HBBIQ Question

[SleepFighter]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

[mcmwcat]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

that's what Frank said

[catzacker]

kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul.  you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games?  Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense?  Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive?  Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.

[JMart]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

Or John Calipari, right? 

[sys]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

Or John Calipari, right? 

houston must be so boring.

[kso_FAN]

kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul.  you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games?  Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense?  Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive?  Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.

Can't really argue with that.  Frank had his reasons, but it would've made sense to get him a few more minutes in those games.

[JMart]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

Or John Calipari, right? 

houston must be so boring.

Houston is nice. But I couldn't miss the meltdown around here.

[SwiftCat]

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

Kentucky?

I'm not trying to argue one way or the other, but its not like playing freshman is an obvious mistake.

Edit: Sorry, I was should have kept reading.

[sys]

Houston is nice. But I couldn't miss the meltdown around here.

i think we actually meltdown better after close victories over nortards or noncons than ku losses.  it's kinda pathetic.

[kougar24]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Go ask Rick Barnes or Jeff Capel about Freshmen.

Or John Calipari, right? 

houston must be so boring.

Houston is nice.

I don't know a single person that agrees with that.

[CNS]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Smooth offense is as much about feel as it is knowledge.  Knowing where you and your teammates need to be/will be is not quite the same thing as feeling where and when they will be.  

Once you reach that level of comfort with the set of guys that will be getting most of the minutes, you can anticipate some minor changes or reactions they will make.  Makes for a better, smoother offense.

I think the Frosh are lacking this.  

[kso_FAN]

So let me get this straight.

After 28 or so games, the Frosh still don't know where to go or what to do in Frank Martin's highly complex stand around offense??

Fascinating. 

Smooth offense is as much about feel as it is knowledge.  Knowing where you and your teammates need to be/will be is not quite the same thing as feeling where and when they will be. 

Once you reach that level of comfort with the set of guys that will be getting most of the minutes, you can anticipate some minor changes or reactions they will make.  Makes for a better, smoother offense.

I think the Frosh are lacking this. 

Frank's offensive base is sets and then read and react to the defense off of those sets.  It takes time and playing together a lot to get that. 

[sys]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory.  admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.

[JMart]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.

[JMart]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory.  admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.

sys knows me well. 

[pissclams]

kind of dislike that Wally didn't get minutes A&M, @NU, CU, @OU, @TT...those were games where we beat the opponent by double digits (all were 15 or more) and yet he only got 10 minutes once (@NU), though he had 4 fouls in the A&M game, the rest of those games he had 0 or 1 foul.  you're telling me that we can't sneak him in and get some real experience in those games?  Maybe then he won't be so lost on offense?  Maybe then he gets a bit tougher or more aggressive?  Can't really treat him like a veteran pinch hitter.

there's few things i dislike about frank but one of those things is that I don't think he allows his younger players a chance to grow and develop on the floor, in game time.  we just have to accept it b/c it won't change.

[JMart]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

uh, jeffrey called out the freshmen can't win theory.  admittedly, probably just to attack barnes, with capel and martin as inadvertent casualties.

Small plug, but was there any discussion of this?

http://blogs.chron.com/ncaatournament/2010/03/different_priorities_for_uts_barnes.html?

[chum1]

What a bunch of bullshit in this thread.  This is a LBBIQ topic.  If you can't get on the floor for Frank, you suck.  End of story.

[chum1]

And the counter is .  . . that's irrelevant.

[kso_FAN]

This is another place where the mafia references to Frank are appropriate; when it comes to PT for Frank, a big key is earning his trust.

[Joker]

There's a lot more to an offense than just knowing how it works and where you need to be on the floor.  Anyone can learn an offense, go through the motions, and be a robot. But, great offensive players know how to read screens and look for secondary options.  That's something the freshmen usually take a little longer to pick up on.  You have to figure these guys probably scored points in high school mostly off superior athleticism.  It's an adjustment now for them.  Learning how to create and move without the ball is important and takes some time. 

Now, I don't know for sure if that's what Frank is referring to, but I'm guessing it's a part of it.  And, I think it's pretty ignorant to assume that our freshman simply don't know the offense.  There's a lot more to it than that.

[SleepFighter]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.

Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule.  Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.

[JMart]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.

I need some stats to back up your assertion, man. Gimme some stats.

Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule.  Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.

[chum1]

Yes, I always like the "he sucks, but he still plays" method.   

The thread topic is:  given that we're going to play someone that sucks, why can't it be my favorite player?  You know who he is.  He's the guy in the bullpen.  The backup quarterback.  The guy on the bench.  I like him better because, even though he sucks as much or more as the other guy, I haven't personally seen it.

[SleepFighter]

It wasn't a rhetorical question per se.    

Why are the Frankites so defensive . . . particularly JMart?

I was just objecting to the freshman thing. In this instance, I was disagreeing with Frank, but he knows more about the topic than I do. Please, continue meltdown-ing.

I need some stats to back up your assertion, man. Gimme some stats.

Yeah, Wall and Cousins are the rule.  Bradley, Brown, Hamilton, Mason-Griffon, Gallon, McGruder, and Judge are the exceptions.

My turn: