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« Reply #25 on: October 18, 2012, 02:38:42 PM »
You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.

This gives me peace.

I also think we have a significant special teams advantage, but we'll see.

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« Reply #26 on: October 18, 2012, 02:41:51 PM »
You have to respect the WVU offense, they've proven to be legit. But you've also got to say that 3 of the last 4 weeks they've shown that they are human. They were nothing special against Maryland and Tech and did just enough against Texas to get the win. K-State can handle teams like this and they've proven this plenty the last two years. IMO, the keys for K-State's defense will be stopping the run (Tech held them to less than 4 YPC and Maryland held them to 25 yards total rushing) and forcing some turnovers. WVU will get some yards and drives, but the formula we used successfully against Baylor last year should hold true in this one. If K-State does that, they'll be fine and likely win.

This gives me peace.

Have they really proven to be legit though? The only defense comperable to KSU's was Tech & they proved they were overmatched. I don't realy care what Geno did against James Madison, Marshall, Baylor & Maryland, those teams couldn't have beat a Ron Prince KSU squad

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« Reply #27 on: October 18, 2012, 02:46:35 PM »
I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.

If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.

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« Reply #28 on: October 18, 2012, 02:49:24 PM »
I'm pretty much convinced that WVA is really really overated or at least they were before the Tech game.  That said I still think we might get beat by them. 

Someone compared their defense to KU but statistically it's actually much worse then KU if you can believe that.   

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« Reply #29 on: October 18, 2012, 02:51:52 PM »
K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.

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« Reply #30 on: October 18, 2012, 02:54:08 PM »
I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.

If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.

I don't think WVA can blow KSU out I mean who have they blown out?  All of their games against BCS competition have been close with the exception of the Tech game in which obviously WVA was on the wrong end of.  Everyone acts like WVA is some kind of thrashing machine but they have not thrased anyone.   

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« Reply #31 on: October 18, 2012, 03:24:57 PM »
We just need to maximize possession on offense.  Keep geno off the field and score on our possessions. 

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« Reply #32 on: October 18, 2012, 03:32:27 PM »
I think the problem with trying to pick a winner in this game is that both offenses are fantastic and both offenses play their strength against the other's defensive weakness. WVU can score a scary amount of points very quickly and give up just as many points on the defensive end. I can't speak for KSU but from what I can tell there's more balance there than what WVU has. The game will either be a defensive nightmare where the last team to score wins or it will be one team finds themselves up 21 after their defense gets a couple of stops. At that point the game plan goes out the window. This game might be close but it's just as easily a blow-out on either side. WVU's hopes lie in that their game plan is to play like they're down 3 scores at all times and they are home and don't want to be embarrassed again. KSU's hopes are in playing up the underdog card against a team ranked lower than they are and that the WVU players are still a couple hugs away from a psychological recovery after last week's beat-down. Hopefully it will be a well-fought, entertaining game for everyone without anyone getting hurt.

If you're coming to Morgantown for the game be aware that some of the fans can be a little...rough. Please don't let a small minority ruin an otherwise awesome time at a football game.

I don't think WVA can blow KSU out I mean who have they blown out?  All of their games against BCS competition have been close with the exception of the Tech game in which obviously WVA was on the wrong end of.  Everyone acts like WVA is some kind of thrashing machine but they have not thrased anyone.

These are kids playing college sports not professional athletes. I think almost any college team can lose to any other college team on any given Sunday and likewise, that any team can have an unlikely blowout. I'm not saying it's common but it happens. It's also possible to lose to bad teams and beat good teams based on matchups, injuries, etc. I'm not making excuses for last week; that was an ass-whooping. But the reason we watch college football is because we never know what's going to happen in a given week.

 I'm not saying that WVU is a trashing machine; I am saying they have an offense that can score a lot of points from time-to-time. Conceivably you don't think it's possible that KSU comes in a little flat (long road trip, unfamiliar venue) lays an egg in the first few possessions and finds themselves looking at a 3-4 TD hole? Again, these are kids, we don't know how they respond to being in that kind of position. Last week, at TT I believe the WVU players believed that they were in the game until the two late scores in the first half. That rattled their confidence and the game was over at that point. No one believes in the defense, including the coaching staff. No one goes for it on 4th down from their own 35 unless they truly believe their defense can't get off the field. It seemed clear to me that Geno became more concerned with not throwing a pick that actually trying to win the game. Otherwise why throw the ball into the bench on 4th down? Why not give your receiver a chance?

Young players believe hype. WVU was a media darling and they enjoyed the attention a bit too much. We are no longer playing for a national championship so the pressure is off of us. You guys still have a chance to run the table and play for a championship. That's a lot of pressure.

May the best team win this weekend!

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« Reply #33 on: October 18, 2012, 04:50:35 PM »
K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.
FAN, what would you call what happened in Stillwater?  The 2nd half of OU was historic but 52 points in 20m of TOP is horrible as well. 

That said, I do not believe WVU's O is as good as 2011 OSU's O and there is no comparision of the defenses.

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« Reply #34 on: October 18, 2012, 05:04:39 PM »
K-State has had one terrible half of defense in the last 2 years, the 2nd half of the OU game last year. I'm only worried if that happens again, and I don't think the chances of that are high.
FAN, what would you call what happened in Stillwater?  The 2nd half of OU was historic but 52 points in 20m of TOP is horrible as well. 

That said, I do not believe WVU's O is as good as 2011 OSU's O and there is no comparision of the defenses.

Fair point. I suppose if our defense plays like that, we could see a game similar to that OSU game.

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« Reply #35 on: October 18, 2012, 05:10:22 PM »
So chance of rain (and cold) Saturday night in Morgantown... that would be good for us right?

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« Reply #36 on: October 18, 2012, 05:11:35 PM »
So chance of rain (and cold) Saturday night in Morgantown... that would be good for us right?

Not if we don't like getting murdered while cold and wet apparently.

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« Reply #37 on: October 18, 2012, 05:30:00 PM »
Keys to the game.
1. Stuff their run and force them to become the one dimensional offense that they really want to be.  This will allow our 4 man rush to pin their ears back and attack the QB.  Look for ME-SACK to get to GYNO early and often.
2. Corners- need to keep everything in front of them, not get frustated when WVU catches some passes.  Be patient and wait for their spot, I predict either Nigel or Chapman to find a spot to jump on one of those quick slants or outs and take it back for 6.
3. LHC Bill Snyder doing LHC Bill Snyder things.  Long methodical drives taking up time off the clock, w/ lots of running but enough passing to make them have to respect the pass when we come out in that 5 wide look.

We do these things, we come out with a win, we don't do these things then they will be burning couches again in Morgantown.
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« Reply #38 on: October 18, 2012, 05:32:13 PM »
Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.

In all fairness, bruh...  judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.

No?

 :dunno:an!

Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.

Looks like Brandon is the only one.  Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders!   :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!

Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.

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« Reply #39 on: October 18, 2012, 05:37:50 PM »
Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.

In all fairness, bruh...  judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.

No?

 :dunno:an!

Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.

Looks like Brandon is the only one.  Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders!   :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!

Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.

We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run.  We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD.  RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:

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« Reply #40 on: October 18, 2012, 05:41:33 PM »
Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.

In all fairness, bruh...  judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.

No?

 :dunno:an!

Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.

Looks like Brandon is the only one.  Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders!   :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!

Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.

We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run.  We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD.  RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:
Klein to T-Lock should be the entire game plan. Have you seen our, um, errrr uhhhhh... what should be called a secondary?

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« Reply #41 on: October 18, 2012, 05:45:11 PM »
Our rushing defense is better than our pass defense. I can't get a good read on this game. Crazy things happen under the lights in Morgantown.

In all fairness, bruh...  judging by the collective band of excrement that shown up at goEMAW from WV, I'm guessing that crazy things happen 24/7/365 in Morgantown.

No?

 :dunno:an!

Eh, not as much as you'd think. We're pretty laid back for the most part.

Looks like Brandon is the only one.  Carry the torch proudly, a whole commonwealth is on your shoulders!   :emawkid:
I know you're kidding, and this is all in derogatory fun... but commonwealth?? C'Mon man!

Yes, One of our WR's is hurt. Not just one, the best one, Stedman Bailey. However, we are deep in that category.
I do hope KSU plans to run. If WVU has to cover someone, we're doomed.

We plan to run, there is absolutely no doubt that we will run and there is little that your D can do to stop said run.  We will wait for you stack the box and commit fully to stop the run and then CK will hit T-LOCK over the top for the big TD.  RINSE AND REPEAT. :party:
Klein to T-Lock should be the entire game plan. Have you seen our, um, errrr uhhhhh... what should be called a secondary?

lol- yeah thats quite the secondary you guys have, especially w/ Jenkins out.  That being said while I would prefer to see us go to the air 30+ times this game and hang a 100 on WVU, the Cleveland Schemer knows that even a blind squirrel finds a nut every once in awhile and we don't like to risk the possibility of making a mistake and giving you guys hope.  Bill prefers to break all defensive will by ramming the ball down the opposing teams throat, I expect this game to be no different. :grin:

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« Reply #42 on: October 18, 2012, 05:46:29 PM »
WVU is about to learn how frustrating a third and 3 can be

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« Reply #43 on: October 18, 2012, 05:47:06 PM »
The whole using clock and keeping the ball out of Geno's hands.  While there is a benefit of tiring their defense, it makes more sense to get as many possessions as we can to distance ourselves from WVU, since our offense is much better.  Everything evens out in the long run.  Extreme example is if we played a 10 hour game (at our current offensive pace), we'd win by at least 20 touchdowns, and would win this 10 hr game almost everytime.  This vs. having WVU flip a coin and pray for their 24% shot.  Grinding our way to a 1 possession lead is kind of gambling - can't make mistakes.

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« Reply #44 on: October 18, 2012, 05:53:42 PM »
WVU is about to learn how frustrating a third and 3 can be
No, we learned that against James Madison. :bawl:

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« Reply #45 on: October 18, 2012, 05:54:49 PM »
The whole using clock and keeping the ball out of Geno's hands.  While there is a benefit of tiring their defense, it makes more sense to get as many possessions as we can to distance ourselves from WVU, since our offense is much better.  Everything evens out in the long run.  Extreme example is if we played a 10 hour game (at our current offensive pace), we'd win by at least 20 touchdowns, and would win this 10 hr game almost everytime.  This vs. having WVU flip a coin and pray for their 24% shot.  Grinding our way to a 1 possession lead is kind of gambling - can't make mistakes.

While I understand what you mean, we will have little problem scoring.  Look at the OSU game last year.  What the grind it out style manages to do to a team like WVU who is coming off a huge loss in which their offense stumbled, is it demoralizes a team and makes the offense tense.  When we answer say a quick strike touchdown with a long methodical drive it puts pressure on their offense IMHO.
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« Reply #46 on: October 18, 2012, 05:59:59 PM »
Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?

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« Reply #47 on: October 18, 2012, 06:05:46 PM »
Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?

I don't really know much about Hutch Juco these days, however the best juco's in the state are Butler County and Garden City, typically.

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« Reply #48 on: October 18, 2012, 06:06:33 PM »
Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?


1. It's in Hutchinson, Kansas
2. They are the #12 JUCO in the nation as per NJCCA poll

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« Reply #49 on: October 18, 2012, 06:21:06 PM »
Where is Hutchinson CC? We have some JUCO's headed our way from there. Any good or a reject school?


1. It's in Hutchinson, Kansas
2. They are the #12 JUCO in the nation as per NJCCA poll

Appreciate the info. I knew it was in KS. Just not sure if it was close to Minihatten or Law.errrr that other place. ;)