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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: kim carnes on November 11, 2012, 03:45:06 PM
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He is injured. He missed several throws yesterday and his arm strength was horrible. If our offense played like it did last night, there is no way we beat Texas.
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3 weeks before the Texas game.
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I'm surprised you're skipping Baylor, KC. You don't usually do that. Are you off your game as well?
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3 weeks before the Texas game.
i don't think he will be healthy by then.
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You're right...it looks like he has post-concussion syndrome, a separated shoulder, and a herniated right pinkie toe. :blah:
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You're right...it looks like he has post-concussion syndrome, a separated shoulder, and a herniated right pinkie toe. :blah:
so he looked good to you? okie dokie
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our offense has looked like complete crap against any team with a semblance of a defense.
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This game was very similar to @UT last year, for multiple reasons.
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I understand that this is your schtick and you gotta do what you gotta do, but this week try directing it towards the o-line which was getting handled all game.
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They were very quick, bad matchup
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I understand that this is your schtick and you gotta do what you gotta do, but this week try directing it towards the o-line which was getting handled all game.
Part of his schtick is to also miss direct fake anger.
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This game was very similar to @UT last year, for multiple reasons.
our offense is terrible against good defenses? is that one of the reasons? b/c that cannot be denied.
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This game was very similar to @UT last year, for multiple reasons.
our offense is terrible against good defenses? is that one of the reasons? b/c that cannot be denied.
Good defenses make it hard on opposing offenses? Now I've heard everything.
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Most offenses struggle against good defenses fwiw
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This game was very similar to @UT last year, for multiple reasons.
our offense is terrible against good defenses? is that one of the reasons? b/c that cannot be denied.
Good defenses make it hard on opposing offenses? Now I've heard everything.
their defense isn't that good and they held us to 260 yards.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
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I never said their defense was good, you did. KC outing a total dumbass in this thread, too bad it was himself.
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
my concern is more about klein, not the play calling. we threw the ball 21 times which is very close to normal. he badly missed a couple of long throws where it looked like he simply didn't have the arm strength to get it there.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
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my concern is more about klein, not the play calling. we threw the ball 21 times which is very close to normal. he badly missed a couple of long throws where it looked like he simply didn't have the arm strength to get it there.
I'll check when I rewatch it. He had some poor throws, but I thought it was more TCU mixing coverages than an injury. It looked like Patterson put a lot into the gameplan and Klein saw some coverages he didn't expect more than anything. It didn't help that TCU was able to get pressure so much either.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
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This game was very similar to @UT last year, for multiple reasons.
Wow, great observation Jake. Disappointed i hadn't made that connection myself.
Right down to the muffed punt and everything.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
:confused:
TCU is one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Top 2 in sacks, tackles for loss, and turnovers gained. Best rush defense in the league.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
:confused:
TCU is one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Top 2 in sacks, tackles for loss, and turnovers gained. Best rush defense in the league.
he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
We've had two bad offensive games, ISU and TCU. We've been good to great on offense in every other game.
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
is that why ISU allowed 609 yards to Texas?
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
is that why ISU allowed 609 yards to Texas?
Well when you lose the best linebacker in the conference to injury it tends to kind of mess with your defense, believe it or not.
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He is injured. He missed several throws yesterday and his arm strength was horrible. If our offense played like it did last night, there is no way we beat Texas.
We could beat Texas with an even worse offensive performance than last night.
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
is that why ISU allowed 609 yards to Texas?
Well when you lose the best linebacker in the conference to injury it tends to kind of mess with your defense, believe it or not.
this. they lost thier arthur brown
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These phantom missed throws are interesting. I mean when he hit Harper for a 50 yard bomb as he was getting hammered backwards, into the wind, and Harper still had to jump.
I thought to myself man, his arm strength is GONE!
I understand your schtick, but usually you don't have to make crap up to stay in character. You're better than this, get your crap together.
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Hey, why don't you guys get a little more rough ridin' butthurt about this post? I forgot this is gopowercat.com and the wabash station forum and you guys are probably members and junk
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Hey, why don't you guys get a little more rough ridin' butthurt about this post? I forgot this is gopowercat.com and the wabash station forum and you guys are probably members and junk
eff you. If your trolling is shitty you'll hear about it. Just like your post being shitty, pud.
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/thread
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
is that why ISU allowed 609 yards to Texas?
Well when you lose the 4th best linebacker in the conference to injury it tends to kind of mess with your defense, believe it or not.
FYP :shakesfist:
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This might be the dumbest thread ever.
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Expect more, kim has a lot of time since he had to lay himself off because of the election.
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If one was going to bitch about klein it should be about his god awful reads in some of his read options. His arm was fine, it was bill's ass that was tight.
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i don't know why you guys bite every time, i mean he's not posting or arguing in good faith and hasn't since he figured out that's how he can get the most attention here.
he's trolling you like you like to boast about trolling arkansas or west virginia fans.
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
Isn't Snyder praised for being the one to NOT let his teams do that?
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i don't know why you guys bite every time, i mean he's not posting or arguing in good faith and hasn't since he figured out that's how he can get the most attention here.
he's trolling you like you like to boast about trolling arkansas or west virginia fans.
so you think klein played good?
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i don't know why you guys bite every time, i mean he's not posting or arguing in good faith and hasn't since he figured out that's how he can get the most attention here.
he's trolling you like you like to boast about trolling arkansas or west virginia fans.
so you think klein played good?
:bait:
I know you're not arguing in good faith so why bother?
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If one was going to bitch about klein it should be about his god awful reads in some of his read options. His arm was fine, it was bill's ass that was tight.
Agreed on this. That option read where Hubert (i think) got blown up by the DT was particularly bad.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
I think we play the 2nd worst next week though. So that's good.
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Aren't they the #1 worst overall defense?
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Aren't they the #1 worst overall defense?
yes. they allow 520 yds/gm
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I think we are pretty good
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
Isn't Snyder praised for being the one to NOT let his teams do that?
It depends. Snyder has been known to reign it in. After we got the lead he started to play the field position and the wind because it think he realized TCU wasn't going to score a bunch on our defense.
And it worked really well. It was 23-0 in the 4th and we cruised to a win. It was the classic "grinder" football game.
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Most offenses struggle against good defenses fwiw
Has anyone called you "Captain Obvious" to your face, cause that what I'm calling ya. :)
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
:confused:
TCU is one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Top 2 in sacks, tackles for loss, and turnovers gained. Best rush defense in the league.
he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
What the eff are you talking about, TTU had one of the top defenses when we played them. What did they do to stop us?
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
:confused:
TCU is one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Top 2 in sacks, tackles for loss, and turnovers gained. Best rush defense in the league.
he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
What the eff are you talking about, TTU had one of the top defenses when we played them. What did they do to stop us?
shut up. tech's defense sucks
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
Isn't Snyder praised for being the one to NOT let his teams do that?
It depends. Snyder has been known to reign it in. After we got the lead he started to play the field position and the wind because it think he realized TCU wasn't going to score a bunch on our defense.
And it worked really well. It was 23-0 in the 4th and we cruised to a win. It was the classic "grinder" football game.
We had to try to find ways to move the ball, and it got to a point where we were conservative in order to get the game over with. The score dictated that.
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what is everyone's excuse for Klein's missing several throws? the defense made his arm suck or how does that work?
Klein isn't going to have a 19/21 type game every damn week. Jesus Christ
we aren't going to play the worst pass defense in the country every week. jesus christ.
:confused:
TCU is one of the top 3 defenses in the league. Top 2 in sacks, tackles for loss, and turnovers gained. Best rush defense in the league.
he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
What the eff are you talking about, TTU had one of the top defenses when we played them. What did they do to stop us?
shut up. tech's defense sucks
I guess the media and you were full of crap when they predicted we would lose to TTU because of their defense, the week leading up to their blow out. Maybe they were on a fishing expedition, like you in these threads.
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If Ck was on a concussion plan this week I'm sure they didn't let him study film until Wednesday or Thursday.might have accounted for him making some bad reads
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I guess the media and you were full of crap when they predicted we would lose to TTU because of their defense, the week leading up to their blow out. Maybe they were on a fishing expedition, like you in these threads.
The numbers don't lie, Tech's defense is terrible (http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/25354/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html).
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If Ck was on a concussion plan this week I'm sure they didn't let him study film until Wednesday or Thursday.might have accounted for him making some bad reads
Yeah, that had to be part of it. Plus, I think they probably put in some new stuff just for us and our checks.
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I guess the media and you were full of crap when they predicted we would lose to TTU because of their defense, the week leading up to their blow out. Maybe they were on a fishing expedition, like you in these threads.
The numbers don't lie, Tech's defense is terrible (http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/25354/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html).
yeah, a good defense totally allows KU to rush for 390 yards against them. good grief.
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_FAN your time is too valuable to waste arguing someone who is not interested in anything other than trolling you
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_FAN your time is too valuable to waste arguing someone who is not interested in anything other than trolling you
Good point.
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_FAN your time is too valuable to waste arguing someone who is not interested in anything other than trolling you
i dunno, allowing 390 rushing yds to KU seems like a pretty valid argument for a defense being not very good.
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
completely agree... Plus, after re-watching it on DVR this afternoon, I'm convinced that we could have killed them consistently with the QB draw. However, there was no reason to risk getting Klein hit consistently.
The Fields kid for TCU is a beast and only a freshman. He'll play on Sundays.
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he is referring to klein's performance against wvu, which has the worst ranked pass defense in division 1. When we've played good defenses, we really haven't looked good.
That's what makes them good defenses...
is that why ISU allowed 609 yards to Texas?
Well when you lose the best linebacker in the conference to injury it tends to kind of mess with your defense, believe it or not.
this. they lost thier arthur brown Manti Teo
FYP. Knott had fantastic stats
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
Isn't Snyder praised for being the one to NOT let his teams do that?
It depends. Snyder has been known to reign it in. After we got the lead he started to play the field position and the wind because it think he realized TCU wasn't going to score a bunch on our defense.
And it worked really well. It was 23-0 in the 4th and we cruised to a win. It was the classic "grinder" football game.
It was clear pretty early that TCU's best opportunity to score would be from a turnover inside the 50 or taken to the house. Thus, we got pretty vanilla on offense to minimize that chance.
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_FAN your time is too valuable to waste arguing someone who is not interested in anything other than trolling you
Good point.
Whoa, KU only had 29 passing yards.
That's an absolutely nuts discrepancy.
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_FAN your time is too valuable to waste arguing someone who is not interested in anything other than trolling you
Good point.
it wasn't a good point, because i'm not trolling. tech's defense is shitty.
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I guess the media and you were full of crap when they predicted we would lose to TTU because of their defense, the week leading up to their blow out. Maybe they were on a fishing expedition, like you in these threads.
The numbers don't lie, Tech's defense is terrible (http://www.cfbstats.com/2012/leader/25354/team/defense/split01/category10/sort01.html).
yeah, a good defense totally allows KU to rush for 390 yards against them. good grief.
T-Y _Fan. Kimmy, the numbers don't lie. Like I said, you and the media must have been full of crap with your predictions the week before we played TTU. Might as well give it up. :lol:
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Klein to Harper in the 1st looked pretty healthy.
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Know we needed to be more balanced on O this year, and our Oline has enabled that, but I do like watching Ck jackhammer through a line behind his blocks, and hope we get to unleash that in the mnc.
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He is injured. He missed several throws yesterday and his arm strength was horrible. If our offense played like it did last night, there is no way we beat Texas.
Don't fret. UT doesnt have our defense or coach.
Edit: Rename thread "Whistling past the grave yard". Sure, help Klien by not running the draw (one nice play) and let him get racked repeatedy by our 4 man rush? Why not take him out completely? Keep taking what happened lightly by all means. If Snyder feels that way UT will roll you guys. BTW, Baylor is the ultimate trap situation.
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carnes is right. klein's brain wasn't functioning properly, and it showed up in everything from bad throws to bad reads.
afaik, concussions are bruised brains, and afaik, brains heal at the same speed as skin or other places that get bruised. so he should be fine for texas. thank god for that goddamn bye.
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I think a lot of its on Snyder. Once we got up by 2 scored in the 1st quarter we seemed to coast. 1st quarter we had 121 yards on 17 plays, good for 7.1 yards per snap.
The rest of the game we had 132 yards on 42 plays, good for 3.1 yards per snap.
Our offensive line didn't play great, and TCU's front played really well, but after the 1st quarter Snyder went into "let's get home" mode.
And we've had 2 poor offensive performances this year, TCU and ISU. The only two games we've been worse than our average yards per play. However, against every other Big 12 opponent, we've been better by at least 1 yard per snap offensively than what our opponents give up on average. Including pretty good defenses in OU and Tech.
Isn't Snyder praised for being the one to NOT let his teams do that?
It depends. Snyder has been known to reign it in. After we got the lead he started to play the field position and the wind because it think he realized TCU wasn't going to score a bunch on our defense.
And it worked really well. It was 23-0 in the 4th and we cruised to a win. It was the classic "grinder" football game.
We had to try to find ways to move the ball, and it got to a point where we were conservative in order to get the game over with. The score dictated that.
additionally from LHCHCBS on Klein:
"He played reasonably well," said coach LHC Bill Snyder. "He made the plays he had to make in the ball game, but we were probably a little conservative for him. We could have given him more chances than we did."