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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: gatoveintisiete on January 14, 2012, 02:55:13 PM
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rough ridin' hate it when he does this :bang:
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not a martin being martin game. i wish it was. it was a kstate bball team being crap game.
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Little bit of both.
1st half our offense looked awful and out of sync.... our TOs set up OU for some easy possessions (thus the 38 pts)
Sprads was not playing good. When we took him out it even got worse since Frank was not going to play Angel today (8 poss. with Sprads out of game - 2 pts 3 TOs)
2nd half. Our defense was just absolutely terrible. We played small the whole half. OUs bigs just had their way. The only bright spot in the 1st half, Jones, was on the bench almost the whole 2nd half.
Pathetic........ both coaching and play of our players
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not a martin being martin game. i wish it was. it was a kstate bball team being crap game.
respectfully, yes it was, didn't play angel, diaz, or gip and tay very much, probably to teach some lesson in the middle of the conference season, then chases a Krueger team around making what they do even easier.
We needed stops from 10 minutes left in first half on, and we freak out, chase and get out of position the rest of the game. Left Jamar in with foul trouble so he starts playing soft around the bucket. This was totally a "I'm mad at you 3 on the bench, you are going to cost us the game because I won't play you, sit back and watch us lose, bullshit lesson"
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Frank got clownsuited today on every level.
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Frank got clownsuited today on every level.
dax's world, where every loss proves a coach outcoached, a player stupid, and backup quarterback to have been better than the starter.
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Lon owns Frank
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Frank got clownsuited today on every level.
dax's world, where every loss proves a coach outcoached, a player stupid, and backup quarterback to have been better than the starter.
as much as I do the over-generalization I have to agree.
Offensive game plan for OU exploited our over willingess to over peruse everything like a dog chasing its tail. Our defense was atrocious at all levels. Bigs out of position, guards who couldn't keep a tree in front of them and horrible personnel changes. Our offense did nothing to get the ball inside or encourage our shooters to take reasonable shots. Frank's MOVE to anyone in voice range doesn't stimulate anything. Either we don't know the plays called or we don't know how to adjust the plays to the defense. Either way its on the coaches.
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Frank got clownsuited today on every level.
dax's world, where every loss proves a coach outcoached, a player stupid, and backup quarterback to have been better than the starter.
sysfrankworld: It's always the players fault.
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I don't get it, whenever Jones is doing it it seems like Martin just sits him. I pisses me off
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Disregard that last post. Stupid me. Forgot about the ankle
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I think it was a Frank being Frank game. And I think it started in Wednesday. Five players running steps? Really?
How in the hell do you practice with that going on?
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Either way its on the coaches.
ultimately everything is on the coaches. i don't object to blaming them, i object to the knee-jerking, reactionary way of allocating blame.
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I object to the knee jerk reactionary ways of always tossing the players under the bus. Yeah, they stunk, and it's the guy making $1.8 million dollars this year job to make sure they don't stink.
Lazy tired defense sure, but OU made sure they took advantage of every weakness that K-State has on defense, over play, run to the ball, $hit on ball defense at the guard position except for maybe Tay . . . toss in Frank being Frank and you have a day like today.
Plus, and while I'll defer to Jeff Capel and his "recruiting" it is kind of sad that we're in Year 5 of the Frank Martin, and yet teams like OU have equal to, if not better talent than K-State and they've not been very good and had all kinds of upheaval in that program. But hey, it's all about the "right fit".
Sad
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Either way its on the coaches.
ultimately everything is on the coaches. i don't object to blaming them, i object to the knee-jerking, reactionary way of allocating blame.
I would disagree to a certain degree. The Baylor game is the freshest example to counter point. There I think you could say players lost that game as much as you could blame it on Frank. As much as I put it on him for that one, I think a legit argument could be made the other way. Angel blowing a wide open lay up, Sprads not taking the inbounds pass at the end, over helping on D all night. There are various arguments.
I think the most worry some part of all our losses are horrid coaching decisions which kill momentum (zone today and @ KU for wide open 3s), unexplainable coaching personnel decisions and worst of all ZERO player development, particularly with our post players who are still making freshmen mistakes and moves.
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what teams are we more talented than?
Tech
who else? maybe ISU.
I guess you might say OU, but I mean, Pledger = McGruds.
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Pledger = McGruds.
Really?
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Pledger = McGruds.
Really?
umm, yes.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder)
also, Fitzgerald is a 4* , so is cameron clark.
actually, OU is more talented.
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what teams are we more talented than?
Tech
who else? maybe ISU.
I guess you might say OU, but I mean, Pledger = McGruds.
KU, Okst, Mizzou, ISU, A&M, OU, Tech
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Pledger = McGruds.
Really?
umm, yes.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder)
also, Fitzgerald is a 4* , so is cameron clark.
actually, OU is more talented.
I wasn't being sarcastic. I know nothing about OU basketball this year.
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horrid coaching decisions which kill momentum (zone today).
this is what i mean. i mean, did you see how bad kstate's man was? how could you possibly object to playing zone? there is no way it could be worse. so they hit a 3 right after, that doesn't mean anything, they were scoring at will against the man.
it's just mindless knee-jerking.
oh, and we never had momentum.
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Kind of assume Angel is going to get Asprillaed.
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I object to the knee jerk reactionary ways of always tossing the players under the bus. Yeah, they stunk, and it's the guy making $1.8 million dollars this year job to make sure they don't stink.
Lazy tired defense sure, but OU made sure they took advantage of every weakness that K-State has on defense, over play, run to the ball, $hit on ball defense at the guard position except for maybe Tay . . . toss in Frank being Frank and you have a day like today.
Plus, and while I'll defer to Jeff Capel and his "recruiting" it is kind of sad that we're in Year 5 of the Frank Martin, and yet teams like OU have equal to, if not better talent than K-State and they've not been very good and had all kinds of upheaval in that program. But hey, it's all about the "right fit".
Sad
Have you rough ridin' watched OU this year? There are only 3 maybe 4 Big 12 level athletes on the roster, and there is no rough ridin' size. Pledger and Fitz can both score a little but they're flawed athletically. I would take KSU's roster over OU's everyday of the week.
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Have you rough ridin' watched OU this year? There are only 3 maybe 4 Big 12 level athletes on the roster, and there is no rough ridin' size. Pledger and Fitz can both score a little but they're flawed athletically. I would take KSU's roster over OU's everyday of the week.
we have a lot of stupid posters over here, shf.
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horrid coaching decisions which kill momentum (zone today).
this is what i mean. i mean, did you see how bad kstate's man was? how could you possibly object to playing zone? there is no way it could be worse. so they hit a 3 right after, that doesn't mean anything, they were scoring at will against the man.
it's just mindless knee-jerking.
oh, and we never had momentum.
disagree entirely
if i'm remembering correctly we switched to zone at 6:18 in the second half and the OU guy hit their 3.
Now if we look at the stats, its absurd to say we didn't have the momentum.
At 8:23 we were down 18 (69-51). Over the next two minutes we got the lead down to 8 with a 10-0 run. That is momentum in this league in an away game. To say otherwise is dishonest at best.
We were man D during that 2 minutes I believe and than left them wide open again for 3 to kill the run. It was a mirror image of our coaching staff failing us at KU with the same idiocy.
Linkage
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=320140201
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Either way its on the coaches.
ultimately everything is on the coaches. i don't object to blaming them, i object to the knee-jerking, reactionary way of allocating blame.
Here's the thing this week, we've seen Franking around at both extremes and its frustrating. First was the "throw the young guys out there in crunch time" (both Gip and Angel) and it backfires because both make critical mistakes. Then its "teach the young guys (and some old guys) a lesson by not letting them see the floor". This has usually happened against opponents that Frank clearly thinks we'll be fine against and sometimes it backfires like it did today.
I guess in these situations I'd much rather Frank not "tell the truth" (as he said in post game) and give us the accountability coaching line and just say (in both cases) "I didn't have the guys prepared to play". Because in many ways its true.
After the Baylor game I was fine with Martin doing his thing (throwing Angel/Gip out there) and living with it knowing that probably it helps the long run. It just gets annoying when in the same week he pulls the opposite and then Angel doesn't even see the floor. I get the "I've got to make a point about how your practice" talking point, but make it with a half, then get the guy back out there. We aren't in position to go out and lose games so Frank can make his points in January (again). I'm not saying that Frank is directly doing anything to lose games, but at some point he's got to check his ego (and his inability at times to keep his emotions in check) and make coaching decisions that both help his players AND his team win games. To me in the past week he hasn't done that and its cost us. The players have their fair share of responsibility, but I don't disagree with the daxpoint of Frank being the guy earning nealry 2 mil a year to win basketball games either.
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I object to the knee jerk reactionary ways of always tossing the players under the bus. Yeah, they stunk, and it's the guy making $1.8 million dollars this year job to make sure they don't stink.
Lazy tired defense sure, but OU made sure they took advantage of every weakness that K-State has on defense, over play, run to the ball, $hit on ball defense at the guard position except for maybe Tay . . . toss in Frank being Frank and you have a day like today.
Plus, and while I'll defer to Jeff Capel and his "recruiting" it is kind of sad that we're in Year 5 of the Frank Martin, and yet teams like OU have equal to, if not better talent than K-State and they've not been very good and had all kinds of upheaval in that program. But hey, it's all about the "right fit".
Sad
Have you rough ridin' watched OU this year? There are only 3 maybe 4 Big 12 level athletes on the roster, and there is no rough ridin' size. Pledger and Fitz can both score a little but they're flawed athletically. I would take KSU's roster over OU's everyday of the week.
i don't think running down OU's talent make's any case for wanting KSU's roster. And certainly not a case for KSU's roster given a coach that's been here for 5 years.
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My major problem today is that Frank continually preaches that we expect to win every game and then promptly players who can help you do that because someone pouts during practice. Of course Angel was pouting, he felt like he lost the game for his team on Tuesday night. This loss is on Frank and not for that coach-speak "I didn't have them prepared" BS. Leave that to Todd Haley, Frank, and quit mind-f'ing your team.
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"This either gets your attention and makes you get stuff right or it makes you pack your bags and go home."
so, so old. :jerk: buy a mirror, frank. or get less of them.
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horrid coaching decisions which kill momentum (zone today).
this is what i mean. i mean, did you see how bad kstate's man was? how could you possibly object to playing zone? there is no way it could be worse. so they hit a 3 right after, that doesn't mean anything, they were scoring at will against the man.
it's just mindless knee-jerking.
oh, and we never had momentum.
disagree entirely
if i'm remembering correctly we switched to zone at 6:18 in the second half and the OU guy hit their 3.
Now if we look at the stats, its absurd to say we didn't have the momentum.
At 8:23 we were down 18 (69-51). Over the next two minutes we got the lead down to 8 with a 10-0 run. That is momentum in this league in an away game. To say otherwise is dishonest at best.
We were man D during that 2 minutes I believe and than left them wide open again for 3 to kill the run. It was a mirror image of our coaching staff failing us at KU with the same idiocy.
Linkage
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/playbyplay?gameId=320140201
I completely agree. There were timeouts that we came out of and threw the ball away and Oklahoma took advantage. It seemed like every time we got momentum it was taken away pretty fast.
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Angel will probably transfer.
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Angel will probably transfer.
Would be a disaster
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Ref: "Coach you've only got 4 players on the floor...you need to sub someone in"
Frank: "My teams on the floor"
like it or not, that's Franks way of coaching. I actually like it and although it may cost us a game or two, by the end of the season we are a better team. The reality is that this team is VERY young and lessons need to be taught NOW. I hated losing today, but OU played lights out (Alexander and Osby 15-18 fg and 9-10 ft...are you kidding me?) and we still had a chance late to make it a game. Loved the fire. As long as we are becoming a better team, I have no issue with Franks methods.
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We will lose at least one Scholarship player by the end of the season. I just know it.
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Angel is not a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), why you retards think he will transfer like one is beyond me.
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Over the next two minutes we got the lead down to 8 with a 10-0 run. That is momentum in this league in an away game. To say otherwise is dishonest at best.
the defense was horrible during that "run". ou just missed open shots. that's not a sustainable way to take momentum, cut a deficit or win a game.
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Here's the thing this week, we've seen Franking around at both extremes and its frustrating. First was the "throw the young guys out there in crunch time" (both Gip and Angel) and it backfires because both make critical mistakes. Then its "teach the young guys (and some old guys) a lesson by not letting them see the floor". This has usually happened against opponents thatFrank clearly thinks we'll be fine against and sometimes it backfires like it did today.
_fan, the problem with pointing a finger at either is that neither was that important. ar-t and gipson weren't the reason they lost against baylor - the entire team, including veterans was unable to control the ball, and to a lesser extent, defend. to blame ar-t or gipson or to blame martin for playing them is ludicrous. those aren't the guys primarily responsible for winning or losing games this season.
to blame martin for not playing ar-t at ou is even worse. kstate didn't lose because they didn't have ar-t, and he sure as hell wasn't going to come in and fix the problem of 10 guys not being able to defend.
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Here's the thing this week, we've seen Franking around at both extremes and its frustrating. First was the "throw the young guys out there in crunch time" (both Gip and Angel) and it backfires because both make critical mistakes. Then its "teach the young guys (and some old guys) a lesson by not letting them see the floor". This has usually happened against opponents thatFrank clearly thinks we'll be fine against and sometimes it backfires like it did today.
_fan, the problem with pointing a finger at either is that neither was that important. ar-t and gipson weren't the reason they lost against baylor - the entire team, including veterans was unable to control the ball, and to a lesser extent, defend. to blame ar-t or gipson or to blame martin for playing them is ludicrous. those aren't the guys primarily responsible for winning or losing games this season.
to blame martin for not playing ar-t at ou is even worse. kstate didn't lose because they didn't have ar-t, and he sure as hell wasn't going to come in and fix the problem of 10 guys not being able to defend.
I am not and never have been a person that blames one thing for a loss. Neither of these were the sole reason we lost either game, far from it. However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
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However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
his role in the losses was his inability to better prepare the team to defend and limit turnovers. his in game decisions had nothing to do with losing.
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I think everytime Frank has gone to a zone so far in conference it has been fantastic coaching, and clearly the players didn't execute.
It's all on the players, never on Frank once the whistle blows.
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We lost Tuesday to a top-5 team by 2. Why the over-reaction. Sure we made mistakes, but . . .
Correct those and move on, don't tear it apart again.
But it's like every season has to be Frank's rags to riches to rags t riches autobiography.
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However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
his role in the losses was his inability to better prepare the team to defend and limit turnovers. his in game decisions had nothing to do with losing.
That's the larger role, but I don't agree that personnel decisions in games are meaningless.
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However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
his role in the losses was his inability to better prepare the team to defend and limit turnovers. his in game decisions had nothing to do with losing.
:lol:
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Over the next two minutes we got the lead down to 8 with a 10-0 run. That is momentum in this league in an away game. To say otherwise is dishonest at best.
the defense was horrible during that "run". ou just missed open shots. that's not a sustainable way to take momentum, cut a deficit or win a game.
this is the problem with trying to have a conversation with people like You and MIR. You get proved wrong and your only retort is to say what is dramatically proven and destroy's your position isn't what it actually was/is.
10-0 run where our absolutely PATHETIC offense was hitting ANYTHING is momentum. Note how right after that we went ICE COLD again, just like the other 35 minutes of the game where we couldn't hit a shot. We cut a massive deficit by more than half. Its the exact same thing from the KU game, massive deficit, KU back on heels, we're in the game, and crap in game coaching costs us the momentum. I'll wait for you to tell me that run @ ku wasn't momentum either.
Like I said, dishonest at best, at worse out right lie or lower than low BBIQ.
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However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
his role in the losses was his inability to better prepare the team to defend and limit turnovers. his in game decisions had nothing to do with losing.
preparing your team and the ability to adjust during games are, like, huge f'ing things on the coaching to do list. maybe if players didn't spend time running stairs instead of practicing they would have been better prepared? I mean if 5 players lost that much practice time, then it's on frank. he has to be able to find other ways to get his point across. christ, how do you even practice with 8 players?
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Victor Ojele was teaching a lot of important lessons on the court today. Hopefully Angel Rodriguez was taking notes.
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Pledger = McGruds.
Really?
umm, yes.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder (http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=steven-pledger&p1=rodney-mcgruder)
also, Fitzgerald is a 4* , so is cameron clark.
actually, OU is more talented.
And Osby was top 50.
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Victor Ojele was teaching a lot of important lessons on the court today. Hopefully Angel Rodriguez was taking notes.
After Semi commits to Wisconsin, I hope we kick Victor off the damn team.
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However, I also will not excuse Martin's role, and I suppose I was hoping by year four he would have started to figure out some better methods to get his lessons taught, especially by the time league play roles around.
his role in the losses was his inability to better prepare the team to defend and limit turnovers. his in game decisions had nothing to do with losing.
That's the larger role, but I don't agree that personnel decisions in games are meaningless.
They balance out over the season. (even if you could definitively say they make a difference.)
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Victor Ojele was teaching a lot of important lessons on the court today. Hopefully Angel Rodriguez was taking notes.
After Semi commits to Wisconsin, I hope we kick Victor off the damn team.
We need Victor to deliver our in game punishments to our good players. Who else will Frank rely on?
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preparing your team and the ability to adjust during games are, like, huge f'ing things on the coaching to do list.
yeah, i agree.
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this is the problem with trying to have a conversation with people like You and MIR. You get proved wrong and your only retort is to say what is dramatically proven and destroy's your position isn't what it actually was/is.
10-0 run where our absolutely PATHETIC offense was hitting ANYTHING is momentum. Note how right after that we went ICE COLD again, just like the other 35 minutes of the game where we couldn't hit a shot. We cut a massive deficit by more than half. Its the exact same thing from the KU game, massive deficit, KU back on heels, we're in the game, and crap in game coaching costs us the momentum. I'll wait for you to tell me that run @ ku wasn't momentum either.
Like I said, dishonest at best, at worse out right lie or lower than low BBIQ.
you're such a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i´ve got to learn to stop treating your posts seriously.
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this is the problem with trying to have a conversation with people like You and MIR. You get proved wrong and your only retort is to say what is dramatically proven and destroy's your position isn't what it actually was/is.
10-0 run where our absolutely PATHETIC offense was hitting ANYTHING is momentum. Note how right after that we went ICE COLD again, just like the other 35 minutes of the game where we couldn't hit a shot. We cut a massive deficit by more than half. Its the exact same thing from the KU game, massive deficit, KU back on heels, we're in the game, and crap in game coaching costs us the momentum. I'll wait for you to tell me that run @ ku wasn't momentum either.
Like I said, dishonest at best, at worse out right lie or lower than low BBIQ.
you're such a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). i´ve got to learn to stop treating your posts seriously.
dude post something to refute me and quit being such a whiny bitch when you are proved wrong. Its not hard to have a conversation. You look like a rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) when you say a 10-0 run on the road isn't momentum. Go back to chest thumping.
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it wasn't momentum, you rough ridin' tard. it was just a random stretch where ou missed a couple of open js. leads fluctuate, js falling is like flipping a coin, and over the course of a game, you'll get 3 or 4 tails in a row. if you have eyes, and can see that the team down by 18-10 points is still playing crap d, then you know that there is no chance that they're coming back. because 3 or 4 tails in a row is likely, but a 9-10 isn't.
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it wasn't momentum, you rough ridin' tard. it was just a random stretch where ou missed a couple of open js. leads fluctuate, js falling is like flipping a coin, and over the course of a game, you'll get 3 or 4 tails in a row. if you have eyes, and can see that the team down by 18-10 points is still playing crap d, then you know that there is no chance that they're coming back. because 3 or 4 tails in a row is likely, but a 9-10 isn't.
aside from the insult that is what I was looking for from the very rough ridin' beginning.
At what point do you say we have momentum? A 10-0 run in this league on the road is big. So are you telling me that today we never had the momentum? I don't see how you can say that. The game was clearly changing at that 8-6 time. We were actually hitting shots, after that we went ice cold again. Sure OU was missing shots, I don't see how we can ignore our 'defense' or at the very least say we weren't rebounding better at that point.
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At what point do you say we have momentum? A 10-0 run in this league on the road is big. So are you telling me that today we never had the momentum? I don't see how you can say that. The game was clearly changing at that 8-6 time. We were actually hitting shots, after that we went ice cold again. Sure OU was missing shots, I don't see how we can ignore our 'defense' or at the very least say we weren't rebounding better at that point.
we hit shots and rebounded all through the 2nd half. the problem was we couldn't defend. i say we did not have any momentum because when i was watching the game i had no sense that anything had changed or that kstate had any chance to win the game.
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At what point do you say we have momentum? A 10-0 run in this league on the road is big. So are you telling me that today we never had the momentum? I don't see how you can say that. The game was clearly changing at that 8-6 time. We were actually hitting shots, after that we went ice cold again. Sure OU was missing shots, I don't see how we can ignore our 'defense' or at the very least say we weren't rebounding better at that point.
we hit shots and rebounded all through the 2nd half. the problem was we couldn't defend. i say we did not have any momentum because when i was watching the game i had no sense that anything had changed or that kstate had any chance to win the game.
I was that way for the entire first half, especially 11 or 12 minute mark. when the lead got stretched out to near 20 I felt we were over. When they started to bring it back all the coaching cliches were hitting for us. Ball was coming off the rim right for rebounds, shots were falling that weren't before, guys had a bounce in their steps and most importantly OU couldn't hit a shot. Now I will grant they were still able to drive into the paint at will, showing our defense was not quality during that stretch. The thing that I feel supports my position is that after that switch to zone and 3 it was so similar to the KU game. We never got back into it, never had defensive stops, even if it was just them missing and us out rebounding them.
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Amazing you tards act so surprised.
Be happy Frank won't bend over for his players. He's going to make questionable decisions on the surface, but its better than going against his coaching philosophy. While the following seems inconsistent, why should Angel even have a chance if he has mumped up in practice. What point would that make? Submitting to the players a little here and there, eventually we'd have a nice SLTH on our hands. There isn't much margin for error, they have to be 100%, 100% of the time.
After the Baylor game I was fine with Martin doing his thing (throwing Angel/Gip out there) and living with it knowing that probably it helps the long run. It just gets annoying when in the same week he pulls the opposite and then Angel doesn't even see the floor. I get the "I've got to make a point about how your practice" talking point, but make it with a half, then get the guy back out there.
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Amazing you tards act so surprised.
Be happy Frank won't bend over for his players. He's going to make questionable decisions on the surface, but its better than going against his coaching philosophy. While the following seems inconsistent, why should Angel even have a chance if he has mumped up in practice. What point would that make? Submitting to the players a little here and there, eventually we'd have a nice SLTH on our hands. There isn't much margin for error, they have to be 100%, 100% of the time.
After the Baylor game I was fine with Martin doing his thing (throwing Angel/Gip out there) and living with it knowing that probably it helps the long run. It just gets annoying when in the same week he pulls the opposite and then Angel doesn't even see the floor. I get the "I've got to make a point about how your practice" talking point, but make it with a half, then get the guy back out there.
Now stunted is a true Frankite! You're 100% correct, I hate seeing Angelito benched though. I wonder what Jake would say that 08 Mizzou did for the rest of the season and his career?
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Amazing you tards act so surprised.
Be happy Frank won't bend over for his players. He's going to make questionable decisions on the surface, but its better than going against his coaching philosophy. While the following seems inconsistent, why should Angel even have a chance if he has mumped up in practice. What point would that make? Submitting to the players a little here and there, eventually we'd have a nice SLTH on our hands. There isn't much margin for error, they have to be 100%, 100% of the time.
After the Baylor game I was fine with Martin doing his thing (throwing Angel/Gip out there) and living with it knowing that probably it helps the long run. It just gets annoying when in the same week he pulls the opposite and then Angel doesn't even see the floor. I get the "I've got to make a point about how your practice" talking point, but make it with a half, then get the guy back out there.
Jfc. Wooly wasn't a piece of crap coach because he didn't bench larry reid, he was a piece of crap coach because the vest he could recruit was larry reid. Benching angel is fine if frank could land someone else besides will spradling or tay. Also, it's rough ridin' awful coaching/development if the only way you can prove a point is during games instead of practice.
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Jfc. Wooly wasn't a piece of crap coach because he didn't bench larry reid, he was a piece of crap coach because the vest he could recruit was larry reid. Benching angel is fine if frank could land someone else besides will spradling or tay. Also, it's rough ridin' awful coaching/development if the only way you can prove a point is during games instead of practice.
He wouldn't have the balls to bench Larry Reid. Its a powerful thing to be willing to lose games to prove a point. A 50/50 shot at whether Angel is awesome or quits is better than a mediocre Angel.
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Wooly benched Travis Reynolds to prove a point. Therefore, Frank = Wooly.
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Jfc. Wooly wasn't a piece of crap coach because he didn't bench larry reid, he was a piece of crap coach because the vest he could recruit was larry reid. Benching angel is fine if frank could land someone else besides will spradling or tay. Also, it's rough ridin' awful coaching/development if the only way you can prove a point is during games instead of practice.
He wouldn't have the balls to bench Larry Reid. Its a powerful thing to be willing to lose games to prove a point. A 50/50 shot at whether Angel is awesome or quits is better than a mediocre Angel.
It's not powerful, it's lazy, unimaginative coaching.
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24 hours later, proud of Frank, his highly mature form of discipline is going to pay off for these kids . . . it may not be tomorrow, or next week, but down the line . . . huge.
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all coaches bench players. it's really about the only weapon coaches have (but it's hugely powerful). martin just is a little more extreme than most.
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FYFM