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Help a LBBIQ poster out.
It feels like Rodney has played well in the sparing opportunities he has gotten. He doesn't always put up points, but at least he doesn't turn the ball over? He's shown some fantastic upside and relatively low mistakes, at least in my view. Does it really come down toe the Frank mantra of playing well in practice means more playing time?
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I was just about to start a thread similar to this.
I think it goes back to Frank's practice issue, which I think has some merit; however, we need Judge and McGruder to go to the next level this year. It's just like we needed Pullen to go to the next level the Beasley/Walker year. I didn't like how Frank handled Jake his freshman year because Jake was essentially our best guard that year, but Young and Stewart always got the minutes because they were 'safe' or more consistent, while Jake had the bigger upside. Just like Wally and Lou this year. We need Wally and Rodney to really be a real force come tourney time and I haven't always agreed with the minutes or lack there of they've gotten.
Besides, you can't tell me Beasley and Walker were always lights out in practice that year... yet do you think they're minutes were ever effected by it?
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Sad thing is I can see him (McGruder) and Judge playing inconsistent minutes next year as well. Purely from a speculation I wonder if he or Judge is considering transferring...
I can't say I know Frank on a personal level but I think it is safe to say he is a stubborn S.O.B. With that being said he sticks to an agenda which seems to be double edged sword.
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Sad thing is I can see him (McGruder) and Judge playing inconsistent minutes next year as well.
Not if they put in the time...McGruder for sure because he will be extremely important. Judge, maybe, if only because of the log jam down low.
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Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.
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Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.
I doubt it. If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after. I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play. If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up.
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Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.
I doubt it. If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after. I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play. If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up.
i doubt it. i bet everyone that didn't play at least 20 minutes last night and score in double figures most probs will transfer. it happens all the time in big time programs.
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frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense. not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.
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frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense. not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.
Probably both.
If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes. You can see the upside and potential. But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year. I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.
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frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense. not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.
Probably both.
If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes. You can see the upside and potential. But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year. I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.
i'm kind of hoping that he's used these last 7 games to teach the frosh the offense and rest them giving them a 2nd wind for the postseason. but i doubt the 2nd wind theory because of the instensity of the practices is probably more draining than playing in games.
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frank said in the post game that the frosh are idiots and don't know where to be on offense. not sure if he was generalizing for Wally's sake or if McGrud's is having issues as well.
Probably both.
If you look at the plays those guys make/made, its b/c they are great athletes. You can see the upside and potential. But clearly they have a lot to learn and can help in spots this year. I thought they both did a good job of giving us that last night, it was our front line players (Sut, CK, J-S) having poor games that really cost us.
Agreed. They're so much better athletes that it's easy for people to look passed the fact that they're not getting to the right place at the right time, within the offense. They both look more or less lost when they're away from the ball. They're not gonna get rewarded with mins if they're doing things the wrong way.
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Nick Russel, McGruder, Wally Judge. At least one of these guys will transfer. Hope it's just Nick.
I doubt it. If these guys are wise, and I think they are, they will see the minutes available to them next year and especially the year after. I think Frank is honest with these guys about why they do or don't play. If they accept that, then they'll be fine, and I think all these guys know what's up.
i doubt it. i bet everyone that didn't play at least 20 minutes last night and score in double figures most probs will transfer. it happens all the time in big time programs.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
:dunno: we do run set plays when they aren't in
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Easy Bob Knight
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Not hard guys.
I'll let it sink again . . . after 28 or so games (according to you guys) our Frosh still don't know what to do or where to go on offense (in Frank's highly simplistic system).
(again) Fascinating
Nice new talking point there dax.
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Well others serve them up . . . I run with them
Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??
I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.
All Frank said is we can't run as much of our offense with FR in there than without. This doesn't seem like a big deal to me and is pretty normal in sports. He never said they were inept or don't know anything about our offense, which is what you are making it sound like.
And I'd say they don't know as much b/c they don't get as many game reps or practice reps b/c the best players get those and they are worked in slowly as they pick it up. This doesn't seem unusual to me.
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frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry
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Well others serve them up . . . I run with them
Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??
I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.
This
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Not hard guys.
I'll let it sink again . . . after 28 or so games (according to you guys) our Frosh still don't know what to do or where to go on offense (in Frank's highly simplistic system).
(again) Fascinating
Fire Frank NOW! :dunno:
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frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry
Huge part of it. Their on ball defense isn't horrendous but you're not gonna get mins when the second the ball moves from your man you sit and stare from the outside looking in. It's not about effort, they crash the boards hard, esp Mcgruder, but you shouldn't be caught 15 ft from the basket every time a shot goes up.
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With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.
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Well others serve them up . . . I run with them
Anybody got an explanation as to why (supposedly) after 4 months and 28 or 29 games the frosh (supposedly) still don't know what to do out there??
I guess we really do need that basketball practice facility so frank can get out the sharpie and start marking up the floor.
What do YOU think the reason is? NO hedging please. tia
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With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.
yeah but it kinda hurts the team when you are running around doing your own thing and the rest of the team is running the offense.
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frank just doesn't want the frosh to get caught watchin' the paint dry
We're gonna run the picket fence at 'em!
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With not knowing what to do on offense, the freshmen put up better numbers than Colon, Dom.
yeah but it kinda hurts the team when you are running around doing your own thing and the rest of the team is running the offense.
You are right, they made some great athletic plays and they gave us what we need out of them.
But what should be clear after last night is that these two aren't quite ready to be major players yet. We need their spark off the bench, but when they are asked to make up for issues with Sutt/J-S/CK, its not going to be enough against a team the caliber of Kansas. Their good play last night should not make you think we need them more, it should make you realize how much we need the players that have played well (for the most part) all season to show up and play well. 8 points and 8 rebounds from those 3 is not going to get it done against many teams with a pulse.
Colon is a completely different matter IMO, but he had to play about 6-8 minutes more than he should b/c of the same issues.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
that's what Frank said
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Or John Calipari, right? :jerk:
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Or John Calipari, right? :jerk:
houston must be so boring.
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
Can't really argue with that. Frank had his reasons, but it would've made sense to get him a few more minutes in those games.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Or John Calipari, right? :jerk:
houston must be so boring.
Houston is nice. But I couldn't miss the meltdown around here.
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Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Kentucky?
I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but its not like playing freshman is an obvious mistake.
Edit: Sorry, I was should have kept reading.
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Houston is nice. But I couldn't miss the meltdown around here.
i think we actually meltdown better after close victories over nortards or noncons than ku losses. it's kinda pathetic.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Or John Calipari, right? :jerk:
houston must be so boring.
Houston is nice.
I don't know a single person that agrees with that.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Smooth offense is as much about feel as it is knowledge. Knowing where you and your teammates need to be/will be is not quite the same thing as feeling where and when they will be.
Once you reach that level of comfort with the set of guys that will be getting most of the minutes, you can anticipate some minor changes or reactions they will make. Makes for a better, smoother offense.
I think the Frosh are lacking this.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Smooth offense is as much about feel as it is knowledge. Knowing where you and your teammates need to be/will be is not quite the same thing as feeling where and when they will be.
Once you reach that level of comfort with the set of guys that will be getting most of the minutes, you can anticipate some minor changes or reactions they will make. Makes for a better, smoother offense.
I think the Frosh are lacking this.
Frank's offensive base is sets and then read and react to the defense off of those sets. It takes time and playing together a lot to get that.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory. admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory. admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.
sys knows me well. :blush:
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time. we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory. admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.
Small plug, but was there any discussion of this?
http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html (http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html)?
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What a bunch of bullshit in this thread. This is a LBBIQ topic. If you can't get on the floor for Frank, you suck. End of story.
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And the counter is . . . that's irrelevant.
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This is another place where the mafia references to Frank are appropriate; when it comes to PT for Frank, a big key is earning his trust.
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There's a lot more to an offense than just knowing how it works and where you need to be on the floor. Anyone can learn an offense, go through the motions, and be a robot. But, great offensive players know how to read screens and look for secondary options. That's something the freshmen usually take a little longer to pick up on. You have to figure these guys probably scored points in high school mostly off superior athleticism. It's an adjustment now for them. Learning how to create and move without the ball is important and takes some time.
Now, I don't know for sure if that's what Frank is referring to, but I'm guessing it's a part of it. And, I think it's pretty ignorant to assume that our freshman simply don't know the offense. There's a lot more to it than that.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.
Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule. Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.
I need some stats to back up your assertion, man. Gimme some stats.
Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule. Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.
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Yes, I always like the "he sucks, but he still plays" method. :thumbsup:
The thread topic is: given that we're going to play someone that sucks, why can't it be my favorite player? You know who he is. He's the guy in the bullpen. The backup quarterback. The guy on the bench. I like him better because, even though he sucks as much or more as the other guy, I haven't personally seen it.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.
I need some stats to back up your assertion, man. Gimme some stats.
Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule. Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.
My turn:
:jerk:
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Yep, that's it entirely Chum. :thumbsup:
Wait! I forgot to add that it's also about the AD budget and whatever else is on your agenda.
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory. admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.
Small plug, but was there any discussion of this?
http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html (http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html)?
"We would love to win a national championship, but we're not obsessed with it because we're obsessed with these guys trying to live their NBA dream. What's happened to Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, T.J. Ford - I'd give up a national title for all of our guys to be able to live their dream."
WOW, I would be completely pissed to hear my coach say that. That's ridiculous, never mind the players not good enough for the NBA who have a dream of winning a championship...
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
:cyclist:
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It wasn't a rhetorical question per se. :facepalm:
Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?
uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory. admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.
Small plug, but was there any discussion of this?
http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html (http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html)?
"We would love to win a national championship, but we're not obsessed with it because we're obsessed with these guys trying to live their NBA dream. What's happened to Kevin Durant, LaMarcus Aldridge, T.J. Ford - I'd give up a national title for all of our guys to be able to live their dream."
WOW, I would be completely pissed to hear my coach say that. That's ridiculous, never mind the players not good enough for the NBA who have a dream of winning a championship...
I wonder if the TX AD agrees with Rick?
Complete bullshit. imo
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KSU's offense: #16 in the country.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php
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KSU's offense: #16 in the country.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php
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Can you say JUGGERNAUT!
:bball:
:kstatriot:
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KSU's offense: #16 in the country.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php
:love:
we were 10 before the mizzou game. can't remember what the OppD/Rnk was before Saturday. but it's #9 now. played 2 defensive powerhouses over the last 2 games.
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KSU's offense: #16 in the country.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php
:love:
20-10 Notre Dame is 3rd. 12-16 Providence is 17th. Just sayin'.
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KSU's offense: #16 in the country.
http://kenpom.com/rate.php
:love:
20-10 Notre Dame is 3rd. 12-16 Providence is 17th. Just sayin'.
well 194 and 224 ranked defensively. too many white guys?
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#17 defense.
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I'm pretty sure having a top 20 offense and defense is a requirement for winning a National title. So we're still in it, baby! :kstatriot:
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I'm pretty sure having a top 20 offense and defense is a requirement for winning a National title. So we're still in it, baby! :kstatriot:
I read somewhere that is part of the BCS system for basketball.
:ksu:
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#17 defense.
:bball:
16-12 USC is #1.
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there are 7 teams in the top 20 in both O and D eff.
Duke
Kansas
BYU
Syracuse
tOSU
Kentucky
KSU
kind of a lot of pressure on Frank to perform. that's E8 material. :ohno:
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there are 7 teams in the top 20 in both O and D eff.
Duke
Kansas
BYU
Syracuse
tOSU
Kentucky
KSU
kind of a lot of pressure on Frank to perform. that's E8 material. :ohno:
will we cherish the days of march madness w/o the cats? without the expectations and nervous moments of our team? i'll say no
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there are 7 teams in the top 20 in both O and D eff.
Duke
Kansas
BYU
Syracuse
tOSU
Kentucky
KSU
kind of a lot of pressure on Frank to perform. that's E8 material. :ohno:
will we cherish the days of march madness w/o the cats? without the expectations and nervous moments of our team? i'll say no
what percentage of the fan base has gone into the NCAA tournament feeling as though KSU should win multiple games? and not in a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) gpc exectation way. and this isn't a factor in us winning, just a question. I'll put it at 10 30%.
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So let me get this straight.
After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??
Fascinating.
Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.
Or John Calipari, right? :jerk:
Speaking of simplistic "stand around" offenses.
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I am pretty dumb, but I seem to remember having these exact discussions about two years ago vis a vis JPullen.
I think its probably just Frank's long term (:ohno:) strategy with Freshmen who are not the same caliber player as BEZ and BWALK.
We'll probably be bitching about this when Angel comes along as well...
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We'll probably be bitching about this when Angel comes along as well...
huge message board fights between "martin lets rodriguez-tricoche do whatever he wants, which i think is 'cause he's puerto rican, but i'm only going to hint at that, and not say it" posters and "jfc, rodriguez-tricoche is going to transfer if martin keeps playing effortavious irving" posters coming in '11-'12.
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We'll probably be bitching about this when Angel comes along as well...
effortavious irving"
:love: Nicknames for everyone should be mandatory...
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#17 defense.
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16-12 USC is #1.
You can't possibly be that obtuse, check their offensive numbers and you'll see why they suck.
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time. we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but didn't Frank develop Jake Pullen and Jamar Samuels?
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time. we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but didn't Frank develop Jake Pullen and Jamar Samuels?
correct me if i'm mistaken but i think he did. is everything an absolute? didn't jamar redshirt? :dunno:
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effortavious irving
:love: :love:
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time. we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but didn't Frank develop Jake Pullen and Jamar Samuels?
correct me if i'm mistaken but i think he did. is everything an absolute? didn't jamar redshirt? :dunno:
So does that mean that Jamar lost his freshman year :dunno: point is that Frank hasn't really had freshmen good enough to "develop on the floor." Who other than Jake and Jamar proved worthy of good minutes as a freshman? Dom got too many minutes as a freshman because of the shitty options. I guess I don't get your point since Wally and Rodney are the only ones who can even be debated. Pretty sure that Wally proved Frank's point last night. People are creaming themselves about him, but he still wasn't any good.
If you are a coach that loves winning and loves having a job you don't use game time for development. Safe to say that Wally looks just as shitty rebounding and defending in practice as he did last night.
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kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul. you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games? Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense? Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive? Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.
there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time. we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.
Correct me if I'm mistaken but didn't Frank develop Jake Pullen and Jamar Samuels?
correct me if i'm mistaken but i think he did. is everything an absolute? didn't jamar redshirt? :dunno:
So does that mean that Jamar lost his freshman year :dunno: point is that Frank hasn't really had freshmen good enough to "develop on the floor." Who other than Jake and Jamar proved worthy of good minutes as a freshman? Dom got too many minutes as a freshman because of the shitty options. I guess I don't get your point since Wally and Rodney are the only ones who can even be debated. Pretty sure that Wally proved Frank's point last night. People are creaming themselves about him, but he still wasn't any good.
If you are a coach that loves winning and loves having a job you don't use game time for development. Safe to say that Wally looks just as shitty rebounding and defending in practice as he did last night.
cool, i'm not trying to debate anything and its my subjective opinion, so i win. and your post is ignorant.
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i kind of like how dacs ksujones has a new talking point for every game. scans the game report and finds whatever wasn't great and then just rough ridin' attacks it. interesting and kind of enjoyable. it's so weird that he didn't do this for the fball team though or in any previous fball or bball year.
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i kind of like how dacs ksujones has a new talking point for every game. scans the game report and finds whatever wasn't great and then just fracking attacks it. interesting and kind of enjoyable. it's so weird that he didn't do this for the fball team though or in any previous fball or bball year.
in his defense there's a lot of people here that won't bitch about anything/there are no talking points.
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in his defense there's a lot of people here that won't bitch about anything/there are no talking points.
^^This. Only 5 losses and nothing else to complain about. Except Colon of course. .
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i kind of like how dacs ksujones has a new talking point for every game. scans the game report and finds whatever wasn't great and then just fracking attacks it. interesting and kind of enjoyable. it's so weird that he didn't do this for the fball team though or in any previous fball or bball year.
in his defense there's a lot of people here that won't bitch about anything/there are no talking points.
heck yea. a different perspective is nice. and the dax rant is usually a classic one
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i kind of like how dacs ksujones has a new talking point for every game. scans the game report and finds whatever wasn't great and then just fracking attacks it. interesting and kind of enjoyable. it's so weird that he didn't do this for the fball team though or in any previous fball or bball year.
in his defense there's a lot of people here that won't bitch about anything/there are no talking points.
bitching is fine. more than fine. just sticking to one or two or three or four bitching points without having to switch back and forth every game would be more respectable. i mean, the fan of the best team in the world of the history of all sports could find something to complain about every game if they wanted to. also, dax's complaining is just weird because he goes crazy about a top ten basketball team but was completely silent during fball season. why? i don't understand.
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i kind of like how dacs ksujones has a new talking point for every game. scans the game report and finds whatever wasn't great and then just fracking attacks it. interesting and kind of enjoyable. it's so weird that he didn't do this for the fball team though or in any previous fball or bball year.
in his defense there's a lot of people here that won't bitch about anything/there are no talking points.
bitching is fine. more than fine. just sticking to one or two or three or four bitching points without having to switch back and forth every game would be more respectable. i mean, the fan of the best team in the world of the history of all sports could find something to complain about every game if they wanted to. also, dax's complaining is just weird because he goes crazy about a top ten basketball team but was completely silent during fball season. why? i don't understand.
he's probably not a combo fan? dumbass.
:bball: <---dax
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I gotta tell ya, I am really hoping Currie steps up and pays Frank big, because I am chomping at the bit to poster intimidate the hell out of the first tard that comes along and talks about how Frank and Staff are trying the best they can and so we should just get off their back.
Oh man, I am def. looking forward to this
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As far as basketball goes, I want a got damn long NCAA tourney run and it's the little things that make a difference in the NCAA tourney between coming home early or staying a long time. Guys like JamSam and Dom playing like Mental Midgets or Denny taking dumba$$ shots or Lu giving us his flustered turnover(s) (really official score keeper, only 2 TO's for Lu against ku . . . really??).
But how is creating your patented threads going to help us get to the Final Four??
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You know I think Frank and staff are doing their best and you should get off their back.
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You know I think Frank and staff are doing their best and you should get off their back.
Nice thought, but really not a valid message board response. Justy sayin'.
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Lu giving us his flustered turnover(s) (really official score keeper, only 2 TO's for Lu against ku . . . really??).
Pretty sure the scorekeeper gave the TO to who ever made the entry pass to Colon, which shows very HBBIQ, IMO
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I was hoping to get intimidated.
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Frank just isn't an easy target at $750K a year.
When he gets to $1.5 million plus, and the tards elevate him to "bigger than the University" status ala Snyder . . . now there's a 16 oz marbled dry aged ribeye to sink your teeth into.
starting to think this might actually happen. the contract thing that is. i'll be driving the frank larger than the university bus by the way. unless we start sucking at some point down the road and then i'll want him fired. go khazts!
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Sometimes you forget what a great poster Dax can be when he isn't talking about KU. Just hate that we have to go through such long stretches to see it.
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However I think with certain "he's no Bob Chipman" chairbackers this may never come to pass for Frank . . . :opcat:
Totally agree on that.
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Lu giving us his flustered turnover(s) (really official score keeper, only 2 TO's for Lu against ku . . . really??).
Pretty sure the scorekeeper gave the TO to who ever made the entry pass to Colon, which shows very HBBIQ, IMO
Pfffffffft :lol: