so, no, he hasn't dissappointed.  He has struggled.  That said, he is, according to two head coaches, the best option we have, and not the piece of garbage this board makes him out to be.  I call it like it is.  I'm not going to inflate the guy like the racist tucks and Bob Knight do, but if you think he's the worst player on the team, or doesn't belong in division one, like I hear all the time, then you're just bitter or stupid.  He's a guy who had too much asked of him too soon, and became a scapegoat.  Not his fault he was the best option.  When it's all said and done, he won't have All-American numbers, but he'll have put up a solid career.

Will Spradling is Frank Martin's biggest failure, I've said that for 2 years.  Will is a D1 player, he should have never been on this roster.  I'm assuming he was recruited for the ideal role of the shooter off of the bench and frankly he never has been that, or equipped to do so.  I think we're closer to agreeing to disagreeing although I don't agree that he will finish up with a solid career.  At this point for me he is projecting worse than Clent and Lance Harris.  Pete's Schwartzendruber compro is a good one IMO, a D1 player for sure but not one who should be getting anywhere near 30 mpg on a team that expects to play for anything significant.

Frank's failure is not recruiting Will, it's that he failed to do any better and chased off more talented guys.  Will is the byproduct of several failures....consistent failure by Frank.  See below for comparison to the names mentioned.  I dissagree that he's tracking below any of them.

http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-swartzendruber=career&add=lance-harris&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&p1=will-spradling&p2=clent-stewart&p3=aaron-swartzendruber&will-spradling=career

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #69 on: December 24, 2012, 09:56:55 AM »
I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #70 on: December 24, 2012, 10:03:46 AM »
If the guy ever warrants a silhouette likeness ala jake it must have the spracne

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #71 on: December 24, 2012, 10:04:23 AM »
I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.

Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #72 on: December 24, 2012, 10:30:48 AM »
I know it was bs, but he should have chosen releford.

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #73 on: December 24, 2012, 10:35:38 AM »
I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.

Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.

is that why will played so many minutes under frank?  hmmm....

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Re: So Sprads
« Reply #74 on: December 24, 2012, 10:38:32 AM »
I'd guess Frank regrets recruiting Will.

Ya, I think that is something everyone can agree on.

is that why will played so many minutes under frank?  hmmm....

Still not sure if carnes is oblivious or intentional.  Either way, fanning stuff?