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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Dr Rick Daris on October 30, 2012, 10:04:35 PM
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couldn't watch any of it tonight. how'd we look u guys?
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amazing
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score? who was good? who was bad? atmosphere? tunnel dance?
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Dont think we looked that good. NiƱo and DJamer were nice. AR and Gruds obviously
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I didn't watch much of the second half, and I was pretty inattentive during the first half after 22-2.
Nino looked alright when I saw him, and I liked some of JO's game. I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
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angel played 10 minutes
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DJamer has really fantastic hair, martavious is pretty jacked still.
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Score was decent, the way we got there won't be repeatable against real opponents. Washburn coughed up the ball a lot, because they are a D2 team and we are way bigger faster and stronger, and we scored on lots of their turnovers. Almost all of our points in the paint were trash shots that we don't get against real teams. We got beat off the dribble way more than we should have by Washburn, and gave them way too many easy rebounds. Also, our set offense looked like an abortion for the majority of the evening. We had 15 turnovers against Washburn, should have been more, we still can't pass or dribble (which is unfortunate).
Angel - Had a difficult time getting past their guards which surprised me, he didn't shoot the ball real well or make good decisions, but he also didn't get a ton of PT tonight.
Marty- Marty did what Marty does, just not as well as he is capable of doing it.
Sprads- Handled the ball okay for the most part, was not a terribly effective passer tonight. His shot was SO off for most of the night. Looked a lot like Will from last year.
Lawrence - Didn't look like he deserved the summer hype. He looked slow, he couldn't handle the ball at all, and didn't shoot much because he couldn't get open. His D was acceptable. He just looked like he was a playing a different offense than everyone else out on the floor.
Rod- He was Rod from last year, but his midrange and floater weren't falling tonight. Didn't play a lot.
Southwell- He had a couple awesome passes and a couple WTF passes, same with his shots, same old southwell.
Nino- Looked like he could really help us on offense when his defensive assignment won't create too much of a liability. He has a real nice touch inside twelve feet and can get a shot off rather quickly. He could be real valuable if utilized correctly.
JHR- Made some real nice shots tonight, one of them with his right hand on the baseline. He didn't look real motivated on D tonight. Seemed like he was going through the motions a little bit.
Diaz- This guy needs to learn what his game is going to be, he put up a couple of head scratchers tonight. Hopefully Weber has not given this kid the green light to shoot midrange jumpers all year long, because it would be an ugly look for him offensively. Played respectably on defense. Needs to learn how to box out, but when you have a size 16 waist, I'm sure it's hard to get a body on people.
DJamer- He looked a little slow on defense sometimes, but will definitely have some upside there. Seemed to be an instinctual rebounder, and doesn't get carried away on offense, just backs a guy down and shoots layups (he's like the anti-Diaz).
Gibson- Well, that sucked. He lost a lot of weight, and it's obvious the coaches are asking him to change his offensive game, and it looks like a rough ridin' trainwreck right now. He has no idea what he's supposed to be doing when he gets the ball in his hands. Doesn't seem any quicker from losing the weight either. I want last year's Gibson back.
Orris-I refuse to talk about walk-ons
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score? who was good? who was bad? atmosphere? tunnel dance?
81-61
Nino and DJamer looked pretty good to me. McGruder looked about how people expected him to be, I think, which was pretty good. It's tough to judge how much JO might have improved against a team like this, but he looked alright.
Will Spradling looked not good... he was shooting too much imo. Trying to force it instead of letting the game come to him... not a good night, especially from the 3.
Everything seemed a little rusty. First game of the year, kind of expected. I think everybody got in, which is good.
Didn't get there in time for the tunnel dance if it did happen :frown:
Stat of the night: 54.5% from the line. Yikes.
Angel has a bad blister?? Somebody give him the John Wooden socks and shoes lesson!
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Atmosphere? Might as well have been a girl's game going on. It was pathetic. Dillon's logo looked nice, if that says anything? :flush:
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angel played 10 minutes
:barf:
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Didn't realize there was a game. Checked out some pictures online...there were about 3 people in the stands.
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Score was decent, the way we got there won't be repeatable against real opponents. Washburn coughed up the ball a lot, because they are a D2 team and we are way bigger faster and stronger, and we scored on lots of their turnovers. Almost all of our points in the paint were trash shots that we don't get against real teams. We got beat off the dribble way more than we should have by Washburn, and gave them way too many easy rebounds. Also, our set offense looked like an abortion for the majority of the evening. We had 15 turnovers against Washburn, should have been more, we still can't pass or dribble (which is unfortunate).
Angel - Had a difficult time getting past their guards which surprised me, he didn't shoot the ball real well or make good decisions, but he also didn't get a ton of PT tonight.
Marty- Marty did what Marty does, just not as well as he is capable of doing it.
Sprads- Handled the ball okay for the most part, was not a terribly effective passer tonight. His shot was SO off for most of the night. Looked a lot like Will from last year.
Lawrence - Didn't look like he deserved the summer hype. He looked slow, he couldn't handle the ball at all, and didn't shoot much because he couldn't get open. His D was acceptable. He just looked like he was a playing a different offense than everyone else out on the floor.
Rod- He was Rod from last year, but his midrange and floater weren't falling tonight. Didn't play a lot.
Southwell- He had a couple awesome passes and a couple WTF passes, same with his shots, same old southwell.
Nino- Looked like he could really help us on offense when his defensive assignment won't create too much of a liability. He has a real nice touch inside twelve feet and can get a shot off rather quickly. He could be real valuable if utilized correctly.
JHR- Made some real nice shots tonight, one of them with his right hand on the baseline. He didn't look real motivated on D tonight. Seemed like he was going through the motions a little bit.
Diaz- This guy needs to learn what his game is going to be, he put up a couple of head scratchers tonight. Hopefully Weber has not given this kid the green light to shoot midrange jumpers all year long, because it would be an ugly look for him offensively. Played respectably on defense. Needs to learn how to box out, but when you have a size 16 waist, I'm sure it's hard to get a body on people.
DJamer- He looked a little slow on defense sometimes, but will definitely have some upside there. Seemed to be an instinctual rebounder, and doesn't get carried away on offense, just backs a guy down and shoots layups (he's like the anti-Diaz).
Gibson- Well, that sucked. He lost a lot of weight, and it's obvious the coaches are asking him to change his offensive game, and it looks like a rough ridin' trainwreck right now. He has no idea what he's supposed to be doing when he gets the ball in his hands. Doesn't seem any quicker from losing the weight either. I want last year's Gibson back.
Orris-I refuse to talk about walk-ons
Ouch. This sounds horrible.
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Score was decent, the way we got there won't be repeatable against real opponents. Washburn coughed up the ball a lot, because they are a D2 team and we are way bigger faster and stronger, and we scored on lots of their turnovers. Almost all of our points in the paint were trash shots that we don't get against real teams. We got beat off the dribble way more than we should have by Washburn, and gave them way too many easy rebounds. Also, our set offense looked like an abortion for the majority of the evening. We had 15 turnovers against Washburn, should have been more, we still can't pass or dribble (which is unfortunate).
Angel - Had a difficult time getting past their guards which surprised me, he didn't shoot the ball real well or make good decisions, but he also didn't get a ton of PT tonight.
Marty- Marty did what Marty does, just not as well as he is capable of doing it.
Sprads- Handled the ball okay for the most part, was not a terribly effective passer tonight. His shot was SO off for most of the night. Looked a lot like Will from last year.
Lawrence - Didn't look like he deserved the summer hype. He looked slow, he couldn't handle the ball at all, and didn't shoot much because he couldn't get open. His D was acceptable. He just looked like he was a playing a different offense than everyone else out on the floor.
Rod- He was Rod from last year, but his midrange and floater weren't falling tonight. Didn't play a lot.
Southwell- He had a couple awesome passes and a couple WTF passes, same with his shots, same old southwell.
Nino- Looked like he could really help us on offense when his defensive assignment won't create too much of a liability. He has a real nice touch inside twelve feet and can get a shot off rather quickly. He could be real valuable if utilized correctly.
JHR- Made some real nice shots tonight, one of them with his right hand on the baseline. He didn't look real motivated on D tonight. Seemed like he was going through the motions a little bit.
Diaz- This guy needs to learn what his game is going to be, he put up a couple of head scratchers tonight. Hopefully Weber has not given this kid the green light to shoot midrange jumpers all year long, because it would be an ugly look for him offensively. Played respectably on defense. Needs to learn how to box out, but when you have a size 16 waist, I'm sure it's hard to get a body on people.
DJamer- He looked a little slow on defense sometimes, but will definitely have some upside there. Seemed to be an instinctual rebounder, and doesn't get carried away on offense, just backs a guy down and shoots layups (he's like the anti-Diaz).
Gibson- Well, that sucked. He lost a lot of weight, and it's obvious the coaches are asking him to change his offensive game, and it looks like a rough ridin' trainwreck right now. He has no idea what he's supposed to be doing when he gets the ball in his hands. Doesn't seem any quicker from losing the weight either. I want last year's Gibson back.
Orris-I refuse to talk about walk-ons
Ouch. This sounds horrible.
First game of the year always blows though, we won't know much about this team until we get ten games under our belt. It's going to take the kids a bit to adjust to the new offense.
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
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guys i didn't get to see the game tonight but why is angel so reckless with the ball :shakesfist:
:users:
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we looked good
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In the first half, Washburn looked bad much more than we looked good.
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In the first half, Washburn looked bad much more than we looked good.
in other words, although it could have been expected for this k-state team to look worse than washburn, taking into consideration that we have a new coach, and they're returning a team of experienced players with their existing coach intact, they looked much worse than we did.
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In other words we looked a lot like everyone expected us to look at the beginning of the year with a new system and the 81pts was more about Washburn not pulling their heads out of their collective asses until sometime right before half.
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please describe the new system and what it was about it that held our players back last night
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i'm just saying for someone that has it all-in against oscar, i would expect you should be able to describe, in vivid detail, the variances between what we saw last night with oscar, and what we would have seen with an all-star calibre (sp?) coach of your choosing.
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83 points?
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
You may have missed this part.
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whoever said that bbsing would suck this year, that person was right.
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whoever said that bbsing would suck this year, that person was right.
:emawkid: Every prediction I've made the last 6 months even indirectly related to this basketball program has been deadly accurate
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
You may have missed this part.
The four words before the ones you bolded are the silly ones. Rod will be unaffected by the minor changes in the offense.
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i'm just saying for someone that has it all-in against oscar, i would expect you should be able to describe, in vivid detail, the variances between what we saw last night with oscar, and what we would have seen with an all-star calibre (sp?) coach of your choosing.
lol
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Diaz proved that he is very skilled at making awful decisions
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please describe the new system and what it was about it that held our players back last night
Manner of coaching, not the offense. From all the quotes out of the program, frank and oscar seen to be night and day.
Also, I am happy that you are happy with our direction.
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happy?
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defensively so.
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defensively so.
pretty psycho of you to feel that way.
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Probably
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
You may have missed this part.
The four words before the ones you bolded are the silly ones. Rod will be unaffected by the minor changes in the offense.
I didn't go the scrimmage, I didn't really intently watch the game, and I haven't really watched Illinois in years.
So, I don't really know what oscar was going to run other than "motion".
Screw it. It's not worth fighting about.
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Motion offense looked really good for the first 10 minutes of the game. Hitting open shots and getting good looks. Looked really sloppy for the other 50% of the 1st half. Didn't watch 2nd half. Watched Game of Thrones instead.
It was a rough ridin' exhibition.
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Motion offense looked really good for the first 10 minutes of the game. Hitting open shots and getting good looks. Looked really sloppy for the other 50% of the 1st half. Didn't watch 2nd half. Watched Game of Thrones instead.
It was a rough ridin' exhibition.
what a difference a year makes. 2011 belvis would've driven up for this and then got crazy mad at frank when we looked bad in an early season game. 2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly though i'm sure.
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oscar weber, does not sub as much
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i liked when rodney mosh pitted and jumped up and down and shoved everyone on the sideline. that crap was metal.
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
You may have missed this part.
The four words before the ones you bolded are the silly ones. Rod will be unaffected by the minor changes in the offense.
I didn't go the scrimmage, I didn't really intently watch the game, and I haven't really watched Illinois in years.
So, I don't really know what oscar was going to run other than "motion".
Screw it. It's not worth fighting about.
Don't be thin skinned, no one is fighting; its a message board, guy. I just think you shouldn't get into the trap of thinking that this team is going to be much differently offensively. oscar or anyone else for that matter running motion is going to do much more than what was previously done.
Also "motion offense" is much more of a generic term than people are making it out to be.
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Motion offense looked really good for the first 10 minutes of the game. Hitting open shots and getting good looks. Looked really sloppy for the other 50% of the 1st half. Didn't watch 2nd half. Watched Game of Thrones instead.
It was a rough ridin' exhibition.
what a difference a year makes. 2011 belvis would've driven up for this and then got crazy mad at frank when we looked bad in an early season game. 2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly though i'm sure.
Man I remember the battles that Belvis and I had last November, it was fun. The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
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2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly Exhibition Game though i'm sure.
FYP, Rick. Still got my season tix. Like last year, though, I didn't feel the obligation to drive 4 hours round trip to watch a glorified practice.
Don't worry, I'll be there for the NDState game on the 9th - unlike the vast majority of goEMAW basketball bbsers who have never and will never actually own season tickets.
:eye:
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oscar weber, does not sub as much
He played 10 guys in the first half.
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I hope McGruder doesn't kind of disappear in the motion, but again, I wasn't really paying much attention tonight.
man if I have to put up with this all year, I'm going to quit everything, end it all
You may have missed this part.
The four words before the ones you bolded are the silly ones. Rod will be unaffected by the minor changes in the offense.
I didn't go the scrimmage, I didn't really intently watch the game, and I haven't really watched Illinois in years.
So, I don't really know what oscar was going to run other than "motion".
Screw it. It's not worth fighting about.
Don't be thin skinned, no one is fighting; its a message board, guy. I just think you shouldn't get into the trap of thinking that this team is going to be much differently offensively. oscar or anyone else for that matter running motion is going to do much more than what was previously done.
Also "motion offense" is much more of a generic term than people are making it out to be.
I'm grumpy today. Sorry, MIR. :cheers:
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Man I remember the battles that Belvis and I had last November, it was fun.
Yes it was. Then we met at the OOD and it was kinda :horrorsurprise:. Followed by :cheers:
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2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly Exhibition Game though i'm sure.
FYP, Rick. Still got my season tix. Like last year, though, I didn't feel the obligation to drive 4 hours round trip to watch a glorified practice.
Don't worry, I'll be there for the NDState game on the 9th - unlike the vast majority of goEMAW basketball bbsers who have never and will never actually own season tickets.
:eye:
I think most local basketball bbsers either have or had season tickets, seemed that way last season anyway.
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I have no problem saying belvis is a better fan for me.
My last KSU BB game in MHK was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVThZ-krYCg&list=UU-wKfDwUCINW7y9XUXc0piQ&index=11&feature=plcp
And I was getting a Pepsi when it happened. :frown:
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When the motion offense was going it looked real good, guys were shooting with confidence, things were rolling.
That only happened when they were playing well.
They only played well about 12 minutes.
It is what it is.
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The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
I think it has some to do with the coaching change, but is mostly that we have the #2 football team in the nation which is really, really fun. Plus we just played Washburn.
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The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
I think it has some to do with the coaching change, but is mostly that we have the #2 football team in the nation which is really, really fun. Plus we just played Washburn.
The apathy started long before last night. Football team was pretty good last year too, no?
I've also never understood this talking point, it would make sense if they played games at the same time. Most of us are reading/posting on both boards right? Are sports fans predisposed to having the inability to multi-task?
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The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
I think it has some to do with the coaching change, but is mostly that we have the #2 football team in the nation which is really, really fun. Plus we just played Washburn.
The apathy started long before last night. Football team was pretty good last year too, no?
I've also never understood this talking point, it would make sense if they played games at the same time. Most of us are reading/posting on both boards right? Are sports fans predisposed to having the inability to multi-task?
That's true, but by the time bball started, we weren't entertaining hopes of going to the national title game. I would guess that most aren't reading and posting on both boards, but I dunno. Also, I don't remember late October basketball BBSing being all that great last year either. Tuesday night games against Washburn just don't do it for most people I guess. Was attendance great for the exhibitions last year? Honestly don't remember.
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angel played 10 minutes
Looked like he got a little banged up when he dove for that loose ball late in the first half. Probably affected his minutes.
I feel like I should mention the fact that the loose ball was a result of Will's ball handling.
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angel had a blister
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angel had a blister
Or that.
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Gottlieb's offense would have been one million times more awesome.
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And he would have interviewed the crap out of Stan at halftime.
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The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
I think it has some to do with the coaching change, but is mostly that we have the #2 football team in the nation which is really, really fun. Plus we just played Washburn.
1. The apathy started long before last night. 2. Football team was pretty good last year too, no?
I've also never understood this talking point, it would make sense if they played games at the same time. Most of us are reading/posting on both boards right? Are sports fans predisposed to having the inability to multi-task?
1. Yes
2. Kind (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-footbl/recaps/102911aac.html) Of (http://www.kstatesports.com/sports/m-baskbl/archive/ksu-m-baskbl-sched-2010.html)
3. Yes
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The apathy of this fan base is :cry:
I think it has some to do with the coaching change, but is mostly that we have the #2 football team in the nation which is really, really fun. Plus we just played Washburn.
The apathy started long before last night. Football team was pretty good last year too, no?
I've also never understood this talking point, it would make sense if they played games at the same time. Most of us are reading/posting on both boards right? Are sports fans predisposed to having the inability to multi-task?
In some ways, yes.
And there is a difference in being good, even really good, and being what we are right now.
Though I do agree that the apathy has been there since the change pretty much. oscar is going have to win over the fans, Frank did to, especially in his 2nd year.
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frank didn't really have to win over anything. we were a year out from wooly and hadn't yet become accustom to being america's team. we had b'easy, bill walker, and a whole lot of other things going on. there was nothing but upside for us. frank was an unknown, but he was also an afterthought. our focus was on GRCOAT. we cared about dalonte, and satan. not frank.
we could have brought in oscar back then and there wouldn't have been a second thought about it at the time.
edited to add: i reread your post and you said "esp in his 2nd year" and you're right about that, mostly i would guess, because we were playing Frank's november ball w/o beasley and didn't know how painful it was to watch
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I'm not totally ready to get back into basketball. I wanted to be into it, but watching the game it just made me feel kind of empty and a little sad.
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My last KSU BB game in MHK was this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TVThZ-krYCg&list=UU-wKfDwUCINW7y9XUXc0piQ&index=11&feature=plcp
Man. :cry:
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2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly Exhibition Game though i'm sure.
FYP, Rick. Still got my season tix. Like last year, though, I didn't feel the obligation to drive 4 hours round trip to watch a glorified practice.
Don't worry, I'll be there for the NDState game on the 9th - unlike the vast majority of goEMAW basketball bbsers who have never and will never actually own season tickets.
:eye:
I've got season tickets and will have just arrived in Ft. Worth.
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I can't stand exhibition games. I go because I bought the season ticket package.
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2012 belvis watches the first half from home and then switches the channel at halftime. interesting. probably just an anomaly Exhibition Game though i'm sure.
FYP, Rick. Still got my season tix. Like last year, though, I didn't feel the obligation to drive 4 hours round trip to watch a glorified practice.
Don't worry, I'll be there for the NDState game on the 9th - unlike the vast majority of goEMAW basketball bbsers who have never and will never actually own season tickets.
:eye:
I've got season tickets and will have just arrived in Ft. Worth.
This has been the most entertaining part of this season (these seasons?) for me: Trim becoming a bigger football fan than a basketball fan. Last year he wouldn't go into BSFS, and now he's going to away games. Very fun for all involved.
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I feel like I should mention the fact that the loose ball was a result of Will's ball handling.
I generally just assume this, but thanks for the clarification.
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This has been the most entertaining part of this season (these seasons?) for me: Trim becoming a bigger football fan than a basketball fan. Last year he wouldn't go into BSFS, and now he's going to away games. Very fun for all involved.
Two different things. DFW is about a bro trip & BA miles. My willingness to skip hoops games to go on a bro trip, well, I guess this can now be a Frank/oscar/Currie/butthurt thread too.
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My willingness to skip hoops games to go on a bro trip, well, I guess this can now be a Frank/oscar/Currie/butthurt thread too.
are you and your bros finally tracking down the truth about curries dfw retreat? i have a feeling he's got interesting secrets buried in his lair. maybe even treasure.
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My willingness to skip hoops games to go on a bro trip, well, I guess this can now be a Frank/oscar/Currie/butthurt thread too.
are you and your bros finally tracking down the truth about curries dfw retreat? i have a feeling he's got interesting secrets buried in his lair. maybe even treasure.
I'll add it to the itinerary. Anybody know what hotel he hunkered down in? We're pretty flexible right now on where to stay.
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My willingness to skip hoops games to go on a bro trip, well, I guess this can now be a Frank/oscar/Currie/butthurt thread too.
are you and your bros finally tracking down the truth about curries dfw retreat? i have a feeling he's got interesting secrets buried in his lair. maybe even treasure.
I'll add it to the itinerary. Anybody know what hotel he hunkered down in? We're pretty flexible right now on where to stay.
Best Western? Or somewhere high profile, can't just get one wear out of NutPak ensemble.