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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: sonofdaxjones on December 02, 2012, 10:12:00 PM
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6-36 in conference play over the last 5 seasons.
22 consecutive conference game losses.
4 consecutive last place finishes.
Sorry. TSC Love and all that. But it has to be said; either the worst, or second worst five year run since the inception of the Big 12 conference.
ku football . . . the WORST in the Big 12.
Sorry, again.
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Don't be sorry. They are big 10 worthy
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Dax you need to update your sig!
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Dax you need to update your sig!
Done
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6-36 in conference play over the last 5 seasons.
22 consecutive conference game losses.
4 consecutive last place finishes.
Sorry. TSC Love and all that. But it has to be said; either the worst, or second worst five year run since the inception of the Big 12 conference.
ku football . . . the WORST in the Big 12.
Sorry, again.
yep, all this after they fired MM after going on a witch hunt. :rolleyes: They are getting what they deserve.
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6-36 in conference play over the last 5 seasons.
22 consecutive conference game losses.
4 consecutive last place finishes.
Sorry. TSC Love and all that. But it has to be said; either the worst, or second worst five year run since the inception of the Big 12 conference.
ku football . . . the WORST in the Big 12.
Sorry, again.
yep, all this after they fired MM after going on a witch hunt. :rolleyes: They are getting what they deserve.
Agreed . . . the fantastic ego of Lew Perkins has cost that program dearly.
Meanwhile over in Manhattan they're putting (another) conference championship trophy in the trophy case, and putting steel in the sky on $100 million dollars in stadium improvements. While Cheyenne Zulu hopes to cobble together enough government largesse, endowment cash and other benevolence in order to get in position to keep their stadium from crumbling to the ground.
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It is incredibly hard to win there. Not sure Nick Saban could do any better
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I'm sure if Charlie can get to two wins next yr, that Gridiron Club thingy will......ahh never mind :lol:
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
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6-36 in conference play over the last 5 seasons.
22 consecutive conference game losses.
4 consecutive last place finishes.
Sorry. TSC Love and all that. But it has to be said; either the worst, or second worst five year run since the inception of the Big 12 conference.
ku football . . . the WORST in the Big 12.
Sorry, again.
yep, all this after they fired MM after going on a witch hunt. :rolleyes: They are getting what they deserve.
Agreed . . . the fantastic ego of Lew Perkins has cost that program dearly.
Meanwhile over in Manhattan they're putting (another) conference championship trophy in the trophy case, and putting steel in the sky on $100 million dollars in stadium improvements. While Cheyenne Zulu hopes to cobble together enough government largesse, endowment cash and other benevolence in order to get in position to keep their stadium from crumbling to the ground.
Cheyenne is probably out there tonight with a flashight, a cement trowel, and a bucket of patching cement just trying to hold that sum bitch together.
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I can see them getting 9th next year, if Baylor has a new coach or rhoads sticks around in aimes.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
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how much have they paid for this? $20 million? wonder what the cost per win is since manginos last year.
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6-36 in conference play over the last 5 seasons.
22 consecutive conference game losses.
4 consecutive last place finishes.
Sorry. TSC Love and all that. But it has to be said; either the worst, or second worst five year run since the inception of the Big 12 conference.
ku football . . . the WORST in the Big 12.
Sorry, again.
yep, all this after they fired MM after going on a witch hunt. :rolleyes: They are getting what they deserve.
Agreed . . . the fantastic ego of Lew Perkins has cost that program dearly.
Meanwhile over in Manhattan they're putting (another) conference championship trophy in the trophy case, and putting steel in the sky on $100 million dollars in stadium improvements. While Cheyenne Zulu hopes to cobble together enough government largesse, endowment cash and other benevolence in order to get in position to keep their stadium from crumbling to the ground.
Cheyenne is probably out there tonight with a flashight, a cement trowel, and a bucket of patching cement just trying to hold that sum bitch together.
He's kicking back, drinking a beer, and chuckling to himself. All going according to plan.
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Serious ?:
How far is the gap right now between us and them? Is it greater, less than, or equal to, say, 2002?
I'd say greater given the facilities investments we've made and can probably end up paying for.
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Don't be sorry. They are big 10 worthy
I told a ND fan that and he agreed and RT'd
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
This is an amazingly good question.
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how anyone could give enough fucks about them right now in grand prospective of all things K-State is beyond me.
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how anyone could give enough fucks about them right now in grand prospective of all things K-State is beyond me.
'cause they are the only f'g team in the Big 12 that is not bowl eligible on f'g bowl selecion Sunday :facepalm:
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how anyone could give enough fucks about them right now in grand prospective of all things K-State is beyond me.
I have interest in how they're doing, long-term, as it relates to the future health of our program.
I'd love for there to be a clear divide in the hearts and minds of this state in terms of which one is the "football school". I realize that their t-shirt fans will be there for football, but what I want is a situation like Pennsylvania where Pitt is the clear basketball school, and Penn State is the football school. We can't be splitting football fans and in-state players with them. We have enough of both going south of the border.
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I'm not sure if it's even possible for 9 Big 12 teams to become bowl eligible without KU losing all of their Big 12 games. I'm not sure if they were good or bad for the conference this year.
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Lots of KU fans on The Phog congratulating us on the SHARED Big 12 title. Thanks, guys! TSC!
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I'm not sure if it's even possible for 9 Big 12 teams to become bowl eligible without KU losing all of their Big 12 games. I'm not sure if they were good or bad for the conference this year.
Of course it's possible. Theoretically, every team in the Big 12 could be bowl eligible if the home team won every game since everybody plays at least six home games.
KU going 0-9 in conference helps, though. 6-6 Flood Aggie doesn't make a bowl without their sixth win in Lawrence.
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I'm not sure if it's even possible for 9 Big 12 teams to become bowl eligible without KU losing all of their Big 12 games. I'm not sure if they were good or bad for the conference this year.
Of course it's possible. Theoretically, every team in the Big 12 could be bowl eligible if the home team won every game since everybody plays at least six home games.
KU going 0-9 in conference helps, though. 6-6 Flood Aggie doesn't make a bowl without their sixth win in Lawrence.
Well, yeah, it's mathematically possible, but it would require KU losing to some of the worse teams and beating some of the better ones. That just seems very unlikely.
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I'm not sure if it's even possible for 9 Big 12 teams to become bowl eligible without KU losing all of their Big 12 games. I'm not sure if they were good or bad for the conference this year.
Of course it's possible. Theoretically, every team in the Big 12 could be bowl eligible if the home team won every game since everybody plays at least six home games.
KU going 0-9 in conference helps, though. 6-6 Flood Aggie doesn't make a bowl without their sixth win in Lawrence.
Well, yeah, it's mathematically possible, but it would require KU losing to some of the worse teams and beating some of the better ones. That just seems very unlikely.
This part seems pretty likely. :dunno:
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I'm not sure if it's even possible for 9 Big 12 teams to become bowl eligible without KU losing all of their Big 12 games. I'm not sure if they were good or bad for the conference this year.
Of course it's possible. Theoretically, every team in the Big 12 could be bowl eligible if the home team won every game since everybody plays at least six home games.
KU going 0-9 in conference helps, though. 6-6 Flood Aggie doesn't make a bowl without their sixth win in Lawrence.
Well, yeah, it's mathematically possible, but it would require KU losing to some of the worse teams and beating some of the better ones. That just seems very unlikely.
This part seems pretty likely. :dunno:
It's the combination that is unlikely.
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KU is also solely responsible for NIU getting a bcs bowl over OU. Personally I feel that the conference should nut up and make the squawks pay the financial difference or be kicked out and replaced with a school that has a commitment to d1 level football.
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KU is also solely responsible for NIU getting a bcs bowl over OU. Personally I feel that the conference should nut up and make the squawks pay the financial difference or be kicked out and replaced with a school that has a commitment to d1 level football.
Actually I'm rather proud of them for this....and believe it's probably their greatest acheivement in the four years. Nice job screwing OU lil bro :thumbsup:
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no one had to say it. dick.
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I feel bad for them. It would suck to have awful football. :frown:
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
You seem to be completely unaware that Mangino started all of this. There was no witch hunt, he wasn't fired because he was abusive. He was fired because he was an abusive prick who lost his team and lost his last 7 conference games in a season in which he should have won his division.
I feel you needed this reminder because you clearly forgot. Also if you are thinking about using the excuse of the investigation to excuse the record, I'll also remind you the investigation started with 2 games left in the season after he, yanno, lost 5 straight conference games.
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no one had to say it. dick.
:lol:
Trolling the Too Cool For Schoolers is easy.
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Same amount of talent.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
You seem to be completely unaware that Mangino started all of this. There was no witch hunt, he wasn't fired because he was abusive. He was fired because he was an abusive prick who lost his team and lost his last 7 conference games in a season in which he should have won his division.
I feel you needed this reminder because you clearly forgot. Also if you are thinking about using the excuse of the investigation to excuse the record, I'll also remind you the investigation started with 2 games left in the season after he, yanno, lost 5 straight conference games.
Perkins' meetings with players (and without Mangino) began mid-season, FWIW.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Fantastic question. Will listen off air
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KU is also solely responsible for NIU getting a bcs bowl over OU. Personally I feel that the conference should nut up and make the squawks pay the financial difference or be kicked out and replaced with a school that has a commitment to d1 level football.
They don't have that kind of money.
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We shouldn't count any games that take place after the first wk if November. They don't.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill, and the true reasoning will be disguised behind attempted football knowledge
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill, and the true reasoning will be disguised behind attempted football knowledge
the reality is that no one really knows at this point, and that in and of itself, is great
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
Weis does not yet realize how hard this is going to be. He thinks he is just going to go out and find some "better Johnnies and Joes" in the off-season. He has no clue what he is doing.
:bill:
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill, and the true reasoning will be disguised behind attempted football knowledge
the reality is that no one really knows at this point, and that in and of itself, is great
my point was KU's racism will be the reason they criticize Gill more than Weiss, no matter what the results on the field show.
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Tulsa fires AD over gambling probe
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8712599/tulsa-golden-hurricane-fire-athletic-director-ross-parmley-gambling-probe
Isn't this the guy ku wanted for AD after Lew was done milking the rubes?
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Tulsa fires AD over gambling probe
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8712599/tulsa-golden-hurricane-fire-athletic-director-ross-parmley-gambling-probe
Isn't this the guy ku wanted for AD after Lew was done milking the rubes?
yep. dodged a bullet there.
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Tulsa fires AD over gambling probe
http://espn.go.com/college-sports/story/_/id/8712599/tulsa-golden-hurricane-fire-athletic-director-ross-parmley-gambling-probe
Isn't this the guy ku wanted for AD after Lew was done milking the rubes?
No. That was Bubba Cunningham, who is now the AD at UNC.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill, and the true reasoning will be disguised behind attempted football knowledge
the reality is that no one really knows at this point, and that in and of itself, is great
my point was KU's racism will be the reason they criticize Gill more than Weiss, no matter what the results on the field show.
great point, my bad
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
You seem to be completely unaware that Mangino started all of this. There was no witch hunt, he wasn't fired because he was abusive. He was fired because he was an abusive prick who lost his team and lost his last 7 conference games in a season in which he should have won his division.
I feel you needed this reminder because you clearly forgot. Also if you are thinking about using the excuse of the investigation to excuse the record, I'll also remind you the investigation started with 2 games left in the season after he, yanno, lost 5 straight conference games.
Perkins' meetings with players (and without Mangino) began mid-season, FWIW.
I don't remember it that way. Either case Perkins wouldn't have done it if Mangino came anywhere close to fulfilling expectations. They completely sucked which made all the crap, he had been doing for years, matter.
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when it's all said and done, which hire will be criticized more, gill or weis?
Gill. Just because he followed a successful MM, and Weis did make the Chiefs better(OC), has a better track record, and will probably win some in the future. Weis doesnt seem in over his head like Gill did.
You seem to be completely unaware that Mangino started all of this. There was no witch hunt, he wasn't fired because he was abusive. He was fired because he was an abusive prick who lost his team and lost his last 7 conference games in a season in which he should have won his division.
I feel you needed this reminder because you clearly forgot. Also if you are thinking about using the excuse of the investigation to excuse the record, I'll also remind you the investigation started with 2 games left in the season after he, yanno, lost 5 straight conference games.
Perkins' meetings with players (and without Mangino) began mid-season, FWIW.
I don't remember it that way. Either case Perkins wouldn't have done it if Mangino came anywhere close to fulfilling expectations. They completely sucked which made all the crap, he had been doing for years, matter.
It all started with an incident where Mangino was abusive towards Reesing during the Colorado game--Oct 17. Within a week, Perkins was meeting with players to discuss their concerns. Lew excluded Mangino from the individual and subsequent team meeting. It was clear by then that Lew was going to get rid of Mangino.
I think Gill will be considered the worst hire, anyway.
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No QB to replace Reesing, plus a couple bad hires have really mumped our football program beyond belief. I always remind myself, though, that K-State was the worst football program in Division 1 football up until Snyder took over. If K-State can do it, anyone can.
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If K-State can do it, anyone can.
yeah, probly true
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http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/statistics/2012/12/04/college-football-coaches-salaries-cost-per-win/1745441/?sf7666957=1 (http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaaf/statistics/2012/12/04/college-football-coaches-salaries-cost-per-win/1745441/?sf7666957=1)
The cost of a football victory keeps climbing for Kansas.
This season, the university paid Charlie Weis $2.5 million for one win — the highest cost per victory among schools whose teams won at least one game, according to USA TODAY Sports' annual analysis of football coaches' compensation. Kansas paid Turner Gill $1.05 million for each of two wins last season, after paying Gill $700,000 for each of three wins in 2010.
Kansas is the only NCAA Bowl Subdivision school among the top five in cost inefficiency in each of the past three seasons. This season, KU paid over $1 million more per win more than the school that had the lowest rate of return last season.
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It's a bad time to be rebuilding in the Big 12.
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No QB to replace Reesing, plus a couple bad hires have really mumped our football program beyond belief. I always remind myself, though, that K-State was the worst football program in Division 1 football up until Snyder took over. If K-State can do it, anyone can.
True. ku was not that far behind us in being among the worst programs. K-State is not stuck there, ku is.
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I thought KU has a lot of talent, beems? What would they need to rebuild?
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Same amount of talent or maybe even more than us.
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I think Weis accomplished a lot this year. They were in games with a chance to win (OSU, Tech, Texas) that they had no chance in last year. If he can start getting some Juco guys and get an average QB, I could see them getting back to 6-6 (obviously 3 of those wins before Big 12 play).
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No QB to replace Reesing, plus a couple bad hires have really mumped our football program beyond belief. I always remind myself, though, that K-State was the worst football program in Division 1 football up until Snyder took over. If K-State can do it, anyone can.
True. ku was not that far behind us in being among the worst programs. K-State is not stuck there, ku is.
KU just won a BCS Bowl five years ago. The program just needs the right coach, just like any other program outside of the elites.
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Same amount of talent or maybe even more than us.
Really not that different outside of Klein, Brown, and a few others. Look at the recruiting classes.
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Anyone can turn around. Anyone. And anyone can become pud super fast. The difference is that the elites (Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, etc. etc.) don't stay down long and the traditional stinkers have a very hard time staying good.
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Anyone can turn around. Anyone. And anyone can become pud super fast. The difference is that the elites (Texas, Ohio State, Alabama, etc. etc.) don't stay down long and the traditional stinkers have a very hard time staying good.
Agreed. And the biggest difference between K-State and KU is that K-State has had their best, perfect fit coach for 20+ years, while KU only had ours (Mangino) for about 8 (and only 3-4 of those years were good).
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Sorry Beems . . . $5.3 million dollar operational loss for ku footbal in FY 2012, and ku finished last in conference in total Net Revenue in FY 2012.
Cheyenne Zulu is having to find a lot of extra money elsewhere to make up for the shortfall.
History shows again and again, that dire times require K-State alums . . . University of Colorado, Westar etc. etc. are living proof of that.
You'll be okay.
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I heard KU has a decent WBB intramural team :dunno:
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i really enjoy the 2 fundemental opinons on kansas state football at the phog.
1) k-state and ku are equal in talent so the difference in 1-11 and 11-1 is only coaching and snyder is the best ever.
2) snyder is overrated because he's never won a NC
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Sorry Beems . . . $5.3 million dollar operational loss for ku footbal in FY 2012, and ku finished last in conference in total Net Revenue in FY 2012.
Cheyenne Zulu is having to find a lot of extra money elsewhere to make up for the shortfall.
History shows again and again, that dire times require K-State alums . . . University of Colorado, Westar etc. etc. are living proof of that.
You'll be okay.
The plans are already in the works for a track complex that will be able to host NCAA championships. They're just trying to decide where to build it. Also, with $28 million a year from the new Big 12 contract, every school in the Big 12 is going to make money. Our basketball program generates top 5 revenue for college hoops, and the rest of the athletic department is doing well outside of football. Not worried at all about the direction that Zenger has us headed.
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in the works.... for 20 years.... :lol:
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i really enjoy the 2 fundemental opinons on kansas state football at the phog.
1) k-state and ku are equal in talent so the difference in 1-11 and 11-1 is only coaching and snyder is the best ever.
2) snyder is overrated because he's never won a NC
1. No one thinks KU and K-State are equal in talent. Quit making these strawmen arguments. Can you really look at K-State's team outside of Klein, Brown, Harper, Malone, and a few others, and say that the talent is just incredible? No. It's good, but it's not SEC level. Snyder is an amazing coach. He has an unparalleled ability to squeeze every last drop of talent out of his team. You guys just need to accept that and move on.
2. I disagree with anyone who tries to diminish Snyder's record. He's one of the best ever.
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in the works.... for 20 years.... :lol:
Maybe 6 or 7.
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i really enjoy the 2 fundemental opinons on kansas state football at the phog.
1) k-state and ku are equal in talent so the difference in 1-11 and 11-1 is only coaching and snyder is the best ever.
2) snyder is overrated because he's never won a NC
1. No one thinks KU and K-State are equal in talent. Quit making these strawmen arguments. Can you really look at K-State's team outside of Klein, Brown, Harper, Malone, and a few others, and say that the talent is just incredible? No. It's good, but it's not SEC level. Snyder is an amazing coach. He has an unparalleled ability to squeeze every last drop of talent out of his team. You guys just need to accept that and move on.
2. I disagree with anyone who tries to diminish Snyder's record. He's one of the best ever.
so why have you said it for the past 2 years about 1000 times? the only reason it's ever said on this site is because YOU said it, and then repeated it a lot.
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Sorry Beems . . . $5.3 million dollar operational loss for ku footbal in FY 2012, and ku finished last in conference in total Net Revenue in FY 2012.
Cheyenne Zulu is having to find a lot of extra money elsewhere to make up for the shortfall.
History shows again and again, that dire times require K-State alums . . . University of Colorado, Westar etc. etc. are living proof of that.
You'll be okay.
I don't want to argue with you man . . . but anyone who pays any attention knows that the new complex is only happening because a lot of other entities are involved. K-State Alum Cheyenne Zulu doesn't have $28 million burning a hole in his pocket right now.
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i really enjoy the 2 fundemental opinons on kansas state football at the phog.
1) k-state and ku are equal in talent so the difference in 1-11 and 11-1 is only coaching and snyder is the best ever.
2) snyder is overrated because he's never won a NC
1. No one thinks KU and K-State are equal in talent. Quit making these strawmen arguments. Can you really look at K-State's team outside of Klein, Brown, Harper, Malone, and a few others, and say that the talent is just incredible? No. It's good, but it's not SEC level. Snyder is an amazing coach. He has an unparalleled ability to squeeze every last drop of talent out of his team. You guys just need to accept that and move on.
2. I disagree with anyone who tries to diminish Snyder's record. He's one of the best ever.
so why have you said it for the past 2 years about 1000 times? the only reason it's ever said on this site is because YOU said it, and then repeated it a lot.
Do you have ADD or something? I have said multiple times that K-State has better talent than KU thanks to players like Klein, Brown, Harper, Malone, etc. I just don't think the talent gap is that big outside of the top studs on K-State's roster. KU actually has some good running backs and a few guys who can play too. We put up rushing yards even when teams were expecting us to run. QB play killed us along with weaknesses at receiver and on defense.
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i really enjoy the 2 fundemental opinons on kansas state football at the phog.
1) k-state and ku are equal in talent so the difference in 1-11 and 11-1 is only coaching and snyder is the best ever.
2) snyder is overrated because he's never won a NC
1. No one thinks KU and K-State are equal in talent. Quit making these strawmen arguments. Can you really look at K-State's team outside of Klein, Brown, Harper, Malone, and a few others, and say that the talent is just incredible? No. It's good, but it's not SEC level. Snyder is an amazing coach. He has an unparalleled ability to squeeze every last drop of talent out of his team. You guys just need to accept that and move on.
2. I disagree with anyone who tries to diminish Snyder's record. He's one of the best ever.
so why have you said it for the past 2 years about 1000 times? the only reason it's ever said on this site is because YOU said it, and then repeated it a lot.
so he was wrong, happens a lot.
it is a bad time to rebuild in the b12, but i don't think that the "if KSU can do it, than anyone can" is appropriate, i would focus on a more recent example, that being ISU.
you can see KU's team has improved over last year, at least CW can put together a game plan and get his guys to play somewhat competitive, even if it's only for a half. bring in a little more talent next year, get a little better, and so on.
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it's gone from "except for klien" to "except for at least 3/4's of the starters". it's just... :lol:
it's also :lol: that beems seems to think having better talent than KU = having alabama talent.
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it's gone from "except for klien" to "except for at least 3/4's of the starters". it's just... :lol:
it's also :lol: that beems seems to think having better talent than KU = having alabama talent.
The imaginary beems that you're quoting is different from the beems that exists in reality.
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Weis will get KU to where Iowa State is now, but have more talent on the roster. You should hope that KU's hire after Weis can use that talent more efficiently.
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Guys, Ron Prince had a better record at K-State than KU's last two coaches combined. :lol: I don't see change coming anytime soon.
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Weis will get KU to where Iowa State is now, but have more talent on the roster. You should hope that KU's hire after Weis can use that talent more efficiently.
this sounds great, but winning 3 conf games in this league will be a nightmare for them unless two other teams have major letdowns in the next 4 or so years. i would expect them to win all their non-con games for the next few years, but when it comes to multiple conf wins, i just don't know where they are going to come from. it's possible that no big12 coach will even be fired the next 4 years (unless you count mack retiring as being fired), really :ohno: time for ku football fans.
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by the time weis gets it turned around he will be out the door (per his presser and this being it for him contract wise) so im not sure exactly where ku goes from there. he needs to get moving fast to have something for the next guy to build off of
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Ku football is in shambles and Weiss can't fix it.