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Title: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 13, 2012, 12:20:52 AM
I really like watching it.  Do you guys want to talk about it?
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: puniraptor on July 13, 2012, 06:54:46 AM
Blake :(
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 07:47:14 AM
this team would murder the "dream team".  could pick their score. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fldermaus on July 13, 2012, 08:31:22 AM
Most of the "dream team" is in their 50s and very fat.  Wouldn't be a contest.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 08:56:35 AM
Most of the "dream team" is in their 50s and very fat.  Wouldn't be a contest.

damn.  burned me good here. 

EDIT:  this team would murder the "dream team" if they were time machined from their olympic year into the present and they played...or the current team was time machined to the past and they played....or a best of 7 series present/past and the old "dream team" could be home team.  could pick their score.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: puniraptor on July 13, 2012, 09:11:42 AM
But what if the dream team were teleported to the future as fetuses and grew up in the same age of basketball and athletic training as the current team?
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 09:12:36 AM
But what if the dream team were teleported to the future as fetuses and grew up in the same age of basketball and athletic training as the current team?

nope, much better athletes on the current team
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 09:48:03 AM
I don't know. Kobe is well past his prime. They are very comparable, actually.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: AbeFroman on July 13, 2012, 09:53:38 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: EllToPay on July 13, 2012, 09:55:44 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

:cyclist:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:02:02 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:02:35 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

That's true, but Larry Bird had a bad back and Magic Johnson had bad knees. Still, they had Jordan, Barkley, Ewing, Drexler, Malone, Stockton, and Robinson in their prime. This year's team is more athletic, but I don't think they are as good at fundamental basketball. It would be a heck of a matchup.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 13, 2012, 10:03:04 AM
this is gonna be a fun time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCM1d48Wh_o (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCM1d48Wh_o)

btw, this team would beat the dream team pretty easily. who on the dream team could compete with Lebron, Durant and Kobe. Not to mention this teams pg play is leaps and bounds better than the dream team. the more I look at it, the more I think it wouldn't even be close.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:03:23 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

Kobe is washed up and over the hill. I would agree if we were having this discussion 4 years ago.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 13, 2012, 10:05:38 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:07:17 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.

If I were picking a 12 man team from members of the Heat and Thunder, I would pick more Thunder players than Heat players, but the Heat were obviously the better team.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:08:22 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.

I would pick a team entirely made up of current members and feel confident we would beat your 8/4 ratio team. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:09:02 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

Kobe is washed up and over the hill. I would agree if we were having this discussion 4 years ago.

exactly, he would brutalize everyone on that team even more if he was in his prime.  current kobe could not be stopped by "in their prime" anyone from that team. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:10:05 AM
I mean, Michael Jordan in his prime would probably be the 15th or 16th best current NBA player. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 13, 2012, 10:10:38 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

or durant, westbrook, lebron, chris paul...

as careful as stockton was with the ball, and as great as he was at taking it away, chris paul would break his ankles, westbrook would blow past him (probably give up a decent amount of turnovers). lol if you think an older magic could guard  deron williams, cp3 or russel. the match up's are just not in the dream teams favor.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on July 13, 2012, 10:12:07 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.

I would pick a team entirely made up of current members and feel confident we would beat your 8/4 ratio team.

This team is infinity better? That is what the math would say.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: EllToPay on July 13, 2012, 10:13:18 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.

You can't have 12 players on the court at one time dumbass.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Gooch on July 13, 2012, 10:14:44 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.
:lol: Yeah WTF was Christian Laettner doing on that team?
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 13, 2012, 10:19:08 AM
If you picked a 12 man team from the members of the two teams it would consist of 8 players from this years team and 4 from the dream team. Therefore, the 2012 team is twice as good as the Dream Team. Fact.

I would pick a team entirely made up of current members and feel confident we would beat your 8/4 ratio team.

NOPE.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:19:17 AM
I would take

Jordan
James
Durant
Ewing
Paul
Carmelo
Malone
Westbrook
Kobe
Harden
Love
Stockton
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on July 13, 2012, 10:20:55 AM
I would take

Jordan
James
Durant
Ewing
Paul
Carmelo
Malone
Westbrook
Kobe
Harden
Love
Stockton

Why are you taking golfers on your bball team?
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:22:05 AM
I'm actually pretty positive the current Thunder or Heat teams would beat the original "dream team" 4 out of 5 times. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 13, 2012, 10:24:37 AM
A lot of talk about how the the dream team would dominate the paint.

Just for comparison:

David Robinson: 7'1" at 235 lbs
Patrick Ewing: 7'0" at 240 lbs
Sir Charles: 6'6" at 250 lbs (fat)
Karl Malone: 6'9 at 255 lbs (husky)
Scotty Pippen: 6'7" at 210 lbs
Christian Laettner: 6'11 at 235 (LOL)

vs.

Lebron James: 6'8" at 250 lbs
Kevin Love: 6'10 at 260 lbs
Kevin Durant: 6'9 at 235 lbs
Tyson Chandler: 7'1 at 240 lbs
Carmelo Anthony: 6'8 at 230 lbs (chubby)
Anthony Davis: 6'10" at 220 lbs (18 yrs old).

The size of the forwards on the 2012 team is just overwhelming. Paired with their athleticism, it's just not even fair.


Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:25:19 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

or durant, westbrook, lebron, chris paul...

as careful as stockton was with the ball, and as great as he was at taking it away, chris paul would break his ankles, westbrook would blow past him (probably give up a decent amount of turnovers). lol if you think an older magic could guard  deron williams, cp3 or russel. the match up's are just not in the dream teams favor.

I think Ewing and Malone would be a difficult matchup for the bigs on Team USA 2012, Ewing especially.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 13, 2012, 10:28:20 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

or durant, westbrook, lebron, chris paul...

as careful as stockton was with the ball, and as great as he was at taking it away, chris paul would break his ankles, westbrook would blow past him (probably give up a decent amount of turnovers). lol if you think an older magic could guard  deron williams, cp3 or russel. the match up's are just not in the dream teams favor.

I think Ewing and Malone would be a difficult matchup for the bigs on Team USA 2012, Ewing especially.

See my above post. A husky Malone could not in any way shape or form keep up with Lebron James. Maybe he could compete against Kevin Love. MAYBE.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:33:52 AM
Everyone on the the 92 team except one are in the hall of fame. Definitely can't say 11 out of the 12 on this team are.

Back on topic, I love watching it too. Nothing like some nationalism mixed in with sports. AMERICA!

there isn't a current member of the hall of fame that could, in their prime, guard kobe.

or durant, westbrook, lebron, chris paul...

as careful as stockton was with the ball, and as great as he was at taking it away, chris paul would break his ankles, westbrook would blow past him (probably give up a decent amount of turnovers). lol if you think an older magic could guard  deron williams, cp3 or russel. the match up's are just not in the dream teams favor.

I think Ewing and Malone would be a difficult matchup for the bigs on Team USA 2012, Ewing especially.

See my above post. A husky Malone could not in any way shape or form keep up with Lebron James. Maybe he could compete against Kevin Love. MAYBE.

I think Love and Malone are pretty comparable, actually. Ewing was better than any of the 7 footers on this year's team. You also have old Kobe guarding young Jordan. The two teams match up very well.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 13, 2012, 10:34:50 AM
picture the greatest michael jordan, charles barkley, karl malone, larry bird, magic johnson plays in your mind.  those plays happen multiple times in every NBA game today.  players have just committed themselves to being better than they did back then.  this is before even considering that today's player is a vastly superior athlete. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 13, 2012, 10:41:25 AM
picture the greatest michael jordan, charles barkley, karl malone, larry bird, magic johnson plays in your mind.  those plays happen multiple times in every NBA game today.  players have just committed themselves to being better than they did back then.  this is before even considering that today's player is a vastly superior athlete.

This is true.

OH MAN MAGIC JOHNSON DIDN'T LOOK IN THE DIRECTION IN WHICH HE THREW THE PASS OMG AMAZING! 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 13, 2012, 10:42:26 AM
picture the greatest michael jordan, charles barkley, karl malone, larry bird, magic johnson plays in your mind.  those plays happen multiple times in every NBA game today.  players have just committed themselves to being better than they did back then.  this is before even considering that today's player is a vastly superior athlete.

Today's NBA is much better, no doubt. That doesn't mean that 29 year old Michael Jordan could not crack the roster of Team USA, though. We wasn't as good as he was after his first retirement, but he would still be an elite player today.

Magic and Bird wouldn't even be all stars, though. I will give you that.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Brock Landers on July 13, 2012, 11:07:10 AM
I love the 1992 Dream Team, but anyone who doesn't think the level of talent and athleticism in today's NBA has gone way up in the last 20 years, well then there's just no hope for those people.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 18, 2012, 08:37:14 PM
Need to shoot better than they did against Brazil. Size inside won't matter nearly as much as everyone thinks.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Spaces on July 18, 2012, 11:12:37 PM
2012 Brazil would beat the Dream Team in a best of 7.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 12:08:00 AM
2012 Brazil would beat the Dream Team in a best of 7.

Dream Team wins in 5.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 12:11:57 AM
When I'm down, I like to think about Larry Bird trying to guard Kevin Durant or maybe trying to close out Lebron on the perimeter or run with Carmelo in transition, and it always brings a smile to my face.

Also, it's fun to see my friends get older and start to get all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) about Jordan the way my dad was about Bird/Magic.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 12:13:29 AM
When I'm down, I like to think about Larry Bird trying to guard Kevin Durant or maybe trying to close out Lebron on the perimeter or run with Carmelo in transition, and it always brings a smile to my face.

Also, it's fun to see my friends get older and start to get all Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) about Jordan the way my dad was about Bird/Magic.

I don't think Bird would actually get many minutes in that game, though. He was the worst player on that team.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 12:20:30 AM
Just imagine Bird at any age trying to guard any forward on the current USA team. It's a good time. Trust me.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on July 19, 2012, 12:24:38 AM
Bird was basically dead by 1992, he barely played.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 12:31:44 AM
The current dream team would make Bird/Magic (at any age) look like a bunch of Jenny Craig trainees in snowshoes trying to take a tennis ball away from a Dalmatian.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 08:22:57 AM
The current dream team would make Bird/Magic (at any age) look like a bunch of Jenny Craig trainees in snowshoes trying to take a tennis ball away from a Dalmatian.

I agree, but I don't think they are much better, or even quite as good as the rest of the team. You are singling out the two worst players on the team who were only selected to appease the NBA tucks (who no longer exist, btw) and would have never played, only that team won all of their games by about 50.

I think a best of 7 series goes 7 games, and the 2012 team probably wins because they don't have geriatric players assigned to the bench.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 08:28:57 AM
The current dream team would make Bird/Magic (at any age) look like a bunch of Jenny Craig trainees in snowshoes trying to take a tennis ball away from a Dalmatian.

I agree, but I don't think they are much better, or even quite as good as the rest of the team. You are singling out the two worst players on the team who were only selected to appease the NBA tucks (who no longer exist, btw) and would have never played, only that team won all of their games by about 50.

I think a best of 7 series goes 7 games, and the 2012 team probably wins because they don't have geriatric players assigned to the bench.

how many times does he have to explain this.  he's not saying bird/magic during the dream team years.  he's saying them each in their prime.  Felix is specifying that Magic/Bird IN THEIR PRIME NOT DURING THE DREAM TEAM ERA would look hilariously awful against the current crop of NBA players.  I would personally take it further and add that Michael Jordan IN HIS PRIME or anyone else on the original dream team IN THEIR PRIME would look bad against the current best of the NBA.  ie. a currently aging Kobe well past his prime would dominate a Michael Jordan in his prime. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: bigwilliesock on July 19, 2012, 08:34:37 AM
Jesus mother rough ridin' christ this thread is full of rough ridin' dumbshit.  This years team barely beat rough ridin' Brazil and now they're gonna walk all over the dream team?  I can see why we don't deserve good basketball here, you mother rough ridin' morons don't even know what good basketball is you dumb rough ridin' piece of crap moronic faggots
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 08:36:53 AM
Jesus mother rough ridin' christ this thread is full of rough ridin' dumbshit.  This years team barely beat rough ridin' Brazil and now they're gonna walk all over the dream team?  I can see why we don't deserve good basketball here, you mother rough ridin' morons don't even know what good basketball is you dumb rough ridin' piece of crap moronic faggots

this years Brazil team would beat the original dream team pretty bad.  when the original dream team was around one country cared about basketball.  now it's become an international game. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 08:49:55 AM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: bakerman on July 19, 2012, 09:01:11 AM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.

Isiah Thomas and Bill Lambier....  :lol: :lol: :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: bakerman on July 19, 2012, 09:02:00 AM
BILL WALTON  :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 19, 2012, 09:02:25 AM
Jesus mother rough ridin' christ this thread is full of rough ridin' dumbshit.  This years team barely beat rough ridin' Brazil and now they're gonna walk all over the dream team?  I can see why we don't deserve good basketball here, you mother rough ridin' morons don't even know what good basketball is you dumb rough ridin' piece of crap moronic faggots

I know, right? Every person on this board is SO... well, all that stuff you said. Well put, BWS.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 09:12:25 AM
Hey, guys. Do you think George Mikan would be a 20/10 guy in the NBA today, or a 30/10 guy? Probably 30/10.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 09:12:48 AM
George Mikan in his prime, I mean.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 09:13:18 AM
The current dream team would make Bird/Magic (at any age) look like a bunch of Jenny Craig trainees in snowshoes trying to take a tennis ball away from a Dalmatian.

I agree, but I don't think they are much better, or even quite as good as the rest of the team. You are singling out the two worst players on the team who were only selected to appease the NBA tucks (who no longer exist, btw) and would have never played, only that team won all of their games by about 50.

I think a best of 7 series goes 7 games, and the 2012 team probably wins because they don't have geriatric players assigned to the bench.

how many times does he have to explain this.  he's not saying bird/magic during the dream team years.  he's saying them each in their prime.  Felix is specifying that Magic/Bird IN THEIR PRIME NOT DURING THE DREAM TEAM ERA would look hilariously awful against the current crop of NBA players.  I would personally take it further and add that Michael Jordan IN HIS PRIME or anyone else on the original dream team IN THEIR PRIME would look bad against the current best of the NBA.  ie. a currently aging Kobe well past his prime would dominate a Michael Jordan in his prime.

I know what he said and I agree. Bird and Johnson in their prime were still the two worst players on that team, other than Laettner.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 19, 2012, 09:42:10 AM
Pretty sure in 2032 when basketball players are robots and the goal is 50 ft high the old dorks will still take the Dream Team in a best of 7.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 10:31:32 AM
Pretty sure in 2032 when basketball players are robots and the goal is 50 ft high the old dorks will still take the Dream Team in a best of 7.

Quote from: 2050
I mean, they had Bird and Mullin coming off the bench! THE BENCH!
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
so, i'm pretty sure nobody in this thread is serious.  right? 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 10:46:07 AM
so, i'm pretty sure nobody in this thread is serious.  right?

I am 100% serious. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 19, 2012, 10:57:48 AM
so, i'm pretty sure nobody in this thread is serious.  right?

I am 100% serious. 

Ditto.

Pretty sure in 2032 when basketball players are robots and the goal is 50 ft high the old dorks will still take the Dream Team in a best of 7.

Quote from: 2050
I mean, they had Bird and Mullin coming off the bench! THE BENCH!

 :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 10:58:04 AM
so, i'm pretty sure nobody in this thread is serious.  right?

I am 100% serious.

i remember having this conversation on gpc in my previous bbs'ing life and was ridiculed by about 15 belvis noland's. it was fascinating.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 10:59:45 AM
Has it been mentioned yet how this looks suspiciously like a Stealth bomber?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqoG0qjpf6YCfa_QPqhzZHpKH1Py2QkENV3SjvMAnIiEitH4f7)
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 11:11:39 AM
Has it been mentioned yet how this looks suspiciously like a Stealth bomber?

(https://encrypted-tbn3.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRqoG0qjpf6YCfa_QPqhzZHpKH1Py2QkENV3SjvMAnIiEitH4f7)

haha, in your face loser countries with loser military expenditures
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 11:21:04 AM
also, lol at Mullin.  he wouldn't make a current NBA roster. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 11:31:39 AM
For one, even Kobe doesn't think '12 could beat '92 in a series. 

“They have (Patrick) Ewing and (David) Robinson and those big guys. It’s tough. If you’re asking me, ‘Can you beat them one game?’ Hell yeah, we can beat them one game.  You didn’t ask me if we could beat them in a seven-game series. In one game, we can beat them. No question about it.”

Second, the only real argument I can see in favor of the '12 team is athleticism, and even that's not much of an argument.  Lebron is superior to anybody.  ever.  PGs Paul, Williams are probably more athletic than John Stockton and Magic.  But, other than that, I would argue that the '92 team was as athletic or more athletic in the back court.  Kobe and MJ are a push.  Bird and Durant are a wash (yes I know Bird is a white guy with a mullet and Durant is black, but they play a very similar game).  Pippen and Clyde would face eff guys like James Harden and Russell Westbrook.  Front court isn't even an argument.   

'12 are allegedly bigger, stronger, faster - across the board.  let's not forget, we're talking about 20 years ago, not 50.  We're not talking about Pete Marovich, John Havlocic and Kevin McHale.  The '92 guys were sick. 

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fpippen.jpg&hash=bfe44fbaf0cee33e702982ee589e63e55c19eeaf)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fkarl-malone.jpg&hash=032d1ab150dcc2669aa3e9e955fff4c96d8e8924)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fjordan.jpg&hash=61dd19cf7bf94d7a9a2a0cf4725e23b54f20f871)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fdavid_robinson_display_image.jpg&hash=258f84d4c357c98ee8fd99bb6e220901409be777)

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 11:36:31 AM
I'd also like to point out in my Karl Malone photo, Dennis Rodman's hand placement is amazing.  speaking of sick athletes, Dennis Rodman was as athletic a 4-man as any in the NBA today, IMO. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: bakerman on July 19, 2012, 11:45:08 AM
Lebron could shut down Robinson, Malone, Barkley, and probably Ewing.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 11:52:50 AM
Lebron could shut down Robinson, Malone, Barkley, and probably Ewing.

Jordan, Bird, Magic, Stockton...the list goes on
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2012, 11:56:46 AM
the same thing is true for every sport in the history of the world.  players today are better than players 30 years ago.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:00:14 PM
Yeah Lebron could. But Lebron can't guard all 5 players, right? 

Like I said, Lebron is the most athletic player in the history of the game. Great player. No question.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: OK_Cat on July 19, 2012, 12:01:39 PM
i still think jordan could take lebron one-on-one.

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2012, 12:05:28 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO.  Probably david robinson as well. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:06:23 PM
i still think jordan could take lebron one-on-one.

I don't know about that. But anybody else on the '12 team?  Yes.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 12:13:25 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO.  Probably david robinson as well.

agreed.  some of those guys would see time.  a lot wouldn't. 

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime.  possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:15:10 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO.  Probably david robinson as well.

So were Ewing, Karl, Pippen and Magic.  Don't know about clyde. The white guys on the 92 team probably couldn't play today.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 19, 2012, 12:16:51 PM
 :lol:

Durant and Bird a wash. LOL. You have to be on crack.

Also you forgot about Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Love, Tyson Chandler (reigning defensive MVP), and how good of an athlete russel westbrook is. The 2012 team have 3 or 4 guys who can guard 1-3 (dominantly) and 1-4 (effectively).
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:21:42 PM
Incidentally, Karl was a bench player with the Lakers when Kobe was in his prime. Prime Karl starts for any Lakers team Kobe has ever played for.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 12:28:04 PM
I just never got Chris Mullin at all.  Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that.  I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html)
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:33:50 PM
I just never got Chris Mullin at all.  Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that.  I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.

Pro athletes and pro leagues, on the whole are superior today.  Legends are transcendent. Nolan Ryan and Barry Bonds would play in the MLB.  Herschel Walker and Jerry Rice would play in the NFL. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 12:58:58 PM
:lol:

Durant and Bird a wash. LOL. You have to be on crack.


IMO, Durant isn't an incredible athlete.  He's an incredible shooter and scorer.  I think Dirk is one of the best shooters and scorers in the league, but he's not an incredible athlete. 



Also you forgot about Carmelo Anthony, Kevin Love, Tyson Chandler (reigning defensive MVP), and how good of an athlete russel westbrook is. The 2012 team have 3 or 4 guys who can guard 1-3 (dominantly) and 1-4 (effectively).

I didn't forget about any of these guys.  I think they're very good players.  As a whole, I think the '92 front court in their prime is superior to the '12 front court.  And I don't even think it's close.  Granted, I consider James a back court player. 

 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Saulbadguy on July 19, 2012, 01:13:32 PM
 :sdeek:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Saulbadguy on July 19, 2012, 01:14:42 PM
 :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 03:17:54 PM

agreed.  some of those guys would see time.  a lot wouldn't. 

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime.  possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

I honestly can't tell if you are serious.  Basically, a bunch of hall of famers in the last 20 years would either be european players or wouldn't play at all.  It's so ludicrous I can't even get upset about it.  The only way to really respond is to point out some current NBA starters and let you compare to your own list. 

Zydrunas Ilgauskas started for the Cavs from 2002-2009.  Eric Dampier was a regular starter for the Mavs from 2004-2010.  Joel Anthony started many games for the Heat this year.  Boris Diaw starts for the Bobcats.  Aaron Gray starts for the Raptors.  Ron Artest starts for the Lakers.  JJ Redick regularly starts for the Magic.   

I mean, holy crap, you're going to argue that the Karl rough ridin' Malone, a 6'10" 260lb brick crap house, 2nd most points of all time, who retired in 2005, would be merely a role player in the 2012 NBA where guys like Aaron Gray and Boris Diaw are starters?  Magic Johnson would be coming off the bench to backup a guy like JJ Redick?  Are you insane?  I guess I'm just a tuck, but that's some crazy crap right there.   

(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Fmalone-weights-1.jpg&hash=1208a41728284f33403d91b82a435818fd5a71a1)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi13.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fa279%2Fmirak%2Faaron-1.jpg&hash=bba83127d6af11c3b386c105e8ebd3d94159b8fb)

I get that the average NBA athlete is stronger and faster today.  But, come on, every single player on the '92 dream team would play in the NBA today.  They may not be HOF guys, or even starters, but every single one of those guys would play today.  IMO, Jordan, Pippen, Ewing, Robinson, Malone would still be HOF, All-Star caliber players in today's game.  Maybe even Magic and Clyde.   


 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: puniraptor on July 19, 2012, 03:34:51 PM
I just never got Chris Mullin at all.  Went back and looked at his career stats and going into the 92 Olympics he was coming off 4 consecutive seasons of scoring at least 25 points per game, and had one more season over 25 ppg right after that.  I guess it's easy to discount him because he's an ugly white guy with a terrible buzz cut.


http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mullich01.html)

mullin sucked ass in NBA jam
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: michigancat on July 19, 2012, 03:52:26 PM
LMAO, the true highlight is Marv Albert saying "FACIAL on Arvydas Sabonis".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhnj-kr9_Zs

oh wow, cool layups, "dream team". :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on July 19, 2012, 04:06:32 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO.  Probably david robinson as well.

agreed.  some of those guys would see time.  a lot wouldn't. 

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime.  possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

Quit trolling, jesus christ.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 04:16:29 PM
Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Skipper44 on July 19, 2012, 04:26:21 PM
Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.
Mullin was a big time drinker in his early years - IRCC his flattop years were when he was sober.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 04:30:12 PM
Was Mullin fat? Because I remember him like a fat Mike Miller who didn't win championships. Also, I'm assuming that all the DreamTeam Believers also think that Red Grange would be a Heisman winner today. Or that Babe Ruth would be winning battle titles. And that their dad can beat up your dad.

Red Grange would suck. Babe Ruth absolutely would be an incredible batter today, especially if got himself on roids like everyone else. Baseball is not about athleticism. See ball. Hit ball.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: puniraptor on July 19, 2012, 04:39:47 PM
I have a dream team poster. It says "made in heaven" and appears to be a composite of wheaties box photos.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Brock Landers on July 19, 2012, 04:49:40 PM
I have a dream team poster. It says "made in heaven" and appears to be a composite of wheaties box photos.


It's probably the same one Belvis Noland still has hanging above his bed    :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 04:51:54 PM
I didn't even know who was on the dream team other than Jordan, Bird, and Magic. I had to look up their wikipedia page so I could participate in this discussion.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 19, 2012, 04:57:28 PM
5'10 white guys cling to Stockton tighter than Stockton's shorts clung to his own upper thighs. And Larry Bird has officially passed into 30 rock mythology as a "white myth." He may as well be rough ridin' St Patrick driving snakes out of Ireland or whatever.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: TheCatFanSpeaks on July 19, 2012, 04:57:52 PM

mullin sucked ass in NBA jam

You're wrong.  Chris was the best at NBA jam.  Instant "on fire."
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 04:59:35 PM

It's probably the same one Belvis Noland still has hanging above his bed    :lol:


I don't have a Dream Team poster hanging above my bed.  I did have an Andre Agassi poster in my room until I was about a sophomore in highschool.  And my elementary school P.E. teacher (Rich Kuzdym) had a Karl Malone "Mailman" poster hanging in the gym.  So, there's that. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on July 19, 2012, 05:16:55 PM
GTFO Belvis, the athletes are so much better today.  For example Cole Aldrich, can barely sniff a roster in the NBA today, would be a solid starter and a possible one off all star in the league 20 years ago.   
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: EllToPay on July 19, 2012, 05:56:19 PM
And Larry Bird has officially passed into 30 rock mythology as a "white myth." He may as well be rough ridin' St Patrick driving snakes out of Ireland or whatever.

:lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 06:12:36 PM
jordan was big/athletic enough in his prime to play today IMO.  Probably david robinson as well.

agreed.  some of those guys would see time.  a lot wouldn't. 

Jordan (probably a starter for most teams today in his prime.  possible all star.)
Robinson (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Ewing (role player big man, would start for some teams)
Bird (bench)
Pippen (bench)
Drexler (bench or euro)
Malone (role player)
Stockton (Euro)
Mullin (Insurance salesman)
Barkley (Euro)
Magic (bench or role player)
Laettner (male model)

Quit trolling, jesus christ.

I am absolutely not trolling.  Think about the very best play any of the above ever made in their careers.  The most athletic, off balance, no look, whatever.  Now realize that that play was equaled or surpassed in every single NBA game this season.  The players are just better trained, more athletic, more dedicated to the game.  The training today along with the early age these kids start playing basketball 60 hours a week puts them in an entirely different game than the dream team era players. 

and lol at showing pictures of Karl Malone lifting weights as part of any argument. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 06:19:37 PM
Yeah, again, if Z can start for the Cavs for in 2010, your list is completely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Case closed. 

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 19, 2012, 06:21:53 PM
Yeah, again, if Z can start for the Cavs for in 2010, your list is completely Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Case closed.

do your own list using my same descriptors.  I'm curious as to how it comes out. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 19, 2012, 06:38:43 PM
LMAO, the true highlight is Marv Albert saying "FACIAL on Arvydas Sabonis".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hhnj-kr9_Zs

oh wow, cool layups, "dream team". :lol:

I could pull 10 highlights out of the game against Great Britain today that would be better than any of those.  Good grief those were just awful.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cire on July 19, 2012, 07:40:14 PM
No effing way malone is 6 10
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 08:04:43 PM
All players in their primes playing in 2013.

Jordan - starter, all-star, MVP.
Robinson - starter, all-star.  In the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan.  '13 not many elite centers in the game. 
Ewing - starter. 
Bird - role player, probably starter.  Still place in game for less athletic pure shooters.  See Dirk.
Pippin - starter, probably fringe all star.  If guys like Gilbert Arenas can be franchise players in today's game, Pippen can be an all-star.
Drexler - never watched him play much.  He'd play in the NBA.  Role player at worst. 
Malone - starter, all-star, maybe MVP if he won a championship.  As or more athletic than PF in game today.
Stockton - role player. 
Mull in. - never saw him play, really.  Again, he'd play in NBA bc pure shooters can play.  He'll, steph curry got drafted.
Barkley - he'd play and would probably start.  Glen Davis and the dude from OKC have both started in today's game.  So would Barkley.
Magic.  He'd play, probably start. 
Laettner.  He'd play.  Role player.  He'll, he played through the mid 2000s as it was.  See Nick Collison.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Trim on July 19, 2012, 08:15:18 PM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.

Isiah Thomas and Bill Lambier....  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go in the back...
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 19, 2012, 08:17:05 PM
Aging Jordan actually was in the league at the same time as young Kobe, and was much better. I think it's a bit of a stretch to claim that aging Kobe would be too much for in-his-prime Jordan to handle.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 19, 2012, 08:37:46 PM
The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true.  I think it's most true in football.  Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA. 

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts. 

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s.  Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well.  I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys. 

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 19, 2012, 08:43:52 PM
The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true.  I think it's most true in football.  Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA. 

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts. 

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s.  Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well.  I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys. 

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.

So you're saying a lot of these Dream Team Superstars were still playing when Kobe was dominating the NBA winning championship after championship in the early 2000's?   :sdeek:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: jmlynch1 on July 19, 2012, 09:30:20 PM
Barkley was leading scorer/rebounder in '92
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: bakerman on July 20, 2012, 06:19:58 AM
If any of the current #15-#30 best NBA players had played in the 80s/90s they would currently be seen (by dumbasses) as the greatest basketball player to ever play the game and people would be saying that nobody could ever surpass them. Their complete domination of the 80s/90s era players would make them seem much better then they actually were.

Isiah Thomas and Bill Lambier....  :lol: :lol: :lol:

Go in the back...

I take it these are your two favorite players of all time?

 :dunno: I was laughing with steve dave...
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 07:10:23 AM
The whole argument is that '13 NBA players are superior because science and training has created bigger stronger faster athletes. On the whole, this is true.  I think it's most true in football.  Probably less true for baseball (sans steroids) and NBA. 

Just don't forget that the '92 guys were amazing athletes, most of whom played through the 90s and into the 00s. Were not talking about guys who played with peach baskets and chuck Ts. 

Jordan, Robinson, Malone all retired in early 00s and were all stars in the 00s.  Pippen, Stockton, Ewing, Laetner all retired in the 00s as well.  I mean, Kobe played on the same floor as these guys. 

Magic, Clyde, Bird, mullin were all a generation older, but I think they were still athletic enough to play in the '13 NBA.

superior science and training is a small part of it compared to the time today's players have put into the game.  they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers.  todays players just put more work into the game.  the AAU grind instilled this in them early. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 07:13:54 AM
No effing way malone is 6 10

yeah, that was lol
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 20, 2012, 09:23:15 AM

they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers.  todays players just put more work into the game.  the AAU grind instilled this in them early.


What in the...
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on July 20, 2012, 09:43:45 AM
Entire 92' team had HIV they got from sharing water bottles from Magic, right? Don't think they could even play today.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 20, 2012, 10:08:42 AM

they have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team players had at the same point in their careers.  todays players just put more work into the game.  the AAU grind instilled this in them early.


What in the...

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on July 20, 2012, 11:41:49 AM

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.


Like I said in my list that I compiled for SD, Robinson would be "in the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan.  '13 not many elite centers in the game."  I don't know if Robinson is better than Howard, but I think he could compete, i.e. start opposite him and do a nice job. 

There simply aren't many great centers in the league today.  You basically have Howard and then everybody else.  Do you honestly think that guys like Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing in their prime aren't better than current NBA starters Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Andrea Bargnani, Andrew Bynum?  Sersiouly, quit trolling for a second.  Do you honestly believe this? 

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 20, 2012, 12:03:42 PM

Your failure to see understand this might have something to do with thinking David Robinson could compete with Dwight Howard.


Like I said in my list that I compiled for SD, Robinson would be "in the conversation with guys like Howard and Duncan.  '13 not many elite centers in the game."  I don't know if Robinson is better than Howard, but I think he could compete, i.e. start opposite him and do a nice job. 

There simply aren't many great centers in the league today.  You basically have Howard and then everybody else.  Do you honestly think that guys like Robinson, Olajuwon, Ewing in their prime aren't better than current NBA starters Aaron Gray, Marc Gasol, Andrea Bargnani, Andrew Bynum?  Sersiouly, quit trolling for a second.  Do you honestly believe this?

Alonzo Mourning was better than all of those guys.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: OK_Cat on July 20, 2012, 12:13:49 PM
serge ibaka would destroy the crap out of karl malone
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 12:40:40 PM
the thing about the big men of the dream team era was that teams were built around them.  6'8"+ plodders who couldn't play on the perimeter.  that crap won't fly today.  they would have roles in today's game but they would be minor roles.  karl malone wouldn't do crap today.  charles barkley would not be able to compete.  he just wasn't big, athletic or skilled enough. malone and david robinson were seen as athletic freaks because they lifted weights back when nobody lifted weights.  everyone lifts weights now.  serge ibaka that okcat mentions WOULD destory karl malone and he's not seen as being good today.  he's not seen as being an athletic freak.  he would have been then. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: michigancat on July 20, 2012, 12:53:20 PM
the thing about the big men of the dream team era was that teams were built around them.  6'8"+ plodders who couldn't play on the perimeter.  that crap won't fly today.  they would have roles in today's game but they would be minor roles.  karl malone wouldn't do crap today.  charles barkley would not be able to compete.  he just wasn't big, athletic or skilled enough. malone and david robinson were seen as athletic freaks because they lifted weights back when nobody lifted weights.  everyone lifts weights now.  serge ibaka that okcat mentions WOULD destory karl malone and he's not seen as being good today.  he's not seen as being an athletic freak.  he would have been then. 

yeah, shaq changed the way the game was officiated and made it necessary for the guys to be so much stronger and more athletic. The game is just so much more physical now, which has really reduced the ability of centers to score. Back in the olden days, Olajuwon could just run to the block every time and the other team would let him catch it and he would do a hook shot with no one touching him. BFD.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:07:13 PM
ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's". (http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/8132597/olympic-world-records-great-stagnation-espn-magazine)
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 03:11:57 PM
ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's". (http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/8132597/olympic-world-records-great-stagnation-espn-magazine)

steve dave says "Hey retards, ESPN is wrong"
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:17:55 PM
Someone needs to get Geoffroy Berthelot to start posting in this thread.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:20:13 PM
It is cool to find out that ESPN the Magazine reads goEMAW, and they enjoy mushing Steve Dave in the face.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on July 20, 2012, 03:34:08 PM
ESPN says, "Hey retards at goEMAW, athletes stopped getting better in early 90's". (http://espn.go.com/olympics/story/_/id/8132597/olympic-world-records-great-stagnation-espn-magazine)

steve dave says "Hey retards, ESPN is wrong"

steve dave, debunked by science.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: michigancat on July 20, 2012, 03:36:05 PM
well, the world record for points in a game was set in 1964 and the world record for rebounds was set in 1960, so science obviously shows that basketball players stopped getting better in the mid-sixties.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on July 20, 2012, 03:37:45 PM
well, the world record for points in a game was set in 1964 and the world record for rebounds was set in 1960, so science obviously shows that basketball players stopped getting better in the mid-sixties.

 :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 03:38:49 PM
LOL at using ESPN the Magazine and "science" in the same context.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 20, 2012, 03:40:58 PM
If you start from 1991 forward, there are just Lebrons as far as the rough ridin' eye can see. Lebrons Lebrons Lebrons.

Oh, what's this, another 6'8" 260 pounder who's the fastest guy on the court and can play/defend all five positions? Yawn. Got a dozen of those already. Do you have any 7-footers with 25-ft range combined with penetration/mid-range skills? LOL! My cupboard's already full of those, too!
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on July 20, 2012, 03:44:55 PM
Also, one guy running really fast in 1990 is apparently the same thing as 1,000 guys running the same speed today.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: SleepFighter on July 20, 2012, 03:47:05 PM
Oh man, look at this thread filling up with Williams Jenning Bryans.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 03:48:05 PM
the thing about the big men of the dream team era was that teams were built around them.  6'8"+ plodders who couldn't play on the perimeter.  that crap won't fly today.  they would have roles in today's game but they would be minor roles.  karl malone wouldn't do crap today.  charles barkley would not be able to compete.  he just wasn't big, athletic or skilled enough. malone and david robinson were seen as athletic freaks because they lifted weights back when nobody lifted weights.  everyone lifts weights now.  serge ibaka that okcat mentions WOULD destory karl malone and he's not seen as being good today.  he's not seen as being an athletic freak.  he would have been then. 

yeah, shaq changed the way the game was officiated and made it necessary for the guys to be so much stronger and more athletic. The game is just so much more physical now, which has really reduced the ability of centers to score. Back in the olden days, Olajuwon could just run to the block every time and the other team would let him catch it and he would do a hook shot with no one touching him. BFD.

The dream shake would still be very effective today. Olajuwon had a rare combination of size, speed, and touch that would be an asset to any current NBA roster.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cire on July 20, 2012, 03:48:42 PM
At lunch today I blurted out, lebron vs magic.  My coworker spit spaghetti out his nose.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 20, 2012, 03:50:42 PM
At lunch today I blurted out, lebron vs magic.  My coworker spit spaghetti out his nose.

Who's side did he take? The only answer is Lebron, but the world is full of dumbasses who would take Magic.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cire on July 20, 2012, 04:18:20 PM
lebron, though he didn't have to answer.

I almost followed up with Malone vs Blake griffin but I didn't want to kill the guy.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on July 20, 2012, 07:52:41 PM
There is just no winning with these people.

Btw Andrew Bynum would absolutely obliterate Ewing or Robinson. It wouldn't even be close. Longer, taller, stronger and more skilled.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: OK_Cat on July 21, 2012, 09:25:58 AM
lebron, though he didn't have to answer.

I almost followed up with Malone vs Blake griffin but I didn't want to kill the guy.

that would probably be a close one.  griffin is a soft pussy and malone is slow.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: michigancat on July 21, 2012, 09:50:21 AM
There is just no winning with these people.

Btw Andrew Bynum would absolutely obliterate Ewing or Robinson. It wouldn't even be close. Longer, taller, stronger and more skilled.

yeah, Bynum is very underrated.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 24, 2012, 12:37:19 PM
Marc Gasol thinks '92 beats '12 by 20 on a bad day.   :sdeek:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on July 24, 2012, 04:56:58 PM
Pau Gasol getting the superstar treatment in Spain. What a big ugly dork.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on July 24, 2012, 09:47:52 PM
stfu pud, gasol is awesome
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: kim carnes on July 24, 2012, 10:47:26 PM
debating which team is better is dumb imo
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on July 29, 2012, 03:29:48 AM
There is just no winning with these people.

Btw Andrew Bynum would absolutely obliterate Ewing or Robinson. It wouldn't even be close. Longer, taller, stronger and more skilled.

yeah, Bynum is very underrated.

Ewing is also underrated. He was a very good big. He had a ton of offensive tools and was a major defensive presence. He's easily one of the 5 best NBA big men of all time.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 02, 2012, 07:22:37 PM
26 threes.     :horrorsurprise:    :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on August 02, 2012, 08:38:09 PM
THIR-T-EIGHT ASSISTS!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: SabiNation on August 02, 2012, 09:34:59 PM
Today's game was unbelievable.  2012 > 1992  imo
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 03, 2012, 12:09:48 AM
Previous record for 3's in a game: 13

USA makes 29.  I mean, that's just unbelievable.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Tobias on August 03, 2012, 12:12:18 AM
would probably beat the '92 geezers in a 5v10 by a million, at this rate
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 03, 2012, 10:01:11 AM
probably the greatest shooting performance by a team ever. a plus 18 t/o margin. 

:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 03, 2012, 10:39:37 AM
Let's be honest here, 2012 would probably have beat the '92 losers by the same margin. 

On a related note, watched Great Britain play yesterday.  Don't know if we play em, but I imagine we'd beat them by about the same margin as we did Nigeria. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 03, 2012, 10:45:35 AM
Let's be honest here, 2012 would probably have beat the '92 losers by the same margin. 

On a related note, watched Great Britain play yesterday.  Don't know if we play em, but I imagine we'd beat them by about the same margin as we did Nigeria.

Played them in an exhibition game a couple weeks ago.  Beat them by 40.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 03, 2012, 12:48:15 PM
would probably beat the '92 geezers in a 5v10 by a million, at this rate

According to some people I know there's no way MJ would've let the 92 team lose.  NO WAY! 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 03, 2012, 01:17:25 PM

According to some people I know there's no way MJ would've let the 92 team lose.  NO WAY!


Those people are idiots.  MJ wouldn't even get minutes with the team he now owns.  Just didn't play enough AAU bball as a kid. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on August 03, 2012, 02:24:13 PM

According to some people I know there's no way MJ would've let the 92 team lose.  NO WAY!


Those people are idiots.  MJ wouldn't even get minutes with the team he now owns.  Just didn't play enough AAU bball as a kid.

Did you know he got cut from his high school team? Well, he did. Little known fact.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 04, 2012, 09:32:53 AM
Man, Lithuania always gives us trouble.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Trim on August 04, 2012, 09:58:13 AM
USA fans partying it up.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 04, 2012, 10:18:44 AM
Big time moral victory for Lithuania.  I've never seen a team so happy after a close loss.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 04, 2012, 10:24:24 AM
USA defense was horrendous. Also, Kobe has been pretty much worthless the entire Olympics + Exhibitions.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: ednksu on August 04, 2012, 12:48:40 PM
USA defense was horrendous. Also, Kobe has been pretty much worthless the entire Olympics + Exhibitions.
lulz
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 04, 2012, 01:36:08 PM
USA defense was horrendous. Also, Kobe has been pretty much worthless the entire Olympics + Exhibitions.

Kobe is pounding ass all over London, get off his case.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: 3maw on August 05, 2012, 04:56:22 PM
USA defense was horrendous. Also, Kobe has been pretty much worthless the entire Olympics + Exhibitions.

Kobe is pounding ass all over London, get off his case.

that, and supporting every other olympic sport. seriously, recording them all with his iphone with a leopard print case. HES EVERYWHERE, except the court.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 05, 2012, 09:37:07 PM
Btw, who's responsible for getting our athletes tix to sporting events? Kobe and his leopard phone were in the rafters for yesterday's swimming action.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: 3maw on August 05, 2012, 10:02:41 PM
exactly what i'm talking about. kobe doesn't have a baby sitter i guess?

lol, its london. home of the nannies.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 05, 2012, 10:28:35 PM
Kobe haters can kiss my be-hind buster. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 05, 2012, 10:38:27 PM
There are no Kobe haters in this thread.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Cartierfor3 on August 05, 2012, 10:51:30 PM
There are no Kobe haters in this thread.

Anyone who calls Kobe worthless is a hater hemmy.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 05, 2012, 10:57:10 PM
There are no Kobe haters in this thread.

Anyone who calls Kobe worthless is a hater hemmy.

Worthless post.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2012, 08:14:08 AM
I don't know what you guys are expecting from Kobe. He's very old. Just let him enjoy his olympics. He won't be around for the next one.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 06, 2012, 08:17:26 AM
I don't know what you guys are expecting from Kobe. He's very old. Just let him enjoy his olympics. He won't be around for the next one.

He had a good NBA season, better than last year. And he got some super secret treatment in Germany to restore his youth.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on August 06, 2012, 04:56:50 PM
They must play alot of AAU Basketball in Argentina.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 06, 2012, 05:11:18 PM
They must play alot of AAU Basketball in Argentina.

Argentina would beat Dream Team by double digits.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 06, 2012, 05:16:02 PM
Do only 3 Argentines play in the NBA?  Yes. 

But, these guys have played more hours of basketball at their age than any three of the dream team.

wouldn't be close.  Argentina by 30 over slow olds.   
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:21:18 PM
They must play alot of AAU Basketball in Argentina.

Argentina would beat Dream Team by double digits.

Yeah, they would
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on August 06, 2012, 05:26:19 PM
Amateuro Athletico Uniono where near dream teamers are born.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:28:42 PM
there are currently 7 players on the court better than anyone on the original dream team in their prime
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 06, 2012, 05:33:46 PM
there are currently 7 players on the court better than anyone on the original dream team in their prime

 :flush:
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:34:26 PM
Durant, holy crap
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on August 06, 2012, 05:38:23 PM
Did you see that move by Marcos Mata?  He must have learned that while playing for Bomba 'n Ejecutar.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:39:44 PM
lol, this is great
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on August 06, 2012, 05:45:15 PM
omg Westbrook's dunk
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:46:33 PM
This is a fantastic show. Westbrook, wow. He is freakish athletic.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 05:50:30 PM
Davis is going to be a great pro
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: EllToPay on August 06, 2012, 06:25:01 PM
My god, Doug Gottlieb is slapping the 92 dream team with his dick right now. :love:
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 06, 2012, 06:42:36 PM
My god, Doug Gottlieb is slapping the 92 dream team with his dick right now. :love:

Yes, he is clowning fools
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 06, 2012, 08:32:36 PM
I love watching the replays without the commentary. After every rebound Carmelo yells "Get the eff out of here"
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 06, 2012, 08:46:50 PM
FIBA refs are just awful.  They don't really understand basketball.  Like, I think they know the rules, but they don't understand the game.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 06, 2012, 09:35:18 PM
there are currently 7 players on the court better than anyone on the original dream team in their prime

Jordan might have gotten minutes for Lithuania. Probably not enough AAU ball, though. 

Wouldn't even play JV for Argentina though.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 06, 2012, 11:16:34 PM
Why is everybody caught up in who would win between '92 Dream Team and Argentina? The important thing is that the US won guys, and of course the '92 Dream Team would slaughter Argentina. They are still Americans, and that's what Americans do in Olympic basketball.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 08:25:47 AM
My god, Doug Gottlieb is slapping the 92 dream team with his dick right now. :love:

twitter was so great yesterday, the "dream team" apologists started to celebrate when the game was close and then USA started to crush them in hilariously fun fashion and Doug started spitting hot knowledge at the '92 fanboys  :lol: 

It also proves he reads goEMAW as he was parroting a lot of the stuff we've been talking about.   :gocho:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 08:29:14 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 07, 2012, 08:36:41 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.

yeah, "fans" that hope their team fails so they can be proven right are total d-bags.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: nicname on August 07, 2012, 08:41:48 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.

I want them to win, and they most assuredly will win.  I'm not convinced that they win a 7-game series against the original team though.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 08:56:39 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.

I want them to win, and they most assuredly will win.  I'm not convinced that they win a 7-game series against the original team though.

That's fine, and there are plenty of reasons to debate which olympic team is better. Just make sure you don't show up on twitter with this talk when team USA is struggling and then disappear when they start rolling.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on August 07, 2012, 09:02:20 AM
Good to see USA fall back on their AAU experience and blow the game open in the second half.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: nicname on August 07, 2012, 09:05:41 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.

I want them to win, and they most assuredly will win.  I'm not convinced that they win a 7-game series against the original team though.

That's fine, and there are plenty of reasons to debate which olympic team is better. Just make sure you don't show up on twitter with this talk when team USA is struggling and then disappear when they start rolling.

Yeah, that's probably not going to happen.  I'm not even saying the 92 squad is better.  I think it would be a close series.  I think the collection of players on the original team is better, but the 12 team is built more like a team with role players, etc. and also doesn't have a bunch of old dudes.  Kobe is older but still pretty good.

I don't buy into the crap that a prime Bird or Magic couldn't play with the guys today.  They would both be match-up nightmares for the 12 squad, but they were old and crusty by 92. 

I think the brute strength of a Chuck Daly coached 92 vs. the athleticism and cohesiveness of a Coach K led 12 with the athletic length they have would be tremendous.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 09:22:50 AM
Good to see USA fall back on their AAU experience and blow the game open in the second half.

you did some good first half partying fedor :lol:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 07, 2012, 09:48:05 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Fedor on August 07, 2012, 09:52:50 AM
Good to see USA fall back on their AAU experience and blow the game open in the second half.

you did some good first half partying fedor :lol:
pffft, you will never find a bigger pro-USA jingoist than me.  I chant U-S-A during my morning grooming.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 10:35:36 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 07, 2012, 10:45:56 AM

yeah, "fans" that hope their team fails so they can be proven right are total d-bags.


Kind of like those openly campaigning against oscar Weber? 

And, for the record, I'm just having fun with the '92 dream team stuff.  I hope the '12 team absolutely kicks the crap out of all opponents.  I'm especially looking forward to a clown suiting of China, though I'm not sure if we'll meet. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 10:53:08 AM
The only team that even scares me a little bit from here on out is Spain. China finished dead last in Group B, so we will not be playing them, Belvis. Really, I doubt we win by less than 20 from here on out. It feels pretty good.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 10:55:53 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 07, 2012, 11:06:07 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on August 07, 2012, 11:09:31 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
AAU
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on August 07, 2012, 11:14:32 AM
For the most part, the '92 Dream team supporters are the most annoying. They are openly rooting against the USA just so they can say the '92 team was better. These people all deserve a thorough ass kicking.

yeah, "fans" that hope their team fails so they can be proven right are total d-bags.

hey man i went to the practice and boo'd our team LMAO :lol:  :flush:

nazi.   LOOOOLLLLL.  :flush:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 07, 2012, 11:15:58 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
AAU

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 11:30:51 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
AAU

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.

I agree that Spain could win a game, but I think a 7 game series would be asking too much. Spain would dominate the paint, but their guard play just isn't good enough.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 07, 2012, 11:33:21 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
AAU

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.

I agree that Spain could win a game, but I think a 7 game series would be asking too much. Spain would dominate the paint, but their guard play just isn't good enough.

rubio and fernandez would be more than capable of winning the guard battle.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 07, 2012, 11:36:16 AM
Heard a line from Coach K this morning about how he thinks that shutting down teams is dead irregardless of the defense played by any team. Seems pretty spot on. Just too much talent out on the floor now.

those guys in 92 that had never played basketball before in their lives were just as talented as today's international player who plays professionally for millions of dollars asava.

The level of these international teams is definitely better than it used to be, but there still is not a single olympic team, other than the US of course, who would win a best of 7 series against the Charlotte Bobcats.

bullshit. the bobcats are horrible.
AAU

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.

I agree that Spain could win a game, but I think a 7 game series would be asking too much. Spain would dominate the paint, but their guard play just isn't good enough.

rubio and fernandez would be more than capable of winning the guard battle.

Rubio is good and Fernandez is not, but he's okay I guess. Still, do you expect Rubio, Fernandez, and Gasol x2 to play every minute of every game? They have absolutely nothing beyond that.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Belvis Noland on August 07, 2012, 11:38:51 AM

spain would win easily against the bobcats.


No. 

Can we all take our Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) hats off for one minute and agree the NBA is where the best internationals play.  Spaniards playing for FC Barcelona, Real Madrid, Valencia, etc. simply aren't good enough to play in the NBA.  So, with that in mind...

Spain has 4-5 NBA players, 2-3 guys who briefly played in the NBA and couldn't hack it, and 5-6 guys who simply aren't good enough. 

The Bobcats have 18 NBA players.   

case closed.   
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on August 07, 2012, 11:40:56 AM

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.
AAU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argentina Youth Squads
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 07, 2012, 11:43:15 AM

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.
AAU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argentina Youth Squads

both are amazing in terms of developing talent from a young age. both are huge now compared to '92 when one existed at a fraction of it's current scope and one didn't exist. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 07, 2012, 12:40:16 PM

argentina has youth squads as well. spain would win easily against the bobcats.
AAU >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Argentina Youth Squads

no fight there. at all. but they do have some pretty good players.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Underdog Wildcat on August 07, 2012, 02:58:47 PM
Hey, I was noticing a lot of AAU love in this thread, so I figured I'd join in, Top 25 AAU teams in the country linked below and the #1 team ... isn't even from this country.

How bout those Mokanr's though?!

http://fivestarbasketball.com/top25/126-17U-2012-08-01
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: slobber on August 07, 2012, 03:00:48 PM
Hey, I was noticing a lot of AAU love in this thread, so I figured I'd join in, Top 25 AAU teams in the country linked below and the #1 team ... isn't even from this country.

How bout those Mokanr's though?!

http://fivestarbasketball.com/top25/126-17U-2012-08-01
Each 1 Teach 1
That sounds like a Webster team. He should be recruiting from that team.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Underdog Wildcat on August 07, 2012, 03:07:19 PM
Hey, I was noticing a lot of AAU love in this thread, so I figured I'd join in, Top 25 AAU teams in the country linked below and the #1 team ... isn't even from this country.

How bout those Mokanr's though?!

http://fivestarbasketball.com/top25/126-17U-2012-08-01
Each 1 Teach 1
That sounds like a Webster team. He should be recruiting from that team.

That's no junk, Joel Berry('14) was recently offered by Duke and UNC. Doug Brooks and Chris Perry can also ball at the high major level.

So yeah, I frickin wish.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 07, 2012, 07:43:33 PM
http://www.nbcolympics.com/video/basketball/mens-group-a-argentina-vs-united-states.html at 1:21:19 conversation at the free throw line between Durant and Carmelo:

(Context: Getting the rebound)

Absolute gold, you will be doing yourself a favor to listen.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: yoga-like_abana on August 07, 2012, 07:57:28 PM
Who the eff is going to guard Maric?!
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 07, 2012, 08:02:20 PM
Sasha Kahn will be a handful, lots of AAU experience.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: ednksu on August 08, 2012, 05:36:34 PM
these refs are rough ridin' trash
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: ednksu on August 08, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
LBJ with a triple double
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 08, 2012, 07:45:08 PM
http://www.foxsports.com.au/olympic-games/confidential/stephanie-rice-spotted-with-kobe-bryant-at-velodrome/story-fnd7za3a-1226445510083
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: mancattanite on August 08, 2012, 11:20:24 PM
This thread is ridiculous.  :facepalm:

It doesn't matter if '92 or '12 would win.

The only reason anybody today is as good as they are is because of the guys of yesterday.  Without them, nobody had a standard to reach for. Across the board, the athletes of today are better than the athletes of yesterday. It's called human progression.

And as for players today playing more... you need to look back at how hard MJ practiced. I don't care if he didn't play AAU. He had his head on right. He knew how to work. And work he did.

Man alive... I love basketball.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 08, 2012, 11:25:25 PM
Good post, mancattanite. :thumbs:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: mancattanite on August 08, 2012, 11:32:01 PM
On a different note... have we ever had any Team USA basketball players from K-State? In other words, have we ever had any gold medalists in basketball? It would seem like Bob Boozer would have been back in the day... Ernie Barrett maybe? Mitch Richmond?
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: joda on August 09, 2012, 12:20:42 AM
On a different note... have we ever had any Team USA basketball players from K-State? In other words, have we ever had any gold medalists in basketball? It would seem like Bob Boozer would have been back in the day... Ernie Barrett maybe? Mitch Richmond?

I know Richmond won gold in '96 and I think he was on the last "college" team in '88 that took bronze. Don't know about Boozer/Barrett.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: michigancat on August 09, 2012, 12:44:49 AM
do you guys rough ridin' have google?
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: nicname on August 09, 2012, 12:53:18 AM
just boozer
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: mancattanite on August 09, 2012, 01:18:03 AM
do you guys rough ridin' have google?

Nope, sure don't, but I took a look in my Encyclopedia Catannica and found out that Bob Boozer was on the 1960 Olympic team that won gold and that Mitch Richmond was on the 1988 and 1996 teams that won bronze and gold, respectively.  :users:
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: asava on August 09, 2012, 09:37:05 AM
these refs are rough ridin' trash

seriously some of the worst officiating i've seen.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: doom on August 09, 2012, 01:09:07 PM
just boozer

Quote
Richmond was selected to the United States' Olympic team (Dream Team III), earning a gold medal in Atlanta.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: joda on August 09, 2012, 08:50:04 PM
do you guys rough ridin' have google?

Yes I do, but since I don't give a eff I just replied with what I knew.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: CHONGS on August 09, 2012, 08:54:22 PM
I think everyone has google if they want it.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2012, 10:44:51 AM
Kim English ?@Englishscope24
Come on Fiba. Referees in the Gold medal game names are Julio Rodriguez, Pablo Gutierrez, and Juan Amelio.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 12, 2012, 11:21:22 AM
Gasol is just so stinky looking
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2012, 11:25:04 AM
Pheremonerific
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: nicname on August 12, 2012, 11:40:55 AM
Spain just lost the game sitting Gasol x2 to start the fourth.

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: nicname on August 12, 2012, 11:55:08 AM
People are going to have to get used to Lebron.  He's the man.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2012, 11:55:23 AM
Lebron is disrespecting Spain.  ridiculous.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 12, 2012, 12:01:47 PM
Lebron just completed the best basketball year ever. NBA MVP, title, finals MVP & gold medal.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: 'taterblast on August 12, 2012, 12:05:27 PM
the finals should have done this already but i hope this seals the deal in making people shut their fat faces about talking crap on lebron
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 12, 2012, 12:10:05 PM
Lebron just completed the best basketball year ever. NBA MVP, title, finals MVP & gold medal.

Michael Jordan did the exact same thing in '92, FWIW.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: puniraptor on August 12, 2012, 12:10:27 PM
Looks like a lot of fun for NBA players in Olympics. Just doing what you love with your pals without stressing about contracts and trade value and gettin paper etc. Just good clean fun.
Title: USA Basketball
Post by: LickNeckey on August 12, 2012, 12:11:24 PM
I love the fact that most people seem to hate him because he said he was going to Miami on tv.  An event that raised 2.5 million for the Boys and Girls Club.

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: 8manpick on August 12, 2012, 12:17:31 PM
What a fun team.  Love watching Doc talk about the team he is going to be coaching at the next world championships.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: kim carnes on August 12, 2012, 12:21:36 PM
lebron is the perfect human being
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 12, 2012, 12:29:17 PM
I bet the Spain players all cried.   Lol
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: chum1 on August 12, 2012, 12:34:11 PM
I didn't watch any basketball.  eff these millionaires.  The gold medal means nothing to them.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 12, 2012, 02:51:45 PM
Watching them celebrate is just so adorable. Look at how happy they are.

BTW, I would love to smash Rudy Fernandez in the face with my fist. Hate that guy.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: hemmy on August 12, 2012, 02:53:06 PM
Spain fouled pretty much any time there was a hint of a fast break, such bullshit.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: WillieWatanabe on August 12, 2012, 05:09:25 PM
Kim English ?@Englishscope24
Come on Fiba. Referees in the Gold medal game names are Julio Rodriguez, Pablo Gutierrez, and Juan Amelio.

:dunno:


I love the fact that most people seem to hate him because he said he was going to Miami on tv.  An event that raised 2.5 million for the Boys and Girls Club.



yes, and i'll still hate him for that. he's good at basketball though.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: ednksu on August 12, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
Hey America,

eff yeah
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: felix rex on August 13, 2012, 02:56:00 AM
Lebron just completed the best basketball year ever. NBA MVP, title, finals MVP & gold medal.

people will be talking about this for decades. And rightfully so.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on August 13, 2012, 08:57:40 AM
What a fun team.  Love watching Doc talk about the team he is going to be coaching at the next world championships.

I cannot think of a more adorable coach in any sport. What a fascinating, wonderful human being.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 13, 2012, 10:45:56 AM
I love the fact that most people seem to hate him because he said he was going to Miami on tv.  An event that raised 2.5 million for the Boys and Girls Club.

I don't like him much, but "the decision" is by far my favorite thing about him. I loved that.
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2012, 10:47:17 AM
I liked when lebron dumped the two water bottles on coach k and then they hugged and almost kissed  :D
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2012, 01:39:23 PM
oh man, anyone but me notice the players all changed shoes before coming back to the metal stand and put on the just released (and subsequently sold out in less than an hour) nike af1 nrg's?  oh man. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2012, 01:41:56 PM
oh man, anyone but me notice the players all changed shoes before coming back to the metal stand and put on the just released (and subsequently sold out in less than an hour) nike af1 nrg's?  oh man.

no. but I never look at anyone's athletic shoes unless they are really shiny or something. 
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2012, 01:43:40 PM
welp, these shoes are nicknamed metal stands so you do the math.

Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: _33 on August 13, 2012, 01:46:16 PM
medal
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: steve dave on August 13, 2012, 01:49:26 PM
oh man, anyone but me notice the players all changed shoes before coming back to the metal stand and put on the just released (and subsequently sold out in less than an hour) nike af1 nrg's?  oh man.

no. but I never look at anyone's athletic shoes unless they are really shiny or something.

or if their shoe is untied
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: pissclams on August 13, 2012, 01:58:35 PM
welp, these shoes are nicknamed metal stands so you do the math.



ya that
Title: Re: USA Basketball
Post by: Trim on August 16, 2012, 09:55:15 PM
http://espn.go.com/blog/playbook/tech/post/_/id/1734/how-nba-2k-can-use-its-team-usa-license#more

:love: