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Kansas State has so many talented, super-athletic kids, and pretty much none of them have an NBA position. Wonder if that's by design.
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from Hoopdata
Kansas State has so many talented, super-athletic kids, and pretty much none of them have an NBA position. Wonder if that's by design.
um, no.
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So it's just an accident that we're not going to lose anyone to the draft? :dunno: What kind of NBA talent do we have coming in next year?
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So it's just an accident that we're not going to lose anyone to the draft? :dunno: What kind of NBA talent do we have coming in next year?
It's not an accident, nor is it by design. It's because of sh*tty recruiting.
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So it's just an accident that we're not going to lose anyone to the draft? :dunno: What kind of NBA talent do we have coming in next year?
It's not an accident, nor is it by design. It's because of sh*tty recruiting.
Pump on the brakes, there, sparky. I've seen sh*tty recruiting (we all have), and this isn't it. Not great, but not sh*tty either.
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So it's just an accident that we're not going to lose anyone to the draft? :dunno: What kind of NBA talent do we have coming in next year?
It's not an accident, nor is it by design. It's because of sh*tty recruiting.
Pump on the brakes, there, sparky. I've seen sh*tty recruiting (we all have), and this isn't it. Not great, but not sh*tty either.
that's fair. Average recruiting is probably a better description.
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accident fits perfectly.
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accident fits perfectly.
Yeah, also fair. I should just shut up.
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No, the last thing you should do is shut up. If you shut up about recruiting, this board would be recruiting analyst-less, like our beat writing.
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I used to accuse Roy Williams of doing this (because I think it's a brilliant move if even possible). It's like getting a guy like Hansbrough (or Reesing for that matter). Talented tweeners/guys that fit the college game but not the pros are excellent program guys. You get them for 4 years and can mix in a 2 cycles of two-year NBA talent and make a run every few years.
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Really is the perfect strategy imo.
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I used to accuse Roy Williams of doing this (because I think it's a brilliant move if even possible). It's like getting a guy like Hansbrough (or Reesing for that matter). Talented tweeners/guys that fit the college game but not the pros are excellent program guys. You get them for 4 years and can mix in a 2 cycles of two-year NBA talent and make a run every few years.
Yep, still a little too early in Frank's tenure to have those types of players looking at K-State, but it's fun to believe in 2-4 years we're going to be in a similar position with a 1 or 2 and done type player coming in like a Bill Walker.
Also you never know what will happen between now and next November. We could be in the running for the next Xavier Henry this summer once all the coaching dust settles in another month or so.
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Thread had potential until rusty crap all over it
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Really is the perfect strategy imo.
No, it isn't.
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Who are the NBA prospects that Frank has missed on?
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Who are the NBA prospects that Frank has missed on?
All of them
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Really is the perfect strategy imo.
No, it isn't.
Yeah. It's hard to call it perfect when the guy I associated with it never won a title at Kansas (although that also dubiously assumes that I know what I'm talking about). But it's a good way to develop a program that's sucked for awhile.
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Which NBA prospects has Frank recruited?
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Which NBA prospects has Frank recruited?
stefhon hannah (before Mike Anderson ruined him...)
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Which NBA prospects has Frank recruited?
Cousins :dunno:
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Which NBA prospects has Frank recruited?
Cousins
Aminu
Wall
Witherspoon
Warren
John Henson
Jeff Taylor
Avery Bradley
I'm sure there's many more.
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mitchell.
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I refuse to believe that chum didn't know that response was coming.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
4 yrs removed from Wooly and 2 trips to the NCAA's now. No doubt it isn't what you want to do if you are a perennial top 5 team. Prob is that we are not, not yet. Don't know a better way to work our way to that, though. Our program is still pretty fragile.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
If you're saying spending significant time recruiting Wall would have been a waste, I would agree. That doesn't mean Frank has chosen to avoid recruitment of good players by design.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
If you're saying spending significant time recruiting Wall would have been a waste, I would agree. That doesn't mean Frank has chosen to avoid recruitment of good players by design.
OK, we're in agreement then.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
If you're saying spending significant time recruiting Wall would have been a waste, I would agree. That doesn't mean Frank has chosen to avoid recruitment of good players by design.
Nothing in the OP precludes this statement. There's something to be said for recruiting freakish athletes that have no true position in the NBA. That obviously don't preclude taking a 1-and-done player, but you can't build a program on those.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
If you're saying spending significant time recruiting Wall would have been a waste, I would agree. That doesn't mean Frank has chosen to avoid recruitment of good players by design.
Nothing in the OP precludes this statement. There's something to be said for recruiting freakish athletes that have no true position in the NBA. That obviously don't preclude taking a 1-and-done player, but you can't build a program on those.
Yep. Although there's usually a predominant overlap, being good at the college game does not necessarily mean being good at the NBA game. You can recruit great college players who may never have an impact in the NBA (and will consequently stay 3-4 years). Again, Hansbrough is a great example. It gives you talent, experience and continuity. It's like recruiting guys like Tebow at QB to exploit weaknesses in college defenses that aren't there in the pros because of the huge jump in talent/size/athleticism between the two levels. JJ Redick and Adam Morrison dropped 30/night in college, and now can't get a shot off in the NBA. Similar to Sean May at UNC. Unreal post player in college that just disappeared as a tweener in the NBA.
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There's no way we had a realistic shot at Wall.
That counts as a miss.
So he should have just ignored him completely? I doubt we wasted any significant time on him.
If you're saying spending significant time recruiting Wall would have been a waste, I would agree. That doesn't mean Frank has chosen to avoid recruitment of good players by design.
Nothing in the OP precludes this statement. There's something to be said for recruiting freakish athletes that have no true position in the NBA. That obviously don't preclude taking a 1-and-done player, but you can't build a program on those.
Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
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The NBA is full of tweeners. The original point is just dumb because there are only a few teams that consistantly get ones and done.
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The NBA is full of tweeners. The original point is just dumb because there are only a few teams that consistantly get ones and done.
And we also have 2, maybe 3 super athletic players.
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And we also have 2, maybe 3 super athletic players.
Sutton. Wally. Clemente?
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And we also have 2, maybe 3 super athletic players.
Sutton. Wally. Clemente?
Yeah, because of his speed.
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samuels more than judge. at least to date. judge needs to do something athletic in a game. he's always off balance.
a lot of bball talking heads talk up samuels' lateral quickness too. not sure i've noticed that, but they probably know what they're talking about.
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samuels more than judge. at least to date. judge needs to do something athletic in a game. he's always off balance.
a lot of bball talking heads talk up samuels' lateral quickness too. not sure i've noticed that, but they probably know what they're talking about.
I'd throw JamSam in there two. I think he and Judge are similar athletes.
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Jamar isn't freakish.
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Jamar isn't freakish.
i hate that term as applied to athleticism. i don't really even know what it means. i mean sutton is probably as good an all around athlete as kstate has had in living memory. but i can't think of anything "freakish" i've ever seen him do.
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Freakish just means off the charts. It seems like not many of our fans realize what a freak Judge truly is.
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This thread needs a Warrior, who is also a Poet.
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Doods, C. Kelly has a lot more upside than JAMSAM, not to mention more athleticism and pure basketball skills.
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If there's one thing PW knows, it's pro measurables. Except when he doesn't.
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Pullen is athletic you idiots.
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Pullen is athletic you idiots.
Again, nothing special.
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Pullen is athletic you idiots.
Again, nothing special.
His quickness on the defensive end is special. But no, he can't do a reverse two handed slam or anything like that I guess.
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
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An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I rough ridin' hate Rusty.
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An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I rough ridin' hate Rusty.
you been to Vegas lately??
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Pullen is athletic you idiots.
Again, nothing special.
His quickness on the defensive end is special. But no, he can't do a reverse two handed slam or anything like that I guess.
Not really. It's very good, but not exceptional.
Pullen's strength is his balance; he's not pigeonholed into any one skillset. He's a good shooter with great range, a good slasher with a good pull-up and decent finishing ability, a good FT shooter when he gets fouled, a great defender, and possesses a high enough BBIQ.
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Pullen is athletic you idiots.
Again, nothing special.
His quickness on the defensive end is special. But no, he can't do a reverse two handed slam or anything like that I guess.
Not really. It's very good, but not exceptional.
Pullen's strength is his balance; he's not pigeonholed into any one skillset. He's a good shooter with great range, a good slasher with a good pull-up and decent finishing ability, a good FT shooter when he gets fouled, a great defender, and possesses a high enough BBIQ.
so you agree? he sure made "jimmer" look amazingly slow, not that he isnt, at least 3 times...
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Jimmer also is not a pro.
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
I hope you're right.
An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I fracking hate Rusty.
I corrected myself and said KSU's recruiting has been average. Why would that statement make you hate me? Seems like a pretty stupid reason to hate someone.
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I dont actually hate you but your body of work is so overally pessimistic it's hard to stomach sometimes.
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I dont actually hate you but your body of work is so overally pessimistic it's hard to stomach sometimes.
What's pessimistic about what I'm saying? It's the way things are - I can be 100% on board with Frank and extremely optimistic about his future without pretending every single thing he does is perfect. My only issue is people that think his deficiencies are by design, which is stupid and dishonest.
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
I hope you're right.
An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I fracking hate Rusty.
I corrected myself and said KSU's recruiting has been average. Why would that statement make you hate me? Seems like a pretty stupid reason to hate someone.
Really, he's gotten a lot of kids who, while talented, weren't guys who were first priorities elsewhere. That's called just accumulating talent and making it work, and that's to be appreciated. But soon enough, he's going to have to parlay this into a couple of elite guys because this is a tough way of doing business.
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
I hope you're right.
An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I fracking hate Rusty.
I corrected myself and said KSU's recruiting has been average. Why would that statement make you hate me? Seems like a pretty stupid reason to hate someone.
Really, he's gotten a lot of kids who, while talented, weren't guys who were first priorities elsewhere. That's called just accumulating talent and making it work, and that's to be appreciated. But soon enough, he's going to have to parlay this into a couple of elite guys because this is a tough way of doing business.
The ridiculous amount of national exposure we're getting right now is a good start.
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
I hope you're right.
An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I fracking hate Rusty.
I corrected myself and said KSU's recruiting has been average. Why would that statement make you hate me? Seems like a pretty stupid reason to hate someone.
Really, he's gotten a lot of kids who, while talented, weren't guys who were first priorities elsewhere. That's called just accumulating talent and making it work, and that's to be appreciated. But soon enough, he's going to have to parlay this into a couple of elite guys because this is a tough way of doing business.
The ridiculous amount of national exposure we're getting right now is a good start.
As Rusty has pointed out before to me, It has done dick so far...
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Actually, it is contradictory. "Tweener" is just a nice word for players that don't have the skills to play in the NBA - they're the next best thing to someone who has them. Frank can't get NBA talent, but is recruiting the next best thing. He isn't employing some shrewd strategy he leaned from Roy.
Yes, Frank hasn't gotten NBA talent to come to a program that had been relevant for all of 15 minutes since 1988. I seriously doubt its a trend that continues over his coaching tenure.
I hope you're right.
An entire thread about poor recruitng that has resulted in an excellant shot at the Elite 8 and possibly more? Said it before and I'll say it again: I fracking hate Rusty.
I corrected myself and said KSU's recruiting has been average. Why would that statement make you hate me? Seems like a pretty stupid reason to hate someone.
Really, he's gotten a lot of kids who, while talented, weren't guys who were first priorities elsewhere. That's called just accumulating talent and making it work, and that's to be appreciated. But soon enough, he's going to have to parlay this into a couple of elite guys because this is a tough way of doing business.
The ridiculous amount of national exposure we're getting right now is a good start.
As Rusty has pointed out before to me, It has done dick so far...
You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
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As Rusty has pointed out before to me, It has done dick so far...
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To be fair, we didn't start receiving all the national love until after we had Nino, Sprads, and Freddy all but locked up, if not signed. We only have the one 'ship available now, and as mentioned, the quiet from this front may mean we have something lined up.
My point: I think this is a timing issue. Next year will be the year for dividends from national exposure. That is assuming we aren't .500 by signing day.
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You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
What did the 07-08 season get us? Since November of 2008, KSU's recruiting hasn't been much better than the Wooldridge era.
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You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
What did the 07-08 season get us? Since November of 2008, KSU's recruiting hasn't been much better than the Wooldridge era.
We've never gotten the love and attention we're getting right now.
Never.
Now, having said that, I say again that I defer to you on recruiting matters, so I'll shut up now.
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You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
What did the 07-08 season get us? Since November of 2008, KSU's recruiting hasn't been much better than the Wooldridge era.
We've never gotten the love and attention we're getting right now.
Never.
Now, having said that, I say again that I defer to you on recruiting matters, so I'll shut up now.
True, but it was far more than KSU had ever experienced. You'd at least expect at least a slight bump, wouldn't you? Other than that beautiful July Boynton mention, (which was really a Gerald Green-esque moment), there has been little more than disappointment on the recruiting trail. I just think people over estimate the impact short-term exposure can have.
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You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
What did the 07-08 season get us? Since November of 2008, KSU's recruiting hasn't been much better than the Wooldridge era.
We've never gotten the love and attention we're getting right now.
Never.
Now, having said that, I say again that I defer to you on recruiting matters, so I'll shut up now.
True, but it was far more than KSU had ever experienced. You'd at least expect at least a slight bump, wouldn't you? Other than that beautiful July Boynton mention, (which was really a Gerald Green-esque moment), there has been little more than disappointment on the recruiting trail. I just think people over estimate the impact short-term exposure can have.
Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited? Don't know about Southwell, but thought we were cautiously optimistic about him?
I know nothing about recruiting beyond 2011, so I won't even go there.
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited? Don't know about Southwell, but thought we were cautiously optimistic about him?
I know nothing about recruiting beyond 2011, so I won't even go there.
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved. For Southwell, we beat out South Carolina. I think both players will be fine, but the staff hasn't really beaten a high-major NCAA caliber team for a recruit yet. (DC Assault excepted, but that's another discussion)
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited? Don't know about Southwell, but thought we were cautiously optimistic about him?
I know nothing about recruiting beyond 2011, so I won't even go there.
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved. For Southwell, we beat out South Carolina. I think both players will be fine, but the staff hasn't really beaten a high-major NCAA caliber team for a recruit yet. (DC Assault excepted, but that's another discussion)
Hmmm. I guess I would be more concerned if we didn't return so damn much next year. If we're having this same discussion next year, I'll hit the "seriously concerned" button. Fair stance?
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It should be pointed out that where our recruits come from is a WGAF. There's nothing wrong with Clems, Kells, and Asprs. It's probably a great strategy for us.
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited? Don't know about Southwell, but thought we were cautiously optimistic about him?
I know nothing about recruiting beyond 2011, so I won't even go there.
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved. For Southwell, we beat out South Carolina. I think both players will be fine, but the staff hasn't really beaten a high-major NCAA caliber team for a recruit yet. (DC Assault excepted, but that's another discussion)
Hmmm. I guess I would be more concerned if we didn't return so damn much next year. If we're having this same discussion next year, I'll hit the "seriously concerned" button. Fair stance?
Well, if you want to hit that button, next November might be a more appropriate time. But even then, I'm not sure. Fallback plans and transfers have worked out pretty well so far.
It should be pointed out that where our recruits come from is a WGAF. There's nothing wrong with Clems, Kells, and Asprs. It's probably a great strategy for us.
Yep.
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Well, if you want to hit that button, next November might be a more appropriate time. But even then, I'm not sure. Fallback plans and transfers have worked out pretty well so far.
Sounds good.
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited?
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved.
this goes both ways. alvarez is a hype machine. and how many staffs are going to even bother recruiting a tropics player that kstate has offered?
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited?
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved.
this goes both ways. alvarez is a hype machine. and how many staffs are going to even bother recruiting a tropics player that kstate has offered?
It depends on how good they are. Lots of people recruited Javi Gonzales and Freddy before he went prep. Haven't been any high-majors KSU offered since, have there?
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Wasn't Asprilla highly recruited?
I don't think Asprilla visited anywhere but KSU, and you always question the interest received when Art is involved.
this goes both ways. alvarez is a hype machine. and how many staffs are going to even bother recruiting a tropics player that kstate has offered?
It depends on how good they are. Lots of people recruited Javi Gonzales and Freddy before he went prep. Haven't been any high-majors KSU offered since, have there?
hopefully about to be :pbj:
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
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You mean we haven't parlayed it into myriad blue chips over the past week and a half? What???!
:rolleyes:
What did the 07-08 season get us? Since November of 2008, KSU's recruiting hasn't been much better than the Wooldridge era.
The overwhelming majority of the attention we got from Beaz and Walker was negative.
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
yeah, over stuff with mike
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only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
there's no way.
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only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
there's no way.
well, there you go. warm up the dumbstick for OK.
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Well, if you want to hit that button, next November might be a more appropriate time. But even then, I'm not sure. Fallback plans and transfers have worked out pretty well so far.
That's the model I've been going with, though I will be pretty :runaway: if we don't get some elite mentions this summer.
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
Probably just one of those things where Frank forgot to call. If he sends Curtis some flowers and insists that he is sensitive, too, and has feelings, then it'll probably be ok. May cost him an evening going to see the latest Sandra Bullock chick-flick, though. :dunno:
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
yeah, over stuff with mike
and we still got Judge and 'Gruder??
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
yeah, over stuff with mike
and we still got Judge and 'Gruder??
We got those guys forever ago
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We got those guys forever ago
Yeah, both committed before B-Easy played a game at KSU.
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We got those guys forever ago
Yeah, both committed before B-Easy played a game at KSU.
Still don't understand how that effected our relationship with Kurtis. (Be easy on me guys, i'm trying to learn the ropes)
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
yeah, over stuff with mike
Something Mike did?
Something we did to Mike?
'te biting the hand that feeds?
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It was never my contention that the extra pub from winning was going to help recruiting volume significantly (though it can't hurt). I was always of the belief that Frank needed some credibility to go along with the relationships that he and the staff had created. My hope is not that the on court success is going have kids flocking to K-State...more that it will help the close ratio.
Also, while it makes me uncomfortable to not be obviously in contention for any of the '11 elites, I can't complain about the talent that has arrived to campus since Frank has been hired. My expectations are to be pleased with the class put together come November. (however I reserve the right to pull the panic meltdown switch at anytime between now and then....or after then)
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This might earn be a hit with the dumbstick, fwiw.
but...
up to this point, Frank & staff have earned the benefit of the doubt on recruiting. I can't think of anybody that they've successfully recruited to this point that was a complete washout. They've all served a purpose, Luis included.
So add that with more national success/attention, and it doesn't seem likely that recruiting will suffer anytime soon.
:dunno:
only if the bump from new exposure >>> the hit we take from Curtis Malone not being our best bud any more.
what happened with that relationship? Hurt feelings?
yeah, over stuff with mike
Something Mike did?
Something we did to Mike?
'te biting the hand that feeds?
stuff with Mike and his agent
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It was never my contention that the extra pub from winning was going to help recruiting volume significantly (though it can't hurt).
it's just a matter of being on natl tv and having recruits know/assume that you'll be on natl tv when they're playing. if you could get tons of games on natl tv (espn and espn2, plus sportscenter) without winning, it would have the same effect. but you can't.
i feel like i say this all the time, and lots of people never really understand it (not talking to yosh). it's not that they see a team on tv and they think "hey, i want to play there". it's that they see which teams are on tv and only choose from among those teams because they want to play on tv.
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It was never my contention that the extra pub from winning was going to help recruiting volume significantly (though it can't hurt).
it's just a matter of being on natl tv and having recruits know/assume that you'll be on natl tv when they're playing. if you could get tons of games on natl tv (espn and espn2, plus sportscenter) without winning, it would have the same effect. but you can't.
i feel like i say this all the time, and lots of people never really understand it (not talking to yosh). it's not that they see a team on tv and they think "hey, i want to play there". it's that they see which teams are on tv and only choose from among those teams because they want to play on tv.
Bingo. TV matters as much as anything else.
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Which NBA prospects has Frank recruited?
stefhon hannah (before Mike Anderson ruined him...)
Now leading the D-League "Select" Team.
Also, The Ed was probably at this.
http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/69079/rembert-explains-america-cheering-for-the-d-league-select-team-at-the-nba-summer-league-in-las-vegas