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Title: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 05:34:32 PM
dudez killed it in track this spring.  I looked earlier in the season and didn't see anything on him.  He gets 3rd at 5A state in both the 100 and 200 (his 200 time would have won 6A and they faster in OK than KS)

he's a 10.7-10.8 100 guy.  Best legit 200 time of 21.79 and also had a 21.30 wind-aided in spring.

The good news is he's a LOT bigger than Aaron.  The other good news is he's a LOT faster than daddy.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404)

I'm giddy over this...I didn't realize he was this fast.  He's pretty close to A. Lockett in that dept.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jrod_06 on August 01, 2011, 05:47:26 PM
how does that compare to burns?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 05:58:58 PM
burns would beat him but it would be awfully close.  Honestly, they would have to race each other to see.  I'd bet on Burns but Lockett's on his hip.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jrod_06 on August 01, 2011, 06:05:55 PM
Its just finally nice to have some real speed on the roster again that isnt 5'6". No offense to banks.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jrod_06 on August 01, 2011, 06:06:52 PM
And how kick ass would it be if he had Locket III on his jersey?!  :lynchmob:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 01, 2011, 06:14:33 PM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: DQ12 on August 01, 2011, 06:21:22 PM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D
lmao, perfect.

Lapham is incredible.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jrod_06 on August 01, 2011, 06:23:10 PM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D
:surprised:  :drool:
"--cut to knoxy on the sideline staring at the beautiful strong armed chamber--" and just like that dave, the mizzou defense just lost track of the speedster lockett and klien just hit him in stride, and who do we have here? why mr. Colbert himself, back to you dave--"
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: KITNfury on August 01, 2011, 06:31:16 PM
And how kick ass would it be if he had Locket III on his jersey?!  :lynchmob:
Should do this with all Legacy recruits starting with Snyder Too.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 07:08:21 PM
Lockett's senior highlight tape...watch how fast he gets downfield for the deep ball.  :pbj:

Not necessarily my taste of music but whitey here postin' isn't making plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhs-ILoZmU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhs-ILoZmU)
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: raquetcat on August 01, 2011, 07:13:51 PM
dudez killed it in track this spring.  I looked earlier in the season and didn't see anything on him.  He gets 3rd at 5A state in both the 100 and 200 (his 200 time would have won 6A and they faster in OK than KS)

he's a 10.7-10.8 100 guy.  Best legit 200 time of 21.79 and also had a 21.30 wind-aided in spring.

The good news is he's a LOT bigger than Aaron.  The other good news is he's a LOT faster than daddy.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404)

I'm giddy over this...I didn't realize he was this fast.  He's pretty close to A. Lockett in that dept.

Wait, this is Kevin's kid right?

Edit: Just watched his highlight video and you can totally see Kevin's good looking-ness in the face
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 07:25:02 PM
dudez killed it in track this spring.  I looked earlier in the season and didn't see anything on him.  He gets 3rd at 5A state in both the 100 and 200 (his 200 time would have won 6A and they faster in OK than KS)

he's a 10.7-10.8 100 guy.  Best legit 200 time of 21.79 and also had a 21.30 wind-aided in spring.

The good news is he's a LOT bigger than Aaron.  The other good news is he's a LOT faster than daddy.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404)

I'm giddy over this...I didn't realize he was this fast.  He's pretty close to A. Lockett in that dept.

Wait, this is Kevin's kid right?

Edit: Just watched his highlight video and you can totally see Kevin's good looking-ness in the face


Yes, Kevin's kid but runs like Aaron.  Not quite as fast as Aaron but he may eventually be.  VERY smooth acceleration...looks like he's almost bored out there when he keeps running to the endzone.  Has sort of that stroll-walk gait when he runs like Aaron did.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2011, 07:26:34 PM
Will be worth it to have The BFA at every game.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: bigwillie20 on August 01, 2011, 07:29:20 PM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D

Someone needs to shoot that fat eff waste of space in his fat face
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 01, 2011, 07:53:49 PM
Well, I'm glad we've found this year's Team Speedster, at last.  This guy sounds like a total stud who will be taking a ton of bombs to the house.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 01, 2011, 07:54:18 PM
Also, he wasn't even on my radar for Team Speedster, can't believe I missed him :lol:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 01, 2011, 08:27:02 PM
And how kick ass would it be if he had Locket III on his jersey?!  :lynchmob:
Should do this with all Legacy recruits starting with Snyder Too.


Arrested Development reference?!?!??   :runaway:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 01, 2011, 08:30:21 PM
God.  Maybe let's just not publish that last part, okay?


(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi147.photobucket.com%2Falbums%2Fr312%2FshaggsCD%2FPicture7-4.png%3Ft%3D1312248572&hash=b2219655317894cd3512e5cd5a3ba8b9112f781c)
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: sonofdaxjones on August 01, 2011, 08:30:57 PM
Dad was faster than people thought.

Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Panjandrum on August 01, 2011, 08:32:39 PM
dudez killed it in track this spring.  I looked earlier in the season and didn't see anything on him.  He gets 3rd at 5A state in both the 100 and 200 (his 200 time would have won 6A and they faster in OK than KS)

he's a 10.7-10.8 100 guy.  Best legit 200 time of 21.79 and also had a 21.30 wind-aided in spring.

The good news is he's a LOT bigger than Aaron.  The other good news is he's a LOT faster than daddy.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404)

I'm giddy over this...I didn't realize he was this fast.  He's pretty close to A. Lockett in that dept.

He also has good lateral movement too.  He's a fluid runner; he's not just a sprinter.

I've been on the fence as to whether or not I think he redshirts.  At this point, I think he will due to the sheer number of receivers that will get PT, but if Thompson isn't as fast after his injury, he may have to be 'speed guy' now.

Of course, I wonder if Snyder is going to want to waste a year of his eligibility on a guy that they may not call on to throw more than 15-20 times a game.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on August 01, 2011, 08:33:07 PM
Well, I'm glad we've found this year's Team Speedster, at last.  This guy sounds like a total stud who will be taking a ton of bombs to the house.
Isn't he set on redshirting?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: fatty fat fat on August 01, 2011, 08:33:18 PM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on August 01, 2011, 08:34:11 PM
wow.  was not even on my radar for Darkhorse Team Speedster.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: wes mantooth on August 01, 2011, 08:38:12 PM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D

Fatty is the best at this.  :comeatme:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 01, 2011, 08:51:57 PM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.

:surprised:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: bigwilliestyle1407 on August 01, 2011, 08:59:05 PM
Lockett's not as fast at T. Newman but after watching him play as a DB,  I could seriously see him play a similar roll as Newman, being a star defender and a big part of our vertical passing game, opposite D.Sams...oh yeah  :emawkid:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 01, 2011, 09:06:19 PM
But some of the defensive highlights he chose to include puzzled me, I must admit.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: wes mantooth on August 01, 2011, 09:13:47 PM
deep threat looks a lot like deep throat
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 01, 2011, 09:15:51 PM
This guy is going to be the captain of my All-Deep team.  Total stud.  And LOL @ redshirting him.  Are you serious, Clark?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: bigwilliestyle1407 on August 01, 2011, 09:19:32 PM
Yeah but most H.S DB's rely on just straight athletisim to make plays, so with some coaching, his size and speed,  He could  possibly be a four year starter something we haven't had in a while.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 01, 2011, 09:48:15 PM
This would be a great time for Lockett to redshirt, our WRs corps looks pretty solid this year.  Would love to see an offense with Tremaine, Sams, Cathey, that kid from Abilene, Brod, Harper, etc catching balls next season.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 01, 2011, 09:49:09 PM
This guy is going to be the captain of my All-Deep team.  Total stud.  And LOL @ redshirting him.  Are you serious, Clark?

What?  You left him off your team speedster list.  You whiffed this year clams.  Regroup, get started on next year's TS list.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 01, 2011, 10:24:23 PM
Um, just because he wasn't on my preseason Team Speedster list doesn't mean he can't be on my preseason All-Deep team.  Why in the world would you not want this burner on my All-Deep team?  Jealous that you don't have the burners to make the All-Deep two deep?  
 :confused:

Seriously, I don't get some of you guys.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 10:47:28 PM
eff the redshirting.  That is what recruiting is for...to get the next one.  OU played three true freshman at receiver last year and I'm sure they didn't need them.  Use the resources you have to win games now.


Collin Klein was asked by d_scott who has impressed him and he mentioned both Lockett and Sams at receiver.  Use 'em.  I don't care if Lockett and Sams only catch 20 passes and score just a few tds...more versatility when you add more skills to the field.  You put Harper, B. Brown, and Lockett on the field you have three individuals who can run vertically and put some strain on a defense. 

Plus, me thinks T. Lockett is a pretty savvy little receiver.  He's probably been the beneficiary of some great tips by Kevin and Aaron and he played in a pretty wide open offense in high school where he caught a lot of balls.  Both he and Sams have seen some good competition and that coupled with Sams knowledge of the game from behind center added to his special skills...shoot, use them.  I see us being more of a speed oriented offense vs. what we were last year.  We basically had back ups playing at wide receiver who couldn't stretch the field...we had a 4.65 RB and a statue for a QB in CC and our interior 3 OL were point of attack guys that struggled to pass block, run block on the edges or the second level. 
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 10:48:43 PM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.

you and i know those tests are culturally biased.   :opcat:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 01, 2011, 11:11:30 PM
eff the redshirting.  That is what recruiting is for...to get the next one.  OU played three true freshman at receiver last year and I'm sure they didn't need them.  Use the resources you have to win games now.


Collin Klein was asked by d_scott who has impressed him and he mentioned both Lockett and Sams at receiver.  Use 'em.  I don't care if Lockett and Sams only catch 20 passes and score just a few tds...more versatility when you add more skills to the field.  You put Harper, B. Brown, and Lockett on the field you have three individuals who can run vertically and put some strain on a defense. 

Plus, me thinks T. Lockett is a pretty savvy little receiver.  He's probably been the beneficiary of some great tips by Kevin and Aaron and he played in a pretty wide open offense in high school where he caught a lot of balls.  Both he and Sams have seen some good competition and that coupled with Sams knowledge of the game from behind center added to his special skills...shoot, use them.  I see us being more of a speed oriented offense vs. what we were last year.  We basically had back ups playing at wide receiver who couldn't stretch the field...we had a 4.65 RB and a statue for a QB in CC and our interior 3 OL were point of attack guys that struggled to pass block, run block on the edges or the second level. 

Unless they are going to start, they need to redshirt. Have you seen the players we are recruiting? We need to keep the players with the most potential in the program as long as possible. I'm all for playing them if they are good enough to be starters, though.

Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 01, 2011, 11:24:02 PM
eff the redshirting.  That is what recruiting is for...to get the next one.  OU played three true freshman at receiver last year and I'm sure they didn't need them.  Use the resources you have to win games now.


Collin Klein was asked by d_scott who has impressed him and he mentioned both Lockett and Sams at receiver.  Use 'em.  I don't care if Lockett and Sams only catch 20 passes and score just a few tds...more versatility when you add more skills to the field.  You put Harper, B. Brown, and Lockett on the field you have three individuals who can run vertically and put some strain on a defense. 

Plus, me thinks T. Lockett is a pretty savvy little receiver.  He's probably been the beneficiary of some great tips by Kevin and Aaron and he played in a pretty wide open offense in high school where he caught a lot of balls.  Both he and Sams have seen some good competition and that coupled with Sams knowledge of the game from behind center added to his special skills...shoot, use them.  I see us being more of a speed oriented offense vs. what we were last year.  We basically had back ups playing at wide receiver who couldn't stretch the field...we had a 4.65 RB and a statue for a QB in CC and our interior 3 OL were point of attack guys that struggled to pass block, run block on the edges or the second level. 

Unless they are going to start, they need to redshirt. Have you seen the players we are recruiting? We need to keep the players with the most potential in the program as long as possible. I'm all for playing them if they are good enough to be starters, though.

Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.


that's the spirit.....old man snyder not playing any of his true freshman is a good way to bring in the recruits you want who would come to ksu to play early (as one of the primary reasons).  Also, winning helps solve plenty of issues in recruiting.  If you have a freshman who may not start but has the ability to do some things to help you win more games...you play him.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: DQ12 on August 01, 2011, 11:27:58 PM
Someone needs to shoot that fat eff waste of space in his fat face

First of all, cool it on the "fat face" stuff.  Some people on this site might take offense to that.

Second of all, Lapham is gold.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Panjandrum on August 01, 2011, 11:32:49 PM
Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.

I'm going to be livid if Sams wastes one snap at receiver.  He needs to be spending every single second he's here preparing to be our next quarterback.

LHC Bill Snyder taking a great athlete like that and turning him into a wide receiver he'll sparingly use would be a goddamn joke.  I don't care how good of a receiver he'd be.  He'd make more of an impact at quarterback considering we don't have crap there and we need a good one ASAP.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on August 01, 2011, 11:42:26 PM
I have updated my roster and marked Lockett as the Redshirt Team Speedster.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 02, 2011, 12:16:49 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: bigwillie20 on August 02, 2011, 01:23:33 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho  :dunno:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: felix rex on August 02, 2011, 06:35:09 AM
Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.

I'm going to be livid if Sams wastes one snap at receiver.  He needs to be spending every single second he's here preparing to be our next quarterback.

LHC Bill Snyder taking a great athlete like that and turning him into a wide receiver he'll sparingly use would be a goddamn joke.  I don't care how good of a receiver he'd be.  He'd make more of an impact at quarterback considering we don't have crap there and we need a good one ASAP.

If this happens, I'm blaming SD for his relentless and tragically myopic public harassment campaign.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2011, 08:12:37 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

If we were getting good QB's just about every year, I would agree. We have good WR's. We need QB's. If Sams wanted to be a WR, he would have gone to LSU. We don't really need another target for Collin Klein to miss once or twice a game.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2011, 08:19:58 AM
Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.

I'm going to be livid if Sams wastes one snap at receiver.  He needs to be spending every single second he's here preparing to be our next quarterback.

LHC Bill Snyder taking a great athlete like that and turning him into a wide receiver he'll sparingly use would be a goddamn joke.  I don't care how good of a receiver he'd be.  He'd make more of an impact at quarterback considering we don't have crap there and we need a good one ASAP.

If this happens, I'm blaming SD for his relentless and tragically myopic public harassment campaign.

Bill isn't dumb.  He knows Sams is his only shot at regaining respectibility.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 08:45:41 AM
Lockett 3  won't be redshirting.  Some of  you guys need to get a clue.  He's moved up my All-Deep team since overnight and has worked his way onto my Honorable Mention Team Speedster list.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2011, 08:50:43 AM
Kid from Abilene is redshirting though.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Panjandrum on August 02, 2011, 08:50:52 AM
Also, Sams needs to be with the QB's. He's hands down the best looking QB prospect LHC Bill Snyder has recruited since Ell Roberson.

I'm going to be livid if Sams wastes one snap at receiver.  He needs to be spending every single second he's here preparing to be our next quarterback.

LHC Bill Snyder taking a great athlete like that and turning him into a wide receiver he'll sparingly use would be a goddamn joke.  I don't care how good of a receiver he'd be.  He'd make more of an impact at quarterback considering we don't have crap there and we need a good one ASAP.

If this happens, I'm blaming SD for his relentless and tragically myopic public harassment campaign.

Bill isn't dumb.  He knows Sams is his only shot at regaining respectibility.

Dumb, no.  Old and stubborn?  Yes.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2011, 09:15:10 AM
I have updated my roster and marked Lockett as the Redshirt Team Speedster.

Direct shot at clams.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 09:23:52 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho  :dunno:


pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Panjandrum on August 02, 2011, 09:31:10 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho  :dunno:


pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: TBL on August 02, 2011, 09:47:58 AM
Lockett's senior highlight tape...watch how fast he gets downfield for the deep ball.  :pbj:

Not necessarily my taste of music but whitey here postin' isn't making plays.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhs-ILoZmU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hbhs-ILoZmU)

Please tell me we tried recruiting the very well tanned QB throwing him the deep darts. (#10)      :pray:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 09:54:39 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho  :dunno:


pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.

Klein can get him the ball.  People go overboard on Klein as a passer.  He's not going to be Tom Brady or Joe Montana...I get it, everybody gets it.  But I've seen a lot of athletic QBs with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) looking throwing motions in the college game who were more than adequate passers.  It's not like the NFL where your margin of error and windows are so tight you need to be an extremely polished passer.  Sams was recruited as a non-QB skill player by Miami and OU...SEC schools were after him but he didn't even let them get in a phone conversation after they stopped recruiting him when he got suspended.  Those types of programs wanted him and we yearn for those types of players yet when we get one some in our fanbase don't want to use him in his first year or at that position at all?  Again, there are no guarantees he'll be that good of a QB.

And I would argue Snyder's done fine as a recruiter since the Clinton Administration...some of these guys just didn't turn out to be as good as was believed but some of that had to do w/ the dwindling talent surrounding him.  A guy like Jonathan Beasley would have looked a lot different without his OL, Shad Meier (NFL talent at TE), Quincy Morgan, and A. Lockett.  Besides, I see more upside in Bender as a QB than Sams.  I think he could be a quality passer whereas I'm not sure Sams will ever be anything but a dynamic "thrower".  
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: steve dave on August 02, 2011, 09:58:04 AM
dynamic thrower  :love:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2011, 09:59:46 AM
I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: michigancat on August 02, 2011, 10:11:17 AM
Someone needs to shoot that fat eff waste of space in his fat face

First of all, cool it on the "fat face" stuff.  Some people on this site might take offense to that.

Second of all, Lapham is gold.

If you can't smile when Lapham is calling a game, you probably hate football and life.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: kostakio on August 02, 2011, 10:37:27 AM
I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

Klein is likely to start the next two seasons at QB.   Do you want to sit Sams this year and next or would you like to get him on the field and use his athletic ablity at WR?  I can see the argument for redshirting him this year but I can't see the argument for not trying him at WR and at least getting him on the field in 2012. 

If he's one of our top 4 WR's then he needs to play this year at WR and see the field.  IF he's not in the top 4 this year then you redshirt him and let him practice at QB this fall and spring.  However, he still goes back to WR next fall assuming Klein is effective as our starter this season.   Then come the spring of 2012 he can compete for the starting QB job if he gets beat out by a younger guy like Bender then he's a WR from then on out.     
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Dugout DickStone on August 02, 2011, 10:46:23 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho  :dunno:


pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.

Klein can get him the ball.  People go overboard on Klein as a passer.  He's not going to be Tom Brady or Joe Montana...I get it, everybody gets it.  But I've seen a lot of athletic QBs with respected looking throwing motions in the college game who were more than adequate passers.  It's not like the NFL where your margin of error and windows are so tight you need to be an extremely polished passer.  Sams was recruited as a non-QB skill player by Miami and OU...SEC schools were after him but he didn't even let them get in a phone conversation after they stopped recruiting him when he got suspended.  Those types of programs wanted him and we yearn for those types of players yet when we get one some in our fanbase don't want to use him in his first year or at that position at all?  Again, there are no guarantees he'll be that good of a QB.

And I would argue Snyder's done fine as a recruiter since the Clinton Administration...some of these guys just didn't turn out to be as good as was believed but some of that had to do w/ the dwindling talent surrounding him.  A guy like Jonathan Beasley would have looked a lot different without his OL, Shad Meier (NFL talent at TE), Quincy Morgan, and A. Lockett.  Besides, I see more upside in Bender as a QB than Sams.  I think he could be a quality passer whereas I'm not sure Sams will ever be anything but a dynamic "thrower".  

Klein may be able to make some throws but Snyds won't really let him.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 11:04:54 AM
I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

did you notice i designated the word "passer" with Bender and "thrower" with Sams?  Therein lies the key to the point I was trying to get across.

There are throwers and there are passers.  Throwers can make big plays in the passing game but you're not exactly sure where the ball is going. 
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 11:19:49 AM
I'm assuming that everyone here realizes that if Sams redshirts then he'll be the scout team QB and does everyone here know what the scout team QB does during every week in practice?  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

If you want him as a starting QB in '12 (forget '11 because it's not going to happen) or at least in the mix in '12 then he'll have a few weeks, spring ball, and '12 fall camp to get ready.  A scout team QB spends no time in the KSU offensive playbook other than on their free time but that is usually occupied by learning the playbook of the opponent for the scout team look.  The scout team QB is the QB for our next opponent.  If he doesn't redshirt and he's playing wide receiver then he's learning our passing game, our line calls, our audibles, everything and anything.  He's also probably getting reps as a QB for our offense, not the opponents' offense.

It's your choice.  If he redshirts then he goes on Rudy duty for the next 4 months. If he doesn't then he's in our playbook and offense for the next 4 months both in practice and games.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2011, 11:23:44 AM
I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

did you notice i designated the word "passer" with Bender and "thrower" with Sams?  Therein lies the key to the point I was trying to get across.

There are throwers and there are passers.  Throwers can make big plays in the passing game but you're not exactly sure where the ball is going. 

If he can throw the ball deep enough, Lockett will be able to run and get it. Opposing defenses will have to bring up a safety to stop his dynamic run game.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2011, 11:24:44 AM
I'm assuming that everyone here realizes that if Sams redshirts then he'll be the scout team QB and does everyone here know what the scout team QB does during every week in practice?  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

If you want him as a starting QB in '12 (forget '11 because it's not going to happen) or at least in the mix in '12 then he'll have a few weeks, spring ball, and '12 fall camp to get ready.  A scout team QB spends no time in the KSU offensive playbook other than on their free time but that is usually occupied by learning the playbook of the opponent for the scout team look.  The scout team QB is the QB for our next opponent.  If he doesn't redshirt and he's playing wide receiver then he's learning our passing game, our line calls, our audibles, everything and anything.  He's also probably getting reps as a QB for our offense, not the opponents' offense.

It's your choice.  If he redshirts then he goes on Rudy duty for the next 4 months. If he doesn't then he's in our playbook and offense for the next 4 months both in practice and games.

It's not my choice. If it were up to me, Sams wouldn't redshirt and he would just start at QB from day one. Snyder isn't going to do that, so redshirting is the best option available.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: stunted on August 02, 2011, 11:26:22 AM
You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

His team had another QB that was recruited to play at a lower division college.  Makes sense to have both of them on the field.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2011, 11:30:36 AM
you can't have a roster with both lockett and sams listed as the redshirt team speedster.  you must choose one.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: FranklyFrankYou on August 02, 2011, 11:45:13 AM
Lockett 3  won't be redshirting.  Some of  you guys need to get a clue.  He's moved up my All-Deep team since overnight and has worked his way onto my Honorable Mention Team Speedster list.
There was an article on GPC around the time he committed that quoted Mr Lockett as saying he wanted to redshirt so he could hit the weights and learn the playbook. That could've changed but I will go ahead and take his original word on it.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 11:52:27 AM
Lockett 3  won't be redshirting.  Some of  you guys need to get a clue.  He's moved up my All-Deep team since overnight and has worked his way onto my Honorable Mention Team Speedster list.
There was an article on GPC around the time he committed that quoted Mr Lockett as saying he wanted to redshirt so he could hit the weights and learn the playbook. That could've changed but I will go ahead and take his original word on it.


around the time he committed he said that...that was a long time ago.  I've seen several things including the track article I posted where he is quoted as saying he's going in competing to play this year.  If he does redshirt then that's fine but he is no longer asking to redshirt.  That line of thought was short lived on his part.  He wants to play this year he's just not going to pout if he doesn't.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: felix rex on August 02, 2011, 11:56:52 AM
dynamic thrower  :love:

Yeah. This phrase also had the opposite of the intended effect on me. Irresponsibly leaning back towards #startsams
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Boom Roasted on August 02, 2011, 12:05:40 PM
Wouldn't suprise me if both of them redshirted this year and played the parts of Weeden and Blackmon ripping up our defense in practice
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 02, 2011, 12:18:52 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 12:30:31 PM
I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett 3 learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L3 will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L3 is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L3 burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 12:33:06 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 12:37:03 PM
I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett 3 learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L3 will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L3 is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L3 burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.


I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Pete on August 02, 2011, 12:37:42 PM
I am on team Hatter.


You take blow torches to red shirts on playmakers.   Red shirts are for beef.

Playing Kevin as a Frosh got us the tie in the CU game, and Canty as a Frosh was also huge.  We were not loaded then, just loading
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 12:46:34 PM
I am on team Hatter.

Are we shirts or skins?  If we're skins i don't want any outta shape bitches.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 02, 2011, 12:46:49 PM
Seems like Snyds has been more open to playing freshmen this go around.  If Lockett is a similar talent to Tremaine was his freshmen season, he'll be playing.  The only thing that would get him 'shirted would be the fact that we already have a burner with great open field moves.  So, unless Lockett is better than current Tremaine, he may benefit from redshirting.  And not every redshirt is wasted on the scout team.  Alot of the guys who redshirt still practice with the 2's because they may need to burn the shirt at some point, whether due to injury, ineffectiveness, or their own production on the practice field.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: kostakio on August 02, 2011, 12:47:18 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.


I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there. He was recruited to play QB and he's the only young QB on the roster right now so I assume at some point he'll get a look there. We Probably won't need him there until 2013 though so in the meantime I see no reason not to see if he can help at WR.  

I don't think it is a given that he'll step right in and be one of our top WR's though.  WE have morer competition there then you give us credit for.   I know you like Bender but he's just a committ and who knows what happens if Nebraska offers him to play QB.   Too early to talk about SAms being a career WR because of a guy that hasn't played his senior year of high school yet.  
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on August 02, 2011, 12:48:43 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  


Would love to have Bishop too, though.   :users:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 12:53:28 PM
Seems like Snyds has been more open to playing freshmen this go around.  If Lockett is a similar talent to Tremaine was his freshmen season, he'll be playing.  The only thing that would get him 'shirted would be the fact that we already have a burner with great open field moves.  So, unless Lockett is better than current Tremaine, he may benefit from redshirting.  And not every redshirt is wasted on the scout team.  Alot of the guys who redshirt still practice with the 2's because they may need to burn the shirt at some point, whether due to injury, ineffectiveness, or their own production on the practice field.

Tremaine isn't a burner either.  He's more quick than fast.  Again, that isn't a bad thing.  I love Tremaine for the underneath stuff cause he can do some things.  The difference between Lockett and Tremaine, other than downfield speed, is that Lockett is just a bigger kid.  Even with B. Banks blistering downfield speed it was difficult to drop a vertical route pass on top of his head because of his lack of size.  A much bigger corner running a stride behind makes that throw difficult even if he's beat.  You have to clearly beat people to get it done down the field.  Lockett is more than big enough at 5'9.5 or 5'10.  He'll be as tall as most of the corners covering.


But I'm not sold that cornerback isn't Lockett's best position.  Don't get me wrong...I think he's a really smart and savvy wide receiver (FB IQ kid).  But he was flat out outstanding as a corner in high school.  He's almost a little Jerametrious-licious Butler in him when I watch his cornerback highlights.  Especially from the highlights of his junior year on youtube where the camera angle isn't as tight and you can see more space where he closes on the ball.  
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 02, 2011, 12:53:33 PM
Yeah, Bish was pretty much the coolest thing ever.  Coming in and dominating from Day 1 was so badass.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Trim on August 02, 2011, 12:55:55 PM
A lot of people overlooking Sams' 99 in EMAW.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 12:56:45 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.


I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   


oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on August 02, 2011, 01:12:46 PM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.


I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   


oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.

It's probably because those other programs don't have problems recruiting good qb's and don't need to take a risk on a kid who could step in and play wide receiver for them. LHC Bill Snyder, on the other hand, has not recruited a good quarterback since the turn of the millenium, and it makes a lot of sense to give one of the best athletes he's ever recruited a shot at playing the position he played in high school.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 01:21:06 PM
I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett 3 learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L3 will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L3 is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L3 burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.


I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.

I just think that  L3 is going to need some time to learn the slot and can learn a lot from Sams.  OK, great that Sams isn't a true burner but maybe he can teach the true burner, Team Speedster  L3 and then we hand the keys to the rocket over to him once he's learned everything from Sams.  Sams will be on my All-Hands team and on my All-Route Runner team (First team). 
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on August 02, 2011, 01:39:34 PM
update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: kostakio on August 02, 2011, 01:53:26 PM
This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.    

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything.  
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on August 02, 2011, 02:02:40 PM
This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.    

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything.  


I don't believe anybody stated he would be an all-american.  I believe I said something to the effect it's more likely he'll be the next quincy morgan THAN the next Michael Bishop.  I didn't realize I said he would be the next Quincy Morgan.  If I did then I'm mistaken.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 02:07:38 PM
update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

this doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Sams is All-Hands team and All-Route Runner team 1A and Second Team All-Deep team.
L3 is Team Speedster Unanimous First Team Selection and All-Deep team *Captain (Freshman team), Honorable Mention All-Hands team and All Big 12 Burner.

Bryce- hmm  LOL I'm not even sure he exists on any team- yet.  Who's to say that he can't make it though, not me.  I would be shocked to see where Bryce lands on the teams once he has a chance to get up to speed with the B12.  

Would be shocked to see L3 not pan out to the next Q_Morgan.com
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Emo EMAW on August 02, 2011, 02:18:15 PM
Have we figured who's returning kicks yet?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on August 02, 2011, 02:29:36 PM
Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: DQ12 on August 02, 2011, 02:55:43 PM
Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.
Yeah, but as per usual, he muffed one or two punts, so Bill yanked him to put in the ultra low risk 2wise.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 03:03:47 PM
L3 most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: bigwilliestyle1407 on August 02, 2011, 06:21:21 PM
Well I suspect if Hubert isn't our number one come kickoff, he would be a solid choice to return kicks. He's explosive and has quick lateral movements IMO.

Plus from what I understand, Rose could be a stud. Anyone know if he could be a k/p return option?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on August 02, 2011, 06:33:10 PM
L3 most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on August 03, 2011, 12:02:24 AM
You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.


I think it's just as crazy to annoint the guy the next Quincy Morgan as it is to annoint the guy the next Micheal Bishop  He's a good looking athlete we'll see how it goes from there.   


oh really?  do you think it's easier to project or guess on future receivers or qbs sucess at the next level for either hs to college or college to pro?  If you say qb then this discussion is done.  And there is a reason programs like Miami and OU were coming after him as a non-QB skill player.  I think we may have been the only one 'cruitin for QB.  I wonder why that is because there are plenty of programs out there using the duelio-threat.

It's probably because those other programs don't have problems recruiting good qb's and don't need to take a risk on a kid who could step in and play wide receiver for them. LHC Bill Snyder, on the other hand, has not recruited a good quarterback since the turn of the millenium, and it makes a lot of sense to give one of the best athletes he's ever recruited a shot at playing the position he played in high school.

I would make exactly the same argument for Klein which would bring us back to square one.

I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett 3 learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L3 will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L3 is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L3 burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.


I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.

I just think that  L3 is going to need some time to learn the slot and can learn a lot from Sams.  OK, great that Sams isn't a true burner but maybe he can teach the true burner, Team Speedster  L3 and then we hand the keys to the rocket over to him once he's learned everything from Sams.  Sams will be on my All-Hands team and on my All-Route Runner team (First team). 

I could make the same argument about Lockett III teaching Sams to play CB but that would take us right back to square one.

This is in response to Manhatter My quote function is jumping around and driving me nuts so I didn't use it.   Sure it's easier to project a WR but it's not all that easy to project an all american at any position.   Especially since this kid has never even been a full time WR.  He's never really been a full time anything and I think OU liked him as a safety if I'm  not mistaken.     

He will get a shot at QB at some point in time and he will play there if he's the most capable QB we have on the roster.  We're simply not going to have our best QB playing WR it won't happen not with this team or any team.  But My main point was it is kind of silly to annoint any unproven newcomer some kind of world beater regardless of position.  He's a good athlete he had nice offers but not all those kids pan out.  There are a few can't miss kids like Dez Bryant or something but this kid is not one of those.   Let's get him in here and see what he can do before we earmark him anything. 


I don't believe anybody stated he would be an all-american.  I believe I said something to the effect it's more likely he'll be the next quincy morgan THAN the next Michael Bishop.  I didn't realize I said he would be the next Quincy Morgan.  If I did then I'm mistaken.

I think his problem was with your earmarking, not with any of your statements.

update:

bryce:  combo speedater 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
(or vice versa it doesn't matter both are good qb/rb/wr combo speedsters)
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

this doesn't even begin to make any sense.

Sams is All-Hands team and All-Route Runner team 1A and Second Team All-Deep team.
L3 is Team Speedster Unanimous First Team Selection and All-Deep team *Captain (Freshman team), Honorable Mention All-Hands team and All Big 12 Burner.

Bryce- hmm  LOL I'm not even sure he exists on any team- yet.  Who's to say that he can't make it though, not me.  I would be shocked to see where Bryce lands on the teams once he has a chance to get up to speed with the B12. 

Would be shocked to see L3 not pan out to the next Q_Morgan.com

Here's how I see it:

bryce:  combo speedster 1a
sams:  combo speedster 1b
reshirt team speedster: lockett III

Have we figured who's returning kicks yet?

If we knew that, we'd know the Team Speedster and this thread wouldn't exist.  Or were you just being ironic?

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.

:opcat:

Didn't Tremaine return kicks last year?  I know I don't want Tyyysyyyn returning any punts though.
Yeah, but as per usual, he muffed one or two punts, so Bill yanked him to put in the ultra low risk 2wise.

:opcat:

L3 most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.
Well I suspect if Hubert isn't our number one come kickoff, he would be a solid choice to return kicks. He's explosive and has quick lateral movements IMO.

Plus from what I understand, Rose could be a stud. Anyone know if he could be a k/p return option?
L3 most likely will be returning kicks.  this is a go emaw exclusive.  he's a burner.

If we knew that, we'd know the Team Speedster and this thread wouldn't exist.  Or were you just being ironic?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: The Manhatter on October 26, 2011, 12:12:13 PM
this Lockett kid seems to be working out well for us.

Team Speedster voters have to be impressed.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: EllToPay on October 26, 2011, 12:40:49 PM
this Lockett kid seems to be working out well for us.

Team Speedster voters have to be impressed.

don't ever leave us.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Cire on October 26, 2011, 01:09:52 PM
why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: slimz on October 26, 2011, 01:15:18 PM
why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

I noticed that on the replay. He had the angle initially, but I think the combo of a slight hesitation for the catch and thinking about what they were no doubt told before the play, "Go down in FG range if you think you might get caught," led him to go sideways and then go down.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: _33 on October 26, 2011, 01:17:38 PM
why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

He got an 18 on his ACT.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: pissclams on October 26, 2011, 02:03:47 PM
good grief.  it's like i have a crystal ball.  and yup folks, chum1 is stewed once again :lol:

update:
reshirt team speedster: lockett III
:jerk:

Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: chum1 on October 26, 2011, 02:11:42 PM
good luck when sean has no burner at his disposal in 2015 because someone didn't redshirt.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on October 26, 2011, 03:59:22 PM
That'll be the special teams coach's problem.  HCSS will have bigger fish to fry.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Paul Moscow on October 26, 2011, 05:16:27 PM
Totally Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), but whatever happened with Morgan Burns?
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: jtksu on October 26, 2011, 06:05:12 PM
Burns grey-shirted and is an  assistant coach at his high school.  He'll enroll at semester.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Stevesie60 on October 26, 2011, 06:43:47 PM
why didn't he run away from the defenders on the last catch before half?

I noticed that on the replay. He had the angle initially, but I think the combo of a slight hesitation for the catch and thinking about what they were no doubt told before the play, "Go down in FG range if you think you might get caught," led him to go sideways and then go down.

IIRC, Snyder even yelled at him for not going down earlier.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: 'taterblast on January 14, 2014, 09:57:27 AM
dudez killed it in track this spring.  I looked earlier in the season and didn't see anything on him.  He gets 3rd at 5A state in both the 100 and 200 (his 200 time would have won 6A and they faster in OK than KS)

he's a 10.7-10.8 100 guy.  Best legit 200 time of 21.79 and also had a 21.30 wind-aided in spring.

The good news is he's a LOT bigger than Aaron.  The other good news is he's a LOT faster than daddy.

http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404 (http://www.tulsaworld.com/sportsextra/highschool/article.aspx?subjectid=237&articleid=20110515_237_B11_CUTLIN330404)

I'm giddy over this...I didn't realize he was this fast.  He's pretty close to A. Lockett in that dept.

good call, 'hatter
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: kso_FAN on January 14, 2014, 10:10:07 AM
Fun thread to go back and reread.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: 'taterblast on January 14, 2014, 10:14:54 AM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.

haha
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Benja on January 14, 2014, 10:19:39 AM
'Hatter was nailing it for the most part in this thread.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: 'taterblast on January 14, 2014, 10:21:20 AM
'Hatter was nailing it for the most part in this thread.

yeah, great thread for 'hatter, mostly. even on the sams stuff, because it would have been fun to see sams at WR in '11/12.
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on January 14, 2014, 10:23:27 AM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D
:D
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Winters on January 14, 2014, 10:26:08 AM
FSN's Dave Lapham Keys to a Kansas State victory


1)Klein and Tyler need to "Lockett-up"

 :D
:D
amazing post
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: hemmy on January 14, 2014, 11:24:30 AM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.

haha

 :lol:
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: Benja on January 14, 2014, 11:53:41 AM
18 is a pretty good score. Gotta love the way whitey judges.

haha

 :lol:

Yeah that's really good
Title: Re: jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..
Post by: SkinnyBenny on January 15, 2014, 01:33:24 AM
 :lol: