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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: fr@ck me on October 18, 2012, 11:24:03 AM
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We all know you have a good offense... no reason to talk about that...
You are 112th in scoring defense, 112th!!!! You gave up 63 points to Baylor, they don't have RG3 anymore. How does this happen? You can say they are 4th in points but they haven't played anyone with a D yet except TCU. Your 70 points against them isn't impressive either since they suck at D.
We are one of 4 teams to not allow more then 21 points in a game this year. #elite. We run the ball all the time, you suck at stopping it. Snyder will keep Geno on the sideline the whole game as CK marches up and down the field for touchdowns all day.
Actually now that I think about it you should stick to arguing about stereotypes because this football thing won't workout for you. :ksu:
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With how good our team is and how bad their defense is I am afraid that we might not win the TOP this game. Klein, Hubert or Baby Lockett will have their fair share of 1 play drives throughout this game...
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
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With how good our team is and how bad their defense is I am afraid that we might not win the TOP this game. Klein, Hubert or Baby Lockett will have their fair share of 1 play drives throughout this game...
So you are seeing a KUesk game? Sounds right.
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
Is that like saying my fat sister isn't as fat as my fat mom? :thumbsup:
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I'm thinking that Scheme Doctor isn't going to let Doerr squib kick the ball like Mack Brown chose to do.
Hard to say.
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With how good our team is and how bad their defense is I am afraid that we might not win the TOP this game. Klein, Hubert or Baby Lockett will have their fair share of 1 play drives throughout this game...
So you are seeing a KUesk game? Sounds right.
Exactly. Will look an awful lot like that game, except WVU probably won't score as much. Crist is a more polished passer than WVU and KU has a better running game.
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:
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With how good our team is and how bad their defense is I am afraid that we might not win the TOP this game. Klein, Hubert or Baby Lockett will have their fair share of 1 play drives throughout this game...
So you are seeing a KUesk game? Sounds right.
Exactly. Will look an awful lot like that game, except WVU probably won't score as much. Crist is a more polished passer than WVU and KU has a better running game.
Very true. Crist was a 5* out of High School and played at Notre Dame, obviously he is the next Joe Montana. He is just waiting to sign that #1 draft pick contract now. :kstategrad:
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
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What is the record for TOP or is that even kept? I heard we had about 40:30 against Iowa State, could be more this game.
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Our corners are pretty physical and like to jam at the line of scrimmage. If it's within 5 yards, prepare to be jammed. (And some times even after 5 yards if we can get away with it, lol)
I've heard a lot about the WVU receivers, but one is hurt, so that's good news for the purple cats.
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
Looks like Brandon is the only one. Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders! :emawkid:
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I am kind of concerned about their YAC frankly. And that Buie tearing off 6 yards every first down giving them short and makables.
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I am kind of concerned about their YAC frankly. And that Buie tearing off 6 yards every first down giving them short and makables.
Yeah, we have let a lot of little short passes move the ball quickly on us recently and hope bill switches up something to prevent that a little more. What is their running game like?
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I would rather give up 5-10 yard dumps than let Geno throw it over the top.
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Guys, I'll say it...WVU is terrible.
The barely beat a horrible Maryland team.
They scored 60 something points vs Baylor...BFD
They barely beat an awful Texas team
They got smoked by a good but not great Tech team
They are the most overhyped BXII team since '09 KU (if you aren't counting every Texas team since VY left or every OU team since '02)
We are going to absolutely clownsuit these guys.
The only way it is a game is if we are forced to blitz AB AND Tuggle to get pressure, as long as one fo them is in the middle to cut off the slant & gos, we're golden.
The CB's MUST play closer to the line than they have in any game this season, other than that, we needn't make many adjustments to our scheme.
KSU - 49 WVU - 23
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Guys, I'll say it...WVU is terrible.
The barely beat a horrible Maryland team.
They scored 60 something points vs Baylor...BFD
They barely beat an awful Texas team
They got smoked by a good but not great Tech team
They are the most overhyped BXII team since '09 KU (if you aren't counting every Texas team since VY left or every OU team since '02)
We are going to absolutely clownsuit these guys.
The only way it is a game is if we are forced to blitz AB AND Tuggle to get pressure, as long as one fo them is in the middle to cut off the slant & gos, we're golden.
The CB's MUST play closer to the line than they have in any game this season, other than that, we needn't make many adjustments to our scheme.
KSU - 49 WVU - 23
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The first time Austin catches a short pass over the middle and gets judged he won't want to tiptoe into that territory every again.
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The first time Austin catches a short pass over the middle and gets judged he won't want to tiptoe into that territory every again.
Brings back the memory of AB killing that poor kid from OU. T&Ps.
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You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.
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The wind is supposed to be blowing around 10mph on Saturday. Is Geno Smith ok with that type of interference with his passes?
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The first time Austin catches a short pass over the middle and gets judged he won't want to tiptoe into that territory every again.
Brings back the memory of AB killing that poor kid from OU. T&Ps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KH5G2C_x_EY#t=2176s
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You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.
This gives me peace.
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You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.
This gives me peace.
I also think we have a significant special teams advantage, but we'll see.
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You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.
This gives me peace.
Have they really proven to be legit though? The only defense comperable to KSU's was Tech & they proved they were overmatched. I don't realy care what Geno did against James Madison, Marshall, Baylor & Maryland, those teams couldn't have beat a Ron Prince KSU squad
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I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.
If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.
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I'm pretty much convinced that WVA is really really overated or at least they were before the Tech game. That said I still think we might get beat by them.
Someone compared their defense to KU but statistically it's actually much worse then KU if you can believe that.
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K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.
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I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.
If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.
I don't think WVA can blow KSU out I mean who have they blown out? All of their games against BCS competition have been close with the exception of the Tech game in which obviously WVA was on the wrong end of. Everyone acts like WVA is some kind of thrashing machine but they have not thrased anyone.
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We just need to maximize possession on offense. Keep geno off the field and score on our possessions.
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I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.
If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.
I don't think WVA can blow KSU out I mean who have they blown out? All of their games against BCS competition have been close with the exception of the Tech game in which obviously WVA was on the wrong end of. Everyone acts like WVA is some kind of thrashing machine but they have not thrased anyone.
These are kids playing college sports not professional athletes. I think almost any college team can lose to any other college team on any given Sunday and likewise, that any team can have an unlikely blowout. I'm not saying it's common but it happens. It's also possible to lose to bad teams and beat good teams based on matchups, injuries, etc. I'm not making excuses for last week; that was an ass-whooping. But the reason we watch college football is because we never know what's going to happen in a given week.
I'm not saying that WVU is a trashing machine; I am saying they have an offense that can score a lot of points from time-to-time. Conceivably you don't think it's possible that KSU comes in a little flat (long road trip, unfamiliar venue) lays an egg in the first few possessions and finds themselves looking at a 3-4 TD hole? Again, these are kids, we don't know how they respond to being in that kind of position. Last week, at TT I believe the WVU players believed that they were in the game until the two late scores in the first half. That rattled their confidence and the game was over at that point. No one believes in the defense, including the coaching staff. No one goes for it on 4th down from their own 35 unless they truly believe their defense can't get off the field. It seemed clear to me that Geno became more concerned with not throwing a pick that actually trying to win the game. Otherwise why throw the ball into the bench on 4th down? Why not give your receiver a chance?
Young players believe hype. WVU was a media darling and they enjoyed the attention a bit too much. We are no longer playing for a national championship so the pressure is off of us. You guys still have a chance to run the table and play for a championship. That's a lot of pressure.
May the best team win this weekend!
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K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.
FAN, what would you call what happened in Stillwater? The 2nd half of OU was historic but 52 points in 20m of TOP is horrible as well.
That said, I do not believe WVU's O is as good as 2011 OSU's O and there is no comparision of the defenses.
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K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.
FAN, what would you call what happened in Stillwater? The 2nd half of OU was historic but 52 points in 20m of TOP is horrible as well.
That said, I do not believe WVU's O is as good as 2011 OSU's O and there is no comparision of the defenses.
Fair point. I suppose if our defense plays like that, we could see a game similar to that OSU game.
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So chance of rain (and cold) Saturday night in Morgantown... that would be good for us right?
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So chance of rain (and cold) Saturday night in Morgantown... that would be good for us right?
Not if we don't like getting murdered while cold and wet apparently.
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Keys to the game.
1. Stuff their run and force them to become the one dimensional offense that they really want to be. This will allow our 4 man rush to pin their ears back and attack the QB. Look for ME-SACK to get to GYNO early and often.
2. Corners- need to keep everything in front of them, not get frustated when WVU catches some passes. Be patient and wait for their spot, I predict either Nigel or Chapman to find a spot to jump on one of those quick slants or outs and take it back for 6.
3. LHC Bill Snyder doing LHC Bill Snyder things. Long methodical drives taking up time off the clock, w/ lots of running but enough passing to make them have to respect the pass when we come out in that 5 wide look.
We do these things, we come out with a win, we don't do these things then they will be burning couches again in Morgantown.
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:an!
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
Looks like Brandon is the only one. Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders! :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!
Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:an!
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
Looks like Brandon is the only one. Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders! :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!
Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.
We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run. We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD. RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:an!
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
Looks like Brandon is the only one. Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders! :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!
Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.
We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run. We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD. RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:
Klein to T-Lock should be the entire game plan. Have you seen our, um, errrr uhhhhh... what should be called a secondary?
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Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.
In all fairness, bruh... judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.
No?
:dunno:an!
Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.
Looks like Brandon is the only one. Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders! :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!
Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.
We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run. We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD. RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:
Klein to T-Lock should be the entire game plan. Have you seen our, um, errrr uhhhhh... what should be called a secondary?
lol- yeah thats quite the secondary you guys have, especially w/ Jenkins out. That being said while I would prefer to see us go to the air 30+ times this game and hang a 100 on WVU, the Cleveland Schemer knows that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile and we don't like to risk the possibility of making a mistake and giving you guys hope. Bill prefers to break all defensive will by ramming the ball down the opposing teams throat, I expect this game to be no different. :grin:
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WVU is about to learn how frustrating a third and 3 can be
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The whole using clock and keeping the ball out of Geno's hands. While there is a benefit of tiring their defense, it makes more sense to get as many possessions as we can to distance ourselves from WVU, since our offense is much better. Everything evens out in the long run. Extreme example is if we played a 10 hour game (at our current offensive pace), we'd win by at least 20 touchdowns, and would win this 10 hr game almost everytime. This vs. having WVU flip a coin and pray for their 24% shot. Grinding our way to a 1 possession lead is kind of gambling - can't make mistakes.
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WVU is about to learn how frustrating a third and 3 can be
No, we learned that against James Madison. :bawl:
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The whole using clock and keeping the ball out of Geno's hands. While there is a benefit of tiring their defense, it makes more sense to get as many possessions as we can to distance ourselves from WVU, since our offense is much better. Everything evens out in the long run. Extreme example is if we played a 10 hour game (at our current offensive pace), we'd win by at least 20 touchdowns, and would win this 10 hr game almost everytime. This vs. having WVU flip a coin and pray for their 24% shot. Grinding our way to a 1 possession lead is kind of gambling - can't make mistakes.
While I understand what you mean, we will have little problem scoring. Look at the OSU game last year. What the grind it out style manages to do to a team like WVU who is coming off a huge loss in which their offense stumbled, is it demoralizes a team and makes the offense tense. When we answer say a quick strike touchdown with a long methodical drive it puts pressure on their offense IMHO.
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Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?
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Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?
I don't really know much about Hutch Juco these days, however the best juco's in the state are Butler County and Garden City, typically.
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Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?
1. It's in Hutchinson, Kansas
2. They are the #12 JUCO in the nation as per NJCCA poll
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Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?
1. It's in Hutchinson, Kansas
2. They are the #12 JUCO in the nation as per NJCCA poll
Appreciate the info. I knew it was in KS. Just not sure if it was close to Minihatten or Law.errrr that other place. ;)
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It's in West Kansas
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It's in West Kansas
I may have actually driven through the place on my way to Reno. Not a slight to Kansas, or the midwest, but the corn looked BAD!!!!
Feed corn, yes, but the soy beans looked healthy. What's up with that. I see beef prices at an all time high this winter.
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This is your chance to make fun of our drought!
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This is your chance to make fun of our drought!
No man, won't go there. Just wondered why the Soybeans were in great shape.
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This is your chance to make fun of our drought!
No man, won't go there. Just wondered why the Soybeans were in great shape.
Kansans were ordered a to hold their piss until they got out in the fields because we weren't going to lose 2 crops this year!
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno can't run.
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Just rush 5, he'll get happy feet. Oh, and if it's windy, we're screwed :lol:
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno has less rushing yards than Collin has rushing attempts.
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno has less rushing yards than Collin has rushing attempts.
yes no spys for geno. that person would be better used in coverage or in pressure. I hope pressure.
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno has less rushing yards than Collin has rushing attempts.
Sams has over twice the yards on less carries.
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno has less rushing yards than Collin has rushing attempts.
Sams has over twice the yards on less carries.
I understand he isn't RGIII but . He doesn't run because he fancies himself a "pocket passer" but he still has the ability and we're not the greatest at containment without a spy.... IMO
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Who do we pick to spy Geno all day ? If we put Arthur on him how does it affect his ability to cause havic all over the field?
Geno has less rushing yards than Collin has rushing attempts.
Sams has over twice the yards on less carries.
I understand he isn't RGIII but . He doesn't run because he fancies himself a "pocket passer" but he still has the ability and we're not the greatest at containment without a spy.... IMO
Have been saving Tate for the knockout punch imo :bill:
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This seems like as good of a place as any for this...
Looked at a bunch of stuff this morning. It is an interesting game, and while I'd wish for something like Tech did to them in Lubbock, I think that is doubtful. I also think a shootout quite like Baylor is unlikely. The game that is most likely from this season is Texas, though Texas came out on the wrong end of that one, but I think we're a much better team than Texas.
WVU has the ability to limit our running game, but they likely haven't seen a rush offense quite like ours. Granted, we are coming off our worst rushing performance in YPC of the season. We'll have to throw it some to win, and we should have success. K-State has shown plenty of ability to throw the ball, but we simply don't throw it much. Consider that WVU has throws the ball 45 times per game and we throw it 20. However, we are 2nd in the league in YPA at 9.1 and only have 2 INTs on the year. While WVU has a solid run defense and gives up only 3.26 YPC, the thing that stands out is they have given up a league worst 12 rushing TDs They also have allowed conversions on half their 3rd downs and opponents score TDs 70% of the time when they reach the endzone, allowing 21 TDs in 30 RZ opportunities. Finally, WVU's pass defense has been talked about plenty, but the 9.6 YPA they give up is not just last in the Big 12, its 122nd out of 124 teams in the nation. Plus WVU has a starting corner out of the game. K-State made a real attempt to throw more last week, calling 33 pass plays compared to 40 runs, 9 of those just ended up bring runs because of scrambles/sacks. I'd expect we'll see something similar this week, with a mix of drop back throws with play action, plus more use of empty formations, similar to what we saw against OU. Snyder has been known to open up the offense a little bit more when he knows we need to score, the OSU game last year being a great example. In that game we threw the ball 39 times, by far our most attempts on the year. We also ran it 51 times though for a ridiculous 90 total snaps. Offensively I feel good about what we can do in Morgantown, it will end up being about avoiding the silly mistakes (penalties, turnovers, settling for FGs).
Defensively we've seen offenses like WVU's before. They are very good, but let's consider that last year we faced an OSU team that averaged 7.2 YPP offensively and had one game under 6.0 YPP all season. They destroyed us for 9.1 YPP. We also saw Baylor who averaged 7.6 YPP and had no games below 6.0 YPP. aTm, MU, and OU all averaged over 6.0 YPP as well. This year's WVU averages a very good 6.91, but 3 of their last 4 games they've been below 6.0 YPP. Their .58 PPP is very good, OSU and BU were both more efficient for the season last year. Now, none of that is a guarantee that we'll stop them, but the point is facing a high powered offense is not new to this team, and neither is a tough road venue as the Cats have already won at Norman and Ames. The keys will be forcing TOs and forcing FGs, because WV will have some success moving the ball. The issue here is that WVU has been excellent in both categories, scoring TDs nearly 80% of the time in the redzone and only given up 3 TOs total on the year, including just 1 INT. I'm sure the gameplan will be to limit their running game, and its hard to anticipate what we'll get. WVU was solid running against Texas but below 4.0 YPC against Tech and awful against Maryland. Smith looked unstoppable in their first 4 games, but the last two have both been under 8.0 YPA and under 60% completions against Tech. However, you've got to give a lot of respect to his 26:1 TD:INT ratio. K-State will be looking to reverse trends WVU has had all year in TOs and 3rd down/RZ conversions and both of those will be a challenge. K-State will likely have to be successful in at least one area.
Special teams has always been a staple for Snyder's teams, and this game could be decided here. K-State has a slight very slight advantage in KO returns and coverage, but the real area that K-State could exploit is punt returns. Not only is WVU last in the Big 12 in punt returns and punting (only 37.5 YPP), they are 2nd to last in punt return coverage. K-State is first in punt returns and in punt return coverage. In kicking K-State is 7/8 and WVU is 3/5. If K-State can manage to force some punts, they could turn field position or score with that unit.
The breakdown seems simple enough; K-State's offense and special teams have advantages, while WVU's offense has the advantage over K-State. Generally if you can win 2 of the 3 phases you'll win the game, unless we have an awful defensive performance like OU/OSU from last year. I don't see that happening. That said, I think this will be a tight game, but the Cats will turn it in the 4th quarter with a combination of ball control offense and a big special teams play.
Cats 45 - Eers 37
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Thanks _FAN!
Though I know someone will point out that 1 int was from their backup not Smith.
Thank you again, warm blanket on this cold morning.
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Straight to the bottom, then read the rest!
Go Cats!
56-35
Gonna win 'em all. Every damn one of them.
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Thanks _Fan!
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Thanks _FAN!
Though I know someone will point out that 1 int was from their backup not Smith.
Thank you again, warm blanket on this cold morning.
Good point on the INT. The point still stands; Smith and WVU's offense are really good, but I'm not as concerned about this offense as I was BU or OSU last year.
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I'm guessing he throws his first pick tomorrow. Hopefully his first 3! :crossfingers:
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We will create two turnovers and have one huge special teams play. Aside from that, if our defense stops them at least twice, we win by at least two scores.
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I'm guessing he throws his first pick tomorrow. Hopefully his first 3! :crossfingers:
RG3 hadn't thrown any last year either.
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The breakdown seems simple enough; K-State's offense and special teams have advantages, while WVU's offense has the advantage over K-State. Generally if you can win 2 of the 3 phases you'll win the game, unless we have an awful defensive performance like OU/OSU from last year. I don't see that happening. That said, I think this will be a tight game, but the Cats will turn it in the 4th quarter with a combination of ball control offense and a big special teams play.
Cats 45 - Eers 37
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I'm guessing he throws his first pick tomorrow. Hopefully his first 3! :crossfingers:
RG3 hadn't thrown any last year either.
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They also have allowed conversions on half their 3rd downs and opponents score TDs 70% of the time when they reach the endzone, allowing 21 TDs in 30 RZ opportunities.
Good analysis. However, my stats are showing that opponents score TD's 100% of the time when they reach the endzone.
;)
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They also have allowed conversions on half their 3rd downs and opponents score TDs 70% of the time when they reach the endzone, allowing 21 TDs in 30 RZ opportunities.
Good analysis. However, my stats are showing that opponents score TD's 100% of the time when they reach the endzone.
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Good catch.
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
Yea. I watched you guys struggle to beat Iowa State last week.
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
Yea. I watched you guys struggle to beat Iowa State last week.
Did you watch ISU's linebackers?
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
Yea. I watched you guys struggle to beat Iowa State last week.
Texas Tech "struggled" against ISU as well.
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
Yea. I watched you guys struggle to beat Iowa State last week.
Won by a TD after leading by 2 scores on the road at a ranked team.
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Ill try to keep this short and sweet...
I see about a dozen ways this game could go, but ill give you my 3 most likely scenarios.
1) WVU-56 KSU-28
Geno and the boys get back to the Air Raid offense and WVU shows a LITTLE defense.
2) KSU-45 WVU-21
Klein and the offense run down clock, put a ton of pressure on WVU's offense and they don't show up.
3) WVU-0 KSU-0
Game is cancelled. goEMAW spontaneously combusts from excitement.
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Really want to know what scenario 4 is
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3) WVU-0 KSU-0
Game is cancelled. goEMAW spontaneously combusts from excitement.
Still undefeated :emawkid:
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It's in West Kansas
No it's not. It's in south central, Kansas. It's about 40 miles NW of Wichita... It's been one of the top 2 Juco programs in Kansas (alongside Butler CC) for about 4-5 years now.
They have a VERY good team this year, but are similar to WVU in that they score in bunches but defense has been abysmal. For a point of reference, the Cordarrelle Patterson kid at Tennessee now terrorized that juco conference while at Hutch.
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Really want to know what scenario 4 is
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4) WVU-0 KSU-0
Mayan calendar runs out. goEMAW spontaneously combusts with the rest of the universe.
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Have any WVU fans watched Kstate play at all? (will all our natl coverage the only way to avoid it would be not owning a tv lol)
I ask this just to gauge if real football talk is really going to be possible.
Do you have any HFBIQ poster who analize stats and make charts and ranking systems and crap?
Yea. I watched you guys struggle to beat Iowa State last week.
I will literally LOL when your team loses in Ames. They do this thing in the game where they play defense. Holgerson should look into it.
:lol:
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Question for _Fan:
You say special teams favor us (and obviously it does, I mean, did you SEE our punts downed inside the 5 on Saturday?) But how do we always do it in regards to our return game?
What schematically have we been able to do consistently over 20 years that has given us this edge? I know we've had amazing returners (Lockett, Allen, Newman, Sproles, Banks, Figurs, Nelson, Lockett, Lockett, Lockett, Thompson, Lockett etc,) but I mean, my goodness, what magic potion do we have?
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Question for _Fan:
You say special teams favor us (and obviously it does, I mean, did you SEE our punts downed inside the 5 on Saturday?) But how do we always do it in regards to our return game?
What schematically have we been able to do consistently over 20 years that has given us this edge? I know we've had amazing returners (Lockett, Allen, Newman, Sproles, Banks, Figurs, Nelson, Lockett, Lockett, Lockett, Thompson, Lockett etc,) but I mean, my goodness, what magic potion do we have?
Good question.
Honestly, I think we work on it more than most people. You get out of something what you put into it. This was actually one of the things Prince did really well too. If you genuinely put emphasis on it and make it a point of pride, your players will buy in.
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Check these stats ( :horrorsurprise: ):
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/57900/kansas-state-puts-fourth-best-effort
Everyone seems pretty convinced that WV has a pretty good rush D. Sounds to me like we're being underestimated once again.
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Check these stats ( :horrorsurprise: ):
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/57900/kansas-state-puts-fourth-best-effort
Everyone seems pretty convinced that WV has a pretty good rush D. Sounds to me like we're being underestimated once again.
Remember that year, I think 2 years ago, when it looked like we had a decent rush D but in all actuality it was our pass D was so piss poor no one ran the ball because they could throw for 20 yards a play on us? I think their d is similar. Couple that with the B12 being a pass happy offensive style conference it makes peoples rush D's look better.
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_Fan - some thoughts/questions:
It seems to me from watching coal aggie that whoever is responsible for Tavon in coverage has to stay pretty tight or be ready to come up in a hurry after the snap because of the quick passes they like to throw to him allowing (even a little) open field for him to make people miss. Other corners could play a little farther off their receivers, no?
Along that same vein - was thinking about the strategy of playing "bend don't break" type of coverage/D with the team we have. Especially in light of the stats in the article above - do you think this is a conscious decision to force teams into longer scoring drives for the express purpose of limiting their number of possessions/game? If it takes a team longer to score, they are not likely to get too far ahead of our offense, thus allowing us to still be in the game in the 4th, where we have the advantage due to wearing down the defense/establishing play calling patterns which can then be broken for big gains.
Personally, I think if we can hold them at or under 35 points and continue avoiding mistakes, we should come out w/ a win. I'll call 41-35 KSU. :crossfingers:
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Check these stats ( :horrorsurprise: ):
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/57900/kansas-state-puts-fourth-best-effort
Everyone seems pretty convinced that WV has a pretty good rush D. Sounds to me like we're being underestimated once again.
Remember that year, I think 2 years ago, when it looked like we had a decent rush D but in all actuality it was our pass D was so piss poor no one ran the ball because they could throw for 20 yards a play on us? I think their d is similar. Couple that with the B12 being a pass happy offensive style conference it makes peoples rush D's look better.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
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Check these stats ( :horrorsurprise: ):
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/57900/kansas-state-puts-fourth-best-effort
Everyone seems pretty convinced that WV has a pretty good rush D. Sounds to me like we're being underestimated once again.
Remember that year, I think 2 years ago, when it looked like we had a decent rush D but in all actuality it was our pass D was so piss poor no one ran the ball because they could throw for 20 yards a play on us? I think their d is similar. Couple that with the B12 being a pass happy offensive style conference it makes peoples rush D's look better.
^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^
West Virginia hasn't played a powerful rushing team yet either. Everyone who tried to run on them and failed had mediocre to bad rushing attacks to begin with.
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Guys, I'll say it...WVU is terrible.
The barely beat a horrible Maryland team.
They scored 60 something points vs Baylor...BFD
They barely beat an awful Texas team
They got smoked by a good but not great Tech team
They are the most overhyped BXII team since '09 KU (if you aren't counting every Texas team since VY left or every OU team since '02)
We are going to absolutely clownsuit these guys.
The only way it is a game is if we are forced to blitz AB AND Tuggle to get pressure, as long as one fo them is in the middle to cut off the slant & gos, we're golden.
The CB's MUST play closer to the line than they have in any game this season, other than that, we needn't make many adjustments to our scheme.
KSU - 49 WVU - 23
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I gave WVU entirely too much credit...what an absolute fraud of a joke of a team. Srlsy. Did they even have a secondary? I can't wait to see what OU does against them. THey'll struggle to end up at .500 in a real FB conference. GOod thing we played them early when the win still carries some cache with the voters.