jeebuz, this slipped past me...Lockett III might be our deep threat..

[Panjandrum]

You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho 

pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.

[TBL]

Lockett's senior highlight tape...watch how fast he gets downfield for the deep ball. 

Not necessarily my taste of music but whitey here postin' isn't making plays.

Please tell me we tried recruiting the very well tanned QB throwing him the deep darts. (#10)     

[The Manhatter]

You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho 

pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.

Klein can get him the ball.  People go overboard on Klein as a passer.  He's not going to be Tom Brady or Joe Montana...I get it, everybody gets it.  But I've seen a lot of athletic QBs with Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) looking throwing motions in the college game who were more than adequate passers.  It's not like the NFL where your margin of error and windows are so tight you need to be an extremely polished passer.  Sams was recruited as a non-QB skill player by Miami and OU...SEC schools were after him but he didn't even let them get in a phone conversation after they stopped recruiting him when he got suspended.  Those types of programs wanted him and we yearn for those types of players yet when we get one some in our fanbase don't want to use him in his first year or at that position at all?  Again, there are no guarantees he'll be that good of a QB.

And I would argue Snyder's done fine as a recruiter since the Clinton Administration...some of these guys just didn't turn out to be as good as was believed but some of that had to do w/ the dwindling talent surrounding him.  A guy like Jonathan Beasley would have looked a lot different without his OL, Shad Meier (NFL talent at TE), Quincy Morgan, and A. Lockett.  Besides, I see more upside in Bender as a QB than Sams.  I think he could be a quality passer whereas I'm not sure Sams will ever be anything but a dynamic "thrower".  

[steve dave]

dynamic thrower 

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

[michigancat]

Someone needs to shoot that fat eff waste of space in his fat face

First of all, cool it on the "fat face" stuff.  Some people on this site might take offense to that.

Second of all, Lapham is gold.

If you can't smile when Lapham is calling a game, you probably hate football and life.

[kostakio]

I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

Klein is likely to start the next two seasons at QB.   Do you want to sit Sams this year and next or would you like to get him on the field and use his athletic ablity at WR?  I can see the argument for redshirting him this year but I can't see the argument for not trying him at WR and at least getting him on the field in 2012. 

If he's one of our top 4 WR's then he needs to play this year at WR and see the field.  IF he's not in the top 4 this year then you redshirt him and let him practice at QB this fall and spring.  However, he still goes back to WR next fall assuming Klein is effective as our starter this season.   Then come the spring of 2012 he can compete for the starting QB job if he gets beat out by a younger guy like Bender then he's a WR from then on out.     

[Dugout DickStone]

You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

Pretty sure we're all good at WR tho 

pretty sure he's got better ball skillz of any of the returning receivers on the roster.  That and nobody could run the middle screen on the roster the way he can.  Look, I don't know if he'll ever be that good of a QB but I do think he can be a terrific receiver.  If he can make plays this year that help us win games then you use him.  Given the fact that in 7-on-7s this summer he is putting in work at both wide receiver and QB it seems apparent we have intentions of utilizing his gifts as a receiver.  I like the feeling of having a wide receiver on the field that actually has some versatile skills at that position which he does.

But it's pointless unless we can get a quarterback that can get him the ball, and you have to admit that LHC Bill Snyder has not been very good at recruiting quarterbacks since the Clinton administration.

Klein can get him the ball.  People go overboard on Klein as a passer.  He's not going to be Tom Brady or Joe Montana...I get it, everybody gets it.  But I've seen a lot of athletic QBs with respected looking throwing motions in the college game who were more than adequate passers.  It's not like the NFL where your margin of error and windows are so tight you need to be an extremely polished passer.  Sams was recruited as a non-QB skill player by Miami and OU...SEC schools were after him but he didn't even let them get in a phone conversation after they stopped recruiting him when he got suspended.  Those types of programs wanted him and we yearn for those types of players yet when we get one some in our fanbase don't want to use him in his first year or at that position at all?  Again, there are no guarantees he'll be that good of a QB.

And I would argue Snyder's done fine as a recruiter since the Clinton Administration...some of these guys just didn't turn out to be as good as was believed but some of that had to do w/ the dwindling talent surrounding him.  A guy like Jonathan Beasley would have looked a lot different without his OL, Shad Meier (NFL talent at TE), Quincy Morgan, and A. Lockett.  Besides, I see more upside in Bender as a QB than Sams.  I think he could be a quality passer whereas I'm not sure Sams will ever be anything but a dynamic "thrower".  

Klein may be able to make some throws but Snyds won't really let him.

[The Manhatter]

I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

did you notice i designated the word "passer" with Bender and "thrower" with Sams?  Therein lies the key to the point I was trying to get across.

There are throwers and there are passers.  Throwers can make big plays in the passing game but you're not exactly sure where the ball is going. 

[The Manhatter]

I'm assuming that everyone here realizes that if Sams redshirts then he'll be the scout team QB and does everyone here know what the scout team QB does during every week in practice?  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

If you want him as a starting QB in '12 (forget '11 because it's not going to happen) or at least in the mix in '12 then he'll have a few weeks, spring ball, and '12 fall camp to get ready.  A scout team QB spends no time in the KSU offensive playbook other than on their free time but that is usually occupied by learning the playbook of the opponent for the scout team look.  The scout team QB is the QB for our next opponent.  If he doesn't redshirt and he's playing wide receiver then he's learning our passing game, our line calls, our audibles, everything and anything.  He's also probably getting reps as a QB for our offense, not the opponents' offense.

It's your choice.  If he redshirts then he goes on Rudy duty for the next 4 months. If he doesn't then he's in our playbook and offense for the next 4 months both in practice and games.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I think Sams will be a pretty good runner at the quarterback position. If he is also a dynamic thrower, then why would we want him to play anywhere else?

did you notice i designated the word "passer" with Bender and "thrower" with Sams?  Therein lies the key to the point I was trying to get across.

There are throwers and there are passers.  Throwers can make big plays in the passing game but you're not exactly sure where the ball is going. 

If he can throw the ball deep enough, Lockett will be able to run and get it. Opposing defenses will have to bring up a safety to stop his dynamic run game.

[Rage Against the McKee]

I'm assuming that everyone here realizes that if Sams redshirts then he'll be the scout team QB and does everyone here know what the scout team QB does during every week in practice?  I just want to make sure we're all on the same page.

If you want him as a starting QB in '12 (forget '11 because it's not going to happen) or at least in the mix in '12 then he'll have a few weeks, spring ball, and '12 fall camp to get ready.  A scout team QB spends no time in the KSU offensive playbook other than on their free time but that is usually occupied by learning the playbook of the opponent for the scout team look.  The scout team QB is the QB for our next opponent.  If he doesn't redshirt and he's playing wide receiver then he's learning our passing game, our line calls, our audibles, everything and anything.  He's also probably getting reps as a QB for our offense, not the opponents' offense.

It's your choice.  If he redshirts then he goes on Rudy duty for the next 4 months. If he doesn't then he's in our playbook and offense for the next 4 months both in practice and games.

It's not my choice. If it were up to me, Sams wouldn't redshirt and he would just start at QB from day one. Snyder isn't going to do that, so redshirting is the best option available.

[stunted]

You know, tons of really good athletes played QB in high school.  Hell, lots of them even had success at that position.  Sams wasn't even good enough to be the fulltime QB in high school.  Why take a great athlete and waste him on the bench, just so he stays a QB?  We do have Bender coming in next year and playing WR would help Sams learn the routes anyway.  Klein sure played and practiced at both spots.  If Sams is better than Bender, start him next year.  If he's not, let him practice both spots but put him in at WR during games.

His team had another QB that was recruited to play at a lower division college.  Makes sense to have both of them on the field.

[chum1]

you can't have a roster with both lockett and sams listed as the redshirt team speedster.  you must choose one.

[FranklyFrankYou]

Lockett ³  won't be redshirting.  Some of  you guys need to get a clue.  He's moved up my All-Deep team since overnight and has worked his way onto my Honorable Mention Team Speedster list.

There was an article on GPC around the time he committed that quoted Mr Lockett as saying he wanted to redshirt so he could hit the weights and learn the playbook. That could've changed but I will go ahead and take his original word on it.

[The Manhatter]

Lockett ³  won't be redshirting.  Some of  you guys need to get a clue.  He's moved up my All-Deep team since overnight and has worked his way onto my Honorable Mention Team Speedster list.

There was an article on GPC around the time he committed that quoted Mr Lockett as saying he wanted to redshirt so he could hit the weights and learn the playbook. That could've changed but I will go ahead and take his original word on it.

around the time he committed he said that...that was a long time ago.  I've seen several things including the track article I posted where he is quoted as saying he's going in competing to play this year.  If he does redshirt then that's fine but he is no longer asking to redshirt.  That line of thought was short lived on his part.  He wants to play this year he's just not going to pout if he doesn't.

[felix rex]

dynamic thrower 

Yeah. This phrase also had the opposite of the intended effect on me. Irresponsibly leaning back towards #startsams

[Boom Roasted]

Wouldn't suprise me if both of them redshirted this year and played the parts of Weeden and Blackmon ripping up our defense in practice

[jtksu]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

[pissclams]

I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett ³ learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L³ will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L³ is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L³ burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.

[The Manhatter]

You guys are all frickin nuts for annointing Sams as the next big thing before he's ever even seen the D1 field.   

exactly.  I think it's far more likely he's the next quincy morgan than michael bishop.  but this fanbase is so locked into getting another bishop it almost doesn't make sense to try and reason.  We had a higher scoring offense than Mizzou last year with Carson freaking Coffman.  We don't need Bishop but we do need players around our QB.  We don't need an electrifying playmaker at QB to have a solid football team.  Collin Klein is more than enough to have a quality football team.  What we need is an OL that develops, Bryce to be a player, and a defense.

[The Manhatter]

I'd put Sams in the slot and let his speed open up the middle.  He's a burner, for sure.  Let Lockett ³ learn the slot as 2nd string Team Speedster but don't redshirt him unless, like Manhatter says, he asks to be redshirted.  Otherwise he needs to be running routes as this team's anointed Team Speedster in training.  L³ will be All-Deep team Freshman year, and 2nd string Team Speedster.  Give Sams the reigns and let him burn/all-deep as well, no reason not to.  Rumblings that L³ is getting votes for All-Hands as well.


Also love how all the people bitching about  Tate Snyder not walking on and burning a 'ship don't have anything to say about  L³ burning a 'ship and not walking on.   Believe me, Kevin has more money than a Brink's truck.

I hate to break it to people but Sams isn't a burner.  He's more of a 4.55 type guy.  But what he does have is athleticism...he's got some burst and change of direction...and he's got excellent body control and ball skills.  But he's not a guy who is going to stretch the field on a fly pattern.  That doesn't mean he can't be an excellent receiver...he's actually got the traits I'd rather him have than straightline speed although that would be even more of a bonus.  Amongst the receivers Lockett will clearly be our fastest kid down the field.  Harper runs a lot better than some people here realize, though.

[Pete]

I am on team Hatter.


You take blow torches to red shirts on playmakers.   Red shirts are for beef.

Playing Kevin as a Frosh got us the tie in the CU game, and Canty as a Frosh was also huge.  We were not loaded then, just loading

[The Manhatter]

I am on team Hatter.

Are we shirts or skins?  If we're skins i don't want any outta shape bitches.

[jtksu]

Seems like Snyds has been more open to playing freshmen this go around.  If Lockett is a similar talent to Tremaine was his freshmen season, he'll be playing.  The only thing that would get him 'shirted would be the fact that we already have a burner with great open field moves.  So, unless Lockett is better than current Tremaine, he may benefit from redshirting.  And not every redshirt is wasted on the scout team.  Alot of the guys who redshirt still practice with the 2's because they may need to burn the shirt at some point, whether due to injury, ineffectiveness, or their own production on the practice field.